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RE: Aresco opens the door for Colorado State
(07-14-2019 04:32 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  
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(07-08-2019 05:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Except .... UMass has zero brand value in football or hoops, and surely wouldn't be worthy anywhere near $7m to ESPN.

Exactly---which is why I made the following comment about CSU.

Every other pick involves sacrificing institutional fit in the name of athletic performance----or it requires completely dumping athletic performance to obtain a quality institutional fit. CSU is a reasonable compromise.

Frankly, CSU might be one of the few schools that could actually attract enough votes among the presidents to secure an invite. I really dont think anyone else outside of CSU, BYU, Air Force, and Army can do that.

“Hey guys, I know we’re in Podunk, CO. But I have an idea...an idea to be in a conference with East Carolina.

No, not North Carolina.

No, not South Carolina.

East Carolina.

Yes, they’re not as well known as Appalachian State. But trust me on this.”

To be clear—this time around motive is not the AAC’s problem. Aresco has publicly stated the AAC is pursuing nobody and is fine at 11—but they are willing to listen if someone calls. If negotiations occur with CSU—it will be because they applied for entrance into the AAC—- not because the AAC recruited them.

I don’t think he’s lying when he says the league is fine at 11. But has anyone asked him why exactly he had to invite Tulsa to get to 12 in the first place?

At the time Tulsa was added to the AAC a conference had to have 12 members in order to sponsor a CCG.
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RE: Aresco opens the door for Colorado State
(07-14-2019 04:32 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 01:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 05:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Except .... UMass has zero brand value in football or hoops, and surely wouldn't be worthy anywhere near $7m to ESPN.

Exactly---which is why I made the following comment about CSU.

Every other pick involves sacrificing institutional fit in the name of athletic performance----or it requires completely dumping athletic performance to obtain a quality institutional fit. CSU is a reasonable compromise.

Frankly, CSU might be one of the few schools that could actually attract enough votes among the presidents to secure an invite. I really dont think anyone else outside of CSU, BYU, Air Force, and Army can do that.

“Hey guys, I know we’re in Podunk, CO. But I have an idea...an idea to be in a conference with East Carolina.

No, not North Carolina.

No, not South Carolina.

East Carolina.

Yes, they’re not as well known as Appalachian State. But trust me on this.”

To be clear—this time around motive is not the AAC’s problem. Aresco has publicly stated the AAC is pursuing nobody and is fine at 11—but they are willing to listen if someone calls. If negotiations occur with CSU—it will be because they applied for entrance into the AAC—- not because the AAC recruited them.

I don’t think he’s lying when he says the league is fine at 11. But has anyone asked him why exactly he had to invite Tulsa to get to 12 in the first place?

Rules required 12 at the time.

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Post: #203
RE: Aresco opens the door for Colorado State
(07-14-2019 04:32 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 01:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 09:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 05:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Except .... UMass has zero brand value in football or hoops, and surely wouldn't be worthy anywhere near $7m to ESPN.

Exactly---which is why I made the following comment about CSU.

Every other pick involves sacrificing institutional fit in the name of athletic performance----or it requires completely dumping athletic performance to obtain a quality institutional fit. CSU is a reasonable compromise.

Frankly, CSU might be one of the few schools that could actually attract enough votes among the presidents to secure an invite. I really dont think anyone else outside of CSU, BYU, Air Force, and Army can do that.

“Hey guys, I know we’re in Podunk, CO. But I have an idea...an idea to be in a conference with East Carolina.

No, not North Carolina.

No, not South Carolina.

East Carolina.

Yes, they’re not as well known as Appalachian State. But trust me on this.”

To be clear—this time around motive is not the AAC’s problem. Aresco has publicly stated the AAC is pursuing nobody and is fine at 11—but they are willing to listen if someone calls. If negotiations occur with CSU—it will be because they applied for entrance into the AAC—- not because the AAC recruited them.

I don’t think he’s lying when he says the league is fine at 11. But has anyone asked him why exactly he had to invite Tulsa to get to 12 in the first place?

