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(07-03-2019 07:39 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  The Big XII didn't expand because Texas and Oklahoma did't want to commit to the league post 2025. I think the Big Ten takes a serious run at Oklahoma and Kansas, Texas can do what they want but I wouldn't be shocked to see them go the Notre Dame path of ACC/Indy football. That makes way too much sense for Texas as they keep the longhorn network, puts them on the same category in football as Notre Dame, academically associates themselves with Duke, UNC, Georgia Tech, Pitt, Notre Dame, UVA, and other top end research schools instead of the low tier schools in the Big XII. Remember the ACC is all in with ESPN so they can easily work with Texas to make it happen. Longhorns could play Notre Dame every season and then four to six ACC games while filling out the rest of their schedule with Okahoma and other regional opponents.

Houston and Cincinnati are the top expansion candidates for a reworked Big XII by a lot. My second tier includes Memphis, USF, UCF, Colorado State, and Air Force. BYU is either in or out but that comes down to who wants to work with them.

What scares me is UH and BYU. If just two teams need replaced in the B12, I think UH and BYU get that nod, esp. if Texas is gone. Sure, if BYU doesn't budge then we are up next but I bet BYU will do what it takes to join at that point. I think between UH, BYU, and UC, if we are talking B12, we are odd man out. Now, if Kansas also goes, then yes, I believe UC is option #3 at that point.

You're talking 6 seasons from now so a lot can happen between now and then. That's why it is critical for Cincinnati football to make a statement over the next several years while Coach Fick is here. If you think about it, we've not made any noise on the national level since Brian Kelly. UCF and Houston have been the bell cows in football in the American Conference due to their big bowl wins. We have an opportunity to put ourselves in that conversation if we can keep the train rollin' and get to a NY6 and win it. If we do that, and you factor in our recruiting/market area and our hoops program, then we are right there as the top program to snag.

So, winning didn’t really matter for Rutgers. It was more Ohio State , Michigan alums etc in New York to buy into the cable network.

So does winning matter? Or is it just eyeballs to the TV? Or is it having a top research university being in the AAU?

Why does winning a new year six bowl matter? Is it that we would be a very competitive team? Or that we would be more likely to have more eyeballs on the TV With alums buying cable packages?
 
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(07-09-2019 11:00 PM)ZCat Wrote:  
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(07-03-2019 07:39 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  The Big XII didn't expand because Texas and Oklahoma did't want to commit to the league post 2025. I think the Big Ten takes a serious run at Oklahoma and Kansas, Texas can do what they want but I wouldn't be shocked to see them go the Notre Dame path of ACC/Indy football. That makes way too much sense for Texas as they keep the longhorn network, puts them on the same category in football as Notre Dame, academically associates themselves with Duke, UNC, Georgia Tech, Pitt, Notre Dame, UVA, and other top end research schools instead of the low tier schools in the Big XII. Remember the ACC is all in with ESPN so they can easily work with Texas to make it happen. Longhorns could play Notre Dame every season and then four to six ACC games while filling out the rest of their schedule with Okahoma and other regional opponents.

Houston and Cincinnati are the top expansion candidates for a reworked Big XII by a lot. My second tier includes Memphis, USF, UCF, Colorado State, and Air Force. BYU is either in or out but that comes down to who wants to work with them.

What scares me is UH and BYU. If just two teams need replaced in the B12, I think UH and BYU get that nod, esp. if Texas is gone. Sure, if BYU doesn't budge then we are up next but I bet BYU will do what it takes to join at that point. I think between UH, BYU, and UC, if we are talking B12, we are odd man out. Now, if Kansas also goes, then yes, I believe UC is option #3 at that point.

You're talking 6 seasons from now so a lot can happen between now and then. That's why it is critical for Cincinnati football to make a statement over the next several years while Coach Fick is here. If you think about it, we've not made any noise on the national level since Brian Kelly. UCF and Houston have been the bell cows in football in the American Conference due to their big bowl wins. We have an opportunity to put ourselves in that conversation if we can keep the train rollin' and get to a NY6 and win it. If we do that, and you factor in our recruiting/market area and our hoops program, then we are right there as the top program to snag.

