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Uconn Football Will Be Fine as an Independent
(06-28-2019 09:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
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(06-28-2019 09:23 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
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(06-28-2019 03:21 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  It's pretty obvious they've given up on UConn football at the very least. They've been consigned to oblivion. So they will continue to hemorrhage money but at a greater rate, and be in worse position to appear valuable to a P5 conference.

They just opened up a new locker room. So I give a no on that.

In case you haven't noticed, the AAC likes to spend tons of money on FB staffs, in upwards of 5 million as to what the other G5 leagues are spending. UConn realized it was a fools game.

If they haven't given up then they're just kidding themselves.

What is going to get UConn into the B1G or ACC is if the men's basketball program can revive to the Top 10 level.

FB just has to stay upright in that time.

The big 14 could have grabbed UConn a long time ago if they wanted them. Same with the ACC. Its a pipe dream.


At least someone makes sense. UConn just shot itself in the foot with no plan whatsoever.


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RE: Uconn Football Will Be Fine as an Independent
Basketball is better off even if Syracuse is in the ACC.
Football will do surprisingly the same maybe better.
U Mass has not had a run of success didn't have one in the MAC either.
Yet they have not folded and are growing their program.
For U Mass the A-10 and independence has not been a disaster .
Would MAC full membership have been a disaster for U Mass who knows.
The money difference A-10 vs MAC or Big East vs AAC about the same.

U Conn has the advantage of being in a P6 conference for basketball.
Being equal to the P5 programs with an independent football program.
Notre Dame has P6 membership with a scheduling agreement in football and ACC bowl access playoff access.
U Conn is far from the point of worrying about playoff access.
It could be a conference would look to add another power program before calling someone up.
Like C-USA taking a SBC team before and FCS call up.
U Conn like BYU counts as P5 for football scheduling that is big going forward.
I would not be surprised if independents get a better deal the next CFP contract.
U Conn, U Mass, NMSU, Army and BYU can argue for access to the Access Bowl. They compare favorably to the top of any G5 conference history wise and academically. Really NMSU could join the MVC and with a better CFP deal for independents and thrive.

The P5 make the rules treat the six independents as nearly equal to G5 makes sense.
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Said no one ever.
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(06-28-2019 10:38 PM)Bull Wrote:  No CCG, no chance for a NY6 bowl... nothing to play for unless you are 12-0. Sure...

No bowl tie ins, no TV deal for football.
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(06-28-2019 10:38 PM)Bull Wrote:  No CCG, no chance for a NY6 bowl... nothing to play for unless you are 12-0. Sure...

No bowl tie ins, no TV deal for football.

They'll have a TV deal for football. What it'll look like is up in the air, but SNY confirmed they'll be bidding on it.
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(06-29-2019 08:49 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 08:47 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(06-28-2019 10:38 PM)Bull Wrote:  No CCG, no chance for a NY6 bowl... nothing to play for unless you are 12-0. Sure...

No bowl tie ins, no TV deal for football.

They'll have a TV deal for football. What it'll look like is up in the air, but SNY confirmed they'll be bidding on it.

I figured something like that might happen. Only a local broadcast though? The SNY basketball stuff seems like a red herring, those are low major buy games that are also on ESPN3.
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You don't give up an FBS football program....its not a division you can just join. There's money to be made from such a program, they just need a bunch of good paying buy games and cut the staff. Hire a bunch of guys who just finished their grad asst. Or are very new to coaching and will take dirt cheap salaries....comparatively. It'll be a turnstile but being Indy and not being ND is kinda murder.

At the very least they can make it cash flow revenue neutral but get a boost from publicity. Everyone knows who Uconn is, and they will still lose a lot But they have a better than good academic rep for a public school and if they recruit at least partly like Yale they can get terrific mileage off of having brainiacs on their team---even playing.

And traveling to big name opponents will give them that viewership and if the game is 50-0 before halftime the heads have to talk about something. They'll flash some pics and stats up about how smart Uconns players are, likely plug the schools academic seriousness And this will draw the attention of ivory tower elves at Big 10 and Acc schools.

