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RE: USWNT actually OVERPAID
(07-10-2019 09:59 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(07-10-2019 10:57 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 03:15 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  How do they think US Soccer is paid?!! By our government... no, it's by FIFA and that is based on how much many FIFA makes.

Can you imagine how successful the men's team would be if it didn't have to compete with the NFL, NBA, MLB for top athletes. Would we actually lose a World Cup if the US had soccer as its primary sport?

This lawsuit and more specifically the players complete lack of understand and failure to show true patriotism are sickening.

the only money the players get from FIFA is World Cup prize money every 4 years. The players pay the rest of the time comes directly from US Soccer. US Soccer gets its revenue as follows:

In 2018, Sponsorships were 52 million, National team game revenues were 25 million, International game revenues were 5 million and then roughly another 10 million in assorted areas(US Open Cup, Coaching Courses, Olympic committee, etc).

In 2017, US Soccer made a ton more money (290 million) because of the Copa America Centenario(basically from South American teams playing competitive games in the US)

None of that comes from FIFA at all.

Currently, US Soccer pays the men's and women's teams in the following way:

US Men
Currently get paid $13,166 per US game when they are called up to the team whether they win, lose or draw.

US Women
Currently get paid around $5k per game but only if they play and only if they win the game. On top of that, select players(around 20) get paid extra yearly salary that tops out at $99k a year.

So compare Rose Lavelle and Gyazi Zardes so far in 2019.

Rose Lavelle was the Bronze Ball winner and one of the USWNT most important players.

Gyasi Zardez is an awful soccer player with a worse haircut that is consistently played by an awful manager at both club and country

Lavelle is not currently making the maximum $100k salary from US Soccer(newer to the program). She has played 16 games this year but they only won 13 games. So she earned $65k for these games.(Not including tournament Prize money).

So from US Soccer she averages $6500 a game this year.

Gyasi Zardes has played 11 games for the US this year and made 144k this year before prize money.

He averages $13k a game for decidedly worse and less popular product.

Outside of WC years, the USWNT draws about 30% of the USMNT in attendance.

In the US the MLS averages right at 20,000 per game. NWSL draws around 6,000.

NWSL record attendance for match 23,403. MLS record attendance 73,109.

MLS has nothing to do with US Soccer. Its a separate entity and has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Other than the US Open Cup it provides no direct money to US Soccer.

In 2018(a non WC year for the women) the US Men drew the following for non-FIFA matches:

1/28/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Bosnia & Herzegovina – StubHub Center – 11,161
3/27/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Paraguay – WakeMed Soccer Park – 9,825
5/28/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Bolivia – Talen Energy Stadium – 11,882
9/7/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Brazil – MetLife Stadium – 32,489
9/11/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Mexico – Nissan Stadium – 40,194
10/11/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Colombia – Raymond James Stadium – 38,631
10/16/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Peru – Pratt & Whitney Stadium – 24,959

• Total Attendance: 169,141
• Average Attendance: 24,163

Look at those games, especially the higher attended games(Brazil, Mexico, Colombia, Peru)? Tell me what the opponents all have in common.

Now look at the lower attended games(Bosnia, Paraguay, Bolivia). What do they have in common?

Anyone who actually watches a US Men's Soccer game against a Mexico, Brazil, etc knows that 75% or more of the crowd is opposition fans. The US is just there as a foil.

If you want proof, look for a replay of the Gold Cup final in Chicago last Sunday.


For the same time period, the US Women drew about 17k a game for non-FIFA games without the added benefit of Brazil and Mexico propping up their figures.
07-11-2019 08:00 AM
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RE: USWNT actually OVERPAID
What is the argument against paying the same formula (from US Soccer) for both men and women?

Seems like an easy fix.
07-11-2019 10:00 AM
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RE: USWNT actually OVERPAID
(07-11-2019 08:00 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(07-10-2019 09:59 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(07-10-2019 10:57 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 03:15 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  How do they think US Soccer is paid?!! By our government... no, it's by FIFA and that is based on how much many FIFA makes.

Can you imagine how successful the men's team would be if it didn't have to compete with the NFL, NBA, MLB for top athletes. Would we actually lose a World Cup if the US had soccer as its primary sport?

This lawsuit and more specifically the players complete lack of understand and failure to show true patriotism are sickening.

the only money the players get from FIFA is World Cup prize money every 4 years. The players pay the rest of the time comes directly from US Soccer. US Soccer gets its revenue as follows:

In 2018, Sponsorships were 52 million, National team game revenues were 25 million, International game revenues were 5 million and then roughly another 10 million in assorted areas(US Open Cup, Coaching Courses, Olympic committee, etc).

In 2017, US Soccer made a ton more money (290 million) because of the Copa America Centenario(basically from South American teams playing competitive games in the US)

None of that comes from FIFA at all.

Currently, US Soccer pays the men's and women's teams in the following way:

US Men
Currently get paid $13,166 per US game when they are called up to the team whether they win, lose or draw.

US Women
Currently get paid around $5k per game but only if they play and only if they win the game. On top of that, select players(around 20) get paid extra yearly salary that tops out at $99k a year.

So compare Rose Lavelle and Gyazi Zardes so far in 2019.

Rose Lavelle was the Bronze Ball winner and one of the USWNT most important players.

