(07-10-2019 05:20 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Art Glass Movement founded at Toledo Museum of Art, sadly in the current metals studio slated for destruction.

That was very disappointing.

My instinct is to side with the artists. I don't know what credance to put into the arguments made by the Admin but it's clear, someone of influence wants to build something and by God they're going to build it, regardless the facts presented are actually facts or are made up.

It could very well be like I'm stating with the city's reputation in glass. Whether that was the actual building in which the Movement was founded might have some "because someone said so" in it. I think it's sad that it was that school to the South that conferred the PhD on Labino and that UT never did. Probably the same with his protege O'Brien (whose art I'm looking at right now).

(07-10-2019 04:32 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 06:32 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  Yea, I guess we can just forget about Libbey-Owens-Ford, Owens-Illinois, Owens-Corning, Pilkington, Libbey Glass...

Not if you don't want to. Most of them are foreign owned and have been for many decades, do not have a glass making presence and an ever decreasing Administrative and research presence in Toledo so for ME, it's a misnomer.

But this thread is about UToledo branding, not Toledo branding.

Still do not see what connection you're making to UToledo. Location? That's it? It's as specious an association for the University as FROGS or Speedway. But if you like, it doesn't bother me at all. Why are you so bothered that I don't like it? Seems childish.

(07-09-2019 06:05 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 09:07 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  Toledo area has never been the major glass producer, let alone Toledo itself. There's very little glass in the city beyond imaginings and promotions.
The "Glass Museum" is made of glass from China.
The "Glass Bowl" isn't made of fragile glass, it's made of strong stone.
By your logic, they should put a frog on the uniforms. That also was a big Toledo promotion and branding.


As for "universally fans favorite" I missed that poll, where is it? I don't recall any jerseys for sale with that moniker, what were their sales numbers? What basis at all is there for that statement?

"Glass City" is too easily memed to "Ass City" and it will be.

Toledo citizens universally (see how easy this is) do not think of "glass" when it comes to Toledo other than follow the leader. No one says, "Come to Toledo, go take a tour of the glass plant."

University of Toledo has a brand, a brand much better than the city's, it's called "The University of Toledo." There's only one of those. UToledo sports teams have a brand, it's called "Rockets." There's only one of those in major college sports.

So sure, change all that to follow fakery.

UToledo wouldn't show wisdom to join a fast rolling downhill brand, let alone one that implies fragility.

Dude, I am sure you have some pedantic definition in your head that you can only be called the "glass city" if you meet some special criteria that only you know about.
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Dude, (lol, how old are you?) I dont really give a f what the city claims. This thread is about UToledo. I simply posted an opinion, nothing for you to get upset about, dude.

I do not see anything to be gained and more to be lost by taking up someone elses (with low reputation at that) branding when the one UToledo already has, is better. OP gave the opinion that simpler was better. I agree and it's NOT anything to do with glass.

People have an over inflated view of exactly what was and what was not accomplished in the city regarding glass, simply because John Block declared it the "glass city" in order to satisfy some business buddies and jumped on the band wagon. If he'd called it "Frog City" or "Speedway," or "duh'blade city" that would be the city's logo.

Everything I posted about the city and its limited relation to the glass industry and how the city came to be known as "Glass City" was taken from sources. If you call facts "pedantic" fine. If those facts do not line up with your desires and you choose them not important, fine. :shrug:

As I recall, it was actually Pittsburgh that was the "glass capital." at the time of the declaration. Seriously, you want to place the strength of your argument on a couple busses to the the Libbey outlet store? Fine, your choice.

I prefer the University's branding to have some meaning and individuality. If you don't, fine. Honestly, you having a different opinion doesn't both me. I honestly cannot figure out why my preference should have you so bothered. But I also don't care, I posted this irony for your own reflection, or not.