Because he couldn’t get the (any) MWC schools to join. I remember that in his attempts to keep Boise and San Diego St, Aresco was trying his butt off for Air Force. They said no. Then I remember Fresno St and UNLV saying no. Embarrassing enough is that Nevada was even approached and were a hard no. (Colorado St wasn’t even contacted as it was such a joke that they’d be interested)
So....Aresco invited Tulsa. Bad times.
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Post: #204
RE: Aresco opens the door for Colorado State
(07-08-2019 08:38 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
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(07-08-2019 05:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-05-2019 09:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  I’ll reply to you because the other two responded with essentially the same thing. Institutionally speaking, UMass looks a lot like the teams in the conference and is in New England. This is the most logical substitute for UConn if the conference wants to plug the hole and keep rolling. Plus, wouldn’t that be the knockout the AAC and ESPN could give UConn?

Except .... UMass has zero brand value in football or hoops, and surely wouldn't be worthy anywhere near $7m to ESPN.

Exactly---which is why I made the following comment about CSU.

Every other pick involves sacrificing institutional fit in the name of athletic performance----or it requires completely dumping athletic performance to obtain a quality institutional fit. CSU is a reasonable compromise.

Frankly, CSU might be one of the few schools that could actually attract enough votes among the presidents to secure an invite. I really dont think anyone else outside of CSU, BYU, Air Force, and Army can do that.

ODU might be "ok" if they would expand to 35k as part of the entrance deal.

Builds the conference together some and VB is a nice vacation destination with a lot to do. Nothing major league in that market either so an AAC program would be well supported.


The problem is that an AAC program is already well supported in that area.

And it’s not a nice vacation destination. I lived/worked there for two years. It’s Myrtle Beach with colder water. Might have slightly less crack, but I’d have to see a study from a reputable source.




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Yeah in your mind i guess you'd like to compare Greenville, NC to Virginia Beach. What an effing laughable notion. You who claim our media market is saturated with ECU coverage? Again another laughable notion. It's so saturated that none of the news stations or papers even mentions ECU. You guys are in the others playing football section. And Mens Basketball? Not covered at all.
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RE: Aresco opens the door for Colorado State
(07-14-2019 09:39 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 08:38 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 06:39 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 05:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Except .... UMass has zero brand value in football or hoops, and surely wouldn't be worthy anywhere near $7m to ESPN.

Exactly---which is why I made the following comment about CSU.

Every other pick involves sacrificing institutional fit in the name of athletic performance----or it requires completely dumping athletic performance to obtain a quality institutional fit. CSU is a reasonable compromise.

Frankly, CSU might be one of the few schools that could actually attract enough votes among the presidents to secure an invite. I really dont think anyone else outside of CSU, BYU, Air Force, and Army can do that.

ODU might be "ok" if they would expand to 35k as part of the entrance deal.

Builds the conference together some and VB is a nice vacation destination with a lot to do. Nothing major league in that market either so an AAC program would be well supported.


The problem is that an AAC program is already well supported in that area.

And it’s not a nice vacation destination. I lived/worked there for two years. It’s Myrtle Beach with colder water. Might have slightly less crack, but I’d have to see a study from a reputable source.




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Yeah in your mind i guess you'd like to compare Greenville, NC to Virginia Beach. What an effing laughable notion. You who claim our media market is saturated with ECU coverage? Again another laughable notion. It's so saturated that none of the news stations or papers even mentions ECU. You guys are in the others playing football section. And Mens Basketball? Not covered at all.

Maybe CoastalJohn was referring to Navy?
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Aresco opens the door for Colorado State
(07-14-2019 09:39 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 08:38 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 06:39 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 05:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Except .... UMass has zero brand value in football or hoops, and surely wouldn't be worthy anywhere near $7m to ESPN.

Exactly---which is why I made the following comment about CSU.

Every other pick involves sacrificing institutional fit in the name of athletic performance----or it requires completely dumping athletic performance to obtain a quality institutional fit. CSU is a reasonable compromise.

Frankly, CSU might be one of the few schools that could actually attract enough votes among the presidents to secure an invite. I really dont think anyone else outside of CSU, BYU, Air Force, and Army can do that.

