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Quote:Aresco also said he doesn’t believe the school’s departure will hurt his league. He said no decisions have been made on whether the AAC will seek to replace UConn, though he said there have been a number of inquiries from other schools.

He also said the league would not prioritize the Northeast if it does decide to bring on a new member, emphasizing the AAC is a national brand.

“We’re moving forward,” he said. “None of our goals have changed one bit from this. We feel very confident because we’re strong and we’ve been strong. We’re focused on the future and this is not going to change anything for us in that regard.”

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Colorado State is not my first or second or even third pick, tbh.

But still, they’re a solid-ish program. It might work.
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The article doesn't even hint at Colorado State specifically.
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Where did he mention CSU?
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Bring on Hawai’i
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Colorado State is just a suggestion but it sounds like Aresco is completely open.

Open to the point where they could try to add a 12th basketball member but stay at 11 in FB.

Colorado State just opened a beautiful new 250 million dollar stadium. 40,000 seats that is AAC ready. They've got options if they want to park their Olympic sports in another place (Big Sky, Summit, WAC). Air Force I guess could do the same thing but might not be as comfortable downgrading their basketball conference.
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(06-27-2019 09:03 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The article doesn't even hint at Colorado State specifically.

In the fantasy world of realignment rumors, the fact that someone makes a public statement without specifically ruling out your particular school is the equivalent of saying they are on the short list for expansion.
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(06-27-2019 09:08 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Bring on Hawai’i

University of Guam would make an excellent travel partner with Hawai'i.

It's a nice trip for Hawai'i, because Hawai'i is about 1,000 miles closer to Guam than it is to AAC schools on the east coast.

Also, University of Guam is not in the Northeast, so according to KitCat it's on Aresco's short list. 01-wingedeagle
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(06-27-2019 09:25 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 09:08 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Bring on Hawai’i

University of Guam would make an excellent travel partner with Hawai'i.

It's a nice trip for Hawai'i, because Hawai'i is about 1,000 miles closer to Guam than it is to AAC schools on the east coast.

Also, University of Guam is not in the Northeast, so according to KitCat it's on Aresco's short list. 01-wingedeagle


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Colorado State would require taking their Basketball and Olympics. They are a school that is targeting the B12 or longer term the Pac-12. They cannot afford to put Basketball and Olympics in a lesser conference.
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(06-27-2019 09:50 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Colorado State would require taking their Basketball and Olympics. They are a school that is targeting the B12 or longer term the Pac-12. They cannot afford to put Basketball and Olympics in a lesser conference.

Colorado St would be unlikely to accept a football only invite. Their geography is workable for an all sports member—-it’s not like adding SDSU or Fresno. CSU seems legit like a pretty respectable addition. Not a home run—but they would be fairly reasonable fit in terms of brand, budget, academics, and performance.
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(06-27-2019 08:52 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
Quote:Aresco also said he doesn’t believe the school’s departure will hurt his league. He said no decisions have been made on whether the AAC will seek to replace UConn, though he said there have been a number of inquiries from other schools.

He also said the league would not prioritize the Northeast if it does decide to bring on a new member, emphasizing the AAC is a national brand.

“We’re moving forward,” he said. “None of our goals have changed one bit from this. We feel very confident because we’re strong and we’ve been strong. We’re focused on the future and this is not going to change anything for us in that regard.”

https://apnews.com/77e2027d1e5b4e6d975d8...ce=Twitter


Replace a Land Grant...….with another Land Grant.

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Aresco opened the door for every program from the other G5 conferences to convince the AAC that their program is the best fit. Colorado State has some things going for it, but I doubt they would accept a football only invitation if they are the only western program extended an invitation. They are just too far away to be an all sports member, and I doubt they want to be the program out on an island.

