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(06-29-2019 09:34 AM)usffan Wrote:  David, why did you create an alt account?

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(06-29-2019 09:32 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 09:23 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Why all of the troll threads, boring summer?

People wanting to jump on the UConn conference alignment news bandwagon, but lacking any actual conference alignment news to work with.

(06-29-2019 09:26 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 09:15 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  How can the ECU leave the AAC for that "New Conference", when Marshall wouldn't leave the CUSA Eastern Division if offered a guaranteed spot in that conference lineup.

If you could get past all the insane hurdles of ECU paying 10 million dollars to leave the AAC, the NCAA giving that new league an auto bid to the NCAA tournament, somehow that new league being given access to the G5 money and access bowl slot, and whatever other things I'm forgetting Marshall probably would actually join that conference.

I don't think it would. Don't forget to work out where Marshall is going to lie in terms of divisional alignment, and the fact that Marshall left the MAC East for the CUSA East ... and even if CUSA East was later raided, had no interest in returning when the MAC was looking for a 14th in case UMass take the "all in" side of the "all in or all out" ultimatum.

It's not in a division with a road trip to Florida every year by accident ... that's on purpose.

Put yourself in Marshall's shoes, and compare:

Charlotte, ODU, Marshall, Middle Tennessee, WKY, FAU/FIU

UMass, UConn, Buffalo, Marshall, ODU, Liberty

The other division in this hypothetical "East Coast Conference" may well be more interesting to it than the CUSA West, but when you only make one cross division trip a year, the makeup of "the other division" is not as big a deal.

Well I also don't think the hypothetical new "east coast FBS league" would have no one in Florida. Again this only actually happens in some kind of massive raid situation where the AAC got completely gutted or like some kind of P5 split off where it actually became important to drastically cut down on expenses. I actually suspect the castoff league would probably be far more southeast, but Marshall has a huge alumi base in North Carolina and Virginia and would want to be in leagues with schools in those states. I suspect it would probably consist of some group of schools from this list (depending on who was or wasn't left after whatever massive shift caused a move like this)

ECU
Marshall
JMU
ODU
Charlotte
App
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Coastal Carolina
FIU
FAU
USF
UCF
Temple
UCONN
UMASS
Buffalo

You could easily piece something together out of that more interesting than the eastern division of C-USA currently, but again it's not happening unless there's a catastrophic realignment scenario that forces a complete reshaping of all of the remaining left out schools.
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(06-29-2019 02:33 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Swing and a miss from the troll farm today. Sweet that they thought of us tho.


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I would do a southeast conference instead of an east coast.

ECU
Appalachian State
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee State
Troy
UAB
Georgia Southern
UCF
USF
S. Mississippi
Arkansas State
Memphis

This would be a strong football and basketball conference.
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If I were ECU and wanted to create a new conference, it would look more like this:

Appalachian State
Western Kentucky
Marshall
Georgia Southern
Middle Tennessee
East Carolina
Old Dominion
Coastal Carolina
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(06-29-2019 01:32 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Well I also don't think the hypothetical new "east coast FBS league" would have no one in Florida.

I'm not saying that there is no conceivable "Each Coast Conference" lineups which would be compelling for Marshall, I'm saying the original poster has a swing and a miss.

(06-29-2019 02:33 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Swing and a miss from the troll farm today. Sweet that they thought of us tho.

Huh, what do you know, I hadn't even got this far in the thread when I wrote the above.
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(06-29-2019 02:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  If I were ECU and wanted to create a new conference, it would look more like this:

Appalachian State
Western Kentucky
Marshall
Georgia Southern
Middle Tennessee
East Carolina
Old Dominion
Coastal Carolina

Lol! Best one yet
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(06-29-2019 07:11 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 02:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  If I were ECU and wanted to create a new conference, it would look more like this:

Appalachian State
Western Kentucky
Marshall
Georgia Southern
Middle Tennessee
East Carolina
Old Dominion
Coastal Carolina

Lol! Best one yet

Well, you can laugh, but those schools are listed in order of their ten year average Sagaring ratings. ECU is quickly challenging the bottom of that group. Did you know that in every year since joining the AAC ECU's power rating has gotten worse than the year before? That's five straight years - that qualifies as a trend.

What's worse, the Pirates' average football attendance has declined by about 30% during that time. That's also a trend, and not a good one. Of the 11 remaining members, only SMU has a worse rating since ECU joined the AAC. Maybe it's time to face reality.

