Time for this thread to go into the "Off Topic" board. What started as a discussion of the AAC's voting rules has turned into a referendum on Southern Miss and some delusions of grandeur.

USFFan

(06-29-2019 12:54 PM)usffan Wrote:  Time for this thread to go into the "Off Topic" board. What started as a discussion of the AAC's voting rules has turned into a referendum on Southern Miss and some delusions of grandeur.

USFFan

So every post in every thread on this board remains on the topic of the tread title? Sheesh....speaking of delusions. At least it has remained on the subject of the AAC and future affiliations.

Southern Miss basketball lasted about 5 minutes. After Weatherspoon graduated it was nothing. Matter of fact I think that Steve Logan outscored Southern Miss in a game against Cincinnati. Correct me iff I am wrong. On the football side, there was a giant slide. I concur with all the other posters, I would not want to make trips to one third filled gyms to see hoops. Southern Miss does not add anything except nostalgia.

(06-29-2019 12:52 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 12:15 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 12:13 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 11:56 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  Here is where you miss the mark the most. USM is as big, if not bigger, of a name than anyone in the AAC.

Now I know you're trolling...

Look, I'm under no delusions that USF is some big name program. But can you remind me of how many of the NY6 bowls Southern Miss has played in? How many Heisman Trophy's they've had? How many Final Fours they've appeared in? You're going to have a helluva time convincing anybody that "USM is as big, if not bigger, of a name than" at a minimum, Cincinnati, Memphis or Houston.

USFFan

Hi.

Ouch. Can I at least point out that I said "at a minimum?" Here, this will let you know I'm not completely clueless...



USFFan

1. Awesome pic. Army Navy Gala?
2. I was all "#24 in all time wins Navy says hi" to the delusional USM poster. I didnt want to skip your good post, so sorry for not being more clear.

(06-29-2019 01:16 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Southern Miss basketball lasted about 5 minutes. After Weatherspoon graduated it was nothing. Matter of fact I think that Steve Logan outscored Southern Miss in a game against Cincinnati. Correct me iff I am wrong. On the football side, there was a giant slide. I concur with all the other posters, I would not want to make trips to one third filled gyms to see hoops. Southern Miss does not add anything except nostalgia.

Well, you can already go to maybe half the AAC basketball arenas and see the same thing, lol.

For personal interest, I'd love to see USM added, Just like I'd like to see USM a regular on the Memphis OOC schedule now. But the AAC will want added financial value for the TV contract.

(06-29-2019 01:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 01:16 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Southern Miss basketball lasted about 5 minutes. After Weatherspoon graduated it was nothing. Matter of fact I think that Steve Logan outscored Southern Miss in a game against Cincinnati. Correct me iff I am wrong. On the football side, there was a giant slide. I concur with all the other posters, I would not want to make trips to one third filled gyms to see hoops. Southern Miss does not add anything except nostalgia.

Well, you can already go to maybe half the AAC basketball arenas and see the same thing, lol.

That's the problem. Add a football school that can add value especially with us each gaining an extra $700k not expanding.

The homerun would be BYU fb only with VCU other sports. Add a little more to both sides.

(06-29-2019 01:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 01:16 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Southern Miss basketball lasted about 5 minutes. After Weatherspoon graduated it was nothing. Matter of fact I think that Steve Logan outscored Southern Miss in a game against Cincinnati. Correct me iff I am wrong. On the football side, there was a giant slide. I concur with all the other posters, I would not want to make trips to one third filled gyms to see hoops. Southern Miss does not add anything except nostalgia.

Well, you can already go to maybe half the AAC basketball arenas and see the same thing, lol.

True. lol....But its certainly not something we are shooting to stock up on.

(06-29-2019 01:30 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  For personal interest, I'd love to see USM added, Just like I'd like to see USM a regular on the Memphis OOC schedule now. But the AAC will want added financial value for the TV contract.

On the topic of financial value / TV contract / Markets;

Just bc you dont have a large population in your University's city, doesn't mean there is not financial value. And just bc you DO have a large population, doesn't mean you will have lots of eyes on TV screen when you play.

Heck, when Alabama plays Auburn, LSU, Florida, etc., Im pretty sure people in Texas and other places outside the south and certainly people outside of Tuscaloosa, Gainesville, Baton Rouge, etc., watch the game. Oxford and Starkville are pretty darn small towns with no "market".

At the same time, San Antonio, Miami and Dallas are VERY large "markets", but no one cares about UTSA, FIU, North Tx, etc. It is more about brand than population. Not saying USM is comparable to those SEC schools for obvious reasons. Just pointing out that financial value comes from more than population of the town the school resides in / near.

Tell me, what opponent would draw the most attendance at a Memphis football game; USM, Temple, Tulsa, Tulane, FIU, UTSA, North Texas, or Cincy? The answer is USM. That is added financial value for Memphis.

