(06-29-2019 12:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 12:25 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 10:55 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 10:10 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  3. Any reasonable doubt that the AAC was on-par with the Big East has been eliminated. If the on-court results, attendance, postseason success and ability to organize scheduling alliances with the B1G and Big 12 weren't already decisive indicators, the ability for the Big East to poach the top program from the American seals it.

4. With the loss of UConn to the Big East, there is an established separation between the established Basketball P6 (ACC, B1G, Big 12, Big East, PAC and SEC) and all other conferences. The AAC now lacks a power basketball program/blue blood to anchor itself with the rest. The ACC has UNC/Duke; the B1G has Michigan State/Indiana; the Big 12 has Kansas; the Big East has Villanova/UConn; the PAC has UCLA/Arizona; the SEC has Kentucky. With the loss of UConn, no AAC men's basketball program has won a national championship since 1962 (Cincinnati). Is it sure a multi-bid league? Sure - but it lacks programs that can consistently make deep runs in March and has a noticeably (and consistently) strong bottom (Tulane/ECU).

2018 final Net Rankings,

1 1 Virginia ACC 35-3 10-1 10-1 15-1 0-0
2 2 Gonzaga WCC 33-4 9-1 7-3 17-0 0-0
3 3 Duke ACC 32-6 7-2 10-2 15-2 0-0
4 6 Kentucky SEC 30-7 8-2 5-4 17-1 0-0
5 8 Michigan St. Big Ten 32-7 8-4 9-2 15-1 0-0
6 4 Houston AAC 33-4 11-1 3-2 19-1 0-0
7 10 Texas Tech Big 12 31-7 6-3 8-3 17-1 0-0
8 7 North Carolina ACC 29-7 11-1 4-4 14-2 0-0
9 5 Tennessee SEC 31-6 7-3 6-3 17-0 1-0
10 9 Michigan Big Ten 30-7 7-4 6-2 17-1 0-0
11 12 Purdue Big Ten 26-10 6-6 5-4 15-0 0-0
12 11 Virginia Tech ACC 26-9 5-5 7-2 14-2 0-0
13 18 Auburn SEC 30-10 4-6 11-2 14-2 1-0
14 13 Wofford SoCon 30-5 11-3 4-1 12-1 3-0
15 16 Florida St. ACC 29-8 6-4 8-3 15-1 0-0
16 14 LSU SEC 28-7 9-1 4-4 15-2 0-0
17 20 Kansas Big 12 26-10 3-8 6-2 17-0 0-0
18 15 Buffalo MAC 32-4 12-3 6-1 13-0 1-0
19 21 Iowa St. Big 12 23-12 5-6 6-2 12-4 0-0
20 17 Wisconsin Big Ten 23-11 8-5 3-3 12-3 0-0
21 19 Mississippi St. SEC 23-11 5-5 4-3 14-3 0-0
22 22 Louisville ACC 20-14 5-6 1-4 14-4 0-0
23 24 Kansas St. Big 12 25-9 7-5 4-2 14-2 0-0
24 25 Cincinnati AAC 28-7 7-4 5-1 16-2 0-0
25 27 Maryland Big Ten 23-11 6-5 2-3 15-3 0-0
26 30 UCF AAC 24-9 5-6 4-1 15-2 0-0
27 23 Nevada MWC 29-5 9-3 5-2 15-0 0-0
28 26 Villanova Big East 26-10 5-7 8-1 13-2 0-0
29 28 Marquette Big East 24-10 7-4 1-3 16-3 0-0
30 31 Florida SEC 20-16 5-6 6-4 9-6 0-0
31 29 Utah St. MWC 28-7 9-4 5-2 13-1 1-0
32 37 Oklahoma Big 12 20-14 5-7 4-3 11-4 0-0
33 38 Texas Big 12 21-16 2-8 4-2 15-6 0-0
34 39 Baylor Big 12 20-14 5-6 2-3 13-5 0-0
35 32 Saint Mary's (CA) WCC 22-12 5-5 3-4 14-3 0-0
36 33 NC State ACC 24-12 4-6 3-1 17-5 0-0
37 49 Lipscomb ASUN 29-8 14-4 1-1 12-3 2-0
38 34 VCU Atlantic 10 25-8 8-4 1-3 16-1 0-0
39 47 Belmont OVC 27-6 12-3 2-2 12-1 1-0
40 43 Iowa Big Ten 23-12 4-6 5-2 14-4 0-0
41 51 Oregon Pac-12 25-13 5-7 7-2 13-4 0-0
42 36 Ole Miss SEC 20-13 6-5 3-3 11-5 0-0
43 44 Murray St. OVC 28-5 10-3 3-1 13-1 2-0
44 45 Washington Pac-12 27-9 7-4 5-4 15-1 0-0
45 35 Clemson ACC 20-14 4-6 2-3 14-5 0-0
46 40 New Mexico St. WAC 30-5 10-2 4-2 14-1 2-0
47 52 TCU Big 12 23-14 3-7 5-2 15-5 0-0
48 46 Memphis AAC 22-14 3-8 1-3 18-3 0-0
49 50 Penn St. Big Ten 14-18 4-9 1-3 9-6 0-0
50 42 Syracuse ACC 20-14 6-4 1-4 13-6 0-0
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball...t-rankings

