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RE: Marshall best choice for AAC
(07-14-2019 04:30 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(07-14-2019 01:40 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  
(07-14-2019 01:52 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(07-14-2019 12:41 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 03:02 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I mentioned at beginning that my info does not include Army. Obviously if the AAC can get BYU or Army then they will. My info was Marshall vs everyone else.

Our football team has only had one bad season over the last 6 years. We were crippled with injuries at key positions. Once again, we have a winning percentage of 67% over the last 6 years. We won 10+ games three times, 9 games once, and 8 games once. Winning seasons and bowl wins 5/6 years. Beat Maryland, NIU (MAC Champion), UCONN, Colorado St, and USF in bowl games.

For comparison, ODU only has 1 winning season since moving up to FBS.

Flash news winning doesn't get you into conferences and if it did you guys would not have been here in CUSA with us newbies. There wasn't a single obvious candidate that AAC sees as viable at this point that is looking to get into the AAC and they might stand pat at 11 until one emerges and while these things usually move behind the scenes its hard to see a member that stands out right now. As per you poopooing on ODU regardng the performance realize that nobody cares about Marshal outside of CUSA if they did, again you will not be hanging out with newbies. For now it appears you will be staying with us lowly denizens even with your glorious performances and glittering reputation and brand value.

Neither does a 25k stadium and a massively subsidized budget. 07-coffee3

Nothing to see here.

While that is true no ODU fan is here throwing **** on Marshal here on the other hand this POS Marshal fan has to bring ODU into this.

Oh really? Why don't you just take a gander at what I highlighted in my post above from 12th? Or are you directing that response elsewhere?

Yes i was talking about that herd129 dude who got stuck at subsidy percentages and winning seasons if it wasn't clear to you.
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RE: Marshall best choice for AAC
(07-14-2019 03:43 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(07-14-2019 02:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-14-2019 02:27 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  ODU has been to one bowl game in its history. AAC will not ruin its P6 marketing on a 22k seat stadium and one bowl appearance in school history.

I have strong sympathies for Marshall, always root for Marshall vs WVU.

But bottom line is the AAC isn't adding Marshall any more than it is adding ODU. Both are non-starters so it doesn't really matter which one is better than the other.

I don't blame you for not wanting us after we beat you 38-20 in the Gasparilla Bowl.

USF beat South Carolina in a bowl game. So we belong in the SEC? Dude... individual games do not decide this... sorry.
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RE: Marshall best choice for AAC
(07-14-2019 04:49 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  
(07-14-2019 04:30 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(07-14-2019 01:40 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  
(07-14-2019 01:52 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(07-14-2019 12:41 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  Flash news winning doesn't get you into conferences and if it did you guys would not have been here in CUSA with us newbies. There wasn't a single obvious candidate that AAC sees as viable at this point that is looking to get into the AAC and they might stand pat at 11 until one emerges and while these things usually move behind the scenes its hard to see a member that stands out right now. As per you poopooing on ODU regardng the performance realize that nobody cares about Marshal outside of CUSA if they did, again you will not be hanging out with newbies. For now it appears you will be staying with us lowly denizens even with your glorious performances and glittering reputation and brand value.

Neither does a 25k stadium and a massively subsidized budget. 07-coffee3

Nothing to see here.

While that is true no ODU fan is here throwing **** on Marshal here on the other hand this POS Marshal fan has to bring ODU into this.

Oh really? Why don't you just take a gander at what I highlighted in my post above from 12th? Or are you directing that response elsewhere?

Yes i was talking about that herd129 dude who got stuck at subsidy percentages and winning seasons if it wasn't clear to you.

No, it’s all good, you just responded to my post and I wanted to make sure, that’s all.
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RE: Marshall best choice for AAC
(07-14-2019 03:31 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
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(07-13-2019 11:27 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Here is why Marshall is not in the conversation:

From Equity in Athletics (US Department of Education)

full time undergraduates: 7,773 (this is even fewer than UAB, Vermont, and Idaho)

Athletic budget: $30,753,677

Donations: $3,652,264
Gate: $3,887,680

Student Fees: $6,267,660
Tax Payer Money (from School): $8,078,014

This program is pretty topped out as far as support (a massive $900 a year fee for every full time student!) and subsidies (the school is transferring an addition $1000 per student to athletics from it's State of West Virginia education allocation) and still $15M/year below the bottom of the American. Where is that additional money to come from? We are talking raising $250M in the next decade to support an AAC level program.