So you were the one that brought up the whole "Toledo isn't the Glass City" thing, and once you are proven wrong, you say, "Let's get back to the original point of this thread." LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

(07-10-2019 06:18 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 04:32 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 06:32 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  Yea, I guess we can just forget about Libbey-Owens-Ford, Owens-Illinois, Owens-Corning, Pilkington, Libbey Glass...

Not if you don't want to. Most of them are foreign owned and have been for many decades, do not have a glass making presence and an ever decreasing Administrative and research presence in Toledo so for ME, it's a misnomer.

But this thread is about UToledo branding, not Toledo branding.

Still do not see what connection you're making to UToledo. Location? That's it? It's as specious an association for the University as FROGS or Speedway. But if you like, it doesn't bother me at all. Why are you so bothered that I don't like it? Seems childish.

So you were the one that brought up the whole "Toledo isn't the Glass City" thing, and once you are proven wrong, you say, "Let's get back to the original point of this thread." LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Except that I wasn't "proven" ( do you even know what the word means?) wrong. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I presented facts, none of which you refuted. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I stated clearly that we did have the moniker "Glass City," I stated how it came about (Block) and how it didn't come about (not the major producer of glass ever and a very small footprint today). None of which you refuted. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

And you haven't manned up as to why you're so butt hurt that another person prefers UToledo's brands and traditions to the city's and sees no value to the University in watering down theirs for the other. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Keeping the syllables few so that you can follow, if someone wants to call Toledo "Glass City," that's their perogative, it doesn't bother me. Same if they prefer Frog City. Toad City, Swamp City. Pot Hole City. Whatever they prefer. I prefer UT stick to it's own branding. Is that really difficult for you to comprehend? It's all I've stated all along.

Our University is named after the city correct? Therefore a nickname the city as earned has rightfully been connected to the University. That's common with every University named after a city... Usually how they get their mascot?? City related.
That's like a Catholic university being named after a saint then being annoyed the Universities guidelines and laws match up with the saint it is named after.. Why wouldn't it?

(07-10-2019 06:48 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 06:18 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 04:32 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(07-09-2019 06:32 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  Yea, I guess we can just forget about Libbey-Owens-Ford, Owens-Illinois, Owens-Corning, Pilkington, Libbey Glass...

Not if you don't want to. Most of them are foreign owned and have been for many decades, do not have a glass making presence and an ever decreasing Administrative and research presence in Toledo so for ME, it's a misnomer.

But this thread is about UToledo branding, not Toledo branding.

Still do not see what connection you're making to UToledo. Location? That's it? It's as specious an association for the University as FROGS or Speedway. But if you like, it doesn't bother me at all. Why are you so bothered that I don't like it? Seems childish.

So you were the one that brought up the whole "Toledo isn't the Glass City" thing, and once you are proven wrong, you say, "Let's get back to the original point of this thread." LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Keeping the syllables few so that you can follow, if someone wants to call Toledo "Glass City," that's their perogative, it doesn't bother me. Same if they prefer Frog City. Toad City, Swamp City. Pot Hole City. Whatever they prefer. I prefer UT stick to it's own branding. Is that really difficult for you to comprehend? It's all I've stated all along.

No you've stated that it's fake news, Toledo calls itself the Glass City... In a retaliation that lots of people like the Glass City nickname and jersyes we've worn.
Post a poll on any social media. What is Toledo known for??
Post 50 options the #1 and #2 will be Glass and the University. Sure you may get Frogs, Jeep and vulgar things from a BGSUcks fan. The city has an overwhelmingly known nickname around these parts. It's Glass City. So much so that our fricking stadium is called the Glass BOWL! We havent embraced it sporaticaly for fake reasons... It's because Glass has a place in Toledo. Toledo is the city our University is located in...

(07-10-2019 08:11 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  1: No you've stated that it's fake news, Toledo calls itself the Glass City... In a retaliation that lots of people like the Glass City nickname and jersyes we've worn.
2: Post a poll on any social media. What is Toledo known for??
Post 50 options the #1 and #2 will be Glass and the University.

3: The city has an overwhelmingly known nickname around these parts. It's Glass City.