And of course the AAC finished above the Pac 12.

Respectfully, while these NET rankings are accurate, one year's worth of NET rankings are not used to qualify the value and perception of a conference. If Houston was #4 overall in NET, and failed to advance past the Sweet 16, does that mean they under-performed in the tournament? The obvious answer is no (they lost to a higher seed, Kentucky). NET is a single season-based metric; it does not utilize program history, attendance or fan support in its rankings; thus, it is a poor indicator to judge the value or perception of a program or a conference.

From the same point of view, Buffalo should be considered a top basketball program; while they had a strong season last year, one season in an advanced metric does not elevate a program into a top/superior program.

There's no reason to be respectful, as his data is absurd.

The fact is, the Big East has finished ahead of the AAC in RPI all six years since the split, and in NET this past season as well.

The next time the AAC is better than the Big East in hoops will be the first time.

As for beating out P5 schools, the AAC has done that only one time in six years, this year over the PAC, but the PAC was historically awful.

In contrast, the Big East has beaten out at least one P5 conference - and sometimes two or three - every single year since the split.

Nobody knows what will happen in the future, but since the split the Big East has routed the AAC in basketball. Crushed it like a bug.

She mad lol

(06-29-2019 07:16 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 12:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 12:25 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 10:55 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 10:10 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  3. Any reasonable doubt that the AAC was on-par with the Big East has been eliminated. If the on-court results, attendance, postseason success and ability to organize scheduling alliances with the B1G and Big 12 weren't already decisive indicators, the ability for the Big East to poach the top program from the American seals it.

4. With the loss of UConn to the Big East, there is an established separation between the established Basketball P6 (ACC, B1G, Big 12, Big East, PAC and SEC) and all other conferences. The AAC now lacks a power basketball program/blue blood to anchor itself with the rest. The ACC has UNC/Duke; the B1G has Michigan State/Indiana; the Big 12 has Kansas; the Big East has Villanova/UConn; the PAC has UCLA/Arizona; the SEC has Kentucky. With the loss of UConn, no AAC men's basketball program has won a national championship since 1962 (Cincinnati). Is it sure a multi-bid league? Sure - but it lacks programs that can consistently make deep runs in March and has a noticeably (and consistently) strong bottom (Tulane/ECU).

