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https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/01/politics/...index.html

A few facts for context on the camps.

-US undermined democratically elected governments in Latin America, leading to violent failed states like El Salvador, which people are now fleeing.
-Illegally crossing the border is a misdemeanor which for a long time was not prosecuted because it would lead to family separations, the Trump administration has decided to prosecute these crossings
-Trump admin has also been caught closing legal ports of entries and slowing to a crawl the rate at which those legal ports of entry process legal asylum claims, thus pushing migrants to illegal and dangerous crossings
-Lots of people die crossing the border in the desert. Recently a man named Scott Warren who worked with the organization No More Deaths was prosecuted for providing aid to migrants. He got off on a mistrial. He says 88 bodies were recovered in the Arizona desert since he was arrested in January 2018.
-Esquire ran an article citing an expert on the history of concentration camps who claimed that the USA was running concentration camps now. AOC cited that article and doubled down on that expert's claim. She got a lot of pushback, including from Democrats. She has received a lot of support from academics who study concentration camps who have said she is right and it's important to call them concentration camps.

This seems to me like one of those defining issues of an era. Seems very similar to me to the Indian Boarding Schools of the 19th and 20th centuries and Japanese Internment during WWII. I'm seeing widespread attempts on the right to discredit the reports coming out of the camps, and widespread cowardice in the center when it comes to doing anything about them. I'm not sure what to do about it, but I plan to support politicians who take this seriously, donate to organizations working to provide support, and try to spread information about what's going on.

Does AOC know what a garbage disposal is yet?

(07-02-2019 11:46 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  Does AOC know what a garbage disposal is yet?

Do you know what basic human decency is yet?

(07-02-2019 12:00 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 11:46 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  Does AOC know what a garbage disposal is yet?

Do you know what basic human decency is yet?

Sorry, I'll take the word over a family member who works as a border patrol agent over anything AOC or the agenda driven media has to say...

(07-02-2019 12:38 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 12:00 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 11:46 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  Does AOC know what a garbage disposal is yet?

Do you know what basic human decency is yet?

Sorry, I'll take the word over a family member who works as a border patrol agent over anything AOC or the agenda driven media has to say...

That's up to you buddy. What specifically has the family member offered that contradicts what I shared here or what AOC has said? Where do they work? What facilities have they seen?

And the elected officials that are complaining the most continue to vote not to fund improvements.

Too bad history is not taught is American schools anymore.

Ellis Island Immigration Process:
http://www.american-historama.org/1881-1...rocess.htm

Nancy said it's a fake crisis. Chuck said the crisis doesn't exist .

(07-02-2019 01:26 PM)okgc Wrote:  Too bad history is not taught is American schools anymore.

Ellis Island Immigration Process:
http://www.american-historama.org/1881-1...rocess.htm

Didn't check the veracity of your source. But I was struck by the following:
1. Less than 2% of immigrants were refused entry
2. Speed. System set up to swiftly process the immigrants
3. Those needing medical attention were placed in a hospital, and treated
4. Upwards of 10000 people/DAY were processed
5. Immigrants were rejected primarily for health reasons or due to criminal records

We can learn from this today

(07-02-2019 01:59 PM)Aimless1 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 01:26 PM)okgc Wrote:  Too bad history is not taught is American schools anymore.

Ellis Island Immigration Process:
http://www.american-historama.org/1881-1...rocess.htm

Didn't check the veracity of your source. But I was struck by the following:
1. Less than 2% of immigrants were refused entry
2. Speed. System set up to swiftly process the immigrants
3. Those needing medical attention were placed in a hospital, and treated
4. Upwards of 10000 people/DAY were processed
5. Immigrants were rejected primarily for health reasons or due to criminal records

We can learn from this today

...and they respected an established, LEGAL, process.

Yes, we can learn from this today. We need LEGAL immigrants. We do not need, and should not accept illegal immigrants who immorally cut-in-line in front of those who respect our nation and abide its laws.

Lots of migrants aim to make legal claims for asylum and are prevented from doing so by a deliberate slow-down of the asylum process at ports of entry. Would you agree that the ports of entry should be open and should aim to quickly and efficiently process legal asylum claims?

https://www.democracynow.org/2018/7/3/as...ico_border

(07-02-2019 01:59 PM)Aimless1 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 01:26 PM)okgc Wrote:  Too bad history is not taught is American schools anymore.

Ellis Island Immigration Process:
http://www.american-historama.org/1881-1...rocess.htm

Didn't check the veracity of your source. But I was struck by the following:
1. Less than 2% of immigrants were refused entry
2. Speed. System set up to swiftly process the immigrants
3. Those needing medical attention were placed in a hospital, and treated
4. Upwards of 10000 people/DAY were processed
5. Immigrants were rejected primarily for health reasons or due to criminal records

We can learn from this today

I haven't seen anyone get dunked on this hard since Shawntes Gary graduated. I'd just add, as a Social Studies teacher, Ellis Island definitely gets taught. It's like Day One stuff.

