(06-29-2019 10:42 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 10:28 PM)NoDak Wrote:  A single sport league only needs six teams to have an autobid if they have been together two years. Since the departing schools have been together in hockey for six years, they will immediately get an autobid.

What’s left of the WCHA maintains its bid for two years as long as it doesn’t fall below four teams, but needs to get to six to go off probation.

Arizona St could save UAA, UAF, And UAH’s bid by going to four.

But why would Arizona State do that? These schools are definitely in a bad spot.

The only rational I can see would be to grab the autobid for themselves. But three conference mates is not the biggest help with building a schedule.

(07-02-2019 07:59 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 10:42 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 10:28 PM)NoDak Wrote:  A single sport league only needs six teams to have an autobid if they have been together two years. Since the departing schools have been together in hockey for six years, they will immediately get an autobid.

What’s left of the WCHA maintains its bid for two years as long as it doesn’t fall below four teams, but needs to get to six to go off probation.

Arizona St could save UAA, UAF, And UAH’s bid by going to four.

But why would Arizona State do that? These schools are definitely in a bad spot.

The only rational I can see would be to grab the autobid for themselves. But three conference mates is not the biggest help with building a schedule.

Ariz St would essentially set up on autobid for PAC12 or western schools, which normally would take six independent teams and two years.

The shell of the WCHA could be very influential for schools to start earlier.

(07-02-2019 08:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 07:59 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 10:42 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 10:28 PM)NoDak Wrote:  A single sport league only needs six teams to have an autobid if they have been together two years. Since the departing schools have been together in hockey for six years, they will immediately get an autobid.

What’s left of the WCHA maintains its bid for two years as long as it doesn’t fall below four teams, but needs to get to six to go off probation.

Arizona St could save UAA, UAF, And UAH’s bid by going to four.

But why would Arizona State do that? These schools are definitely in a bad spot.

The only rational I can see would be to grab the autobid for themselves. But three conference mates is not the biggest help with building a schedule.

Ariz St would essentially set up on autobid for PAC12 or western schools, which normally would take six independent teams and two years.

The shell of the WCHA could be very influential for schools to start earlier.

Yeah, I know discussion of these kind of shell games is quite popular at times over at the Conference Realignment board. But getting two more programs going in the next four years is a bit of a speculation ... seems the prospect of one or both autobids in the two years before the grace period expires would be would be a better odds bet.

(07-03-2019 08:20 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 08:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 07:59 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-29-2019 10:42 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 10:28 PM)NoDak Wrote:  A single sport league only needs six teams to have an autobid if they have been together two years. Since the departing schools have been together in hockey for six years, they will immediately get an autobid.

What’s left of the WCHA maintains its bid for two years as long as it doesn’t fall below four teams, but needs to get to six to go off probation.

Arizona St could save UAA, UAF, And UAH’s bid by going to four.

But why would Arizona State do that? These schools are definitely in a bad spot.

The only rational I can see would be to grab the autobid for themselves. But three conference mates is not the biggest help with building a schedule.

Ariz St would essentially set up on autobid for PAC12 or western schools, which normally would take six independent teams and two years.

The shell of the WCHA could be very influential for schools to start earlier.

Yeah, I know discussion of these kind of shell games is quite popular at times over at the Conference Realignment board. But getting two more programs going in the next four years is a bit of a speculation ... seems the prospect of one or both autobids in the two years before the grace period expires would be would be a better odds bet.

Simon Fraser could have been asking for entry but the WCHA turned them down. Having 11 schools with more in the West could make travel worse unless there were even divisions. But why wouldn’t the eastern teams split off before that happens.

Arizona St had the NCHC looking at them but they don’t have a decent sized arena yet and haven’t even started construction. There could be as many as five schools right out of the hatch.

So when did this turn into the conference realignment board????

(07-04-2019 06:08 PM)utpotts Wrote:  So when did this turn into the conference realignment board????

When posters asked why the Alaska’s weren’t kicked out. The shady seven will immediately get autobid under NCAA rules. The UA’s will maintain the autobid for two years if they go to four and then go to six to years later.

Leaving the WCHA was an act of mercy toward the UA’s by the so-called Shady Seven.

(07-04-2019 08:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 06:08 PM)utpotts Wrote:  So when did this turn into the conference realignment board????

When posters asked why the Alaska’s weren’t kicked out. The shady seven will immediately get autobid under NCAA rules. The UA’s will maintain the autobid for two years if they go to four and then go to six to years later.

