(07-03-2019 10:34 AM)cubucks Wrote:  Maryland since joining the BIG.

3 National Titles in Womens Lacrosse.

1 National Title in Mens Soccer.

1 National Title in Mens Lacrosse.

2 final fours in womens basketball.

2 super regionals in baseball.

Not as shabby as a certain poster would lead you to believe.

Happy to have you aboard, Maryland. The ACC's loss is definitely the BIG's gain, no matter what those fanboys of the ACC say.

On topic, it is a very sad situation with Jordan McNair. Obviously procedures weren't in place or he would still be with us today. That's the most I know or have educated myself on to this point. As far as losing Accreditation and the lack responsibility by the BOR, I haven't read the details to that yet.

I skimmed through the reports submitted by Maryland and Middle States. From what I saw, there were two main issues. 1) The University System of Maryland BOR overstepped their authority when they yanked the investigation from Pres. Loh and relegated him during the investigation and making some personnel decisions for Maryland; 2) Each of the parties involved had a different version of the events and interpreted the USM BOR's final recommendations (or demands) differently.

Middle States wants Maryland to clearly define the roles and responsibilities of the President, the USM Chanceller, and the USM BOR for decision making, in particular, in a time of crisis. While this should be an easy task, it will require changes in bylaws, and perhaps changes in state laws.

When this was going on, I found it surprising and disturbing that Pres. Loh was essentially taken out of the loop. Then was perplexed and angry when the BOR voted to retain Coach Durkin leading Pres. Loh to resign. Loh was able to fire Durkin two days later, perhaps violating current bylaws. But it did allow some of the BOR leadership to resign, and give Loh an opportunity to retire more on his terms.

As for Maryland's success in the Big Ten, if you look at the whole program (which I do), they have done quite well. If one only views anything other than football and men's basketball as "tiddlywinks," then I suppose things have not worked out so well so far.

(07-03-2019 11:10 AM)Pat125 Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 10:34 AM)cubucks Wrote:  Maryland since joining the BIG.

3 National Titles in Womens Lacrosse.

1 National Title in Mens Soccer.

1 National Title in Mens Lacrosse.

2 final fours in womens basketball.

2 super regionals in baseball.

Not as shabby as a certain poster would lead you to believe.

Happy to have you aboard, Maryland. The ACC's loss is definitely the BIG's gain, no matter what those fanboys of the ACC say.

On topic, it is a very sad situation with Jordan McNair. Obviously procedures weren't in place or he would still be with us today. That's the most I know or have educated myself on to this point. As far as losing Accreditation and the lack responsibility by the BOR, I haven't read the details to that yet.

I skimmed through the reports submitted by Maryland and Middle States. From what I saw, there were two main issues. 1) The University System of Maryland BOR overstepped their authority when they yanked the investigation from Pres. Loh and relegated him during the investigation and making some personnel decisions for Maryland; 2) Each of the parties involved had a different version of the events and interpreted the USM BOR's final recommendations (or demands) differently.

Middle States wants Maryland to clearly define the roles and responsibilities of the President, the USM Chanceller, and the USM BOR for decision making, in particular, in a time of crisis. While this should be an easy task, it will require changes in bylaws, and perhaps changes in state laws.

When this was going on, I found it surprising and disturbing that Pres. Loh was essentially taken out of the loop. Then was perplexed and angry when the BOR voted to retain Coach Durkin leading Pres. Loh to resign. Loh was able to fire Durkin two days later, perhaps violating current bylaws. But it did allow some of the BOR leadership to resign, and give Loh an opportunity to retire more on his terms.

As for Maryland's success in the Big Ten, if you look at the whole program (which I do), they have done quite well. If one only views anything other than football and men's basketball as "tiddlywinks," then I suppose things have not worked out so well so far.

Thanks for the info!

I might be the only person but I believe Maryland football is going to be really good in the near future. I'm assuming Texas already believes they are pretty good.

Basketball will be back.

They will not get it taken away from them. They are too big to fail. The last time a D1 school lost their accreditation was in 2001/2002 when Morris Brown was transitioning to D1 to replace Florida A&M who was moving up to FBS at the time. MBU still have not rebounded yet, dropped all of their sports and have less than 50 students now,

(07-02-2019 03:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 04:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-01-2019 02:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-01-2019 01:41 PM)XLance Wrote:  Would the ACC take 'em back after the B1G kicks them out?