2018 final Net Rankings,

1 1 Virginia ACC 35-3 10-1 10-1 15-1 0-0
2 2 Gonzaga WCC 33-4 9-1 7-3 17-0 0-0
3 3 Duke ACC 32-6 7-2 10-2 15-2 0-0
4 6 Kentucky SEC 30-7 8-2 5-4 17-1 0-0
5 8 Michigan St. Big Ten 32-7 8-4 9-2 15-1 0-0
6 4 Houston AAC 33-4 11-1 3-2 19-1 0-0
7 10 Texas Tech Big 12 31-7 6-3 8-3 17-1 0-0
8 7 North Carolina ACC 29-7 11-1 4-4 14-2 0-0
9 5 Tennessee SEC 31-6 7-3 6-3 17-0 1-0
10 9 Michigan Big Ten 30-7 7-4 6-2 17-1 0-0
11 12 Purdue Big Ten 26-10 6-6 5-4 15-0 0-0
12 11 Virginia Tech ACC 26-9 5-5 7-2 14-2 0-0
13 18 Auburn SEC 30-10 4-6 11-2 14-2 1-0
14 13 Wofford SoCon 30-5 11-3 4-1 12-1 3-0
15 16 Florida St. ACC 29-8 6-4 8-3 15-1 0-0
16 14 LSU SEC 28-7 9-1 4-4 15-2 0-0
17 20 Kansas Big 12 26-10 3-8 6-2 17-0 0-0
18 15 Buffalo MAC 32-4 12-3 6-1 13-0 1-0
19 21 Iowa St. Big 12 23-12 5-6 6-2 12-4 0-0
20 17 Wisconsin Big Ten 23-11 8-5 3-3 12-3 0-0
21 19 Mississippi St. SEC 23-11 5-5 4-3 14-3 0-0
22 22 Louisville ACC 20-14 5-6 1-4 14-4 0-0
23 24 Kansas St. Big 12 25-9 7-5 4-2 14-2 0-0
24 25 Cincinnati AAC 28-7 7-4 5-1 16-2 0-0
25 27 Maryland Big Ten 23-11 6-5 2-3 15-3 0-0
26 30 UCF AAC 24-9 5-6 4-1 15-2 0-0
27 23 Nevada MWC 29-5 9-3 5-2 15-0 0-0
28 26 Villanova Big East 26-10 5-7 8-1 13-2 0-0
29 28 Marquette Big East 24-10 7-4 1-3 16-3 0-0
30 31 Florida SEC 20-16 5-6 6-4 9-6 0-0
31 29 Utah St. MWC 28-7 9-4 5-2 13-1 1-0
32 37 Oklahoma Big 12 20-14 5-7 4-3 11-4 0-0
33 38 Texas Big 12 21-16 2-8 4-2 15-6 0-0
34 39 Baylor Big 12 20-14 5-6 2-3 13-5 0-0
35 32 Saint Mary's (CA) WCC 22-12 5-5 3-4 14-3 0-0
36 33 NC State ACC 24-12 4-6 3-1 17-5 0-0
37 49 Lipscomb ASUN 29-8 14-4 1-1 12-3 2-0
38 34 VCU Atlantic 10 25-8 8-4 1-3 16-1 0-0
39 47 Belmont OVC 27-6 12-3 2-2 12-1 1-0
40 43 Iowa Big Ten 23-12 4-6 5-2 14-4 0-0
41 51 Oregon Pac-12 25-13 5-7 7-2 13-4 0-0
42 36 Ole Miss SEC 20-13 6-5 3-3 11-5 0-0
43 44 Murray St. OVC 28-5 10-3 3-1 13-1 2-0
44 45 Washington Pac-12 27-9 7-4 5-4 15-1 0-0
45 35 Clemson ACC 20-14 4-6 2-3 14-5 0-0
46 40 New Mexico St. WAC 30-5 10-2 4-2 14-1 2-0
47 52 TCU Big 12 23-14 3-7 5-2 15-5 0-0
48 46 Memphis AAC 22-14 3-8 1-3 18-3 0-0
49 50 Penn St. Big Ten 14-18 4-9 1-3 9-6 0-0
50 42 Syracuse ACC 20-14 6-4 1-4 13-6 0-0
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball...t-rankings

And of course the AAC finished above the Pac 12.

