(07-07-2019 07:08 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Let them in. Schools like USF and UCF got their shot at FBS football after spending time in FCS. Give Wichita their shot. They'll be a heck of a lot better than UConn has been.

curious why you are strongly advocating for a team that will mostly likely be a bottom feeder...there are tons of other fcs callups that have drastically high ceilings with infrastructure already in place

(07-07-2019 07:51 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 07:08 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Let them in. Schools like USF and UCF got their shot at FBS football after spending time in FCS. Give Wichita their shot. They'll be a heck of a lot better than UConn has been.

curious why you are strongly advocating for a team that will mostly likely be a bottom feeder...there are tons of other fcs callups that have drastically high ceilings with infrastructure already in place

Because they are already in the conference for every other sport, for one. I am glad someone didn't say no to USF when we tried to move up from FCS. We all know what it's like to be on the outside looking in, especially Houston, SMU (southwest conf) and USF and UC (Big East) who got left behind. Why would we act so superior to someone else, especially our own conf. mate.

Look, I'm not saying give them immediate admittance. I argue for a 5-7 year wait time to see what pans out. It might be ok. In fact, it might turn out good. Maybe they completely revamp their stadium and do it right. At least hear them out and see what kind of plan they come up with. Maybe they're willing to shell out big bucks to make it happen.

I'd rather bring in a BYU, for example, but they aren't coming. Can a Wichita really be any worse than UConn or the host of no name CUSA schools being bandied about. I mean you have ODU, who was FCS 5 years ago, and UAB who shut down their program...and these are the cream of the crop being mentioned.

(07-07-2019 04:23 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 12:17 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-06-2019 12:33 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(07-06-2019 09:19 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(07-05-2019 03:21 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Someone cite the NCAA rule, but I thought i read somewhere that if a school offers football and they are members in an FBS conference it has other sports in, it must play football in that conference.

Incorrect, football can wander off if it wants to. Basketball/Olympic sports are tied together like that.

I believe they can only go FBS with a conference invite though, pretty sure Liberty got a waiver for it though. Also if they go FCS they have to be their for a certain length of time if I remember right.

Yes, still need a conference invite for FBS except with Liberty ($$$). But there is no certain amount time they have to be in FCS. They can jump to FBS like S. Alabama, Georgia St and UNCC did. They may play a transition schedule at first, but after the second year they will be full FBS.

This is misleading

A start up must first go through a multi year transition period before it can play even an organized football schedule. From there it’s an additional 2 years to go FBS

If Wichita announced tomorrow the earliest they could play a game is 2021. They would then have to play two full years against juco’s and d2s before they could begin the FBS transition. The first year they could play an FBS schedule is 2024. First postseason eligibility is 2025

Oh, really? How was it that UAB was able to come back to C-USA so quickly?

NCAA didn't see them as a true start up given there was only a 2 year break between games. It was sort of a special circumstance.

The same doesn't exist with Wichita, who hasn't played in nearly 50 years. I know there's some confusion with Georgia State because they appeared to make the move fast, but they were already considered FCS and playing a full FCS schedule when they got the invite.

Closest example is South Alabama. They announced the intention of restarting the football program in December of 2007. They sat the next year per NCAA rules and built up a player base. In 2009 and 2010 they were considered the rough equivalent of a D2 program. 40 or 50 scholarships. Played a 7 and 10 game schedule against mostly JUCO's and D2's. Then the FBS transition officially began. Played 2011 with 63 scholarships and were considered an FCS independent. Allowing them to play a couple FBS teams for the first time. They went to 75 or so scholarships in 2012, and played a full FBS schedule but were postseason ineligible. They finally hit 85 scholarships in 2013, 6 years after they announced the restart.

(07-07-2019 10:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 04:23 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 12:17 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-06-2019 12:33 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(07-06-2019 09:19 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Incorrect, football can wander off if it wants to. Basketball/Olympic sports are tied together like that.

I believe they can only go FBS with a conference invite though, pretty sure Liberty got a waiver for it though. Also if they go FCS they have to be their for a certain length of time if I remember right.

Yes, still need a conference invite for FBS except with Liberty ($$$). But there is no certain amount time they have to be in FCS. They can jump to FBS like S. Alabama, Georgia St and UNCC did. They may play a transition schedule at first, but after the second year they will be full FBS.

This is misleading

A start up must first go through a multi year transition period before it can play even an organized football schedule. From there it’s an additional 2 years to go FBS

If Wichita announced tomorrow the earliest they could play a game is 2021. They would then have to play two full years against juco’s and d2s before they could begin the FBS transition. The first year they could play an FBS schedule is 2024. First postseason eligibility is 2025

Oh, really? How was it that UAB was able to come back to C-USA so quickly?

NCAA didn't see them as a true start up given there was only a 2 year break between games. It was sort of a special circumstance.

