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(06-25-2019 08:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(06-25-2019 08:07 PM)Bogg Wrote:  I think X freezes them out.

Maybe, but lots of conferences have cross-town rivals. I think being in same conference would strengthen that.

It's feasible, and I actually wouldn't be opposed to Cincy, but I think X envisions leveraging the Big East to be to Cincinnati as Villanova is to Philadelphia/Pennsylvania.

I don't know what X fans think, but they aren't the only school with a say.

I can tell you we wouldn't support it to put it mildly lol. And I doubt the Big East would treat one of it's members that poorly
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(06-25-2019 09:31 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:22 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:07 PM)Bogg Wrote:  I think X freezes them out.

Maybe, but lots of conferences have cross-town rivals. I think being in same conference would strengthen that.

It's feasible, and I actually wouldn't be opposed to Cincy, but I think X envisions leveraging the Big East to be to Cincinnati as Villanova is to Philadelphia/Pennsylvania.

That’s pretty optimistic if they actually think that. Cincinnati has some pretty distinct inherent advantages that X will never have (enrollment, access, public vs private), which is why they will always have the larger fan base. Not to mention the fact that one school is the one with the city’s name across their chest.

It would take UC folding up their basketball program for Xavier to be the program with greater interest in the city.

The fact that you're named Cincinnati and we're not means less than nothing. Temple holds many of the same advantages over nova that uc holds over xavier and yet nova is able to leverage big east membership and success to better national perception. i don't think aspiring to have to have a similar dynamic between x and uc is out of the question. seems like a reasonable goal for x at this point.
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(06-26-2019 10:07 AM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  Cincinnati has some of the best regional recruiting in the country for Football. The University knows that it would be foolish to jeopardize what could potentially be a top 25 program every year for what, a Big East that actually pays less money? UC isn't killing off football like UConn, so it is an easy hard pass.

Also don't pretend like independence is going to bring in millions on a tv contract. Who is paying for that outside of ND and BYU?

People don't understand that UC is not UConn. The situations and considerations of each school are not apples to apples just because they were both in the Big East together at one time. There are structural, grassroots reasons why UConn football fails and they're more suited to basketball. Lower level interest in football is not strong in that area of the country. UConn has massive natural recruiting disadvantages. Otoh, prep football is HUGE in cincinnati. UC has huge natural recruiting advantages with the amount local talent in the area. They couldn't just fold up the football program at UC. Football plays a much bigger role in the decisions of the athletic department. Thus why moving to the current iteration of the Big East is seen as overwhelmingly positive by UConn fans and administration and met with weak resistance from a bad football program and would be seen as unfathomable by UC.
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(06-29-2019 01:42 AM)scoscox Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:22 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:07 PM)Bogg Wrote:  I think X freezes them out.

Maybe, but lots of conferences have cross-town rivals. I think being in same conference would strengthen that.

It's feasible, and I actually wouldn't be opposed to Cincy, but I think X envisions leveraging the Big East to be to Cincinnati as Villanova is to Philadelphia/Pennsylvania.

I don't know what X fans think, but they aren't the only school with a say.

I can tell you we wouldn't support it to put it mildly lol. And I doubt the Big East would treat one of it's members that poorly

I don't see how admitting Cincy would be "treating Xavier poorly". Heck, what if Cincy had remained in the Big East after the Big East/AAC split of 2012, would Xavier have turned down the Big East invitation because of Cincy's presence? I doubt it.
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(06-29-2019 06:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 01:42 AM)scoscox Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:22 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Maybe, but lots of conferences have cross-town rivals. I think being in same conference would strengthen that.

It's feasible, and I actually wouldn't be opposed to Cincy, but I think X envisions leveraging the Big East to be to Cincinnati as Villanova is to Philadelphia/Pennsylvania.

I don't know what X fans think, but they aren't the only school with a say.

I can tell you we wouldn't support it to put it mildly lol. And I doubt the Big East would treat one of it's members that poorly

I don't see how admitting Cincy would be "treating Xavier poorly". Heck, what if Cincy had remained in the Big East after the Big East/AAC split of 2012, would Xavier have turned down the Big East invitation because of Cincy's presence? I doubt it.