Respectfully, while these NET rankings are accurate, one year's worth of NET rankings are not used to qualify the value and perception of a conference. If Houston was #4 overall in NET, and failed to advance past the Sweet 16, does that mean they under-performed in the tournament? The obvious answer is no (they lost to a higher seed, Kentucky). NET is a single season-based metric; it does not utilize program history, attendance or fan support in its rankings; thus, it is a poor indicator to judge the value or perception of a program or a conference.

From the same point of view, Buffalo should be considered a top basketball program; while they had a strong season last year, one season in an advanced metric does not elevate a program into a top/superior program.

There's no reason to be respectful, as his data is absurd.

The fact is, the Big East has finished ahead of the AAC in RPI all six years since the split, and in NET this past season as well.

The next time the AAC is better than the Big East in hoops will be the first time.

As for beating out P5 schools, the AAC has done that only one time in six years, this year over the PAC, but the PAC was historically awful.

In contrast, the Big East has beaten out at least one P5 conference - and sometimes two or three - every single year since the split.

Nobody knows what will happen in the future, but since the split the Big East has routed the AAC in basketball. Crushed it like a bug.

She mad lol

It is all the only thing you need to know about Quo Troll.

(06-29-2019 07:18 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 07:16 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 12:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 12:25 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 10:55 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  2018 final Net Rankings,

1 1 Virginia ACC 35-3 10-1 10-1 15-1 0-0
2 2 Gonzaga WCC 33-4 9-1 7-3 17-0 0-0
3 3 Duke ACC 32-6 7-2 10-2 15-2 0-0
4 6 Kentucky SEC 30-7 8-2 5-4 17-1 0-0
5 8 Michigan St. Big Ten 32-7 8-4 9-2 15-1 0-0
6 4 Houston AAC 33-4 11-1 3-2 19-1 0-0
7 10 Texas Tech Big 12 31-7 6-3 8-3 17-1 0-0
8 7 North Carolina ACC 29-7 11-1 4-4 14-2 0-0
9 5 Tennessee SEC 31-6 7-3 6-3 17-0 1-0
10 9 Michigan Big Ten 30-7 7-4 6-2 17-1 0-0
11 12 Purdue Big Ten 26-10 6-6 5-4 15-0 0-0
12 11 Virginia Tech ACC 26-9 5-5 7-2 14-2 0-0
13 18 Auburn SEC 30-10 4-6 11-2 14-2 1-0
14 13 Wofford SoCon 30-5 11-3 4-1 12-1 3-0
15 16 Florida St. ACC 29-8 6-4 8-3 15-1 0-0
16 14 LSU SEC 28-7 9-1 4-4 15-2 0-0
17 20 Kansas Big 12 26-10 3-8 6-2 17-0 0-0
18 15 Buffalo MAC 32-4 12-3 6-1 13-0 1-0
19 21 Iowa St. Big 12 23-12 5-6 6-2 12-4 0-0
20 17 Wisconsin Big Ten 23-11 8-5 3-3 12-3 0-0
21 19 Mississippi St. SEC 23-11 5-5 4-3 14-3 0-0
22 22 Louisville ACC 20-14 5-6 1-4 14-4 0-0
23 24 Kansas St. Big 12 25-9 7-5 4-2 14-2 0-0
24 25 Cincinnati AAC 28-7 7-4 5-1 16-2 0-0
25 27 Maryland Big Ten 23-11 6-5 2-3 15-3 0-0
26 30 UCF AAC 24-9 5-6 4-1 15-2 0-0
27 23 Nevada MWC 29-5 9-3 5-2 15-0 0-0
28 26 Villanova Big East 26-10 5-7 8-1 13-2 0-0
29 28 Marquette Big East 24-10 7-4 1-3 16-3 0-0
30 31 Florida SEC 20-16 5-6 6-4 9-6 0-0
31 29 Utah St. MWC 28-7 9-4 5-2 13-1 1-0
32 37 Oklahoma Big 12 20-14 5-7 4-3 11-4 0-0
33 38 Texas Big 12 21-16 2-8 4-2 15-6 0-0
34 39 Baylor Big 12 20-14 5-6 2-3 13-5 0-0
35 32 Saint Mary's (CA) WCC 22-12 5-5 3-4 14-3 0-0
36 33 NC State ACC 24-12 4-6 3-1 17-5 0-0
37 49 Lipscomb ASUN 29-8 14-4 1-1 12-3 2-0
38 34 VCU Atlantic 10 25-8 8-4 1-3 16-1 0-0
39 47 Belmont OVC 27-6 12-3 2-2 12-1 1-0
40 43 Iowa Big Ten 23-12 4-6 5-2 14-4 0-0
41 51 Oregon Pac-12 25-13 5-7 7-2 13-4 0-0
42 36 Ole Miss SEC 20-13 6-5 3-3 11-5 0-0
43 44 Murray St. OVC 28-5 10-3 3-1 13-1 2-0
44 45 Washington Pac-12 27-9 7-4 5-4 15-1 0-0
45 35 Clemson ACC 20-14 4-6 2-3 14-5 0-0
46 40 New Mexico St. WAC 30-5 10-2 4-2 14-1 2-0
47 52 TCU Big 12 23-14 3-7 5-2 15-5 0-0
48 46 Memphis AAC 22-14 3-8 1-3 18-3 0-0
49 50 Penn St. Big Ten 14-18 4-9 1-3 9-6 0-0
50 42 Syracuse ACC 20-14 6-4 1-4 13-6 0-0
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball...t-rankings