The same doesn't exist with Wichita, who hasn't played in nearly 50 years. I know there's some confusion with Georgia State because they appeared to make the move fast, but they were already considered FCS and playing a full FCS schedule when they got the invite.

Closest example is South Alabama. They announced the intention of restarting the football program in December of 2007. They sat the next year per NCAA rules and built up a player base. In 2009 and 2010 they were considered the rough equivalent of a D2 program. 40 or 50 scholarships. Played a 7 and 10 game schedule against mostly JUCO's and D2's. Then the FBS transition officially began. Played 2011 with 63 scholarships and were considered an FCS independent. Allowing them to play a couple FBS teams for the first time. They went to 75 or so scholarships in 2012, and played a full FBS schedule but were postseason ineligible. They finally hit 85 scholarships in 2013, 6 years after they announced the restart.

Wrong, more like 30. Their last year was 1986. I just watched a game on youtube in 1985 of Wichita St. vs. the Minnesota Golden Gophers coached by Lou Holtz and quarterbacked by Ricky Foggie played at the Minnesota Metrodome. Was a competitive game. They also beat Kansas State that year.

(07-07-2019 07:51 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 07:08 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Let them in. Schools like USF and UCF got their shot at FBS football after spending time in FCS. Give Wichita their shot. They'll be a heck of a lot better than UConn has been.

curious why you are strongly advocating for a team that will mostly likely be a bottom feeder...there are tons of other fcs callups that have drastically high ceilings with infrastructure already in place

Because it looks less desperate to let WSU try and fill out the need for a 12th than to accept Georgia State out of the C-USA or whatever. It's all about perception of the masses.

(07-07-2019 08:22 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 07:51 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 07:08 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Let them in. Schools like USF and UCF got their shot at FBS football after spending time in FCS. Give Wichita their shot. They'll be a heck of a lot better than UConn has been.

curious why you are strongly advocating for a team that will mostly likely be a bottom feeder...there are tons of other fcs callups that have drastically high ceilings with infrastructure already in place

Because they are already in the conference for every other sport, for one. I am glad someone didn't say no to USF when we tried to move up from FCS. We all know what it's like to be on the outside looking in, especially Houston, SMU (southwest conf) and USF and UC (Big East) who got left behind. Why would we act so superior to someone else, especially our own conf. mate.

Look, I'm not saying give them immediate admittance. I argue for a 5-7 year wait time to see what pans out. It might be ok. In fact, it might turn out good. Maybe they completely revamp their stadium and do it right. At least hear them out and see what kind of plan they come up with. Maybe they're willing to shell out big bucks to make it happen.

I'd rather bring in a BYU, for example, but they aren't coming. Can a Wichita really be any worse than UConn or the host of no name CUSA schools being bandied about. I mean you have ODU, who was FCS 5 years ago, and UAB who shut down their program...and these are the cream of the crop being mentioned.

But Wichita isnt moving up from FCS. They dont play football at all anymore---and when they did---they were so bad and so poorly supported--they shuttered the program. While there are no "great" options----there are a number of "better" options.

I can't believe some of you want to add a program that will be starting from zero in a state that already isn't known for great football. lol. Wow.

Nothing against WSU, gland they are in the conference and yada yada yada. IF they get football, they will need to go FCS for several years. Then move up to FBS as an indy for another several years. At that point we can look at it. Until then, its a NON STARTER. Its just that simple. Aresco said himself that football is critical. You don't add a start up program when football is critical. The fact some can't see that is alarming.

Given the opportunity to restart football with a promise of AAC membership.within 10.years would likely be enough for the Shockers to restart the program. Wichita and Wichita State fans struggle big time with little brother syndrome which is why we never had FCS football. It was either FBS or bust. Wichita State has put a major emphasis on recruiting the I35 corridor down to Dallas and has offered in state tuition to those students in Oklahoma and Texas. Furthermore, it was recommended by a consultants study on this that we would need Football to effectively recruit these students.

Things have changed a lot in Wichita since 1980s. The population in the metro area has almost doubled and sits around 700k. It is now in the top 50 for population size and has a drastically different makeup in what drives the economy. It no longer lives and dies with Aviation industry. It has its share of problems for sure but to say that football won't work now because it was cut in the 80's doesn't really hold water. It has been long enough that most folks in the work force don't even remember Wichita State Football. The old guard alumni are feverishly anti football and you will see that reflected on shockernet. Everyone else is open to having a discussion about it.

Lastly, in the past we fought a BOR packed with anti Wichita State folks who would not even let this discussion happen. One presidential search even included questions about football and those candidates who had a positive view of it were cut regardless of how they felt about actually reviving it at WSU. I know for a fact that during a previous President's tenure two donors pledged a total of 10 million dollars to help start the process of reviving the program and were turned down. Things are a bit different today with the Regents and President Bardo proved what an inspired President can do for a school. The next president will have the freedom to get this done if they so choose to do so.