Cincy did remain in the Big East. The C7 left the Big East. Try to keep up.
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(06-29-2019 01:45 AM)scoscox Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:31 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:22 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:07 PM)Bogg Wrote:  I think X freezes them out.

Maybe, but lots of conferences have cross-town rivals. I think being in same conference would strengthen that.

It's feasible, and I actually wouldn't be opposed to Cincy, but I think X envisions leveraging the Big East to be to Cincinnati as Villanova is to Philadelphia/Pennsylvania.

That’s pretty optimistic if they actually think that. Cincinnati has some pretty distinct inherent advantages that X will never have (enrollment, access, public vs private), which is why they will always have the larger fan base. Not to mention the fact that one school is the one with the city’s name across their chest.

It would take UC folding up their basketball program for Xavier to be the program with greater interest in the city.

The fact that you're named Cincinnati and we're not means less than nothing. Temple holds many of the same advantages over nova that uc holds over xavier and yet nova is able to leverage big east membership and success to better national perception. i don't think aspiring to have to have a similar dynamic between x and uc is out of the question. seems like a reasonable goal for x at this point.

I am going to tick off the Owl fans but UC is not Temple. Much stronger brand strength locally, regionally and nationally. Philly is more of a pro town whereas Cincinnati supports both. UC hoops attendance is nearly twice what Temple packs in. Our TV ratings, despite being in a smaller market are better for both sports.

Likewise, Xavier is not or ever will be Nova. Villanova has been in the Big a East for 40 years and benefited from Temple basically de-emphasizing sports for a decade to gain their grip on their town. UC is more committed
To athletics than they’ve ever been. XU has done a great job improving itself but you are kidding yourself if you think the school will ever be the dominant player in the Queen City.
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(06-29-2019 07:21 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 01:45 AM)scoscox Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:31 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:22 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Maybe, but lots of conferences have cross-town rivals. I think being in same conference would strengthen that.

It's feasible, and I actually wouldn't be opposed to Cincy, but I think X envisions leveraging the Big East to be to Cincinnati as Villanova is to Philadelphia/Pennsylvania.

That’s pretty optimistic if they actually think that. Cincinnati has some pretty distinct inherent advantages that X will never have (enrollment, access, public vs private), which is why they will always have the larger fan base. Not to mention the fact that one school is the one with the city’s name across their chest.

It would take UC folding up their basketball program for Xavier to be the program with greater interest in the city.

The fact that you're named Cincinnati and we're not means less than nothing. Temple holds many of the same advantages over nova that uc holds over xavier and yet nova is able to leverage big east membership and success to better national perception. i don't think aspiring to have to have a similar dynamic between x and uc is out of the question. seems like a reasonable goal for x at this point.

I am going to tick off the Owl fans but UC is not Temple. Much stronger brand strength locally, regionally and nationally. Philly is more of a pro town whereas Cincinnati supports both. UC hoops attendance is nearly twice what Temple packs in. Our TV ratings, despite being in a smaller market are better for both sports.

I would say "stronger", but not much stronger. Cincinnati has good brand strength for a G5. One of the best. But Temple's is pretty good too. But both are well-within the context of being G5 brands, meaning their national brand value is pretty minimal. That's just the way it is, and that certainly applies to USF as well. Arguing about brand value among G5s is like arguing about the longest male member under 4 inches.

E.g., regarding attendance, in 2018, football attendance was:

UC ........... 30,519
Temple ..... 28,470

In hoops, it wasn't almost twice as much:

UC ........... 8,081
Temple ..... 6,324

Those are advantages for UC, but not much. As for the cities, the main difference between Cincy and Philly is just sheer size - Cincy, whether regarded as a city proper or metro area, is a small/medium sized city, while Philly is a huge city, it dwarfs Cincy, so of course Temple will never have as much of the city's attention as UC has in Cincy.

That said, I do agree that UC is a bigger brand that Xavier. Your football gives you a brand advantage they can never match, unless they started winning hoops national titles, and that is very, very unlikely.
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(06-26-2019 09:39 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 09:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I think UConn leaving and this Cincy analysis shows the weakness of the new deal Aresco inked with ESPN. One of the hallmarks of a good deal is that a school can't do better on their own. E.g., regarding the B1G and SEC deals, not only could lower level teams like Purdue and Ole Miss not do better by going football indy, Michigan and Alabama couldn't do better either. Both would make less as an indy, much like Notre Dame makes less as an indy than they could in a P5.