And of course the AAC finished above the Pac 12.

Respectfully, while these NET rankings are accurate, one year's worth of NET rankings are not used to qualify the value and perception of a conference. If Houston was #4 overall in NET, and failed to advance past the Sweet 16, does that mean they under-performed in the tournament? The obvious answer is no (they lost to a higher seed, Kentucky). NET is a single season-based metric; it does not utilize program history, attendance or fan support in its rankings; thus, it is a poor indicator to judge the value or perception of a program or a conference.

From the same point of view, Buffalo should be considered a top basketball program; while they had a strong season last year, one season in an advanced metric does not elevate a program into a top/superior program.

There's no reason to be respectful, as his data is absurd.

The fact is, the Big East has finished ahead of the AAC in RPI all six years since the split, and in NET this past season as well.

The next time the AAC is better than the Big East in hoops will be the first time.

As for beating out P5 schools, the AAC has done that only one time in six years, this year over the PAC, but the PAC was historically awful.

In contrast, the Big East has beaten out at least one P5 conference - and sometimes two or three - every single year since the split.

Nobody knows what will happen in the future, but since the split the Big East has routed the AAC in basketball. Crushed it like a bug.

She mad lol

It is all the only thing you need to know about Quo Troll.

This ^^^

(06-29-2019 11:23 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 10:45 AM)panite Wrote:  Please provide the link where ESPN THREATENED the B-12 with dissolution if they expanded with AAC teams.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/co...y,amp.html

Quote:The networks have not been keen on the idea of paying the Big 12 to add schools.

"We don't think expansion in the Big 12 is a good idea for the conference. We think it will be dilutive to the product in the short term. In the long term, it's probably harmful to the future of the conference," Fox Sports President Eric Shanks said earlier this month at Sports Media and Technology conference, according to the Sports Business Journal.

The feedback they got from ESPN was similar. You don't get much more "shots fired" than the president of a TV network going on-record with a national paper saying the future of the conference would be in jeopardy.