(07-08-2019 06:41 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I can't believe some of you want to add a program that will be starting from zero in a state that already isn't known for great football. lol. Wow.

Well, we are trying to replace UConn, after all.

(07-08-2019 06:41 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I can't believe some of you want to add a program that will be starting from zero in a state that already isn't known for great football. lol. Wow.

Nothing against WSU, gland they are in the conference and yada yada yada. IF they get football, they will need to go FCS for several years. Then move up to FBS as an indy for another several years. At that point we can look at it. Until then, its a NON STARTER. Its just that simple. Aresco said himself that football is critical. You don't add a start up program when football is critical. The fact some can't see that is alarming.

I personally don’t see it relevant to our current situation. If they want to build a football program, then they should go for it. It’s an long term play as opposed to our current situation.


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Build the program. You'll automatically jump to the front of the line when the time is right since you're already a member of the conference. Just go for it.

Memphis had the worst football program in the country less than a decade ago. Now we're one of the pre-season favorites to make it to the NY6 game. Not saying we will, but that's how fast things can turn around.

This is the only discussion on this currently by the way, so if this is a thing it has escaped local Wichita discussion or a WSU forum filled with connected peeps.

(07-08-2019 05:31 PM)SHOCK_value Wrote:  This is the only discussion on this currently by the way, so if this is a thing it has escaped local Wichita discussion or a WSU forum filled with connected peeps.

Ok. Then don’t do it. It’s not like any of us care at the end of the day.


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I think WSU could have a successful FB program. I also think it is a big risk for the AAC and bigger financial risk for WSU. the reason WSU can pour so much money into facilities, charter jets and salaries, is that we don't have the financial albatross of a FB program. Maybe that would be different in the AAC with teams making the Sugar Bowl etc.

And WSU making the Copper Bowl every once in a while.

(07-08-2019 05:31 PM)SHOCK_value Wrote:  This is the only discussion on this currently by the way, so if this is a thing it has escaped local Wichita discussion or a WSU forum filled with connected peeps.

The op is trolling the board for sure but it's always fun to talk about bringing back shocker football.

(07-08-2019 05:31 PM)SHOCK_value Wrote:  This is the only discussion on this currently by the way, so if this is a thing it has escaped local Wichita discussion or a WSU forum filled with connected peeps.

Hey now, don’t harsh my buzz

(07-08-2019 11:30 PM)Shox Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 05:31 PM)SHOCK_value Wrote:  This is the only discussion on this currently by the way, so if this is a thing it has escaped local Wichita discussion or a WSU forum filled with connected peeps.

The op is trolling the board for sure but it's always fun to talk about bringing back shocker football.

(07-07-2019 11:46 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 10:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 04:23 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 12:17 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-06-2019 12:33 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Yes, still need a conference invite for FBS except with Liberty ($$$). But there is no certain amount time they have to be in FCS. They can jump to FBS like S. Alabama, Georgia St and UNCC did. They may play a transition schedule at first, but after the second year they will be full FBS.

This is misleading

A start up must first go through a multi year transition period before it can play even an organized football schedule. From there it’s an additional 2 years to go FBS

If Wichita announced tomorrow the earliest they could play a game is 2021. They would then have to play two full years against juco’s and d2s before they could begin the FBS transition. The first year they could play an FBS schedule is 2024. First postseason eligibility is 2025

Oh, really? How was it that UAB was able to come back to C-USA so quickly?

NCAA didn't see them as a true start up given there was only a 2 year break between games. It was sort of a special circumstance.

The same doesn't exist with Wichita, who hasn't played in nearly 50 years. I know there's some confusion with Georgia State because they appeared to make the move fast, but they were already considered FCS and playing a full FCS schedule when they got the invite.

Closest example is South Alabama. They announced the intention of restarting the football program in December of 2007. They sat the next year per NCAA rules and built up a player base. In 2009 and 2010 they were considered the rough equivalent of a D2 program. 40 or 50 scholarships. Played a 7 and 10 game schedule against mostly JUCO's and D2's. Then the FBS transition officially began. Played 2011 with 63 scholarships and were considered an FCS independent. Allowing them to play a couple FBS teams for the first time. They went to 75 or so scholarships in 2012, and played a full FBS schedule but were postseason ineligible. They finally hit 85 scholarships in 2013, 6 years after they announced the restart.

Wrong, more like 30. Their last year was 1986. I just watched a game on youtube in 1985 of Wichita St. vs. the Minnesota Golden Gophers coached by Lou Holtz and quarterbacked by Ricky Foggie played at the Minnesota Metrodome. Was a competitive game. They also beat Kansas State that year.

Everybody beat K-State back then....

It's sooooooooooooooooooooooooo not a good idea.

(07-09-2019 12:39 PM)CoogPaw Wrote:  It's sooooooooooooooooooooooooo not a good idea.

You nasty