In the end the AAC will narrow their list to large public universities, from large media markets, that are proving they are investing in the athletics at a level similar to the members of the AAC. If BYU and Army say no, than there are only about 5 or 6 programs between the MWC and C-USA that will get a serious look. The rest are only getting lip service.
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(06-27-2019 10:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 08:52 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
Quote:Aresco also said he doesn’t believe the school’s departure will hurt his league. He said no decisions have been made on whether the AAC will seek to replace UConn, though he said there have been a number of inquiries from other schools.

He also said the league would not prioritize the Northeast if it does decide to bring on a new member, emphasizing the AAC is a national brand.

“We’re moving forward,” he said. “None of our goals have changed one bit from this. We feel very confident because we’re strong and we’ve been strong. We’re focused on the future and this is not going to change anything for us in that regard.”

https://apnews.com/77e2027d1e5b4e6d975d8...ce=Twitter


Replace a Land Grant...….with another Land Grant.

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Aresco opened the door for every program from the other G5 conferences to convince the AAC that their program is the best fit. Colorado State has some things going for it, but I doubt they would accept a football only invitation if they are the only western program extended an invitation. They are just too far away to be an all sports member, and I doubt they want to be the program out on an island.

In the end the AAC will narrow their list to large public universities, from large media markets, that are proving they are investing in the athletics at a level similar to the members of the AAC. If BYU and Army say no, than there are only about 5 or 6 programs between the MWC and C-USA that will get a serious look. The rest are only getting lip service.

It won’t be BYU or any MWC school. Nor any C-USA school that’s in Texas and Florida. Louisiana Tech, Marshall and Southern Miss kinda meet the football criteria but they don’t deliver a big market and their budgets are small compared to AAC standards. By Aresco saying “national” he means Army. If they say no then Old Dominion would get a closer look. Same for UAB. They’re doing the right things at the right time in football and they’re solid in basketball plus they have history with the C-USA 1.0 programs.
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I could see them pitch ESPN on a western division with adds:

- Colorado State
- Air Force
- BYU

And/or Boise/SDSU
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(06-27-2019 10:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 08:52 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
Quote:Aresco also said he doesn’t believe the school’s departure will hurt his league. He said no decisions have been made on whether the AAC will seek to replace UConn, though he said there have been a number of inquiries from other schools.

He also said the league would not prioritize the Northeast if it does decide to bring on a new member, emphasizing the AAC is a national brand.

“We’re moving forward,” he said. “None of our goals have changed one bit from this. We feel very confident because we’re strong and we’ve been strong. We’re focused on the future and this is not going to change anything for us in that regard.”

https://apnews.com/77e2027d1e5b4e6d975d8...ce=Twitter


Replace a Land Grant...….with another Land Grant.

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Aresco opened the door for every program from the other G5 conferences to convince the AAC that their program is the best fit. Colorado State has some things going for it, but I doubt they would accept a football only invitation if they are the only western program extended an invitation. They are just too far away to be an all sports member, and I doubt they want to be the program out on an island.

In the end the AAC will narrow their list to large public universities, from large media markets, that are proving they are investing in the athletics at a level similar to the members of the AAC. If BYU and Army say no, than there are only about 5 or 6 programs between the MWC and C-USA that will get a serious look. The rest are only getting lip service.

They arent really any farther away than UTEP is from much of the CUSA membership. Heck, LaTech spent years playing in the WAC as an all sports team. Is CSU's location ideal for an AAC all sports team? No, its probably not---but its workable.
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(06-27-2019 10:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 08:52 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
Quote:Aresco also said he doesn’t believe the school’s departure will hurt his league. He said no decisions have been made on whether the AAC will seek to replace UConn, though he said there have been a number of inquiries from other schools.

He also said the league would not prioritize the Northeast if it does decide to bring on a new member, emphasizing the AAC is a national brand.

“We’re moving forward,” he said. “None of our goals have changed one bit from this. We feel very confident because we’re strong and we’ve been strong. We’re focused on the future and this is not going to change anything for us in that regard.”

https://apnews.com/77e2027d1e5b4e6d975d8...ce=Twitter


Replace a Land Grant...….with another Land Grant.