ESPN was actually pushing for the Big 12 to add BYU and Boise State with a couple of AAC teams. ESPN needed content for the Longhorn Network that the G5 schools would be willing to have games on the Horns. The problem was Fox was driven the boat to a point that ruined ESPN's plans by dropping Memphis and Boise State which those are 2 that ESPN wanted. That is when they said no when Rice, Tulane and SMU were finalists. Those 3 do not have the fanbase that Boise State and Memphis had. Or ECU.

(06-29-2019 07:16 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 12:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  There's no reason to be respectful, as his data is absurd.

The fact is, the Big East has finished ahead of the AAC in RPI all six years since the split, and in NET this past season as well.

The next time the AAC is better than the Big East in hoops will be the first time.

As for beating out P5 schools, the AAC has done that only one time in six years, this year over the PAC, but the PAC was historically awful.

In contrast, the Big East has beaten out at least one P5 conference - and sometimes two or three - every single year since the split.

Nobody knows what will happen in the future, but since the split the Big East has routed the AAC in basketball. Crushed it like a bug.

She mad lol

Sounds more like gloating about the superiority of the Big East to the AAC in BBall.

Lotta delusional AAC fans around here.

(06-29-2019 09:49 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Lotta delusional AAC fans around here.

We got better when Rutgers left and will too with UCONN gone

(06-29-2019 09:50 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 09:49 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Lotta delusional AAC fans around here.

We got better when Rutgers left and will too with UCONN gone

Yeah, sure you did. Whatever gets you through these trying times.

It’s about time Cincinnati and Memphis get back to that early 1990’s level of greatness when the rivalry was very heated. Temple and Houston are historical good programs but for different reasons. That core with Wichita State need to play at their historic levels and the American is going to be fine in basketball.

(06-29-2019 09:50 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 09:49 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Lotta delusional AAC fans around here.

We got better when Rutgers left and will too with UCONN gone

What happens when the Texoma 4/Kansas/West Virginia leave for the SEC/ACC/?

Does SMU make the cut to join UH in the Big 12 with TCU, Baylor, Iowa St, and Kansas St?

(06-29-2019 10:06 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 09:50 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 09:49 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Lotta delusional AAC fans around here.

We got better when Rutgers left and will too with UCONN gone

What happens when the Texoma 4/Kansas/West Virginia leave for the SEC/ACC/?

Does SMU make the cut to join UH in the Big 12 with TCU, Baylor, Iowa St, and Kansas St?

Tech will be there with us my brother

(06-29-2019 09:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 11:23 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 10:45 AM)panite Wrote:  Please provide the link where ESPN THREATENED the B-12 with dissolution if they expanded with AAC teams.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/co...y,amp.html

Quote:The networks have not been keen on the idea of paying the Big 12 to add schools.

"We don't think expansion in the Big 12 is a good idea for the conference. We think it will be dilutive to the product in the short term. In the long term, it's probably harmful to the future of the conference," Fox Sports President Eric Shanks said earlier this month at Sports Media and Technology conference, according to the Sports Business Journal.

The feedback they got from ESPN was similar. You don't get much more "shots fired" than the president of a TV network going on-record with a national paper saying the future of the conference would be in jeopardy.

ESPN was actually pushing for the Big 12 to add BYU and Boise State with a couple of AAC teams. ESPN needed content for the Longhorn Network that the G5 schools would be willing to have games on the Horns. The problem was Fox was driven the boat to a point that ruined ESPN's plans by dropping Memphis and Boise State which those are 2 that ESPN wanted. That is when they said no when Rice, Tulane and SMU were finalists. Those 3 do not have the fanbase that Boise State and Memphis had. Or ECU.

Well, none of that is true, but sure.

(06-29-2019 10:07 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 10:06 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 09:50 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 09:49 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Lotta delusional AAC fans around here.

We got better when Rutgers left and will too with UCONN gone

What happens when the Texoma 4/Kansas/West Virginia leave for the SEC/ACC/?