4: So much so that our fricking stadium is called the Glass BOWL! We havent embraced it sporaticaly for fake reasons... It's because Glass has a place in Toledo. Toledo is the city our University is located in...

Do you work for the University or for the city?

1: retaliation for what? If you're going to accuse, you should do it honestly no? I simply presented historical facts as to how the city was given that nickname, as well other nicknames. I have no opinion or disrespect for those IN THE CITY that want to call this the "Glass City," fragile in so many ways as that is.

2: You already claimed that nickname on the uniforms most popular. I asked for the source of that information. And now you are implying that it doesn't exist and I must make my own poll? "Fake news."

3: None of which has been denied. In fact, I affirmed. I simply posted what facts I found as to the origin of that nickname. Why are you so woke?

4: Again, causality. Look it up. It was called University Stadium. "Someone" WANTED it to be called "Glass Bowl." It was a manufactured situation. Nothing wrong with that unless you cannot accept facts. It has nothing to do with "glass." The University is not particularly known for "glass" or "glass research" (which is a shame really) and as I posted, the most famous glass artist the city has produced, had the honorary from BGSU, not UT.

Most importantly and the purpose of this and previous threads isn't the city, it's the University and the point I (and others), are making is that we, the UNIVERSITY has a branding. Focus on that is the better plan to success.

Focus on the city and the University goes as the city goes. The University gives up control of their own branding. "Glass City" makes bad national news and that reflects on the University. The University is already subject that they share a name, it's not wise to add to it.

I've nothing against the city but it is a bad plan for the University to adopt the city's branding. Over the years, I've argued long and hard on these boards (usually standing alone) that the University needs to show more involvement in the city, be more inviting to the residents and participate more common with the residents so I did not make this decision lightly. Branding is a different matter, particularly as I've argued, I feel that city branding is specious and a misnomer, popular or not, while the University's already established brand of the U-Hall Tower and the Rockets is unique and much-much better.

You became butt-hurt because the facts I had looked up (the origins of the nickname and the city's inflated view of it's role in the industry) and my opinion were not in-line with yours. You even had the childishness to "down-vote" me because I was "not with it," "it" being YOUR desire that the University adapt the "Glass City" nickname. No part of you feels silly for that?

(07-11-2019 07:26 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  4: Again, causality. Look it up. It was called University Stadium. "Someone" WANTED it to be called "Glass Bowl." It was a manufactured situation. Nothing wrong with that unless you cannot accept facts. It has nothing to do with "glass." The University is not particularly known for "glass" or "glass research" (which is a shame really) and as I posted, the most famous glass artist the city has produced, had the honorary from BGSU, not UT.

"In 1946, Wayne Kohn, a Libbey-Owens Ford engineer, conceived of the idea of using glass to rebuild the stadium. Glass blocks were installed throughout the stadium and a glass electric scoreboard was built in the south end zone. A new two-tier press box of blue vitrolite and glass blocks was also constructed."
https://utrockets.com/sports/2015/6/22/t...sbowl.aspx

(07-11-2019 07:26 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  Focus on the city and the University goes as the city goes. The University gives up control of their own branding. "Glass City" makes bad national news and that reflects on the University. The University is already subject that they share a name, it's not wise to add to it.

What????

(07-11-2019 07:03 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 07:26 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  4: Again, causality. Look it up. It was called University Stadium. "Someone" WANTED it to be called "Glass Bowl." It was a manufactured situation. Nothing wrong with that unless you cannot accept facts. It has nothing to do with "glass." The University is not particularly known for "glass" or "glass research" (which is a shame really) and as I posted, the most famous glass artist the city has produced, had the honorary from BGSU, not UT.

"In 1946, Wayne Kohn, a Libbey-Owens Ford engineer, conceived of the idea of using glass to rebuild the stadium. Glass blocks were installed throughout the stadium and a glass electric scoreboard was built in the south end zone. A new two-tier press box of blue vitrolite and glass blocks was also constructed."
https://utrockets.com/sports/2015/6/22/t...sbowl.aspx

Thank you but

here is the correct quote:

Quote:While employed at LOF, Mr. Kohn conceived the idea of naming the University of Toledo Football Stadium “The Glass Bowl” as a civic enterprise.