So, winning didn’t really matter for Rutgers. It was more Ohio State , Michigan alums etc in New York to buy into the cable network.

So does winning matter? Or is it just eyeballs to the TV? Or is it having a top research university being in the AAU?

Why does winning a new year six bowl matter? Is it that we would be a very competitive team? Or that we would be more likely to have more eyeballs on the TV With alums buying cable packages?

It remains a "most of the above" formula and in some cases "all of the above". That TCU Rose Bowl win over Wisconsin certainly gave that program a big boost when the B12 last extended invitations. And WVU had impressive wins in BCS 6 bowls prior to its invitation during that same expansion.

The B10 has a considerable alumni population in the northeast and that deal was all about the cable TV footprint. RU has a strong academic and research profile and is New Jersey's state flagship and that all helped too.

Depending solely on winning would make for a very short list of expansion candidates. Even if Boise State jumped up and won the next two access bowls, it wouldn't change that university's overall profile and won't lead to a Pac 12 invite. Too many institutional issues on the wrong side of the ledger to overcome; even with a winning football team.
 
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It depends on what a conference needs. The Big Ten didn't need flagship football programs but eastern exposure for alumni and its TV networks. The Big XII needed quality football programs with large fan bases.

With UConn leaving the American the conference doesn't need a football upgrade, western schools, or another military academy. It needs good basketball additions and another football team in its northern footprint. Dayton and VCU should be locks. Marshall, Buffalo, and Ohio actually fit that profile the best for an all sports add.
 
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(07-10-2019 07:39 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  It depends on what a conference needs. The Big Ten didn't need flagship football programs but eastern exposure for alumni and its TV networks. The Big XII needed quality football programs with large fan bases.

With UConn leaving the American the conference doesn't need a football upgrade, western schools, or another military academy. It needs good basketball additions and another football team in its northern footprint. Dayton and VCU should be locks. Marshall, Buffalo, and Ohio actually fit that profile the best for an all sports add.

Not going to happen. The AAC does not care about a "northern footprint". There is a reason why they are moving the HQ to Dallas, the BB CCG is moving to suburban Dallas for the next 3 years and all the stories about the conference break out Texas, Florida and Memphis: this is for the most part a southern league.

As to UC's position in getting into a P5 raised in other threads, we need to keep doing what we are doing in sports. That being said, just as important if not more so is that our fan base needs to step up their game. We need more butts in the seats, more giving and the casual fan in Greater Cincinnati needs to step up their game big time.
The university also needs to continue to cultivate UC as not just hear within the 513-- they need to continuing stretching the brand throughout the state of Ohio, primarily in the SWO corridor and up into Columbus.
 
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Yep, Cincinnati is now considered the most "northern" team in the conference, and I am sure the conference has considered if Cincinnati leaves then it is a purely southern conference. The AAC would then basically be the SEC minor league.
 
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NCAA Basketball is small potatoes. I know most of you guys prefer it to football, but it's very much an afterthought in conference realignment.
 
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(07-10-2019 09:30 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  NCAA Basketball is small potatoes. I know most of you guys prefer it to football, but it's very much an afterthought in conference realignment.

Aresco just said an interview last week that "football is critical" and that if we add it will be a school that prioritizes the sport. I think the hopes of some to add a non-football playing school like VCU or Dayton are not going to materialize.

(07-10-2019 09:24 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Yep, Cincinnati is now considered the most "northern" team in the conference, and I am sure the conference has considered if Cincinnati leaves then it is a purely southern conference. The AAC would then basically be the SEC minor league.


Also Temple. I think you are correct though that if the league will expand they are going to take into consideration that they want either someone nationally (BYU or Army) or someone this more geographically aligned with the remaining members.
 