The teams I listed have a lot in common, institutionally, and they have a relatively tight footprint. In time, ECU could become competitive in such a conference, and form rivalries that could bring fans back into Dowdy-Ficklen. That conference, if it formed, would rank in strength right behind the AAC, more or less even with the MWC, but clearly stronger than the MAC, CUSA and Sunbelt.

Or, they could choose to stay in the AAC and continue to leak oil until recovering their former stature becomes just a dream. Who would be laughing out loud then?
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(06-30-2019 02:54 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 07:11 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 02:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  If I were ECU and wanted to create a new conference, it would look more like this:

Appalachian State
Western Kentucky
Marshall
Georgia Southern
Middle Tennessee
East Carolina
Old Dominion
Coastal Carolina

Lol! Best one yet

Well, you can laugh, but those schools are listed in order of their ten year average Sagaring ratings. ECU is quickly challenging the bottom of that group. Did you know that in every year since joining the AAC ECU's power rating has gotten worse than the year before? That's five straight years - that qualifies as a trend.

What's worse, the Pirates' average football attendance has declined by about 30% during that time. That's also a trend, and not a good one. Of the 11 remaining members, only SMU has a worse rating since ECU joined the AAC. Maybe it's time to face reality.

The teams I listed have a lot in common, institutionally, and they have a relatively tight footprint. In time, ECU could become competitive in such a conference, and form rivalries that could bring fans back into Dowdy-Ficklen. That conference, if it formed, would rank in strength right behind the AAC, more or less even with the MWC, but clearly stronger than the MAC, CUSA and Sunbelt.

Or, they could choose to stay in the AAC and continue to leak oil until recovering their former stature becomes just a dream. Who would be laughing out loud then?

I'm going to actually ask a serious question for this dumb post even though I know I shouldn't. How would paying 10+ million that we don't have to join a league that realistically would be paid next to nothing help ECU "recover former stature" exactly? ECU's problems are self-inflicted. Made an idiotic decision to force out Terry Holland because a few idiot donors didn't think he did enough to get us into the Big East and didn't like that he wanted to make changes within the Pirate Club. Hired an idiot AD in Compher who made an idiotic decision to fire Ruff and then compounded that by hiring a loser coach in Mo. The AAC has nothing to do with ECU's issues over the last 5 years.
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(06-30-2019 02:54 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 07:11 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 02:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  If I were ECU and wanted to create a new conference, it would look more like this:

Appalachian State
Western Kentucky
Marshall
Georgia Southern
Middle Tennessee
East Carolina
Old Dominion
Coastal Carolina

Lol! Best one yet

Well, you can laugh, but those schools are listed in order of their ten year average Sagaring ratings. ECU is quickly challenging the bottom of that group. Did you know that in every year since joining the AAC ECU's power rating has gotten worse than the year before? That's five straight years - that qualifies as a trend.

What's worse, the Pirates' average football attendance has declined by about 30% during that time. That's also a trend, and not a good one. Of the 11 remaining members, only SMU has a worse rating since ECU joined the AAC. Maybe it's time to face reality.

The teams I listed have a lot in common, institutionally, and they have a relatively tight footprint. In time, ECU could become competitive in such a conference, and form rivalries that could bring fans back into Dowdy-Ficklen. That conference, if it formed, would rank in strength right behind the AAC, more or less even with the MWC, but clearly stronger than the MAC, CUSA and Sunbelt.

Or, they could choose to stay in the AAC and continue to leak oil until recovering their former stature becomes just a dream. Who would be laughing out loud then?

That is because of having multiple losing seasons in a row. Historically ECU is a little like a roller coaster, they can string together some losing seasons then string together some strong seasons. They had 5 straight bowls under Holtz/McNeil, and also 3 straight bowls under McNeil thereafter.
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(06-30-2019 03:05 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 02:54 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 07:11 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 02:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  If I were ECU and wanted to create a new conference, it would look more like this:

Appalachian State
Western Kentucky
Marshall
Georgia Southern
Middle Tennessee
East Carolina
Old Dominion
Coastal Carolina

Lol! Best one yet

Well, you can laugh, but those schools are listed in order of their ten year average Sagaring ratings. ECU is quickly challenging the bottom of that group. Did you know that in every year since joining the AAC ECU's power rating has gotten worse than the year before? That's five straight years - that qualifies as a trend.

What's worse, the Pirates' average football attendance has declined by about 30% during that time. That's also a trend, and not a good one. Of the 11 remaining members, only SMU has a worse rating since ECU joined the AAC. Maybe it's time to face reality.