No. There's no room at the inn.

We could send Pitt to the B1G.

We could send UNC to the SoCon.

Please do.

(07-02-2019 01:15 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-01-2019 03:43 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(07-01-2019 02:34 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  People think the NCAA is the poster-child for impotent leadership, but they pale in comparison to theses college accrediting boards.

But, in the world of higher education, this stuff is a black eye, even if it is pretty much only finger-wagging. It sends a clear message, even if through its silos and fiefdoms, that leadership at UMD is not very solid, stable, or capable for the tasks in which it is charged. Any serious leadership role will likely produce candidates who will know all about this stuff.

It is a bigger deal than it looks, but, I agree. It's merely a gesture.

UMD will easily clear this. What will be annoying is the work the BoT will have to do to put this through and appease the accrediting body. That's going to be a lot of work for your interim president's office and maybe provost? The work of "volunteers" delegating down. I doubt UMD's actual board will be working on this themselves...

...and if you work in higher ed, again, you're going to know that, and, depending on the position, you will steer clear of the place.

The scarcity of positions available at flagship universities is such that it is an knife fight among admins when one comes open. Moreover, if UMD fails to comply, what is the accrediting body going to do? Everybody knows the university accreditation isn't in jeopardy so at most they'll get a strongly worded letter with 5 years to turns things around.

For a school the size of UMD, the desirables will be similar amongst other top R1's. When you have a school with a leadership/board issue, however, those prized candidates simply pass. There will be other opportunities. There's always more to be had. Because, there are other places where people can enjoy the power of their positions without having to do much work.

It happened at Penn State. The presidential pool wasn't as robust as some desired (or so it was said). It doesn't matter whether PSU would survive and thrive after the Sandusky thing, and didn't matter if some of its programs are of elite status; the kind of stuff a new person could build from. These issues are simply not the ones people want to own during their tenures. It sets a bad tone or impression for talent retention. And, in some of these cases, the current landscape shapes the role and type of candidate sought. Schools go through "rentals," interim folk that are there to do one or two things, and set the stage for better go at things in the future.

All that is to say, this stuff is disruptive. It adds to Maryland's woes, and, while I suspect it will be easily cleared, that might take another year or so, pushing Maryland's plans off a bit now.

(07-03-2019 10:34 AM)cubucks Wrote:  Maryland since joining the BIG.

3 National Titles in Womens Lacrosse.

1 National Title in Mens Soccer.

1 National Title in Mens Lacrosse.

2 final fours in womens basketball.

2 super regionals in baseball.

Not as shabby as a certain poster would lead you to believe.

Happy to have you aboard, Maryland. The ACC's loss is definitely the BIG's gain, no matter what those fanboys of the ACC say.

On topic, it is a very sad situation with Jordan McNair. Obviously procedures weren't in place or he would still be with us today. That's the most I know or have educated myself on to this point. As far as losing Accreditation and the lack responsibility by the BOR, I haven't read the details to that yet.

Maryland probably still leads the ACC in championships won (ACC). Mostly in 3 or 4 sports, but none the less, a formidable conference competitor. It's not surprising that they are doing well in the B1G in that overall ACC sports are much better that the Big Ten.

(07-11-2019 10:36 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 10:34 AM)cubucks Wrote:  Maryland since joining the BIG.

3 National Titles in Womens Lacrosse.

1 National Title in Mens Soccer.

1 National Title in Mens Lacrosse.

2 final fours in womens basketball.

2 super regionals in baseball.

Not as shabby as a certain poster would lead you to believe.

Happy to have you aboard, Maryland. The ACC's loss is definitely the BIG's gain, no matter what those fanboys of the ACC say.

On topic, it is a very sad situation with Jordan McNair. Obviously procedures weren't in place or he would still be with us today. That's the most I know or have educated myself on to this point. As far as losing Accreditation and the lack responsibility by the BOR, I haven't read the details to that yet.

Maryland probably still leads the ACC in championships won (ACC). Mostly in 3 or 4 sports, but none the less, a formidable conference competitor. It's not surprising that they are doing well in the B1G in that overall ACC sports are much better that the Big Ten.

Yes, I know I'm thrilled to have them in the conference.

Top to bottom conference wide, I have no idea how the Big 10 and ACC matchup in all sports. I'm sure you know this since you mentioned it. ACC is a fine conference in my opinion!