ODU might be "ok" if they would expand to 35k as part of the entrance deal.

Builds the conference together some and VB is a nice vacation destination with a lot to do. Nothing major league in that market either so an AAC program would be well supported.


The problem is that an AAC program is already well supported in that area.

And it’s not a nice vacation destination. I lived/worked there for two years. It’s Myrtle Beach with colder water. Might have slightly less crack, but I’d have to see a study from a reputable source.




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Yeah in your mind i guess you'd like to compare Greenville, NC to Virginia Beach. What an effing laughable notion. You who claim our media market is saturated with ECU coverage? Again another laughable notion. It's so saturated that none of the news stations or papers even mentions ECU. You guys are in the others playing football section. And Mens Basketball? Not covered at all.

A few clarifications:

Didn’t compare Greenville to Virginia Beach, I compared Virginia Beach to nice vacation destinations.

Didn’t say VB had ECU media saturation. I said it had fan support.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings. See you in September.


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Aresco opens the door for Colorado State
(07-14-2019 10:52 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-14-2019 09:39 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 08:38 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 06:39 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Exactly---which is why I made the following comment about CSU.

Every other pick involves sacrificing institutional fit in the name of athletic performance----or it requires completely dumping athletic performance to obtain a quality institutional fit. CSU is a reasonable compromise.

Frankly, CSU might be one of the few schools that could actually attract enough votes among the presidents to secure an invite. I really dont think anyone else outside of CSU, BYU, Air Force, and Army can do that.

ODU might be "ok" if they would expand to 35k as part of the entrance deal.

Builds the conference together some and VB is a nice vacation destination with a lot to do. Nothing major league in that market either so an AAC program would be well supported.


The problem is that an AAC program is already well supported in that area.

And it’s not a nice vacation destination. I lived/worked there for two years. It’s Myrtle Beach with colder water. Might have slightly less crack, but I’d have to see a study from a reputable source.




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Yeah in your mind i guess you'd like to compare Greenville, NC to Virginia Beach. What an effing laughable notion. You who claim our media market is saturated with ECU coverage? Again another laughable notion. It's so saturated that none of the news stations or papers even mentions ECU. You guys are in the others playing football section. And Mens Basketball? Not covered at all.

Maybe CoastalJohn was referring to Navy?


And yes, Navy certainly has a following there.


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RE: Aresco opens the door for Colorado State
(07-15-2019 06:04 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(07-14-2019 09:39 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 08:38 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 06:39 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(07-08-2019 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Exactly---which is why I made the following comment about CSU.

Every other pick involves sacrificing institutional fit in the name of athletic performance----or it requires completely dumping athletic performance to obtain a quality institutional fit. CSU is a reasonable compromise.

Frankly, CSU might be one of the few schools that could actually attract enough votes among the presidents to secure an invite. I really dont think anyone else outside of CSU, BYU, Air Force, and Army can do that.

ODU might be "ok" if they would expand to 35k as part of the entrance deal.

Builds the conference together some and VB is a nice vacation destination with a lot to do. Nothing major league in that market either so an AAC program would be well supported.


The problem is that an AAC program is already well supported in that area.

And it’s not a nice vacation destination. I lived/worked there for two years. It’s Myrtle Beach with colder water. Might have slightly less crack, but I’d have to see a study from a reputable source.




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Yeah in your mind i guess you'd like to compare Greenville, NC to Virginia Beach. What an effing laughable notion. You who claim our media market is saturated with ECU coverage? Again another laughable notion. It's so saturated that none of the news stations or papers even mentions ECU. You guys are in the others playing football section. And Mens Basketball? Not covered at all.

A few clarifications: media support

Didn’t compare Greenville to Virginia Beach, I compared Virginia Beach to nice vacation destinations.

Didn’t say VB had ECU media saturation. I said it had fan support.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings. See you in September.


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If you had sustainable fan support, you'd have the corresponding media support. That's how it works. A large amount of ECU fans in our area? Media support is almost certain to follow. It hasn't.
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