Seems like from a $$$ POV it could work. They could get the $4m from the Big East for T1 rights for all but football, go Indy in football for maybe $4m a year from ESPN, and sell the T3 for another million or two.

That beats the Aresco deal, no?

I think X freezes them out.

What about Memphis could they be accepted into the BE?

They have the FB stadium to be a serious player as an indy.

(06-25-2019 08:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Seems like from a $$$ POV it could work. They could get the $4m from the Big East for T1 rights for all but football, go Indy in football for maybe $4m a year from ESPN, and sell the T3 for another million or two.

That beats the Aresco deal, no?

They actually care about football, so hard no.

(06-25-2019 08:12 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  What about Memphis could they be accepted into the BE?

They have the FB stadium to be a serious player as an indy.

No, the Big East wouldn’t extend an invite, and it wouldn’t be feasible on the FB front.

(06-25-2019 08:07 PM)Bogg Wrote:  I think X freezes them out.

Maybe, but lots of conferences have cross-town rivals. I think being in same conference would strengthen that.

(06-25-2019 08:14 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 08:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Seems like from a $$$ POV it could work. They could get the $4m from the Big East for T1 rights for all but football, go Indy in football for maybe $4m a year from ESPN, and sell the T3 for another million or two.

That beats the Aresco deal, no?

They actually care about football, so hard no.

BYU cares about football too. It's not like UC would be leaving the Big 10. They are currently a G5 school.

(06-25-2019 08:14 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 08:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Seems like from a $$$ POV it could work. They could get the $4m from the Big East for T1 rights for all but football, go Indy in football for maybe $4m a year from ESPN, and sell the T3 for another million or two.

That beats the Aresco deal, no?

They actually care about football, so hard no.

So, Temple then?

(06-25-2019 08:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 08:07 PM)Bogg Wrote:  I think X freezes them out.

Maybe, but lots of conferences have cross-town rivals. I think being in same conference would strengthen that.

It's feasible, and I actually wouldn't be opposed to Cincy, but I think X envisions leveraging the Big East to be to Cincinnati as Villanova is to Philadelphia/Pennsylvania.

(06-25-2019 08:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Seems like from a $$$ POV it could work. They could get the $4m from the Big East for T1 rights for all but football, go Indy in football for maybe $4m a year from ESPN, and sell the T3 for another million or two.

That beats the Aresco deal, no?

USF will half fill a football stadium before Cincinnati joins the Big East.

(06-25-2019 08:22 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 08:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 08:07 PM)Bogg Wrote:  I think X freezes them out.

Maybe, but lots of conferences have cross-town rivals. I think being in same conference would strengthen that.

It's feasible, and I actually wouldn't be opposed to Cincy, but I think X envisions leveraging the Big East to be to Cincinnati as Villanova is to Philadelphia/Pennsylvania.

I don't know what X fans think, but they aren't the only school with a say.

(06-25-2019 08:22 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 08:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Seems like from a $$$ POV it could work. They could get the $4m from the Big East for T1 rights for all but football, go Indy in football for maybe $4m a year from ESPN, and sell the T3 for another million or two.

That beats the Aresco deal, no?

USF will half fill a football stadium before Cincinnati joins the Big East.

Hey, we've already done that.

(06-25-2019 08:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 08:22 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 08:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 08:07 PM)Bogg Wrote:  I think X freezes them out.

Maybe, but lots of conferences have cross-town rivals. I think being in same conference would strengthen that.

It's feasible, and I actually wouldn't be opposed to Cincy, but I think X envisions leveraging the Big East to be to Cincinnati as Villanova is to Philadelphia/Pennsylvania.

I don't know what X fans think, but they aren't the only school with a say.

Don't think the rest of the schools force their in-city rival into the conference over X's objections and blow up the round robin in the process. It's probably up to X.

(06-25-2019 08:07 PM)Bogg Wrote:  I think X freezes them out.

X probably vetoes.

Also the FB only market might be tough. It’s a huge risk for what I would only consider to be a marginally small reward. If BYU who has a much larger Fanbase is only making 4-10 per year for FB in a time zone where ESPN was motivated to make sure they had inventory (remember pac was still potentially going to fox or Comcast entirely at the time) and I have my doubts that an eastern time zone team could make similar leverage with the ACC/B1G/B12/SEC/AAC all signed up with them.

No. Their football program has a pulse.

If a P5 conference looks to expand from the ranks of the G5, Cincinnati has a chance to move. They're not a slam dunk, but they have a chance. As long as they have a chance to move to a P5 conference, they need to stay where they are.

(06-25-2019 08:36 PM)johnintx Wrote:  No. Their football program has a pulse.

If a P5 conference looks to expand from the ranks of the G5, Cincinnati has a chance to move. They're not a slam dunk, but they have a chance. As long as they have a chance to move to a P5 conference, they need to stay where they are.

I think it is possible Cincy could create indy schedules equal to AAC schedules. There's nothing magical about the G5.

(06-25-2019 08:36 PM)johnintx Wrote:  No. Their football program has a pulse.

If a P5 conference looks to expand from the ranks of the G5, Cincinnati has a chance to move. They're not a slam dunk, but they have a chance. As long as they have a chance to move to a P5 conference, they need to stay where they are.

Yes, and we're on the upswing. There is a legit shot at winning the conference chip and getting the Cotton Bowl invite this year. That would do wonders for our profile not seen since the Brian Kelly era. Cincinnati has invested too much in facilities and the football program in general to not stay alive for a shot at a better conference. If that doesn't come after 2025 then check back on this...

(06-25-2019 08:34 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 08:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 08:22 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 08:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 08:07 PM)Bogg Wrote:  I think X freezes them out.

Maybe, but lots of conferences have cross-town rivals. I think being in same conference would strengthen that.

It's feasible, and I actually wouldn't be opposed to Cincy, but I think X envisions leveraging the Big East to be to Cincinnati as Villanova is to Philadelphia/Pennsylvania.

I don't know what X fans think, but they aren't the only school with a say.

Don't think the rest of the schools force their in-city rival into the conference over X's objections and blow up the round robin in the process. It's probably up to X.

Fair point. So what would X think? I am not sure they would oppose.

UC has no interest in going Indy in football. A suggested read for CFB enthusiasts is “Bearcats Rising” by Josh Katzowitz. It outlines the history of UC football, including the dark days as an Independent in the 70s, 80s and early 90s. As much as people crap on CUSA, getting into a conference was a game changer in terms of scheduling, recruiting, fan and corporate interest, etc. there are tons of quotes from former players, coaching and administrators detailing all of this.

(06-25-2019 08:44 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 08:36 PM)johnintx Wrote:  No. Their football program has a pulse.

If a P5 conference looks to expand from the ranks of the G5, Cincinnati has a chance to move. They're not a slam dunk, but they have a chance. As long as they have a chance to move to a P5 conference, they need to stay where they are.

Yes, and we're on the upswing. There is a legit shot at winning the conference chip and getting the Cotton Bowl invite this year. That would do wonders for our profile not seen since the Brian Kelly era. Cincinnati has invested too much in facilities and the football program in general to not stay alive for a shot at a better conference. If that doesn't come after 2025 then check back on this...

When I said No, I meant to say they shouldn't move to the Big East. Cincinnati needs to stay in the AAC until a better opportunity comes about. UConn realized that their P5 dream was over, and moved to the BE. The P5 dream isn't over for Cincinnati.