(07-11-2019 07:03 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 07:26 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  4: Again, causality. Look it up. It was called University Stadium. "Someone" WANTED it to be called "Glass Bowl." It was a manufactured situation. Nothing wrong with that unless you cannot accept facts. It has nothing to do with "glass." The University is not particularly known for "glass" or "glass research" (which is a shame really) and as I posted, the most famous glass artist the city has produced, had the honorary from BGSU, not UT.

"In 1946, Wayne Kohn, a Libbey-Owens Ford engineer, conceived of the idea of using glass to rebuild the stadium. Glass blocks were installed throughout the stadium and a glass electric scoreboard was built in the south end zone. A new two-tier press box of blue vitrolite and glass blocks was also constructed."
https://utrockets.com/sports/2015/6/22/t...sbowl.aspx

(07-11-2019 07:26 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  Focus on the city and the University goes as the city goes. The University gives up control of their own branding. "Glass City" makes bad national news and that reflects on the University. The University is already subject that they share a name, it's not wise to add to it.

What????

Loved that old glass block scoreboard. Nothing else like it anywhere. We gave up a lot of the Glass Bowl character over the years.

(07-11-2019 07:38 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 07:03 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 07:26 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  4: Again, causality. Look it up. It was called University Stadium. "Someone" WANTED it to be called "Glass Bowl." It was a manufactured situation. Nothing wrong with that unless you cannot accept facts. It has nothing to do with "glass." The University is not particularly known for "glass" or "glass research" (which is a shame really) and as I posted, the most famous glass artist the city has produced, had the honorary from BGSU, not UT.

"In 1946, Wayne Kohn, a Libbey-Owens Ford engineer, conceived of the idea of using glass to rebuild the stadium. Glass blocks were installed throughout the stadium and a glass electric scoreboard was built in the south end zone. A new two-tier press box of blue vitrolite and glass blocks was also constructed."
https://utrockets.com/sports/2015/6/22/t...sbowl.aspx

Loved that old glass block scoreboard. Nothing else like it anywhere. We gave up a lot of the Glass Bowl character over the years.

They can rename it the LED Bowl? GB still has more character than 90% of the stadiums out there.

Correct Quote:
While employed at LOF, Mr. Kohn conceived the idea of naming the University of Toledo Football Stadium “The Glass Bowl” as a civic enterprise.

(07-11-2019 07:25 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 07:03 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 07:26 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  4: Again, causality. Look it up. It was called University Stadium. "Someone" WANTED it to be called "Glass Bowl." It was a manufactured situation. Nothing wrong with that unless you cannot accept facts. It has nothing to do with "glass." The University is not particularly known for "glass" or "glass research" (which is a shame really) and as I posted, the most famous glass artist the city has produced, had the honorary from BGSU, not UT.

"In 1946, Wayne Kohn, a Libbey-Owens Ford engineer, conceived of the idea of using glass to rebuild the stadium. Glass blocks were installed throughout the stadium and a glass electric scoreboard was built in the south end zone. A new two-tier press box of blue vitrolite and glass blocks was also constructed."
https://utrockets.com/sports/2015/6/22/t...sbowl.aspx

Thank you but

here is the correct quote:

Quote:While employed at LOF, Mr. Kohn conceived the idea of naming the University of Toledo Football Stadium “The Glass Bowl” as a civic enterprise.

ok??? And it was rebuilt with glass incorporated because of the glass industry in Toledo.

And you still haven't addressed the BS claim that ""Glass City" makes bad national news and that reflects on the University"


And some more facts for you:
"Approximately one of every two glass containers made worldwide is made by Owens-Illinois, its affiliates, or its licensees.