Leaving the WCHA was an act of mercy toward the UA’s by the so-called Shady Seven.

Just stop..... no one is heart broken. Go throw this crap up on the realignment board. Ohhhhhh wait......

(07-04-2019 08:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 06:08 PM)utpotts Wrote:  So when did this turn into the conference realignment board????

When posters asked why the Alaska’s weren’t kicked out. The shady seven will immediately get autobid under NCAA rules. The UA’s will maintain the autobid for two years if they go to four and then go to six to years later.

Leaving the WCHA was an act of mercy toward the UA’s by the so-called Shady Seven.

But the only clearly on-topic conference realignment question here is what the "New CCHA" does with it's open eight spot (or open 8-10th spot, if it wants to expand further), since there will be a MAC school in that conference.

Over and above the credibility of these speculations about what happens to the shell of the WCHA ... they appear in any event to be largely off-topic for a MAC board, since it won't involve Bowling Green, Miami or WMU.

If there is no more to say about the future of the "New CCHA Seven" until more news comes out, it would be a fine thing to lock this thread to prevent it devolving into further off-topic conference realignment speculation.

(07-04-2019 06:08 PM)utpotts Wrote:  So when did this turn into the conference realignment board????

(07-04-2019 10:39 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  If there is no more to say about the future of the "New CCHA Seven" until more news comes out, it would be a fine thing to lock this thread to prevent it devolving into further off-topic conference realignment speculation.

The creation of a new CCHA is of obvious possible relevance to every MAC hockey school, since all the MAC hockey schools may one day be in it. I'm mystified that some see this thread is inappropriate.

Just don't read it if you don't like it? It's fully relevant to three MAC schools even though they aren't joining.

I hope the Alaska schools land on their feet but I don't see it. That's more the idiot we now have as a governor's fault than the seven schools in question.

(07-04-2019 10:39 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 08:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 06:08 PM)utpotts Wrote:  So when did this turn into the conference realignment board????

When posters asked why the Alaska’s weren’t kicked out. The shady seven will immediately get autobid under NCAA rules. The UA’s will maintain the autobid for two years if they go to four and then go to six to years later.

Leaving the WCHA was an act of mercy toward the UA’s by the so-called Shady Seven.

But the only clearly on-topic conference realignment question here is what the "New CCHA" does with it's open eight spot (or open 8-10th spot, if it wants to expand further), since there will be a MAC school in that conference.

Over and above the credibility of these speculations about what happens to the shell of the WCHA ... they appear in any event to be largely off-topic for a MAC board, since it won't involve Bowling Green, Miami or WMU.

If there is no more to say about the future of the "New CCHA Seven" until more news comes out, it would be a fine thing to lock this thread to prevent it devolving into further off-topic conference realignment speculation.

The eighth school will be St Thomas, which will move up to DII and take their hockey squad to DI.

St Thomas has multiple times the endowment of Providence and more than double its enrollment.

(07-05-2019 08:30 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  The creation of a new CCHA is of obvious possible relevance to every MAC hockey school, since all the MAC hockey schools may one day be in it. I'm mystified that some see this thread is inappropriate.

I was referring to the discussion moving away from from the topic of the creation of a new CCHA ...

... and into the speculation on the use of the WCHA to create a future new western conference.

That's the discussion that is not really on topic. Real news about movement in that direction might be of some relevance, but in the absence of news, idle speculation about the various possible uses of the NCAA status of the WCHA has little likelihood of being of any relevance to the Broncos, the Falcons or to my Redhawks hockey team.

I apologize for giving into the temptation to start delving into it.

(07-06-2019 01:36 AM)NoDak Wrote:  The eighth school will be St Thomas, which will move up to DII and take their hockey squad to DI.

St Thomas has multiple times the endowment of Providence and more than double its enrollment.

I see the Minneapolis Star-Tribune raised that possibility in the past week. It will only make sense for the new CCHA if Minnesota State and Bemidji State remain in it.

I imagine the first step here is to first figure out what Miami and Western Michigan want to do. Fans of those schools seem pretty certain they'll want to stay put in the NCHC, but I'm not sure that's an absolute lock. I would expect both schools to at least run the numbers and give it some thought. A trade of Miami and Western Michigan for Minnesota State and Bemidji State would probably ease travel costs for everyone involved.

We will see, I guess.

