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RE: Should Cincy join UConn in the Big East?
(06-25-2019 08:50 PM)johnintx Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:44 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:36 PM)johnintx Wrote:  No. Their football program has a pulse.

If a P5 conference looks to expand from the ranks of the G5, Cincinnati has a chance to move. They're not a slam dunk, but they have a chance. As long as they have a chance to move to a P5 conference, they need to stay where they are.

Yes, and we're on the upswing. There is a legit shot at winning the conference chip and getting the Cotton Bowl invite this year. That would do wonders for our profile not seen since the Brian Kelly era. Cincinnati has invested too much in facilities and the football program in general to not stay alive for a shot at a better conference. If that doesn't come after 2025 then check back on this...

When I said No, I meant to say they shouldn't move to the Big East. Cincinnati needs to stay in the AAC until a better opportunity comes about. UConn realized that their P5 dream was over, and moved to the BE. The P5 dream isn't over for Cincinnati.

I know what you meant. I stated "Yes" as in agreement with your "No." LOL. 04-cheers
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(06-25-2019 08:22 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:07 PM)Bogg Wrote:  I think X freezes them out.

Maybe, but lots of conferences have cross-town rivals. I think being in same conference would strengthen that.

It's feasible, and I actually wouldn't be opposed to Cincy, but I think X envisions leveraging the Big East to be to Cincinnati as Villanova is to Philadelphia/Pennsylvania.

That’s pretty optimistic if they actually think that. Cincinnati has some pretty distinct inherent advantages that X will never have (enrollment, access, public vs private), which is why they will always have the larger fan base. Not to mention the fact that one school is the one with the city’s name across their chest.

It would take UC folding up their basketball program for Xavier to be the program with greater interest in the city.
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(06-25-2019 09:31 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  It would take UC folding up their basketball program for Xavier to be the program with greater interest in the city.

More about performance than interest. Only so much you can do about the size of the respective student bodies, but they could potentially leverage their spot in the Big East into continuing to be the top-performing team in the city.
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(06-25-2019 08:50 PM)johnintx Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:44 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:36 PM)johnintx Wrote:  No. Their football program has a pulse.

If a P5 conference looks to expand from the ranks of the G5, Cincinnati has a chance to move. They're not a slam dunk, but they have a chance. As long as they have a chance to move to a P5 conference, they need to stay where they are.

Yes, and we're on the upswing. There is a legit shot at winning the conference chip and getting the Cotton Bowl invite this year. That would do wonders for our profile not seen since the Brian Kelly era. Cincinnati has invested too much in facilities and the football program in general to not stay alive for a shot at a better conference. If that doesn't come after 2025 then check back on this...

When I said No, I meant to say they shouldn't move to the Big East. Cincinnati needs to stay in the AAC until a better opportunity comes about. UConn realized that their P5 dream was over, and moved to the BE. The P5 dream isn't over for Cincinnati.

I disagree. While as a Big East fan i am 95% happy that UConn is coming back, 5% of me is curcumspect, because for the first time, we now have a member for whom the Big East is not the destination conference.

IOWs, i do not think UConn has given up on P5 in the least, they just think the Big East is a better platform from which to achieve it than the AAC proved to be.
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(06-25-2019 09:33 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:31 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  It would take UC folding up their basketball program for Xavier to be the program with greater interest in the city.

More about performance than interest. Only so much you can do about the size of the respective student bodies, but they could potentially leverage their spot in the Big East into continuing to be the top-performing team in the city.

As much as my fellow fans won’t want to admit it, Xavier was the best performing team in the city for the decade of the 2000s as a whole, and, in the NCAAs at least, the last 8 years as well.

It’s a systemic issue, not a performance based one. As long as the UC basketball program exists, Xavier will be 2nd in fan interest. People in Cincinnati just don’t see it as the city’s team. It’s the same reason why UC could never be more popular than Ohio St.
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RE: Should Cincy join UConn in the Big East?
(06-25-2019 09:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:50 PM)johnintx Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:44 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:36 PM)johnintx Wrote:  No. Their football program has a pulse.