The teams I listed have a lot in common, institutionally, and they have a relatively tight footprint. In time, ECU could become competitive in such a conference, and form rivalries that could bring fans back into Dowdy-Ficklen. That conference, if it formed, would rank in strength right behind the AAC, more or less even with the MWC, but clearly stronger than the MAC, CUSA and Sunbelt.

Or, they could choose to stay in the AAC and continue to leak oil until recovering their former stature becomes just a dream. Who would be laughing out loud then?

I'm going to actually ask a serious question for this dumb post even though I know I shouldn't. How would paying 10+ million that we don't have to join a league that realistically would be paid next to nothing help ECU "recover former stature" exactly? ECU's problems are self-inflicted. Made an idiotic decision to force out Terry Holland because a few idiot donors didn't think he did enough to get us into the Big East and didn't like that he wanted to make changes within the Pirate Club. Hired an idiot AD in Compher who made an idiotic decision to fire Ruff and then compounded that by hiring a loser coach in Mo. The AAC has nothing to do with ECU's issues over the last 5 years.

Just like I shouldn't answer your question when you start it with an insult. The difference is, I won't. Come back when you learn to behave better.
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(06-30-2019 03:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 03:05 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 02:54 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 07:11 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 02:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  If I were ECU and wanted to create a new conference, it would look more like this:

Appalachian State
Western Kentucky
Marshall
Georgia Southern
Middle Tennessee
East Carolina
Old Dominion
Coastal Carolina

Lol! Best one yet

Well, you can laugh, but those schools are listed in order of their ten year average Sagaring ratings. ECU is quickly challenging the bottom of that group. Did you know that in every year since joining the AAC ECU's power rating has gotten worse than the year before? That's five straight years - that qualifies as a trend.

What's worse, the Pirates' average football attendance has declined by about 30% during that time. That's also a trend, and not a good one. Of the 11 remaining members, only SMU has a worse rating since ECU joined the AAC. Maybe it's time to face reality.

The teams I listed have a lot in common, institutionally, and they have a relatively tight footprint. In time, ECU could become competitive in such a conference, and form rivalries that could bring fans back into Dowdy-Ficklen. That conference, if it formed, would rank in strength right behind the AAC, more or less even with the MWC, but clearly stronger than the MAC, CUSA and Sunbelt.

Or, they could choose to stay in the AAC and continue to leak oil until recovering their former stature becomes just a dream. Who would be laughing out loud then?

I'm going to actually ask a serious question for this dumb post even though I know I shouldn't. How would paying 10+ million that we don't have to join a league that realistically would be paid next to nothing help ECU "recover former stature" exactly? ECU's problems are self-inflicted. Made an idiotic decision to force out Terry Holland because a few idiot donors didn't think he did enough to get us into the Big East and didn't like that he wanted to make changes within the Pirate Club. Hired an idiot AD in Compher who made an idiotic decision to fire Ruff and then compounded that by hiring a loser coach in Mo. The AAC has nothing to do with ECU's issues over the last 5 years.

Just like I shouldn't answer your question when you start it with an insult. The difference is, I won't. Come back when you learn to behave better.

Good point I should have known better than to ask an even semi-serious question about a troll post. That's my fault. I know the internet better than that. Carry on trolling.
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(06-30-2019 03:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 03:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 03:05 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 02:54 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 07:11 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Lol! Best one yet

Well, you can laugh, but those schools are listed in order of their ten year average Sagaring ratings. ECU is quickly challenging the bottom of that group. Did you know that in every year since joining the AAC ECU's power rating has gotten worse than the year before? That's five straight years - that qualifies as a trend.

What's worse, the Pirates' average football attendance has declined by about 30% during that time. That's also a trend, and not a good one. Of the 11 remaining members, only SMU has a worse rating since ECU joined the AAC. Maybe it's time to face reality.

The teams I listed have a lot in common, institutionally, and they have a relatively tight footprint. In time, ECU could become competitive in such a conference, and form rivalries that could bring fans back into Dowdy-Ficklen. That conference, if it formed, would rank in strength right behind the AAC, more or less even with the MWC, but clearly stronger than the MAC, CUSA and Sunbelt.

Or, they could choose to stay in the AAC and continue to leak oil until recovering their former stature becomes just a dream. Who would be laughing out loud then?

I'm going to actually ask a serious question for this dumb post even though I know I shouldn't. How would paying 10+ million that we don't have to join a league that realistically would be paid next to nothing help ECU "recover former stature" exactly? ECU's problems are self-inflicted. Made an idiotic decision to force out Terry Holland because a few idiot donors didn't think he did enough to get us into the Big East and didn't like that he wanted to make changes within the Pirate Club. Hired an idiot AD in Compher who made an idiotic decision to fire Ruff and then compounded that by hiring a loser coach in Mo. The AAC has nothing to do with ECU's issues over the last 5 years.

