(07-05-2019 04:47 PM)colohank Wrote: (07-05-2019 03:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (07-01-2019 11:36 PM)BruceMcF Wrote: (06-28-2019 01:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote: I think they will be fine as well.
Anyone who thinks UConn has given up on joining a P5 isn't thinking clearly. That's their end-goal.
I think claims of "Independence giving UConn a chance to rebuild their football" need to be attached with an explanation of how that actually works. It seems a bit of an Underpants Gnome plan.
If joining the P5 was UConn's end goal, then UConn would best serve that by showing an ability to compete at a high level in Basketball and an ability to keep their head above water in the toughest football competition outside of the P5.
That's WHY so many people are concluding that this signals UConn giving up on make a serious commitment to working toward a P5 bid ... because being in the AAC appears to be the best place to realize that goal. A school that needs to flee AAC level football competition in order for their football program to succeed does not make for the most promising P5 candidate.
The problem with this line of thought is that UConn has six years of experience in the AAC to disprove it.
For example, when the AAC was formed, UConn was universally regarded as the top candidate to get elevated to P5 status, and they were listed as one of 4 group A schools in the 2012 contract that could trigger ESPN reopening the contract should they leave.
But what did six years of the AAC yield for them? Terrible results on the field, enormous financial deficits, and brand erosion, as reports say that in the TV deal just negotiated, UConn was not among the 5 schools ESPN was concerned might leave.
So .... the AAC has not helped UConn, quite the opposite.
Other schools appear to be thriving in the AAC. If UConn wasn't able to, then the blame rests squarely on the folks in Storrs and maybe in the state capitol. Chronic budget woes and poor coaching choices in football and basketball, one after another, would have an adverse effect on any program. Geography played a role too, at least as regards football. I wish UConn all the best in its new conference.
that is odd considering in the thread about the Army coach saying they were not interested in joining the AAC there are a number of AAC fan girls saying that Army is just scared and they would suffer the same fate of starting to lose a lot more than they win just like Navy has done in the AAC
including replies that shoe the season records of Navy over the last few seasons
and I don't think that ECU is thriving in the AAC
Tulsa had a much better run in their last 10 seasons in the CUSA vs their first 5 in the AAC
after 20 seasons with only one winning season (6-5 in 1997) and one tie season (6-6 in 2006) SMU had 3 winning seasons and one tie season (7-7) in their final 4 years in CUSA and since joining the AAC they have had one winning season 7-6) in six years
that does not seem like thriving
so with UConn, Navy, ECU, Tulsa, and SMU that is 5 out of 12 programs that are not thriving in the AAC after a number of years
Tulane was bad in CUSA and they are still bad in the AAC....sure they had a pretty good year last year (by Tulane standards), but of course they were also 7-6 in their last year on CUSA as well before joining the AAC and rolling off 4 straight losing seasons before 7-6 last year
relative to their final few years in the Big East Cincy is hardly thriving in the AAC
8 seasons in the BE they had one losing season and they were ranked 4 times and as high as #8 in the final AP poll
in the AAC in 6 seasons they have had two losing seasons and they have been ranked one time #24 and they have had one double digit win season so far vs 5 in the BE....but they do have P6 helmet stickers and they can make excuses about the polls not giving the respect to the AAC that they did to the BE (not sure what the excuse is for the wins and losses, but I am sure there is one)
and while Memphis is doing much better on football in the AAC (so there is one out of 7 listed so far) their basketball has fallen off the map in the AAC.....so perhaps UConn had some concerns about that???
Temple with the same coach made the NCAAs 6 out of seven seasons in the A10....they have made it one time in 6 seasons in the AAC...and their football is doing only slightly better in the AAC vs in the MAC/BE
so not really sold on the "thriving' aspect of programs in the AAC relative to in other conferences and even a couple that were listed saw a pretty meaningful decline in the sport they were well known for prior to the AAC even if football has done better in the AAC