So everyone thinks if the AAC goes 11 for hoops that they go 20 round robin and that hurts teams because they have to see teams like ECU and Tulane twice....

The problem with that thought is that with the NET, games with teams like that didn't hurt anywhere near as much as they did with the RPI. In the RPI you could play a bad team, and your rating would drop by more than if you had lost to a good team.

So playing those bad teams don't hurt anywhere near as much in the NET as they did in the RPI.

If AAC stays 11 for FB, why can’t they go 12 for BB and pitch a case to VCU?

(06-25-2019 12:18 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  If AAC stays 11 for FB, why can’t they go 12 for BB and pitch a case to VCU?

Then what happens if a FB playing school emerges as a great candidate?

At the end of the day it's another opportunity to step on a landmine

(06-25-2019 12:18 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  If AAC stays 11 for FB, why can’t they go 12 for BB and pitch a case to VCU?

that's what I would do. 12 does allow you to not do a round robin, 20 game schedule, which can really hurt your chances of having 6-7 teams finishing with fewer than 10 losses ....

(06-25-2019 12:34 PM)TheBasketBallOpinion Wrote:  At the end of the day it's another opportunity to step on a landmine

yeah but those don't explode much at all.... And even last year, Cincy stepped on one, and it really didn't hurt them at all..

The most important factor now for teams on the bubble is the number of wins over good teams, not the number of losses to bad teams. The way to schedule is to maximize your best teams' games vs. good teams.

(06-25-2019 12:11 PM)stever20 Wrote:  So everyone thinks if the AAC goes 11 for hoops that they go 20 round robin and that hurts teams because they have to see teams like ECU and Tulane twice....

The problem with that thought is that with the NET, games with teams like that didn't hurt anywhere near as much as they did with the RPI. In the RPI you could play a bad team, and your rating would drop by more than if you had lost to a good team.

So playing those bad teams don't hurt anywhere near as much in the NET as they did in the RPI.

They could--but it might be better to see who the football add is first. Personally, I always have liked the idea of adding VCU. I wanted to add them at the same time we added Wichita. Im my veiw--you build the conference best when you add when strong.

(06-25-2019 02:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 12:11 PM)stever20 Wrote:  So everyone thinks if the AAC goes 11 for hoops that they go 20 round robin and that hurts teams because they have to see teams like ECU and Tulane twice....

The problem with that thought is that with the NET, games with teams like that didn't hurt anywhere near as much as they did with the RPI. In the RPI you could play a bad team, and your rating would drop by more than if you had lost to a good team.

So playing those bad teams don't hurt anywhere near as much in the NET as they did in the RPI.

They could--but it might be better to see who the football add is first. Personally, I always have liked the idea of adding VCU. I wanted to add them at the same time we added Wichita. Im my veiw--you build the conference best when you add when strong.

Yeah, I agree....

Will be really interesting to see what eventually happens. Given the time, it wouldn't have shocked me to see something with VCU this week- as if they got their notice in this week, it would be a lot cheaper for them leaving the A10- think like at least 2 million dollars- to be able to leave for 20-21 season- getting it in prior to the July 1 deadline.

(06-25-2019 02:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 02:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 12:11 PM)stever20 Wrote:  So everyone thinks if the AAC goes 11 for hoops that they go 20 round robin and that hurts teams because they have to see teams like ECU and Tulane twice....

The problem with that thought is that with the NET, games with teams like that didn't hurt anywhere near as much as they did with the RPI. In the RPI you could play a bad team, and your rating would drop by more than if you had lost to a good team.

So playing those bad teams don't hurt anywhere near as much in the NET as they did in the RPI.

They could--but it might be better to see who the football add is first. Personally, I always have liked the idea of adding VCU. I wanted to add them at the same time we added Wichita. Im my veiw--you build the conference best when you add when strong.

Yeah, I agree....

Will be really interesting to see what eventually happens. Given the time, it wouldn't have shocked me to see something with VCU this week- as if they got their notice in this week, it would be a lot cheaper for them leaving the A10- think like at least 2 million dollars- to be able to leave for 20-21 season- getting it in prior to the July 1 deadline.

I don't think anything happens quickly.

You would hope for AAC folks that they knew this was possible- and had a plan of attack in case something like this happened.....

I think it's more important for the AAC to go to 12 in basketball than it is in football. At this point, any 12th football team would likely add little to the AAC (even if they provide more than UConn), but a 12th basketball program could mean another NCAA bid and the resultant shares. From an optics perspective, nobody is going to think less of the AAC without UConn football, but standing pat sans UConn hoops looks like a loss (especially since they left for the Big East and not, say, the Big 12 or ACC). Adding a 12th team may not make up for UConn's historical contribution (Gonzaga comes closest, but that's not happening anyway), but adding, say VCU or Dayton makes it look less of a loss, and depending on how the respective programs evolve, may end up being better in the long run after all.

The ECU and Tulane issue is overblown in round robin.

The situation is 5 schools play that combo 4 times, 4 play them 3 times in a given year. The exposure is increased from 32 to 36 games. And in fact 1 in 10 years ECU and Tulane would not face each other in the rotation, so it's actually from 32.1 to 36 games. But on the flip side the other 9 higher RPI schools add 14 games to the rotation, 11.1 against each other.

In balance teams get 0.433 additional bad games, get 1.567 more good games. But you cannot evaluate this in a vacuum, as if you play two more conference games you play two fewer pre-league OOC games. If you are dropping two weak opponents from your pre-league schedule, you gain 1.567 strong opponents. If you drop one strong and one weak, then you gain 0.567 strong opponents.

The other thing to note if you drop a weak couple opponents, you are swapping two low value pre-league home games for one league home games (could be a positive if you struggle with pre-league home attendance, a negative if you sell out those games also)

On balance the Tulane, ECU problem is not a real problem for 20 games. Still the league could and should put pressure on both to put more emphasis on their basketball programs. You see similar pressure being placed on Nebraska, Penn State and Rutgers in the B1G with some improvement as a result.

(06-25-2019 03:08 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The ECU and Tulane issue is overblown in round robin.

The situation is 5 schools play that combo 4 times, 4 play them 3 times in a given year. The exposure is increased from 32 to 36 games. And in fact 1 in 10 years ECU and Tulane would not face each other in the rotation, so it's actually from 32.1 to 36 games. But on the flip side the other 9 higher RPI schools add 14 games to the rotation, 11.1 against each other.

In balance teams get 0.433 additional bad games, get 1.567 more good games. But you cannot evaluate this in a vacuum, as if you play two more conference games you play two fewer pre-league OOC games. If you are dropping two weak opponents from your pre-league schedule, you gain 1.567 strong opponents. If you drop one strong and one weak, then you gain 0.567 strong opponents.

The other thing to note if you drop a weak couple opponents, you are swapping two low value pre-league home games for a league home games.

On balance the Tulane, ECU problem is not a real problem for 20 games. Still the league could and should put pressure on both to put more emphasis on their basketball programs. You see similar pressure being placed on Nebraska, Penn State and Rutgers in the B1G with some improvement as a result.

Tulane and ECU have made decent coaching hires. It's not going to be an overnight turnaround but they're at least making a good-faith effort to improve their lot.