(06-29-2019 01:49 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 01:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 01:16 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Southern Miss basketball lasted about 5 minutes. After Weatherspoon graduated it was nothing. Matter of fact I think that Steve Logan outscored Southern Miss in a game against Cincinnati. Correct me iff I am wrong. On the football side, there was a giant slide. I concur with all the other posters, I would not want to make trips to one third filled gyms to see hoops. Southern Miss does not add anything except nostalgia.

Well, you can already go to maybe half the AAC basketball arenas and see the same thing, lol.

That's the problem. Add a football school that can add value especially with us each gaining an extra $700k not expanding.

The homerun would be BYU fb only with VCU other sports. Add a little more to both sides.

If we are standing pat at 11---I really like the idea of just adding VCU. It costs little---replaces the quality basketball depth in the league, while preserving our ability to add a full member later if we a clear and obvious option for #12 emerges from the pack. The problem with doing nothing in the current NET driven system and staying with the same number of conference games---is not replacing UConn means those UConn games will be replaced with more games against the bottom teams of the conference.

(06-29-2019 01:49 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 01:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 01:16 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Southern Miss basketball lasted about 5 minutes. After Weatherspoon graduated it was nothing. Matter of fact I think that Steve Logan outscored Southern Miss in a game against Cincinnati. Correct me iff I am wrong. On the football side, there was a giant slide. I concur with all the other posters, I would not want to make trips to one third filled gyms to see hoops. Southern Miss does not add anything except nostalgia.

Well, you can already go to maybe half the AAC basketball arenas and see the same thing, lol.

True. lol....But its certainly not something we are shooting to stock up on.

That was my point.

(06-29-2019 01:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 01:49 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 01:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 01:16 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Southern Miss basketball lasted about 5 minutes. After Weatherspoon graduated it was nothing. Matter of fact I think that Steve Logan outscored Southern Miss in a game against Cincinnati. Correct me iff I am wrong. On the football side, there was a giant slide. I concur with all the other posters, I would not want to make trips to one third filled gyms to see hoops. Southern Miss does not add anything except nostalgia.

Well, you can already go to maybe half the AAC basketball arenas and see the same thing, lol.

That's the problem. Add a football school that can add value especially with us each gaining an extra $700k not expanding.

The homerun would be BYU fb only with VCU other sports. Add a little more to both sides.

If we are standing pat at 11---I really like the idea of just adding VCU. It costs little---replaces the quality basketball depth in the league, while preserving our ability to add a full member later if we a clear and obvious option for #12 emerges from the pack. The problem with doing nothing in the current NET driven system and staying with the same number of conference games---is not replacing UConn means those UConn games will be replaced with more games against the bottom teams of the conference.

Exactly. I posted the same thing elsewhere recently.

(06-28-2019 08:18 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 08:13 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 07:29 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  Certainly each school in the AAC would get to vote yay or nay on extending an invite to another school. Anyone know how many it would take? I'm thinking 7 but have no idea.

As a USM fan, I'm counting votes.

Memphis, Tulane and ECU should all be Yes votes I would think. Though ECU having our former AD could work against us as much as working for us, but Ill count it as a Yes.

Houston an SMU I feel pretty good about giving a Yes vote.

Wondering how many more votes it would take. If 7, then need 2 more out of UCF, USF, Cincy and Tulsa. I would imagine Temple and Navy are certain "Nos".

Can get any help on this? Feel free to throw some insults in if you want, but most interested in the magic number of Yays.

If I had a vote. It would be for Southern Miss. I loved playing u guys. The Rock is a special place and under Bowers and Fedora a damn near impossible place to beat u guys at.

Was def building a lot of "hate" between the two programs. That's what you want and what it takes to have a true rivalry. I remember USM fans believing UCF played real dirty for a couple years (true or not, it was believed / perceived). That always helps build a rivalry.

That was not ucf, that was USF.

(06-29-2019 03:05 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 08:18 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 08:13 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 07:29 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  Certainly each school in the AAC would get to vote yay or nay on extending an invite to another school. Anyone know how many it would take? I'm thinking 7 but have no idea.

As a USM fan, I'm counting votes.

Memphis, Tulane and ECU should all be Yes votes I would think. Though ECU having our former AD could work against us as much as working for us, but Ill count it as a Yes.

Houston an SMU I feel pretty good about giving a Yes vote.

Wondering how many more votes it would take. If 7, then need 2 more out of UCF, USF, Cincy and Tulsa. I would imagine Temple and Navy are certain "Nos".

Can get any help on this? Feel free to throw some insults in if you want, but most interested in the magic number of Yays.

If I had a vote. It would be for Southern Miss. I loved playing u guys. The Rock is a special place and under Bowers and Fedora a damn near impossible place to beat u guys at.

Was def building a lot of "hate" between the two programs. That's what you want and what it takes to have a true rivalry. I remember USM fans believing UCF played real dirty for a couple years (true or not, it was believed / perceived). That always helps build a rivalry.

That was not ucf, that was USF.

I remember it being UCF. May have been USF too bc I do remember a small riff with them as well. Just more hate for UCF.