This is a Great position to be in if you're not P5.
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(06-28-2019 10:56 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  How bad will 2020 be?

UConn
09/03 - UMass
09/12 - at Illinois
09/19 - Maine
09/26 - Indiana

Maine could probably be moved later to say 10/17 (helps both Maine and UConn fill schedule holes)

targets for 9/19 would be to convince Southern Miss, Louisiana Tech to host UConn instead of an FCS team, or to bring Old Dominion to East Hartford, or just travel to Florida International who still need two opponents. Coastal Carolina is also possible. One of those Five is likely to work out.

Army 10/10 is an open date. Army has only 5 home games, but they always have Navy Neutral site. This would be logical first part of a series.

New Mexico State 11/28 in Las Cruces. New Mexico State has only 5 home games, and they play at Hawai'i. The weather is still good in Las Cruces and makes a good first stop for a series.

Villanova needs 3 non-conference games. This is the obvious go to as a Big East partner for a 2nd FCS. Slot theme wherever is needed.

Arkansas needs 2 OOC games, and they make sense around 11/7.

TCU also has two open dates, but probably only the 9/19 works. A week 0 game against a P5 school like TCU, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, or FSU is possible if anyone one of them is willing to forego playing an FCS school.

UCLA has the Hawai'i rule as well and only 6 home games. Since they are playing week 0 they should have two byes during the P12 conference schedule, in in October and one in November. They should be given a call to see if a game can be arraigned or a 2 for 1 series.

Both SMU and UCF have open dates they have to fill with an FBS school (can't use FCS). Theses are likely to fall early October. The question is will either help UConn, maybe swapping a series in Football for series in Men's and Women's Basketball. I woudl not count on it, but I'd ask.


So what do I see:

UConn
09/03 - UMass
09/12 - at Illinois
09/19 - (Old Domonion or at Florida International or similar G5)
09/26 - Indiana
10/03 - OPEN
10/10 - (at Army)
10/17 - Maine // moved from 9/9
10/24 - OPEN
10/31 - OPEN
11/07 - (at Arkansas)
11/14 - (Villanova)
11/21 - OPEN
11/28 - (at New Mexico State)

To get to 11, which is probably the minimum acceptable schedule, they need to find a game in October to buy out and play each side of the game, going to the one hosting that date and hosting the other on one of their open dates. The 12th logically would be some P5 UConn can find who would take them in place of some FCS school they have yet to sign.

A lot of things have to go right just to get the above. The AD will really have to work to get even half of the above.

2021 is better. There are multiple P5 schools at the level which UConn has gotten home and road series with open dates. Getting a couple series like the Indiana and Illinois in '19 and '20 goes a long way to fill the schedule with better opponents. Another year of lead time allows some G5 to agree to October games. UMass and NMSU should start filling November slots.


You need 5 FBS home games to remain at the FBS level.
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on future schedules TCU only has the Cal date set on 9-5, but the good news for UConn is TCU has 5 Big 12 home games that year so even though the Cal game is @Cal TCU could still play @UConn in 2020 and then have a "money game" at home for a 5th home game

the issue there is will TCU want to do that because Cal is a "P5" game, but a weak one and UConn will not be a great OOC game strength wise and a buy in game is no OOC strength help either

the real bad news for UConn with TCU is the TCU vs SMU game is @TCU this year so if they continue into 2020 then it would be @SMU.....so then TCU will surely not be willing to play @Cal, @SMU, @UConn......I suppose TCU could have some fun with SMU and see if they will sign a new deal that has SMU come right back to TCU again so that TCU can then go on the road to play UConn in 2020, but I doubt TCU will play games with SMU like that and I don't think SMU would accept anyway since their series has had recent breaks in it before

so most likely if UConn wants TCU in 2020 they will be playing @TCU
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I feel like UConn will make a big show of trying to get into CUSA or the MAC as a football only...when they get turned down they just shrug and say oh well lets go FCS and cut our football budget in half.

that's one way to save some money
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You know how people on message forums claim to have sources, so this is interesting. From the UConn forum

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I know I'll get crucified for this thread, but just passing along something I heard today, because it came from a very credible source. Largest private donor at Providence, directly involved in their athletic department and knows Tranghese well (who he says UConn hired as a consultant at some point) says he's 95%+ sure that UConn will be joining the NBE in 2021. Says the school gave Herbst the authority to do it on her way out the door, football will be killed so the next President doesn't have to deal with it and we'll move to the NBE. I couldn't believe it as I've heard nothing as specific about it, but this is a credible, connected guy.