Just like I shouldn't answer your question when you start it with an insult. The difference is, I won't. Come back when you learn to behave better.

Good point I should have known better than to ask an even semi-serious question about a troll post. That's my fault. I know the internet better than that. Carry on trolling.

troll threads seemed to be created after the UConn announcement not surprised.
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(06-30-2019 03:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Good point I should have known better than to ask an even semi-serious question about a troll post. That's my fault. I know the internet better than that. Carry on trolling.

troll threads seemed to be created after the UConn announcement not surprised.

Well just out of boredom I participated in this thread and mentioned that under a doomsday scenario for ECU where the AAC got gutted to the studs I could see ECU wanting to form some sort of east coast FBS league. Terry Holland talked about it for years so I don't think the thought process is completely idiotic. Of course, I know the whole start of this was to troll, and ken d being from Raleigh is almost certainly some sort of ACC homer trying to troll advocate getting ECU into a league with it's "institutional peers" and my mistake was asking that idiot a question about how he possibly thought leaving an intact AAC for that would help. That's my fault not his he was interneting properly and I wasn't.
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(06-28-2019 08:41 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  UCONN immediately became a P5 when they left the AAC and joined the Big East


This is just sad on so many levels. At least I’m entertained while I take a dump.


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(06-28-2019 08:41 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  UCONN immediately became a P5 when they left the AAC and joined the Big East

No, UConn became immediately irrelevant in college sports except for Nov- March.
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(06-30-2019 03:37 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 03:29 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 03:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Good point I should have known better than to ask an even semi-serious question about a troll post. That's my fault. I know the internet better than that. Carry on trolling.

troll threads seemed to be created after the UConn announcement not surprised.

Well just out of boredom I participated in this thread and mentioned that under a doomsday scenario for ECU where the AAC got gutted to the studs I could see ECU wanting to form some sort of east coast FBS league. Terry Holland talked about it for years so I don't think the thought process is completely idiotic. Of course, I know the whole start of this was to troll, and ken d being from Raleigh is almost certainly some sort of ACC homer trying to troll advocate getting ECU into a league with it's "institutional peers" and my mistake was asking that idiot a question about how he possibly thought leaving an intact AAC for that would help. That's my fault not his he was interneting properly and I wasn't.

You're not just rude, you're clueless. I don't have any one team I root for. I have fondness for a lot of them, but none more than ECU. I'm not "from" Raleigh. I moved here because I was lucky enough to marry a North Carolina native who was an ECC alum. Her family's ties to the school go back more than a century, as her mother was a grad of ECTTS in 1918.

There was no trolling here. I expressed an opinion in a hypothetical fantasy about where I thought ECU would be best suited. I don't expect it to ever happen. I believe ECU made a bad decision driven by fans whose motives were understandable, but IMO misguided and unwise. It's not the first time I've seen that happen to ECU. And if threads like this are any indication, it won't be the last.
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(06-30-2019 05:50 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 03:37 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 03:29 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 03:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Good point I should have known better than to ask an even semi-serious question about a troll post. That's my fault. I know the internet better than that. Carry on trolling.

troll threads seemed to be created after the UConn announcement not surprised.

Well just out of boredom I participated in this thread and mentioned that under a doomsday scenario for ECU where the AAC got gutted to the studs I could see ECU wanting to form some sort of east coast FBS league. Terry Holland talked about it for years so I don't think the thought process is completely idiotic. Of course, I know the whole start of this was to troll, and ken d being from Raleigh is almost certainly some sort of ACC homer trying to troll advocate getting ECU into a league with it's "institutional peers" and my mistake was asking that idiot a question about how he possibly thought leaving an intact AAC for that would help. That's my fault not his he was interneting properly and I wasn't.

You're not just rude, you're clueless. I don't have any one team I root for. I have fondness for a lot of them, but none more than ECU. I'm not "from" Raleigh. I moved here because I was lucky enough to marry a North Carolina native who was an ECC alum. Her family's ties to the school go back more than a century, as her mother was a grad of ECTTS in 1918.

There was no trolling here. I expressed an opinion in a hypothetical fantasy about where I thought ECU would be best suited. I don't expect it to ever happen. I believe ECU made a bad decision driven by fans whose motives were understandable, but IMO misguided and unwise. It's not the first time I've seen that happen to ECU. And if threads like this are any indication, it won't be the last.


So you wish that “your fondness team” be in a worst conference then pretty much all that are out there? Makes total sense.


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