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(07-09-2019 11:00 PM)ZCat Wrote:  
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(07-05-2019 02:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  What scares me is UH and BYU. If just two teams need replaced in the B12, I think UH and BYU get that nod, esp. if Texas is gone. Sure, if BYU doesn't budge then we are up next but I bet BYU will do what it takes to join at that point. I think between UH, BYU, and UC, if we are talking B12, we are odd man out. Now, if Kansas also goes, then yes, I believe UC is option #3 at that point.

You're talking 6 seasons from now so a lot can happen between now and then. That's why it is critical for Cincinnati football to make a statement over the next several years while Coach Fick is here. If you think about it, we've not made any noise on the national level since Brian Kelly. UCF and Houston have been the bell cows in football in the American Conference due to their big bowl wins. We have an opportunity to put ourselves in that conversation if we can keep the train rollin' and get to a NY6 and win it. If we do that, and you factor in our recruiting/market area and our hoops program, then we are right there as the top program to snag.

So, winning didn’t really matter for Rutgers. It was more Ohio State , Michigan alums etc in New York to buy into the cable network.

So does winning matter? Or is it just eyeballs to the TV? Or is it having a top research university being in the AAU?

Why does winning a new year six bowl matter? Is it that we would be a very competitive team? Or that we would be more likely to have more eyeballs on the TV With alums buying cable packages?

I'm simply saying that if we want to raise our profile and make ourselves an obvious choice as the best expansion candidate, winning, and winning on the big stage, is the ticket. Many of our competitors that want to jump the small conference ship have strong facilities, markets, education programs/research budgets, endowments, etc. You generate excitement on a national level by winning in football. Even though most of us laughed it off, look at all the attention that UCF got for making a claim to the national title. Whether you agreed or not, it kept their name out there and made a case to expand the playoffs. Boise St made some similar noise on a national level with BIG wins in recent years. What kind of noise have we made since Brian Kelly? Winning big isn't the whole enchilada but it sure as heck takes up a lot of the space in the burrito that the general sports fans and media eat.
 
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Took this from the AAC board but Aresco was on Memphis radio (again) and said the conference is leaning towards staying at 11

(07-10-2019 01:12 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  From yesterday:

Sportstime Wolo & Stats (July 09- Hour 3) @ 26:30 min mark

https://sports56whbq.com/podcasts

*Sounds like staying the course at 11 for both fball and bball.
*Likely outcome is to work out a settlement with UCONN for 20/21 season.
*Not sure/wouldn't comment whether the current tv deal could be split 11 ways or per school remains the same with ESPN taking back the twelfth share.
 
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(07-10-2019 01:54 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Took this from the AAC board but Aresco was on Memphis radio (again) and said the conference is leaning towards staying at 11

(07-10-2019 01:12 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  From yesterday:

Sportstime Wolo & Stats (July 09- Hour 3) @ 26:30 min mark

https://sports56whbq.com/podcasts

*Sounds like staying the course at 11 for both fball and bball.
*Likely outcome is to work out a settlement with UCONN for 20/21 season.
*Not sure/wouldn't comment whether the current tv deal could be split 11 ways or per school remains the same with ESPN taking back the twelfth share.

Thats better than adding garbage like North texas or Southern Miss etc
 
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(07-10-2019 03:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(07-10-2019 01:54 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Took this from the AAC board but Aresco was on Memphis radio (again) and said the conference is leaning towards staying at 11

(07-10-2019 01:12 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  From yesterday:

Sportstime Wolo & Stats (July 09- Hour 3) @ 26:30 min mark

https://sports56whbq.com/podcasts

*Sounds like staying the course at 11 for both fball and bball.
*Likely outcome is to work out a settlement with UCONN for 20/21 season.
*Not sure/wouldn't comment whether the current tv deal could be split 11 ways or per school remains the same with ESPN taking back the twelfth share.

Thats better than adding garbage like North texas or Southern Miss etc

ESPN isn’t going to pay $7M/yr for one of those schools. If BYU or Army is not available we’ll stay at 11.
 