All pile on now...

https://the-boneyard.com/threads/uconn-t...be.144423/
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(06-30-2019 01:10 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  You know how people on message forums claim to have sources, so this is interesting. From the UConn forum

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I know I'll get crucified for this thread, but just passing along something I heard today, because it came from a very credible source. Largest private donor at Providence, directly involved in their athletic department and knows Tranghese well (who he says UConn hired as a consultant at some point) says he's 95%+ sure that UConn will be joining the NBE in 2021. Says the school gave Herbst the authority to do it on her way out the door, football will be killed so the next President doesn't have to deal with it and we'll move to the NBE. I couldn't believe it as I've heard nothing as specific about it, but this is a credible, connected guy.

All pile on now...

https://the-boneyard.com/threads/uconn-t...be.144423/

I mean honestly, if ECU had an option to join a power football conference and all it had to do was a mercy killing on its basketball program I'd support that move 100% (and I say this as someone who's a big ECU basketball fan and wants it to be good more than anything). This only feels weird because no school in realignment has prioritized the long term health of hoops over football.
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That boneyard thread is gold BTW. It's amazing to read the opinions of how dumb they think that move would be and how disastrous it would be financially just a few weeks ago.
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(06-30-2019 01:37 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  That boneyard thread is gold BTW. It's amazing to read the opinions of how dumb they think that move would be and how disastrous it would be financially just a few weeks ago.

To be fair, that fan base is split. Many of the football fans hate the deal and many of the UConn basketball fans appear to be at a minimum---unconcerned about thier football program---others are downright hostile toward Husky football. Frankly, it really goes a long way in helping one understand why they made the move.
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(06-30-2019 01:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 01:37 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  That boneyard thread is gold BTW. It's amazing to read the opinions of how dumb they think that move would be and how disastrous it would be financially just a few weeks ago.

To be fair, that fan base is split. Many of the football fans hate the deal and many of the UConn basketball fans appear to be at a minimum---unconcerned about thier football program---others are downright hostile toward Husky football. Frankly, it really goes a long way in helping one understand why they made the move.

That seems to be the case.
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The trick in 2020 is to get 2 teams that are playing each other, to agree to both play UConn instead.

For example, Liberty is scheduled to play at Sryacuse on Oct 17 in 2020. Maybe Liberty could agree to play at UConn instead and Syracuse could agree to host UConn on Oct 17 instead. Since Liberty is an independent, Liberty could play at UConn in early December or maybe they could find another open date.

Assuming Liberty @ Cuse is a buy game,
Syracuse could pay Uconn what it was going to pay Liberty, and UConn could pay Liberty what Syracuse was going to pay Liberty.

EDIT: ok, I guess this was a 2 for 1 deal, with Cuse playing at Liberty in 2019 and Liberty playing at Cuse in 2020 and 2021.
but maybe a deal still could be worked out in 2020 where they each play Uconn instead.
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(06-30-2019 02:38 PM)goofus Wrote:  The trick in 2020 is to get 2 teams that are playing each other, to agree to both play UConn instead.

For example, Liberty is scheduled to play at Sryacuse on Oct 17 in 2020. Maybe Liberty could agree to play at UConn instead and Syracuse could agree to host UConn on Oct 17 instead. Since Liberty is an independent, Liberty could play at UConn in early December or maybe they could find another open date.

Assuming Liberty @ Cuse is a buy game,
Syracuse could pay Uconn what it was going to pay Liberty, and UConn could pay Liberty what Syracuse was going to pay Liberty.

EDIT: ok, I guess this was a 2 for 1 deal, with Cuse playing at Liberty in 2019 and Liberty playing at Cuse in 2020 and 2021.
but maybe a deal still could be worked out in 2020 where they each play Uconn instead.