If a P5 conference looks to expand from the ranks of the G5, Cincinnati has a chance to move. They're not a slam dunk, but they have a chance. As long as they have a chance to move to a P5 conference, they need to stay where they are.

Yes, and we're on the upswing. There is a legit shot at winning the conference chip and getting the Cotton Bowl invite this year. That would do wonders for our profile not seen since the Brian Kelly era. Cincinnati has invested too much in facilities and the football program in general to not stay alive for a shot at a better conference. If that doesn't come after 2025 then check back on this...

When I said No, I meant to say they shouldn't move to the Big East. Cincinnati needs to stay in the AAC until a better opportunity comes about. UConn realized that their P5 dream was over, and moved to the BE. The P5 dream isn't over for Cincinnati.

I disagree. While as a Big East fan i am 95% happy that UConn is coming back, 5% of me is curcumspect, because for the first time, we now have a member for whom the Big East is not the destination conference.

IOWs, i do not think UConn has given up on P5 in the least, they just think the Big East is a better platform from which to achieve it than the AAC proved to be.

They have given up on football. They just aren’t saying that out loud yet. The Big East is UConns final destination. It’s a power basketball conference—and that’s a worthy final destination. That’s basically where UConns roots are.
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(06-25-2019 08:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Seems like from a $$$ POV it could work. They could get the $4m from the Big East for T1 rights for all but football, go Indy in football for maybe $4m a year from ESPN, and sell the T3 for another million or two.

That beats the Aresco deal, no?


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Aside from any financial implications, Cincinnati is associated with many institutions that it is had long relationships with (much longer than anyone in the Big East). Their conference affiliation with USF and Memphis dates back to the early 1990's; Tulane from the mid 1970's; Houston and ECU from the mid 1990's; Soon, they will have shared a conference with schools like UCF, Temple, SMU and Tulsa longer than anyone that had in the Big East.

If you tossed in a school like Louisville with that current membership (and UC fans can obviously correct me if I am wrong), I would think that would have been a realistic and optimal conference set-up for them moving forward (member-wise, assuming it had access to the CFP and appropriate $$$ figures).
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(06-25-2019 08:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Maybe, but lots of conferences have cross-town rivals. I think being in same conference would strengthen that.

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(06-26-2019 08:49 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Aside from any financial implications, Cincinnati is associated with many institutions that it is had long relationships with (much longer than anyone in the Big East). Their conference affiliation with USF and Memphis dates back to the early 1990's; Tulane from the mid 1970's; Houston and ECU from the mid 1990's; Soon, they will have shared a conference with schools like UCF, Temple, SMU and Tulsa longer than anyone that had in the Big East.

If you tossed in a school like Louisville with that current membership (and UC fans can obviously correct me if I am wrong), I would think that would have been a realistic and optimal conference set-up for them moving forward (member-wise, assuming it had access to the CFP and appropriate $$$ figures).

We've had off and on relations with most of those schools, but nobody consistently. Its part-in-parcel of bouncing around in so many conferences over the years. You as a Marquette fan should know this as well I do-- you guys were in the Great Midwest and C-USA with us.

The truth of the matter is (and I am not trying to besmirch any of the institutions in the AAC) our fans don't give a crap about anyone in the conference and we want to play at the highest level. The Big East, which included the quartet of Ohio River schools UC, Louisville, Pitt and WV was perfect for us and energized the casual fan base and got people in other corners of Ohio interested in UC athletics. The ideal situation for us would include a couple of the schools mentioned (again taking nothing away from UCF, Houston and Memphis which have fine athletic programs).
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(06-26-2019 08:52 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Maybe, but lots of conferences have cross-town rivals. I think being in same conference would strengthen that.

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They are not cross-town. Oxford is an hour away, but might as well be 10. Nobody cares about Miami of Ohio in Cincinnati. They do not even get covered by the local media.
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I think UConn leaving and this Cincy analysis shows the weakness of the new deal Aresco inked with ESPN. One of the hallmarks of a good deal is that a school can't do better on their own. E.g., regarding the B1G and SEC deals, not only could lower level teams like Purdue and Ole Miss not do better by going football indy, Michigan and Alabama couldn't do better either. Both would make less as an indy, much like Notre Dame makes less as an indy than they could in a P5.