(07-02-2019 01:59 PM)Aimless1 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 01:26 PM)okgc Wrote:  Too bad history is not taught is American schools anymore.

Ellis Island Immigration Process:
http://www.american-historama.org/1881-1...rocess.htm

Didn't check the veracity of your source. But I was struck by the following:
1. Less than 2% of immigrants were refused entry
2. Speed. System set up to swiftly process the immigrants
3. Those needing medical attention were placed in a hospital, and treated
4. Upwards of 10000 people/DAY were processed
5. Immigrants were rejected primarily for health reasons or due to criminal records

We can learn from this today

How much government assistance did they get?

You should research this further if you’re curious, but I did a quick search for you and found this overview from Eastern Oregon University (best I could find). It talks about political patronage machines like Tammany Hall exchanging services for the poor for votes. I know a lot of these poor were immigrants. I really don’t know what state services looked like in the early 20th century. I’m sure there was less of an established welfare state before the New Deal and Great Society. Poverty was pretty savage back then. I show my 7th graders images of kids as young as 5 working dangerous jobs for hardly any pay. Pretty awful existence.

(07-02-2019 01:59 PM)Aimless1 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 01:26 PM)okgc Wrote:  Too bad history is not taught is American schools anymore.

Ellis Island Immigration Process:
http://www.american-historama.org/1881-1...rocess.htm

Didn't check the veracity of your source. But I was struck by the following:
1. Less than 2% of immigrants were refused entry
2. Speed. System set up to swiftly process the immigrants
3. Those needing medical attention were placed in a hospital, and treated
4. Upwards of 10000 people/DAY were processed
5. Immigrants were rejected primarily for health reasons or due to criminal records

We can learn from this today

Of course there are similarities but any comparison is apples to oranges.

The social studies teacher can explain. It’s not complicated.

(07-02-2019 02:12 PM)HaymondAtThe4 Wrote:  Lots of migrants aim to make legal claims for asylum and are prevented from doing so by a deliberate slow-down of the asylum process at ports of entry. Would you agree that the ports of entry should be open and should aim to quickly and efficiently process legal asylum claims?

https://www.democracynow.org/2018/7/3/as...ico_border

This is the key issue right here. Many are attempting legal asylum and our ports of entry are deliberately slowing down the process, UNLIKE ELLIS.

Of course, the orange idiot and his administration are conflating the issue with their drama filled rants and making a crisis out of it to get wall funding for the wall that Mexico was going to build, in their aid bills.

Dirty pool, but I wouldn't expect anything else from the reality tv hosting, fraud POTUS and his banana republic admin. They should fund the wall building and claim victory because he failed on yet another campaign promise and tell him to STFU about it from now on. The silence would be AWESOME.

(07-02-2019 02:05 PM)GullLake Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 01:59 PM)Aimless1 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 01:26 PM)okgc Wrote:  Too bad history is not taught is American schools anymore.

Ellis Island Immigration Process:
http://www.american-historama.org/1881-1...rocess.htm

Didn't check the veracity of your source. But I was struck by the following:
1. Less than 2% of immigrants were refused entry
2. Speed. System set up to swiftly process the immigrants
3. Those needing medical attention were placed in a hospital, and treated
4. Upwards of 10000 people/DAY were processed
5. Immigrants were rejected primarily for health reasons or due to criminal records

We can learn from this today

...and they respected an established, LEGAL, process.

Yes, we can learn from this today. We need LEGAL immigrants. We do not need, and should not accept illegal immigrants who immorally cut-in-line in front of those who respect our nation and abide its laws.

We didn't make it so difficult to immigrate back then, more like actively encouraged it.

What you say sounds great and all but desperate people coming from places that by and large WE f***ed up with our meddling are going to do what they need to do for their families. People sitting in their upper middle class homes in suburbia don't understand that, I guess. What we should do, since we know the "stealing our jobs" red herring is BS, is make it easier for people to legally acquire work visas/permits which would bring a lot of people out of the shadows. Then we can focus on people who actually might be a security or crime threat since we've disincentivised harmless people from sneaking across.

I suspect most politicians don't have a genuine desire to solve these issues though.

Fine CEO’s and owners of companies who hire and exploit illegals 5 percent of their gross revenue, start with Trump Resorts. Problem fixed.

No, this is all a deflection. They come here because there is work. People are so freaking gullible.

Listen to Charlie Leduff’s interview with Chris Cabrera of the National Border Patrol council (40:00 mark). He tells of what is actually going on there daily. Charlie is one of probably only a handful of real journalists who has actually walked along the border to see what’s going on.

The first part of this show regarding ground zero and the 911 victims compensation fund is worth a listen too

https://www.nobsnewshour.com/no-bs-news-...23rd-2019/

Leduff is a good reporter and good man. He worked with a good friend of mine at the News for years.