Wait -> People are complaining we're talking about how the WCHA's Death will affect BGSU and could possibly affect WMU and Miami????

(07-06-2019 09:18 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(07-06-2019 01:36 AM)NoDak Wrote:  The eighth school will be St Thomas, which will move up to DII and take their hockey squad to DI.

St Thomas has multiple times the endowment of Providence and more than double its enrollment.

I see the Minneapolis Star-Tribune raised that possibility in the past week. It will only make sense for the new CCHA if Minnesota State and Bemidji State remain in it.

I imagine the first step here is to first figure out what Miami and Western Michigan want to do. Fans of those schools seem pretty certain they'll want to stay put in the NCHC, but I'm not sure that's an absolute lock. I would expect both schools to at least run the numbers and give it some thought. A trade of Miami and Western Michigan for Minnesota State and Bemidji State would probably ease travel costs for everyone involved.

We will see, I guess.

There has been rumors that Minn-Crookston, Minot St and U of Mary will start DI hockey. Min-Crookston used to have a DII team but dropped it when DII dropped its championship. But the state built a new arena there and it doesn’t have a team except HS’s. The U Minn system is a lot more flexible and supportive on athletic spending than the Minn St system. All three schools have more interest in their club teams than most of their DII sports. All of them plus St Thomas, Bemidji St, and Mn St-Mankato would be in the same DII league.

Minot St won the DI club championship last year and several times previous.

The eastern side can get Oakland U, whenever they figure out an arena.

The new conference could then split into two and get two autobids.

(07-06-2019 10:15 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Wait -> People are complaining we're talking about how the WCHA's Death will affect BGSU and could possibly affect WMU and Miami????

The "New CCHA" itself is evidently on topic.

I don't think we are about to leave the NCHC. I don't know about the Broncos, but I credit Broncos hockey supporters if they don't expect WMU wants to move either. But it's still good news for MAC hockey if Bowling Green can get into a better situation without those three long and expensive trips, two of which are also very substantial drags on RPI.

But that wasn't the focus of the specific complaint, which was:

(07-04-2019 06:08 PM)utpotts Wrote:  So when did this turn into the conference realignment board????

... which followed on the speculation about the three remaining schools in the WCHA getting team A to join right away to hold the autobid and teams B and C (and maybe D and E) to start a hockey program or move up from Div3 to Div2 so they can move their hockey to Div1, yadda yadda yadda ...

... and I took to be directed TOWARD that kind of speculation ...

... and noting that this hypothetical "Rebooted WCHA" won't have as members either Bowling Green, Miami, or WMU, if the complaint is targeting that thread of the discussion, it has merit.

Dude, respectfully I say, give it up. College hockey is a small enough community that any realignment affects every school on some level. Schools potentially having to drop hockey is bad news for everyone.

(07-07-2019 07:05 AM)MacLord Wrote:  Dude, respectfully I say, give it up. College hockey is a small enough community that any realignment affects every school on some level. Schools potentially having to drop hockey is bad news for everyone.

Real conference realignment news, sure.

As far as unicorn and fairy dust conferences built from wishful thinking, my apology to utpotts stands.

(07-07-2019 07:37 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 07:05 AM)MacLord Wrote:  Dude, respectfully I say, give it up. College hockey is a small enough community that any realignment affects every school on some level. Schools potentially having to drop hockey is bad news for everyone.

Real conference realignment news, sure.

As far as unicorn and fairy dust conferences built from wishful thinking, my apology to utpotts stands.

Well, except that he clearly doesn't care about college hockey anyway. So he can avoid reading any of it (unicorn and fairy dust or not) by just not clicking.

(07-09-2019 06:37 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 07:37 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 07:05 AM)MacLord Wrote:  Dude, respectfully I say, give it up. College hockey is a small enough community that any realignment affects every school on some level. Schools potentially having to drop hockey is bad news for everyone.

Real conference realignment news, sure.

As far as unicorn and fairy dust conferences built from wishful thinking, my apology to utpotts stands.

Well, except that he clearly doesn't care about college hockey anyway. So he can avoid reading any of it (unicorn and fairy dust or not) by just not clicking.

It's the only college sport I actually root for my alma mater but, no, I don't care deeply for "college hockey" in the abstract. It would be nice if an Alaska team could be salvaged from the serious mess of Alaska's state budget, but I'm not emotionally invested enough to cling to the scenarios that NoDak is peddling.