Rather than give the AI rating (which is not good) I'll just give you indicators of AI and you can figure out where Marshall stands

4-year graduation rate  29%
Fall 2017 acceptance rate 90%
SAT 980 / ACT 19 (Marshall provided this information)

It's safe to say this would be the absolute bottom school in the American in academic terms, and by a good margin. That is saying something when the competition includes ECU, Memphis and Wichita State. Further their Endowment is only $110M, which is less than half the other small endowments of ECU, Wichita State, Memphis and UCF (UCF wtf?).

The only reason Marshall has any brand name at all is for those of us over 55 years of age who remember the tragic plane crash. There really is not a single category Marshall looks good in.
You probably shouldn’t criticize anyone regarding football, basketball, or branding. We have branding for many other reasons.

All SJSU has been is a suckling on the teet of the MWC. That plane crash comment has to be one of the most uninformed and insensitive comments I've heard on a board in a long time.

And I see that you are a fan of schools across the country. So, after the fourth week of the season when SJSU is 0-4, do you go to the closet and break out your Brutus gear?

If you have read most posts on the AAC board, most Marshall fans have said that we don't expect the invite, but they’re not getting BYU, Army, AFA, or Boise.

I’ve said my peace, and I know others will be along behind me with better factual info regarding our academics (we were ranked by either Princeton or Forbes as the #14 public university in the south). Bottom line is, you have no damned clue any more than anyone else in regard to what the AAC is doing, so whatever you say.

This reply is called "whataboutism" , which is a logical fallacy. It is also ad hominem, which may get you a warning from the mods.

But I do not take personally attacks on SJSU. If you knew anything about me, you would know that I am extremely critical of the San Jose State, it's leadership, and not just athletic, as well as the CSU system and charter. I do not defend SJSU, because I have told them for a decade that they were headed down the path they are headed because of wrong priorities and failure to understand the changing demographics of their school and city. Money in fact should not be a problem for them, but that it is, tells you everything you need to know about the school. The resources are there, but they have no clue how to harness them or organize them. So in the richest valley of high achieving families, high incomes, and money flowing in the streets they can't get their act together. So go ahead and criticize SJSU, I do it every single day.

But SJSU's problems are not relevant here. Marshall and it's potential for the AAC, which to be honest is none. Realistically Marshall needs to double it's student enrollment, while raising it's AI (which by the way is more than a bit lower than SJSU). And they need to double their endowment and donations, and double the revenue they get from ticket sales if they wish to be at AAC level.

Having great fans is not an issue. For a small school in the boonies Marshall does pretty well, in fact I think as well as it ever can do. But the fact is Marshall does not have the resources of Cincinnati, Houston, Central Florida or South Florida to actually compete (same story for UAB, La Tech and USM). These are schools with 4 times, 5 times, even 8 times the number of students, in much larger and wealthier metros, with much larger pools of alumni to draw from. Marshall is woefully short. Marshall already subsidizes sports at a tune of $1900 per student. That is a higher per student subsidy than any school in G5 including Eastern Michigan! Then throw in the high academic standards or SMU, Tulsa, Tulane and Navy and you see Marshall is completely outclassed in this conference in every category.

In C-USA, Marshall is a middling school, with comparable smaller schools like Louisiana Tech and Southern Miss. It's a fair fit.

It's a harsh reality. Geography kills larger schools like North Dakota State and Montana State, and of course Marshall.

Just so you are aware, you might want to look over to the left and look under my name. What’s it say? I stay within the AUP.

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So are we a middling school are we a large school? You labeled us as both in your post. No credibility. Oh, and I love how you fail to address your classless post about the only reason we have branding which, by the way, is a blatant falsehood.

And now this little back and forth is over.
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