(06-29-2019 03:11 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 03:05 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 08:18 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 08:13 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 07:29 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  Certainly each school in the AAC would get to vote yay or nay on extending an invite to another school. Anyone know how many it would take? I'm thinking 7 but have no idea.

As a USM fan, I'm counting votes.

Memphis, Tulane and ECU should all be Yes votes I would think. Though ECU having our former AD could work against us as much as working for us, but Ill count it as a Yes.

Houston an SMU I feel pretty good about giving a Yes vote.

Wondering how many more votes it would take. If 7, then need 2 more out of UCF, USF, Cincy and Tulsa. I would imagine Temple and Navy are certain "Nos".

Can get any help on this? Feel free to throw some insults in if you want, but most interested in the magic number of Yays.

If I had a vote. It would be for Southern Miss. I loved playing u guys. The Rock is a special place and under Bowers and Fedora a damn near impossible place to beat u guys at.

Was def building a lot of "hate" between the two programs. That's what you want and what it takes to have a true rivalry. I remember USM fans believing UCF played real dirty for a couple years (true or not, it was believed / perceived). That always helps build a rivalry.

That was not ucf, that was USF.

I remember it being UCF. May have been USF too bc I do remember a small riff with them as well. Just more hate for UCF.

If you're talking about the eye poking, that was USF. I don't remember anything particular with Southern Miss outside of having some tough teams

(06-29-2019 11:56 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 11:38 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 10:47 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 08:14 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 07:29 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  What does market have to do with anything? That never made sense by the TV Execs years ago. It was common sense to me way back then and they were eventually proven wrong. There are numerous schools in huge markets nut no one gives a squat about them. Ciny is actually one of those teams to be honest. All these years and still no national respect.

Nothing personal. I understand you probably aren't happy with my post. But you threw this out there and asked for opinions on USM, so you should also be prepared to hear things contrary to what you want to hear.

I didn't ask for anyones opinion on USM. Ive read the board enough to know it already. I think many of your opinions are misguided and fail to see the big picture.

The AAC isn't getting BYU or Army. It would be in the AACs best interest to get USM. Some of the these other schools being thrown around here will get the AAC closer to CUSA....and that's not good, I promise.

USM football, while better than your hoops historically, isn't a big enough name and hasn't been good enough to offset points 1 and 2.

USM would basically be ECU-Lite. No thanks.

Here is where you miss the mark the most. USM is as big, if not bigger, of a name than anyone in the AAC. We have been out of the conversation a bit for a couple reasons of late, but entering the AAC would instantly put us right back where we were, when we were all together. At the top of the list of "named" programs. You may not want to admit that, but its the truth.

As far as ECU light...i dont get it. ECU has made great strides and even though their win/loss record isnt where it has been and will eventually be, they STILL are at the top in attendance. That should be enough to scare every AAC school to death. Looks like a sleeping giant to me....as is USM.

Sorry, but the name USM carries no weight in the modern world. It's not the 80s or 90s anymore.

(06-29-2019 03:44 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 03:11 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 03:05 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 08:18 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 08:13 PM)No Bull Wrote:  If I had a vote. It would be for Southern Miss. I loved playing u guys. The Rock is a special place and under Bowers and Fedora a damn near impossible place to beat u guys at.

Was def building a lot of "hate" between the two programs. That's what you want and what it takes to have a true rivalry. I remember USM fans believing UCF played real dirty for a couple years (true or not, it was believed / perceived). That always helps build a rivalry.

That was not ucf, that was USF.

I remember it being UCF. May have been USF too bc I do remember a small riff with them as well. Just more hate for UCF.

If you're talking about the eye poking, that was USF. I don't remember anything particular with Southern Miss outside of having some tough teams

Wasnt talking about that. I did forget about it though.

(06-29-2019 12:22 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 12:13 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 11:56 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  Here is where you miss the mark the most. USM is as big, if not bigger, of a name than anyone in the AAC.

Now I know you're trolling...

Look, I'm under no delusions that USF is some big name program. But can you remind me of how many of the NY6 bowls Southern Miss has played in? How many Heisman Trophy's they've had? How many Final Fours they've appeared in? You're going to have a helluva time convincing anybody that "USM is as big, if not bigger, of a name than" at a minimum, Cincinnati, Memphis or Houston.

USFFan

Im talking about football. If.....IF, we were magically in the AAC in tomorrow, we would instantly be back (in name), where we were when you were all in CUSA....biggest in name. Not trolling...thats how i feel. Sure, UCf is the hot thing right now and is developing themselves into a legit name, but it could disappear just as quick with the wrong coaching hire and they would be right back where USF (or Cincy) is in football name. Heck, didnt even UCONN make a major bowl a few years back? I dont think anyone would confuse them with a legit football name / brand.

I completely forgot, back when the Big 12 was looking at possible additions, USM was right at the top!

Yeah, if that were true, the AAC and ESPN would have you in that 12th spot in a flash.

AAC has never been about performance. Just bank account.

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(06-29-2019 04:30 PM)Noodles Wrote:  AAC has never been about performance. Just bank account.

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Man, y'all are doubling down on stupid here.