But UConn, and probably Cincy, could get paid more going football indy and joining the Big East for other sports.

The Aresco deal was a soft deal. One we waited 7 years for.

I personally think you are making this into something it's not to satisfy you passive-aggression towards the AAC. I have yet to see any scenario where Uconn is actually going to profit from this move.

Even if you reduce travel cost it does not eliminate travel costs. I'm not really in a mood to look it up, but realistically we are probably talking about $50-$70 per person level savings here. Flying to Cincinnati to play Xavier is not really that much cheaper than flying to Houston.

UConn is not going to make a profit from this move:

- They likely will have to pay the AAC exit fee and legal fees
- There is going to be costs associated with rebranding
- A flight to Xavier is really not much cheaper than a flight to Houston
- No matter how we twist things, the Big East makes less money
- Their football team was losing money with a decent schedule.

This move simply does not make sense unless they secretly plan on ending their football team in the future. If they did that then this would be a fantastic move for UConn.

Great post. I think you've nailed it. From what I can tell, most of the nation understands from a conference fit and cultural identity perspective. However I think most people are kinda chuckling at the over the top arrogance and giddiness of the NBE/UCONN basketball fanboys as though the old real big east has gotten back together LOL. They're acting as though some cataclysmic shift in the real college sports world has occurred. Maybe it's because the NBE fanboys are so insecure because the AAC lives in their heads 24/7 (Quo is a perfect example). If you'll notice most AAC fans that post here seldom speak on the NBE and if we do it's often objectively and quite complimentary. The AAC is a football first conference and like all other football first conference g5/p5 we seldom think about the bball only NBE until March. To Quo and the NBE/ UCONN basketball fans. THANKS FOR REMOVING THAT ANCHOR AND PAYING US NY6 BOWL MONEY IN THE PROCESS. We'll definitely be a much more successful conference for this,and hopefully things will work out for you all also. See no hard feelings. 04-cheers04-cheers04-cheers
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(06-29-2019 08:01 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 09:39 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 09:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I think UConn leaving and this Cincy analysis shows the weakness of the new deal Aresco inked with ESPN. One of the hallmarks of a good deal is that a school can't do better on their own. E.g., regarding the B1G and SEC deals, not only could lower level teams like Purdue and Ole Miss not do better by going football indy, Michigan and Alabama couldn't do better either. Both would make less as an indy, much like Notre Dame makes less as an indy than they could in a P5.

But UConn, and probably Cincy, could get paid more going football indy and joining the Big East for other sports.

The Aresco deal was a soft deal. One we waited 7 years for.

I personally think you are making this into something it's not to satisfy you passive-aggression towards the AAC. I have yet to see any scenario where Uconn is actually going to profit from this move.

Even if you reduce travel cost it does not eliminate travel costs. I'm not really in a mood to look it up, but realistically we are probably talking about $50-$70 per person level savings here. Flying to Cincinnati to play Xavier is not really that much cheaper than flying to Houston.

UConn is not going to make a profit from this move:

- They likely will have to pay the AAC exit fee and legal fees
- There is going to be costs associated with rebranding
- A flight to Xavier is really not much cheaper than a flight to Houston
- No matter how we twist things, the Big East makes less money
- Their football team was losing money with a decent schedule.

This move simply does not make sense unless they secretly plan on ending their football team in the future. If they did that then this would be a fantastic move for UConn.

Great post. I think you've nailed it. From what I can tell, most of the nation understands from a conference fit and cultural identity perspective. However I think most people are kinda chuckling at the over the top arrogance and giddiness of the NBE/UCONN basketball fanboys as though the old real big east has gotten back together LOL. They're acting as though some cataclysmic shift in the real college sports world has occurred. Maybe it's because the NBE fanboys are so insecure because the AAC lives in their heads 24/7 (Quo is a perfect example). If you'll notice most AAC fans that post here seldom speak on the NBE and if we do it's often objectively and quite complimentary. The AAC is a football first conference and like all other football first conference g5/p5 we seldom think about the bball only NBE until March. To Quo and the NBE/ UCONN basketball fans. THANKS FOR REMOVING THAT ANCHOR AND PAYING US NY6 BOWL MONEY IN THE PROCESS. We'll definitely be a much more successful conference for this,and hopefully things will work out for you all also. See no hard feelings. 04-cheers04-cheers04-cheers

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Yep BE is a solid conference and as I posted there is virtually no difference between the BE and AAC according to the net ratings. AAC has a couple of programs that really drop the conference ratings.
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(06-26-2019 10:12 AM)orangefan Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:17 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:12 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  What about Memphis could they be accepted into the BE?