Gyasi Zardez is an awful soccer player with a worse haircut that is consistently played by an awful manager at both club and country

Lavelle is not currently making the maximum $100k salary from US Soccer(newer to the program). She has played 16 games this year but they only won 13 games. So she earned $65k for these games.(Not including tournament Prize money).

So from US Soccer she averages $6500 a game this year.

Gyasi Zardes has played 11 games for the US this year and made 144k this year before prize money.

He averages $13k a game for decidedly worse and less popular product.

Outside of WC years, the USWNT draws about 30% of the USMNT in attendance.

In the US the MLS averages right at 20,000 per game. NWSL draws around 6,000.

NWSL record attendance for match 23,403. MLS record attendance 73,109.

MLS has nothing to do with US Soccer. Its a separate entity and has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Other than the US Open Cup it provides no direct money to US Soccer.

In 2018(a non WC year for the women) the US Men drew the following for non-FIFA matches:

1/28/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Bosnia & Herzegovina – StubHub Center – 11,161
3/27/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Paraguay – WakeMed Soccer Park – 9,825
5/28/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Bolivia – Talen Energy Stadium – 11,882
9/7/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Brazil – MetLife Stadium – 32,489
9/11/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Mexico – Nissan Stadium – 40,194
10/11/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Colombia – Raymond James Stadium – 38,631
10/16/18 – Friendly – USA vs. Peru – Pratt & Whitney Stadium – 24,959

• Total Attendance: 169,141
• Average Attendance: 24,163

Look at those games, especially the higher attended games(Brazil, Mexico, Colombia, Peru)? Tell me what the opponents all have in common.

Now look at the lower attended games(Bosnia, Paraguay, Bolivia). What do they have in common?

Anyone who actually watches a US Men's Soccer game against a Mexico, Brazil, etc knows that 75% or more of the crowd is opposition fans. The US is just there as a foil.

If you want proof, look for a replay of the Gold Cup final in Chicago last Sunday.


For the same time period, the US Women drew about 17k a game for non-FIFA games without the added benefit of Brazil and Mexico propping up their figures.

Could you please post the Women's games totals and when they were played. I seriously doubt that playing games in Jan and March had anything to do with attendance, right?!
07-11-2019 05:26 PM
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RE: USWNT actually OVERPAID
(07-10-2019 09:59 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(07-10-2019 10:57 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 03:15 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  How do they think US Soccer is paid?!! By our government... no, it's by FIFA and that is based on how much many FIFA makes.

Can you imagine how successful the men's team would be if it didn't have to compete with the NFL, NBA, MLB for top athletes. Would we actually lose a World Cup if the US had soccer as its primary sport?

This lawsuit and more specifically the players complete lack of understand and failure to show true patriotism are sickening.

the only money the players get from FIFA is World Cup prize money every 4 years. The players pay the rest of the time comes directly from US Soccer. US Soccer gets its revenue as follows:

In 2018, Sponsorships were 52 million, National team game revenues were 25 million, International game revenues were 5 million and then roughly another 10 million in assorted areas(US Open Cup, Coaching Courses, Olympic committee, etc).

In 2017, US Soccer made a ton more money (290 million) because of the Copa America Centenario(basically from South American teams playing competitive games in the US)

None of that comes from FIFA at all.

Currently, US Soccer pays the men's and women's teams in the following way:

US Men
Currently get paid $13,166 per US game when they are called up to the team whether they win, lose or draw.

US Women
Currently get paid around $5k per game but only if they play and only if they win the game. On top of that, select players(around 20) get paid extra yearly salary that tops out at $99k a year.

So compare Rose Lavelle and Gyazi Zardes so far in 2019.

Rose Lavelle was the Bronze Ball winner and one of the USWNT most important players.

Gyasi Zardez is an awful soccer player with a worse haircut that is consistently played by an awful manager at both club and country

Lavelle is not currently making the maximum $100k salary from US Soccer(newer to the program). She has played 16 games this year but they only won 13 games. So she earned $65k for these games.(Not including tournament Prize money).

So from US Soccer she averages $6500 a game this year.

Gyasi Zardes has played 11 games for the US this year and made 144k this year before prize money.

He averages $13k a game for decidedly worse and less popular product.

Outside of WC years, the USWNT draws about 30% of the USMNT in attendance.

In the US the MLS averages right at 20,000 per game. NWSL draws around 6,000.

NWSL record attendance for match 23,403. MLS record attendance 73,109.
Only a dumb*** would use NWSL vs MLS figures in a USWNT vs USMNT argument. The same dumb*** would use the incorrect figures about USWNT drawing 30% of USMNT.
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(07-09-2019 12:26 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Maybe the WNBA should demand equal pay with the NBA
NBA subsidies it so the owners would just withdraw that

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RE: USWNT actually OVERPAID
(07-09-2019 05:39 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 03:31 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  The rules of soccer might have to be changed. There would need to be ample tee vee timeout spaces.

this is the truth. why cant the US be innovators in this regard? Tell FIFA to stuff it and have American networks stop paying for the World Cup if they try to muscle US soccer on this matter.

Have a TV timeout of 30 seconds on each Goal Kick, a 1 minute TV timeout on each substitution and a 1 minute on each yellow/red card. Have "injuries" trigger a 30 second timeout.

Here is the thing the soccer "purist" dont understand. Commercials HELP a game, and in game commercials are very likely to feature American Soccer Stars which helps with the development of the game
The US TV networks did that in the 90s, the blowback was huge.

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