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Aresco opened the door for every program from the other G5 conferences to convince the AAC that their program is the best fit. Colorado State has some things going for it, but I doubt they would accept a football only invitation if they are the only western program extended an invitation. They are just too far away to be an all sports member, and I doubt they want to be the program out on an island.

In the end the AAC will narrow their list to large public universities, from large media markets, that are proving they are investing in the athletics at a level similar to the members of the AAC. If BYU and Army say no, than there are only about 5 or 6 programs between the MWC and C-USA that will get a serious look. The rest are only getting lip service.

if they were smart they would look at anything but gross budget and they would instead look at ticket sales and contributions over multiple years and at the budget without academic subsidies and without student fees

then they would look at total program debt and cost to service that debt and the overall facilities

it is really not all that impressive or sustainable to have a very large amount of debt related to new facilities that just caught a program up to the lower baseline of the GS combined with high academic subsidies, high student fees and low contributions and low ticket sales

I am not going to name a particular program, but there is one in the AAC now catching heat because their administration is looking to have some of the new TV money lessen the academic side subsidy which is what many other programs would do if they "moved up"

just like the Big 12 understood that many of the programs wanting to get in the Big 12 would also do when they got Big 12 conference money.....their budgets would not be what they are now + big new conference money they would have been new conference money combined with a reduction in unsustainable academic side subsidies.....not to mention most that did the "current budget + new conference money" calculation did not even take out any of the money they get from their current conference from the current budget before adding in new conference money

the result of looking at what would be a sustainable budget was adding programs that would have been at the absolute bottom of P5 budgets even with some very high remaining academic side subsidies and with high debt loads already in place before any additional facilities upgrades for (lower level) P5 standards

the AAC needs to look at longer term members and their ability to sustain their program not their ability to run up debt and a prayer and then come swim in the shallow end while barely treading water there
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(06-28-2019 01:19 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  the AAC needs to look at longer term members and their ability to sustain their program not their ability to run up debt and a prayer and then come swim in the shallow end while barely treading water there

Interesting point there is that two of the non-P5 schools with the healthiest athletic departments -- lowest annual deficits, decent total amount of ticket sales plus donations -- are Arkansas State and New Mexico.
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(06-28-2019 02:10 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-28-2019 01:19 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  the AAC needs to look at longer term members and their ability to sustain their program not their ability to run up debt and a prayer and then come swim in the shallow end while barely treading water there

Interesting point there is that two of the non-P5 schools with the healthiest athletic departments -- lowest annual deficits, decent total amount of ticket sales plus donations -- are Arkansas State and New Mexico.

I had not looked at the stAte numbers, but I had seen the UNM numbers (and was a bit surprised by them) and the USM numbers are pretty good on donations and ticket sales I cannot find their total program debt as of yet

those stAte numbers do look good as do the Louisiana numbers

right now I see there are some AAC members that are letting those that feel they are on the way out essentially set the narrative of who the "sexy" choice is or who the "big catch" would be and if some of the members that are almost certainly going to be in the AAC long term (no matter who leaves or does not leave) do not step up and gain control of the process they will probably find themselves making a really bad deal to add one or more of the "big names" and down the road it will harm the conference....and probably harm it way more than anything of any of the current members actually end up leaving....because that bad deal will probably involve letting the "big catch" leave with no consequences even if they go independent or make a lateral move

I think that happened with the TV contract as well and that is a major point of why UConn is leaving to set their own destiny (even with great risk) vs just being there and letting a few make short term choices with long term consequences because they feel that helps them GTFO the most while the others will be left with a big mess (or more likely they will all still be there down the road with a big mess and sniping at each other)
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No MWC school will go to the AAC as a football only. The fans at SDSU and Boise hated the idea of a downgrade in basketball to the Big West.
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