Read more: https://www.referenceforbusiness.com/his...z5tQXmc07L"

(07-11-2019 09:39 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 07:25 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 07:03 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 07:26 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  4: Again, causality. Look it up. It was called University Stadium. "Someone" WANTED it to be called "Glass Bowl." It was a manufactured situation. Nothing wrong with that unless you cannot accept facts. It has nothing to do with "glass." The University is not particularly known for "glass" or "glass research" (which is a shame really) and as I posted, the most famous glass artist the city has produced, had the honorary from BGSU, not UT.

"In 1946, Wayne Kohn, a Libbey-Owens Ford engineer, conceived of the idea of using glass to rebuild the stadium. Glass blocks were installed throughout the stadium and a glass electric scoreboard was built in the south end zone. A new two-tier press box of blue vitrolite and glass blocks was also constructed."
https://utrockets.com/sports/2015/6/22/t...sbowl.aspx

Thank you but

here is the correct quote:

Quote:While employed at LOF, Mr. Kohn conceived the idea of naming the University of Toledo Football Stadium “The Glass Bowl” as a civic enterprise.

1: ok??? And it was rebuilt with glass incorporated because of the glass industry in Toledo.

2: And you still haven't addressed the BS claim that ""Glass City" makes bad national news and that reflects on the University"


3: And some more facts for you:
"Approximately one of every two glass containers made worldwide is made by Owens-Illinois, its affiliates, or its licensees.

Do you work for the University or for the City?

I'll repeat for you. I'm only making argument as to why the University of Toledo should stick to it's own brand, Toledo Rockets because it is unique in the college football world. It has value. It doesn't need be watered down. I'm NOT making argument against how the city chooses to brand, misnomer and specious or not.

1: Causality, look it up. You challenged my contention that "Someone" WANTED it to be called "Glass Bowl" using a deceitful quote. I provided the correct quote that shows clearly the desire to call it the "Glass Bowl" PRECEDED (look it up) the (minimal) use of glass in the remanufacturing of the stadium. If someone had wanted to call it the "Scale" bowl or the "Iron Bowl" or "The Mud Mound" bowl it could just as well have been. Call it an early sponsorship deal but call it what it honestly was, a "manufactured" name. Fact.

A college decreed person shouldn't need be led by the nose through causal relationships. The correct quote should have satified you that you were misinformed and been enough for you to let it rest.

2: That's not a "claim." That's a description of a factual relationship. Again, a college degreed person should not have to be led by the nose to understand that. Admittedly not my strongest argument against why it is not in the University's best interest to water down their brand by including that of another (Since Toledo is also part of the University's name) but regardless the strength, it is a legitimate argument (look those up). if you do that, the University makes itself subject to the reputation of that branding as much as their own. And as I pointed out, "Glass City" is not unique to Toledo. Toledo was NEVER the major glass producer, many places have claim to glass innovation and it is Bowling Green that honored the most famous local artist, not Toledo or UToledo. But if Toledo wants to go with it because Block said so, that's their choosing. I'm arguing only against the University riding that wagon.

3: I already addressed that in an earlier post on the subject. OI is headquartered in Perrysburg, not Toledo. Most of what you are calling "Toledo" glass, is not. Most of it is not even domestically headquartered. I'm not sure if Perrysburg has a motto for UToledo to put on their helmuts. I believe Japan, Germany and UK do so maybe if UToledo wants to associate with "glass" you might prefer UToledo puts their branding on the uniforms?

Ranger: is there any way you can speed up your countdown to end the offseason sooner?

(07-12-2019 09:24 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Ranger: is there any way you can speed up your countdown to end the offseason sooner?

You've done your share to keep the thread ALIVE!!!! My posts have been on topic and simply responded when quoted or referred to.

I've a feeling the paid to post crowd will keep going until they feel they've shouted me down.

Say "no" to "glass city." GO ROCKETS!!!

I don't like the Glass City thing either to tell you the truth. By doing so we are trying to hang on to the past and not looking out to the future. The only real glass manufacturer left in Toledo is Libbey and they are doing terrible.