They have the FB stadium to be a serious player as an indy.

No, the Big East wouldn’t extend an invite, and it wouldn’t be feasible on the FB front.

If Memphis had interest, they would be the best additional pick out of the AAC. They likely to have a longer term view on the AAC to meet its football needs, and don't face the same travel problems that UConn faces. Also, as discussed elsewhere, the Big East appears to really want to maintain a full round robin schedule.

There's no way in hades that Memphis is going to fall into that trap. If the NBE ratings don't start improving they are basically a dead conference walking. Their hope is that bringing back UCONN (who were dumb enough to deep six their football) will give them the bounce that Fox has yet to receive for overpaying and nurturing them along in the first place. If Fox decides to pull the plug on their "under performing stock " UCONN is going to feel real stupid. So no Memphis is no longer in the " shoot yourself in the foot business ". 04-cheers
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(06-29-2019 06:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(06-25-2019 08:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(06-25-2019 08:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Maybe, but lots of conferences have cross-town rivals. I think being in same conference would strengthen that.

It's feasible, and I actually wouldn't be opposed to Cincy, but I think X envisions leveraging the Big East to be to Cincinnati as Villanova is to Philadelphia/Pennsylvania.

I don't know what X fans think, but they aren't the only school with a say.

I can tell you we wouldn't support it to put it mildly lol. And I doubt the Big East would treat one of it's members that poorly

I don't see how admitting Cincy would be "treating Xavier poorly". Heck, what if Cincy had remained in the Big East after the Big East/AAC split of 2012, would Xavier have turned down the Big East invitation because of Cincy's presence? I doubt it.

Cincy did remain in the Big East. Smh.
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(06-29-2019 07:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 07:21 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 01:45 AM)scoscox Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:31 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:22 PM)Bogg Wrote:  It's feasible, and I actually wouldn't be opposed to Cincy, but I think X envisions leveraging the Big East to be to Cincinnati as Villanova is to Philadelphia/Pennsylvania.

That’s pretty optimistic if they actually think that. Cincinnati has some pretty distinct inherent advantages that X will never have (enrollment, access, public vs private), which is why they will always have the larger fan base. Not to mention the fact that one school is the one with the city’s name across their chest.

It would take UC folding up their basketball program for Xavier to be the program with greater interest in the city.

The fact that you're named Cincinnati and we're not means less than nothing. Temple holds many of the same advantages over nova that uc holds over xavier and yet nova is able to leverage big east membership and success to better national perception. i don't think aspiring to have to have a similar dynamic between x and uc is out of the question. seems like a reasonable goal for x at this point.

I am going to tick off the Owl fans but UC is not Temple. Much stronger brand strength locally, regionally and nationally. Philly is more of a pro town whereas Cincinnati supports both. UC hoops attendance is nearly twice what Temple packs in. Our TV ratings, despite being in a smaller market are better for both sports.

I would say "stronger", but not much stronger. Cincinnati has good brand strength for a G5. One of the best. But Temple's is pretty good too. But both are well-within the context of being G5 brands, meaning their national brand value is pretty minimal. That's just the way it is, and that certainly applies to USF as well. Arguing about brand value among G5s is like arguing about the longest male member under 4 inches.

E.g., regarding attendance, in 2018, football attendance was:

UC ........... 30,519
Temple ..... 28,470

In hoops, it wasn't almost twice as much:

UC ........... 8,081
Temple ..... 6,324

Those are advantages for UC, but not much. As for the cities, the main difference between Cincy and Philly is just sheer size - Cincy, whether regarded as a city proper or metro area, is a small/medium sized city, while Philly is a huge city, it dwarfs Cincy, so of course Temple will never have as much of the city's attention as UC has in Cincy.