Does SMU make the cut to join UH in the Big 12 with TCU, Baylor, Iowa St, and Kansas St?

Tech will be there with us my brother

Just like Beard was leaving for UT?

I'm confident SMU will beg TCU, Baylor and UH for a spot in the Big 12 after the desirable schools leave.

(06-29-2019 10:17 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 09:19 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 11:23 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 10:45 AM)panite Wrote:  Please provide the link where ESPN THREATENED the B-12 with dissolution if they expanded with AAC teams.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/co...y,amp.html

Quote:The networks have not been keen on the idea of paying the Big 12 to add schools.

"We don't think expansion in the Big 12 is a good idea for the conference. We think it will be dilutive to the product in the short term. In the long term, it's probably harmful to the future of the conference," Fox Sports President Eric Shanks said earlier this month at Sports Media and Technology conference, according to the Sports Business Journal.

The feedback they got from ESPN was similar. You don't get much more "shots fired" than the president of a TV network going on-record with a national paper saying the future of the conference would be in jeopardy.

ESPN was actually pushing for the Big 12 to add BYU and Boise State with a couple of AAC teams. ESPN needed content for the Longhorn Network that the G5 schools would be willing to have games on the Horns. The problem was Fox was driven the boat to a point that ruined ESPN's plans by dropping Memphis and Boise State which those are 2 that ESPN wanted. That is when they said no when Rice, Tulane and SMU were finalists. Those 3 do not have the fanbase that Boise State and Memphis had. Or ECU.

Well, none of that is true, but sure.

He has free reign to live in a fantasy world.

(06-29-2019 10:00 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  It’s about time Cincinnati and Memphis get back to that early 1990’s level of greatness when the rivalry was very heated. Temple and Houston are historical good programs but for different reasons. That core with Wichita State need to play at their historic levels and the American is going to be fine in basketball.

Temple and Cincinnati are probably all time top 15 wins in all of college basketball. Memphis is back although this time with UK level recruiting. Houston, UCF, WSU are rock solid. People think because IU or Georgetown did that or UCLA 30 years ago it matters. It doesn't.

(06-29-2019 10:22 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 10:07 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 10:06 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 09:50 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 09:49 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Lotta delusional AAC fans around here.

We got better when Rutgers left and will too with UCONN gone

What happens when the Texoma 4/Kansas/West Virginia leave for the SEC/ACC/?

Does SMU make the cut to join UH in the Big 12 with TCU, Baylor, Iowa St, and Kansas St?

Tech will be there with us my brother

Just like Beard was leaving for UT?

I'm confident SMU will beg TCU, Baylor and UH for a spot in the Big 12 after the desirable schools leave.

Everything is classic level trolling. As opposed to saying TT with Beard is a different animal it is blah blah blah. Same deal with Sampson at Houston.

(06-29-2019 10:22 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  I'm confident SMU will beg TCU, Baylor and UH for a spot in the Big 12 after the desirable schools leave.

Damn straight they will ... TCU, Baylor, UH, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State ... just those alone are the backbone of a fine conference most any Go5 school close enough would love to join.

Heck, if they hold onto the "Power Conference" tag, BYU would be in the mix as well.

(06-29-2019 10:33 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 10:00 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  It’s about time Cincinnati and Memphis get back to that early 1990’s level of greatness when the rivalry was very heated. Temple and Houston are historical good programs but for different reasons. That core with Wichita State need to play at their historic levels and the American is going to be fine in basketball.

Temple and Cincinnati are probably all time top 15 wins in all of college basketball. Memphis is back although this time with UK level recruiting. Houston, UCF, WSU are rock solid. People think because IU or Georgetown did that or UCLA 30 years ago it matters. It doesn't.

Keep trying to convince yourself. You’re not convincing us. Houston makes the tournament 2 years in a row and now they’re a basketball power? Memphis hasn’t made the tournament in years. I have zero faith in Penny as a coach, talent isn’t enough to win. Temple is an A10 level program.