Agree we are the Toledo ROCKETS and need to focus on our unique nickname, not glass. Having a partnership with Jeep would make a lot more sense to me as that product is more relevant and contemporary than hanging on to an industry that has largely abandoned Toledo. Today, "Jeep City" makes a whole lot more sense for the city of Toledo than does "Glass City". Growing the new Jeep Fest into an annual and expanding event would be a good thing for the city to get aligned with. Now that we are traveling in our Unicat full time (along with our Jeep Wrangler) I can tell you that Jeeps are everywhere and in significant numbers.

IMO some of the crap that Campbell allowed on the helmets changing it nearly every week (e.g., an outline of the state of Ohio) were totally bush league. Totally destroyed and diluted our Toledo Rocket identity and brand. Unfortunately some of that has carried over with the Candle era. Makes no sense to me why the logo with the Rocket and Toledo seems to have been abandoned for just the Rocket.

We had some cool jersey fonts that seemed more space/rocket-related with Underarmor. Those seemed to have died out for what ever lame uniform stuff Nike has come up with. I liked the "ATTACK" sticker on the front of the helmets that Coach Amstutz used, as opposed to the current "Glass City" sticker.

We could do much better sticking with the uniqueness of the Toledo Rockets nickname.

(07-12-2019 03:26 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  Do you work for the University or for the City?

I'll repeat for you. I'm only making argument as to why the University of Toledo should stick to it's own brand, Toledo Rockets because it is unique in the college football world. It has value. It doesn't need be watered down. I'm NOT making argument against how the city chooses to brand, misnomer and specious or not.

So you initially stared by saying TOLEDO isn't the Glass City. Now you're changing your argument to 'UT shouldn't associate with "Glass City" ' nickname.

(07-12-2019 03:26 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  1: Causality, look it up. You challenged my contention that "Someone" WANTED it to be called "Glass Bowl" using a deceitful quote. I provided the correct quote that shows clearly the desire to call it the "Glass Bowl" PRECEDED (look it up) the (minimal) use of glass in the remanufacturing of the stadium. If someone had wanted to call it the "Scale" bowl or the "Iron Bowl" or "The Mud Mound" bowl it could just as well have been. Call it an early sponsorship deal but call it what it honestly was, a "manufactured" name. Fact.

And they wanted GLASS because of the glass background in the city.

(07-12-2019 03:26 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  2: That's not a "claim." That's a description of a factual relationship. Again, a college degreed person should not have to be led by the nose to understand that. Admittedly not my strongest argument against why it is not in the University's best interest to water down their brand by including that of another (Since Toledo is also part of the University's name) but regardless the strength, it is a legitimate argument (look those up). if you do that, the University makes itself subject to the reputation of that branding as much as their own. And as I pointed out, "Glass City" is not unique to Toledo. Toledo was NEVER the major glass producer, many places have claim to glass innovation and it is Bowling Green that honored the most famous local artist, not Toledo or UToledo. But if Toledo wants to go with it because Block said so, that's their choosing. I'm arguing only against the University riding that wagon.

You still have shown no factual evidence that " "Glass City" makes bad national news." I don't think I have ever seen "Glass City" be the reason for "bad national news."

(07-12-2019 03:26 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  3: I already addressed that in an earlier post on the subject. OI is headquartered in Perrysburg, not Toledo. Most of what you are calling "Toledo" glass, is not. Most of it is not even domestically headquartered. I'm not sure if Perrysburg has a motto for UToledo to put on their helmuts. I believe Japan, Germany and UK do so maybe if UToledo wants to associate with "glass" you might prefer UToledo puts their branding on the uniforms?

From what I can see, OI was based in Toledo from it's inception in 1929 to 2006. Although they are not currently in Toledo, their history is in Toledo.

Face it, TOLEDO is called the Glass City for a legitimate and good reason. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's wrong. Now go crawl back under your bridge on the east side.