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I would really like someone explain to me how it happened that we find ourselves in a conference with ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa and XU is in the big east, now with Uconn.
 
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(07-10-2019 04:18 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I would really like someone explain to me how it happened that we find ourselves in a conference with ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa and XU is in the big east, now with Uconn.

The big east is a bunch of small catholic schools that don't play fbs football (uconn being the exception) while the aac is mostly urban public universities that play football.
 
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(07-10-2019 04:18 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I would really like someone explain to me how it happened that we find ourselves in a conference with ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa and XU is in the big east, now with Uconn.

You can thank the President and Athletic Director of Pitt for this travesty. Another question you might ask is how is Xavier ranked #3 in 2020 basketball recruiting, notwithstanding a new coach and coming off a year when it was lucky to make the NIT. Is there some mysterious attraction to playing in Norwood that puts Eggs ahead of UNC, UK, Villanova and others with infinitely more basketball tradition and heritage. Inquiring minds (including University #6) want to know.
 
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(07-10-2019 04:18 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I would really like someone explain to me how it happened that we find ourselves in a conference with ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa and XU is in the big east, now with Uconn.

The big east is a bunch of small catholic schools that don't play fbs football (uconn being the exception) while the aac is mostly urban public universities that play football.

You did a fine job of summarizing the current lay of the land, however, you didn’t really answer the “how did we get to this horrible place” part.
 
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(07-10-2019 04:18 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I would really like someone explain to me how it happened that we find ourselves in a conference with ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa and XU is in the big east, now with Uconn.

The big east is a bunch of small catholic schools that don't play fbs football (uconn being the exception) while the aac is mostly urban public universities that play football.

You did a fine job of summarizing the current lay of the land, however, you didn’t really answer the “how did we get to this horrible place” part.

Let me translate.
We don't want to be in the big east.
 
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(07-10-2019 04:18 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I would really like someone explain to me how it happened that we find ourselves in a conference with ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa and XU is in the big east, now with Uconn.

The big east is a bunch of small catholic schools that don't play fbs football (uconn being the exception) while the aac is mostly urban public universities that play football.

You did a fine job of summarizing the current lay of the land, however, you didn’t really answer the “how did we get to this horrible place” part.

Let me translate.
We don't want to be in the big east.

Agree. That doesn't really have anything to do with my question.

My question is, how did we end up in a worse conference than Xavier.
 
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We are in a much better conference than Xavier.

The basketball is as good (excepting Villanova) and in the Big East we would have to play 7 games against UConn for our conference schedule.

And AAC baseball kicks Big East baseball ass.
 
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(07-10-2019 05:04 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(07-10-2019 04:56 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(07-10-2019 04:50 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(07-10-2019 04:25 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(07-10-2019 04:18 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I would really like someone explain to me how it happened that we find ourselves in a conference with ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa and XU is in the big east, now with Uconn.

The big east is a bunch of small catholic schools that don't play fbs football (uconn being the exception) while the aac is mostly urban public universities that play football.

You did a fine job of summarizing the current lay of the land, however, you didn’t really answer the “how did we get to this horrible place” part.

Let me translate.
We don't want to be in the big east.

Agree. That doesn't really have anything to do with my question.

My question is, how did we end up in a worse conference than Xavier.

We didn't
 
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(07-10-2019 04:56 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(07-10-2019 04:50 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(07-10-2019 04:25 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  The big east is a bunch of small catholic schools that don't play fbs football (uconn being the exception) while the aac is mostly urban public universities that play football.

You did a fine job of summarizing the current lay of the land, however, you didn’t really answer the “how did we get to this horrible place” part.

Let me translate.
We don't want to be in the big east.

Agree. That doesn't really have anything to do with my question.

My question is, how did we end up in a worse conference than Xavier.

We didn't

Basketball wise, we did. And that was before UCONN, our biggest basketball brand jumped.
 
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