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(07-08-2019 03:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  
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(07-01-2019 09:49 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  I love how ODU's $46MM 55% subsidized budget is god awful, but Marshall's $30MM 50% subsidized budget is amazing.

If Marshall is accepted and gets a full cut of the AAC media deal, they'd still be $10MM below what ODU's budget is. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No one cares how much you spend on Tennis and/or tiddly winks.

Have fun with your 22k seat stadium. You didn't even average 20k/game last year. Get serious.

Marshall is the ONLY reasonable candidate to average over 24k/game in football and over 6k/game in basketball.

We also have the best TV ratings out of every reasonable candidate. No comparison.

24K? That's what you're bragging about? And when was the last time Marshall had averaged over 6,000 in basketball?


No I'm not bragging about it. We averaged around 28k/game when we were with the current AAC members. Which puts us right on par with the majority of the conference.

Our measly 24k is still 2k more than your upgraded stadium holds.

We averaged over 6k/game in basketball this past season. It would only increase playing in the AAC. We didn't sell out a single game for CUSA teams but had sell outs of around 10k for Memphis and UCF back when we were conference mates with them.

If Marshall weren't in a state losing population, they would be a better choice. As it is, that makes them a bit of a risk for 20 years down the road.


The loss of population is pretty much over. West Virginia was #1 in personal income growth for first part of 2019. It has taken some time for our state to recover from a loss of all the coal jobs. That's what we get for being so dependent on one industry, but the worst days are finally behind us.
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(07-08-2019 01:40 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
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(07-01-2019 01:45 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  If we had to add an all sports member (not Army or BYU), I'd pick Marshall.

We would love to be in a conference with UCF again. From the MAC to CUSA and hopefully now in the AAC. 04-cheers

Marshall would probably get a lot of support from UCF, ECU, and UC fans, maybe Memphis too. I've long be in favor of a home and home yearly ooc series with Marshall and UCF. Would be fun for both schools. 04-cheers

Let's pump the breaks and remember that, while a lot of us agreed with the OP's points, point #1 (the best choice if the AAC is unable to get BYU, Army, or any of the MWC teams) is probably the most important one.

Agreed. I'm realistic and obviously if you can get BYU, Army, or some of the MWC schools then thats what you do.

Outside of that, there isn't another school who has hosted multiple games of around 40k people since the last round of conference realignment.

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1) you're in a state that has about 1/4 of the population of Metro Atlanta.

2) there are no Presidents on this board.

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JMU is a better option than marshall and georgia state combined
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(07-09-2019 07:29 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  JMU is a better option than marshall and georgia state combined

JMU should apply and see what happens. It would help Temple, Cinn, ECU, Navy, and probably Memphis with their travel costs. But then Marshall would too. Beats extending the island further North with UMASS, especially since the Conference Office is moving from Rhode Island to Texas. 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot03-shhhh 03-shhhh 03-shhhh 07-coffee3
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Marshall give AAC sucky, sucky. Marshall love AAC long time.
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Marshall seems to be the backup plan if expansion out west doesn't work out. As a singular add, they bring a great regional game for UC, Temple, and ECU while having a brand that is above CUSA. ODU, JMU, And all the other small time schools being pitched would dramatically hurt the AAC brand. While Marshall has the history/brand and current performance to avoid that.

I would rank the order the AAC is approaching expansion as:

1. BYU
2. Army/VCU
3. A multiple school west expansion of 3 (Boise, SDSU, and CSU)
4. Marshall
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(07-09-2019 09:53 AM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  Marshall seems to be the backup plan if expansion out west doesn't work out. As a singular add, they bring a great regional game for UC, Temple, and ECU while having a brand that is above CUSA. ODU, JMU, And all the other small time schools being pitched would dramatically hurt the AAC brand. While Marshall has the history/brand and current performance to avoid that.

I would rank the order the AAC is approaching expansion as:

1. BYU
2. Army/VCU
3. A multiple school west expansion of 3 (Boise, SDSU, and CSU)
4. Marshall


Basically what I was saying.

Outside of options 1-3 no one else compares to adding Marshall.
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(07-10-2019 09:36 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(07-09-2019 09:53 AM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  Marshall seems to be the backup plan if expansion out west doesn't work out. As a singular add, they bring a great regional game for UC, Temple, and ECU while having a brand that is above CUSA. ODU, JMU, And all the other small time schools being pitched would dramatically hurt the AAC brand. While Marshall has the history/brand and current performance to avoid that.

I would rank the order the AAC is approaching expansion as:

1. BYU
2. Army/VCU
3. A multiple school west expansion of 3 (Boise, SDSU, and CSU)
4. Marshall


Basically what I was saying.

Outside of options 1-3 no one else compares to adding Marshall.

I respect the heck out of Marshall, but it isn't happening guys. If BYU or Army is a no, the conference will likely just stay at 11. Mike Aresco has been pretty clear on this, as recently as yesterday on the radio in Memphis.
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I like Marshall, but IMO they are not a suitable #12 for the AAC.

The problem is brand value - Marshall has very little, thus are not worth $7m to ESPN.
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(07-11-2019 09:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I like Marshall, but IMO they are not a suitable #12 for the AAC.

The problem is brand value - Marshall has very little, thus are not worth $7m to ESPN.

ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa are not worth $7 mil either. If Marshall got an invite, it would be because the AAC needs to get back to 12 and they failed at getting better targets.
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(06-27-2019 02:38 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  1) Can Marshall perform without non-qualifiers? The AAC doesn't allow them
2) Marshall is in a small, low-growth state in a small TV market; Growth is very limited

But Marshall probably controls their market like few other G5 schools... and that market covers significant parts of 3 states. Tens of thousands of UK and Ohio State fans in that part of Kentucky and Ohio keep up with Marshall sports—especially football.

I'm not advocating for Marshall. If I advocated for a school to move up in the pecking order, I'd tell the AAC to wait and see if UAB moved into the top spot. I think they're the best fit in many ways, but they're not ready yet. But the truth should be told: Marshall—not WVU—is top dog in southwestern West Virginia, which is where a lot of West Virginia's population is. Local news during football season is dominated by the Herd.
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(07-11-2019 02:22 PM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  
(07-11-2019 09:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I like Marshall, but IMO they are not a suitable #12 for the AAC.

The problem is brand value - Marshall has very little, thus are not worth $7m to ESPN.

ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa are not worth $7 mil either. If Marshall got an invite, it would be because the AAC needs to get back to 12 and they failed at getting better targets.

Ironically Marshall, Southern Miss or UAB would have had a better chance if one or more of those schools weren't in the conference. You can't add a 4th school not worth the $7M/year.
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(07-11-2019 02:55 PM)TuckerGnat Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 02:38 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  1) Can Marshall perform without non-qualifiers? The AAC doesn't allow them
2) Marshall is in a small, low-growth state in a small TV market; Growth is very limited

But Marshall probably controls their market like few other G5 schools... and that market covers significant parts of 3 states. Tens of thousands of UK and Ohio State fans in that part of Kentucky and Ohio keep up with Marshall sports—especially football.

I'm not advocating for Marshall. If I advocated for a school to move up in the pecking order, I'd tell the AAC to wait and see if UAB moved into the top spot. I think they're the best fit in many ways, but they're not ready yet. But the truth should be told: Marshall—not WVU—is top dog in southwestern West Virginia, which is where a lot of West Virginia's population is. Local news during football season is dominated by the Herd.

IIRC, the Thundering Hurd had a decent sized geographic area on The NY Times interactive college football map. It’s been years since I’ve looked at it, but I do remember a color change somewhere around there standing out. It’d be interesting to see an updated version.
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I'm so happy the people on this forum aren't the ones adding or even voting on schools being added to the AAC. It's not the best conference by far but, you people would make it a total 01-rivals conference.
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People are arguing that a school needs to be worth $7M/year for it to be worth the AAC and ESPN's trouble to add, but I don't think they have to pick up the freight themselves. If a 12th game means more TV inventory, and thus more games involving at least one higher-profile team, then it's worth it. Obviously a BYU or an Army would carry more of its own weight than, say, Louisiana-Monroe or San Jose State, but I think the calculus is more complicated than this school is worth $7M, this one isn't.
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(07-12-2019 11:55 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  People are arguing that a school needs to be worth $7M/year for it to be worth the AAC and ESPN's trouble to add, but I don't think they have to pick up the freight themselves. If a 12th game means more TV inventory, and thus more games involving at least one higher-profile team, then it's worth it. Obviously a BYU or an Army would carry more of its own weight than, say, Louisiana-Monroe or San Jose State, but I think the calculus is more complicated than this school is worth $7M, this one isn't.

And UConn isn't worth more than $7 million.
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(07-12-2019 11:55 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  People are arguing that a school needs to be worth $7M/year for it to be worth the AAC and ESPN's trouble to add, but I don't think they have to pick up the freight themselves. If a 12th game means more TV inventory, and thus more games involving at least one higher-profile team, then it's worth it. Obviously a BYU or an Army would carry more of its own weight than, say, Louisiana-Monroe or San Jose State, but I think the calculus is more complicated than this school is worth $7M, this one isn't.

Of course, thats not how ESPN looked at it when the Big12 was looking at expansion in 2016.
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(07-12-2019 12:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-12-2019 11:55 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  People are arguing that a school needs to be worth $7M/year for it to be worth the AAC and ESPN's trouble to add, but I don't think they have to pick up the freight themselves. If a 12th game means more TV inventory, and thus more games involving at least one higher-profile team, then it's worth it. Obviously a BYU or an Army would carry more of its own weight than, say, Louisiana-Monroe or San Jose State, but I think the calculus is more complicated than this school is worth $7M, this one isn't.

Of course, thats not how ESPN looked at it when the Big12 was looking at expansion in 2016.

Yeah I mentioned that yesterday as well. The media company logic seems to be different when adding a new team as opposed to valuing an existing conference. The latter is evaluated as an overall package, whereas the former is evaluated in isolation.

E.g., as you say, in 2016, ESPN and FOX made it clear that they did not want to pay an extra $20m a year or whatever it was for any of the 11 schools on the Big 12's final candidates list.

But, I have zero doubt that if say Houston or USF had been a Big 12 member in 2012 when the current deal was negotiated, the Big 12 would have still got the same per-school amount that it actually did as a 10 school league. USF or Houston would have been bundled in to the overall value, where as an expansion candidate, they were viewed in terms of marginal utility.

That's a big problem for all of us sitting in the G5 and wanting a promotion. Likewise, if say UConn had left with the C7 in 2012 and we had added a UAB or a Buffalo back then when the AAC was forming, I bet we still get the same $7m per school we got now. But again, as a new add-on, they will be evaluated separately on their additional value alone.
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