No trick at all. Stay in the AAC for 2 years as an all sports member, collect CFP money, bowl distribution money, NCAA BB credits, a year of the new TV contract, and build an independent FB schedule for 2021 or break the news that UConn is dropping to FCS after the 2020 FB season. In the mean time UConn cuts that exit fee closer to the $10 million fee as they will only be a few months short of the required 27 month required notice. They are staying one year anyway. Why not 2 years. The AAC is not going to kick them out if they decide to stay more than one year. If they do the AAC won't receive any exit fees and won't have a leg to stand on in court if it tries to collect anything from UConn. It will be an unhappy marriage going forward for 2 years but most people will do anything where money is concerned even in a divorce. 04-jawdrop 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 03-drunk COGS COGS 04-cheers
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(06-30-2019 03:07 PM)panite Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 02:38 PM)goofus Wrote:  The trick in 2020 is to get 2 teams that are playing each other, to agree to both play UConn instead.

For example, Liberty is scheduled to play at Sryacuse on Oct 17 in 2020. Maybe Liberty could agree to play at UConn instead and Syracuse could agree to host UConn on Oct 17 instead. Since Liberty is an independent, Liberty could play at UConn in early December or maybe they could find another open date.

Assuming Liberty @ Cuse is a buy game,
Syracuse could pay Uconn what it was going to pay Liberty, and UConn could pay Liberty what Syracuse was going to pay Liberty.

EDIT: ok, I guess this was a 2 for 1 deal, with Cuse playing at Liberty in 2019 and Liberty playing at Cuse in 2020 and 2021.
but maybe a deal still could be worked out in 2020 where they each play Uconn instead.

No trick at all. Stay in the AAC for 2 years as an all sports member, collect CFP money, bowl distribution money, NCAA BB credits, a year of the new TV contract, and build an independent FB schedule for 2021 or break the news that UConn is dropping to FCS after the 2020 FB season. In the mean time UConn cuts that exit fee closer to the $10 million fee as they will only be a few months short of the required 27 month required notice. They are staying one year anyway. Why not 2 years. The AAC is not going to kick them out if they decide to stay more than one year. If they do the AAC won't receive any exit fees and won't have a leg to stand on in court if it tries to collect anything from UConn. It will be an unhappy marriage going forward for 2 years but most people will do anything where money is concerned even in a divorce. 04-jawdrop 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 03-drunk COGS COGS 04-cheers

10 Million exit fee remains in place even if UConn leaves after 2 years. If they want to play only 1 more season then something north of 10 Million will be agreed upon.
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(06-28-2019 09:27 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(06-28-2019 09:23 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
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(06-28-2019 03:21 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  It's pretty obvious they've given up on UConn football at the very least. They've been consigned to oblivion. So they will continue to hemorrhage money but at a greater rate, and be in worse position to appear valuable to a P5 conference.

They just opened up a new locker room. So I give a no on that.

In case you haven't noticed, the AAC likes to spend tons of money on FB staffs, in upwards of 5 million as to what the other G5 leagues are spending. UConn realized it was a fools game.

If they haven't given up then they're just kidding themselves.

What is going to get UConn into the B1G or ACC is if the men's basketball program can revive to the Top 10 level.

FB just has to stay upright in that time.

The only thing that's going to get UConn in the ACC is if enough of the football-first schools leave that Tobacco Road regains ironclad control of the conference. If that happens, it's debatable at that point if the ACC is a P5 conference.
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(06-30-2019 01:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 01:37 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  That boneyard thread is gold BTW. It's amazing to read the opinions of how dumb they think that move would be and how disastrous it would be financially just a few weeks ago.

To be fair, that fan base is split.
Many of the football fans hate the deal and many of the UConn basketball fans appear to be at a minimum---unconcerned about thier football program---others are downright hostile toward Husky football. Frankly, it really goes a long way in helping one understand why they made the move.

Well yes, in the sense that in 2011 the Texas A/M fan base was "split" between the 90% who were happy as hell to run to the SEC and the 10% Texas-oriented die-hards who lamented them leaving the Big 12.

It's not a 50/50 split, not close. 07-coffee3
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