That said, I do agree that UC is a bigger brand that Xavier. Your football gives you a brand advantage they can never match, unless they started winning hoops national titles, and that is very, very unlikely.

I’d give Temple the edge tbh..... Not that they aren’t both at the pinnacle of G5.
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(06-29-2019 06:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 01:42 AM)scoscox Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(06-25-2019 08:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Maybe, but lots of conferences have cross-town rivals. I think being in same conference would strengthen that.

It's feasible, and I actually wouldn't be opposed to Cincy, but I think X envisions leveraging the Big East to be to Cincinnati as Villanova is to Philadelphia/Pennsylvania.

I don't know what X fans think, but they aren't the only school with a say.

I can tell you we wouldn't support it to put it mildly lol. And I doubt the Big East would treat one of it's members that poorly

I don't see how admitting Cincy would be "treating Xavier poorly". Heck, what if Cincy had remained in the Big East after the Big East/AAC split of 2012, would Xavier have turned down the Big East invitation because of Cincy's presence? I doubt it.

Quo, think about it this way: say UConn and Cincinnati decided to remain with the C7. If UC is already in tow for a new conference footprint, why would the Presidents decide to double-up on a Midwestern city if the league wanted to keep its East coast-focus/identity?

FWIW, Xavier is a much better institutional fit with the C7 than Cincinnati is (and, conversely, UC is a much better institutional fit with Houston/Memphis/Temple/UCF/USF).

Unlike UConn, UC has prioritized football for decades, positioning itself to be aligned with a football-first conference. Despite the past allegiances with the Big East, there is very little similarities with UConn's return and a potential UC return.
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Cincinnati was added to the OG Big East primarily for their football, UConn forced their football into the Big East primarily to protect basketball. That’s all there is too it.
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This thread is almost as dumb as that "ECU should leave the AAC to form some sort of eastern bastard conference no one would care about." Actually I take that back it's dumber because I can envision scenarios in the future if realignment breaks a certain way that ECU ends up in a league that looks something like that, while there are no scenarios where Cincy just decides to kill their football program to be in the Big East.
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(06-29-2019 09:06 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  Cincinnati was added to the OG Big East primarily for their football, UConn forced their football into the Big East primarily to protect basketball. That’s all there is too it.

I think you'll find that the rest of the OG Big East basketball schools (Providence, Seton Hall, St. Johns, Villanova and Georgetown) wanted one or more of their own to elevate their football programs, so they were encouraging UConn to do this. Remember, there were serious discussions about Villanova moving up, too. That will be one of the great "what-ifs" of conference realignment - if Villanova moves up, how much does that change the way things played out?

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Why would Cincy jeopardize their football program for the NBE? They're still the best positioned G5 program to make it into the Big 12 if they ever decide to expand.
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RE: Should Cincy join UConn in the Big East?
(06-29-2019 09:06 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  Cincinnati was added to the OG Big East primarily for their football, UConn forced their football into the Big East primarily to protect basketball. That’s all there is too it.

UConn did not force their FB into the BE. The BE offered both UConn and Villanova a chance to move their FB up from 1AA at the same time. UConn took advantage of the offer and Villanova did not. UConn would have remained in the BE as a Charter Member whether it moved its FB up or not. If UConn had left it's FB at the 1AA level like Villanova when the C7 split form the current AAC schools UConn would have been with them and Butler more than likely would not be in the NBE as they currently are. 07-coffee3
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RE: Should Cincy join UConn in the Big East?
(06-29-2019 10:27 AM)panite Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 09:06 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  Cincinnati was added to the OG Big East primarily for their football, UConn forced their football into the Big East primarily to protect basketball. That’s all there is too it.

UConn did not force their FB into the BE. The BE offered both UConn and Villanova a chance to move their FB up from 1AA at the same time. UConn took advantage of the offer and Villanova did not. UConn would have remained in the BE as a Charter Member whether it moved its FB up or not. If UConn had left it's FB at the 1AA level like Villanova when the C7 split form the current AAC schools UConn would have been with them and Butler more than likely would not be in the NBE as they currently are. 07-coffee3

You misread. UConn “forced” their square peg football into a round hole to try to protect their basketball it was never about competing for a Natty in football. They don’t give af about football up there, basketball is king.

Obviously they were invited, that’s how it works.05-nono
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