But UConn, and probably Cincy, could get paid more going football indy and joining the Big East for other sports.

The Aresco deal was a soft deal. One we waited 7 years for.
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(06-25-2019 08:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:22 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:07 PM)Bogg Wrote:  I think X freezes them out.

Maybe, but lots of conferences have cross-town rivals. I think being in same conference would strengthen that.

It's feasible, and I actually wouldn't be opposed to Cincy, but I think X envisions leveraging the Big East to be to Cincinnati as Villanova is to Philadelphia/Pennsylvania.

I don't know what X fans think, but they aren't the only school with a say.


They are keeping Dayton out of the Big East. Dayton is looking for an upgrade in conference themselves. So, if Dayton is being kept out? So would be Cincinnati as well.
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(06-26-2019 09:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I think UConn leaving and this Cincy analysis shows the weakness of the new deal Aresco inked with ESPN. One of the hallmarks of a good deal is that a school can't do better on their own. E.g., regarding the B1G and SEC deals, not only could lower level teams like Purdue and Ole Miss not do better by going football indy, Michigan and Alabama couldn't do better either. Both would make less as an indy, much like Notre Dame makes less as an indy than they could in a P5.

But UConn, and probably Cincy, could get paid more going football indy and joining the Big East for other sports.

The Aresco deal was a soft deal. One we waited 7 years for.

I personally think you are making this into something it's not to satisfy you passive-aggression towards the AAC. I have yet to see any scenario where Uconn is actually going to profit from this move.

Even if you reduce travel cost it does not eliminate travel costs. I'm not really in a mood to look it up, but realistically we are probably talking about $50-$70 per person level savings here. Flying to Cincinnati to play Xavier is not really that much cheaper than flying to Houston.

UConn is not going to make a profit from this move:

- They likely will have to pay the AAC exit fee and legal fees
- There is going to be costs associated with rebranding
- A flight to Xavier is really not much cheaper than a flight to Houston
- No matter how we twist things, the Big East makes less money
- Their football team was losing money with a decent schedule.

This move simply does not make sense unless they secretly plan on ending their football team in the future. If they did that then this would be a fantastic move for UConn.
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One of the drivers of all of this was for the Big East to get to a round robin of 20 games by adding an 11th team. Adding Cincinnati would kill that, so I think this is a non-starter. I'll just ignore the rest of this discussion, because I think it was intended more to be provocative than it was to be serious...

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(06-26-2019 09:28 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:22 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:07 PM)Bogg Wrote:  I think X freezes them out.

Maybe, but lots of conferences have cross-town rivals. I think being in same conference would strengthen that.

It's feasible, and I actually wouldn't be opposed to Cincy, but I think X envisions leveraging the Big East to be to Cincinnati as Villanova is to Philadelphia/Pennsylvania.



I don't know what X fans think, but they aren't the only school with a say.


They are keeping Dayton out of the Big East. Dayton is looking for an upgrade in conference themselves. So, if Dayton is being kept out? So would be Cincinnati as well.

Cincinnati doesn't want to be in the Big East.
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Cincinnati has some of the best regional recruiting in the country for Football. The University knows that it would be foolish to jeopardize what could potentially be a top 25 program every year for what, a Big East that actually pays less money? UC isn't killing off football like UConn, so it is an easy hard pass.

Also don't pretend like independence is going to bring in millions on a tv contract. Who is paying for that outside of ND and BYU?
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(06-25-2019 08:17 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:12 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  What about Memphis could they be accepted into the BE?

They have the FB stadium to be a serious player as an indy.

No, the Big East wouldn’t extend an invite, and it wouldn’t be feasible on the FB front.

If Memphis had interest, they would be the best additional pick out of the AAC. They likely to have a longer term view on the AAC to meet its football needs, and don't face the same travel problems that UConn faces. Also, as discussed elsewhere, the Big East appears to really want to maintain a full round robin schedule.
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