Cincinnati is the only team worth a damn. You know your administration would leave these CUSA teams in a heartbeat if anyone offered a lifeboat! Must be an uncomfortable feeling to share a conference with a group of schools that are willing to jump at the slightest interest from a power conference.

(06-29-2019 10:52 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 10:33 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 10:00 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  It’s about time Cincinnati and Memphis get back to that early 1990’s level of greatness when the rivalry was very heated. Temple and Houston are historical good programs but for different reasons. That core with Wichita State need to play at their historic levels and the American is going to be fine in basketball.

Temple and Cincinnati are probably all time top 15 wins in all of college basketball. Memphis is back although this time with UK level recruiting. Houston, UCF, WSU are rock solid. People think because IU or Georgetown did that or UCLA 30 years ago it matters. It doesn't.

Keep trying to convince yourself. You’re not convincing us. Houston makes the tournament 2 years in a row and now they’re a basketball power? Memphis hasn’t made the tournament in years. I have zero faith in Penny as a coach, talent isn’t enough to win. Temple is an A10 level program.

Cincinnati is the only team worth a damn. You know your administration would leave these CUSA teams in a heartbeat if anyone offered a lifeboat! Must be an uncomfortable feeling to share a conference with a group of schools that are willing to jump at the slightest interest from a power conference.

LOL being a UC fan and graduate is always an uphill battle. It is part of the fun and journey, there are no uncomfortable feelings. If you think Memphis is going to be silent ....... don't bet on that.

(06-29-2019 10:52 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 10:33 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 10:00 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  It’s about time Cincinnati and Memphis get back to that early 1990’s level of greatness when the rivalry was very heated. Temple and Houston are historical good programs but for different reasons. That core with Wichita State need to play at their historic levels and the American is going to be fine in basketball.

Temple and Cincinnati are probably all time top 15 wins in all of college basketball. Memphis is back although this time with UK level recruiting. Houston, UCF, WSU are rock solid. People think because IU or Georgetown did that or UCLA 30 years ago it matters. It doesn't.

Keep trying to convince yourself. You’re not convincing us. Houston makes the tournament 2 years in a row and now they’re a basketball power? Memphis hasn’t made the tournament in years. I have zero faith in Penny as a coach, talent isn’t enough to win. Temple is an A10 level program.

Cincinnati is the only team worth a damn. You know your administration would leave these CUSA teams in a heartbeat if anyone offered a lifeboat! Must be an uncomfortable feeling to share a conference with a group of schools that are willing to jump at the slightest interest from a power conference.

1. No, Houston hired a hall of fame coach and started actually giving a **** about its basketball again, thats why its becoming a power. Which historically we were for 30 years. We'll be in the tourney again this year and the next as well. Sampson has done an amazing rebuilding job and he's done it the right way, so it'll be sustainable even once he retires.

2. Top talent is enough to win games. At literally any level, but they're working with more than that. Penny can coach. Memphis may not win a title next year but they will damn sure be a team in the hunt for one. Scariest thing about Memphis right now, is if Penny really does kill it there, he's not going to get poached. He loves Memphis way too much. He could genuinely take Memphis into that next tier of programs (i.e. the Louisville, Arizona level).

3. Temple is one of the winning-est programs of all time. They have a solid brand in the NE and a respectable tradition. They're also finally moving past Fran Dunphy, who frankly, hung on a little bit longer than he should. If they were in the A10 presently, they'd be the conferences biggest brand and best team, as opposed to a middle of the pack team in the American.

4. Of course every team in the American would leave for a P5 conference. Programs are always looking for greener pastures. You think most of the Big 12 teams wouldn't leave for the SEC or BIG10 if the conferences came calling? Of course they would. Same **** with the American, but thats a hypothetical. Until it actually happens, its a non factor.