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Is the American's new TV deal the real reason why UCONN is leaving?
The failed P-6 campaign that led to a lousy TV deal with ESPN along with UConn athletic department in 2018: generated $40 million in revenue, spent $81 million in expenses is why UConn is packing it up and going home!

“The long-term goal is obviously to move athletics closer to financial self-sufficiency,” UConn spokeswoman Stephanie Reitz said in an email, noting that as recently as 2013, the athletic department did not require a significant subsidy. “In recent years, declining conference and media licensing revenue, along with rising costs, have created the current deficit. It is not sustainable and the Division of Athletics is continually working to identify savings and drive up revenue in order to help close this gap.”

The biggest individual team culprit of the UConn athletic department’s 2018 deficit was the school’s football program, which lost $8.7 million. Additionally, men’s basketball lost about $5 million, women’s basketball lost about $3.1 million and the rest of the school’s sports lost about $22.3 million among them.

Lets look at the new American P-6 TV Deal: At first glance: Each school will get just under $7 million per year starting in 2020-21, still not at the level of the SEC’s $43.1 million from 2017-18 but considerably more than the couch change that Div. I’s have-nots receive. The fine print: Most games will be on ESPN+, a pay web service ($4.99 per month) with only 2 million subscribers, rather than linear or “real” TV; schools are responsible for on-campus production costs, which some estimate could lower their net annual take by as much as $2 million; and the deal is for 12 years, when technology may change and media rights might be worth more and Div. I athletic budgets will undoubtedly have soared.

“That’s what blew me away,” SDSU’s Wicker says, “that 13 years from now they’re still only going to be getting $7 million per school, knowing what things cost today and what they might cost in 13 years. I would be surprised if we got locked into something like that. I think that’s too long.”

So UConn to the Big East Makes Sense, Feels Terrible....Why??? The timing is interesting in one regard. UConn stopped receiving payouts from the current Big East schools this year for the split that took place six years ago.

As part of the settlement, the basketball-only schools kept the Big East name and Madison Square Garden for its conference championship, while the leftover football schools were compensated handsomely. The football schools reportedly kept roughly $100 million of the $110 million left over from previous exit fees, entry fees, and money earned during the NCAA tournament.

And now it appears as though they want back in The BIG East jumping from a BAD AAC TV deal to a more stable BIG EAST "Basketball Only" TV Deal!

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The American is going to average $7M a year per team on the new TV deal, and the Big East gets about $4M per team. Both are 12 year contracts, which the BE is in the middle of now.

In both cases, that doesn't count NCAA BB credits, and for the AAC, it doesn't count bowl revenue.
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(06-25-2019 09:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The American is going to average $7M a year per team on the new TV deal, and the Big East gets about $4M per team. Both are 12 year contracts, which the BE is in the middle of now.

In both cases, that doesn't count NCAA BB credits, and for the AAC, it doesn't count bowl revenue.

The Bottomline:
AAC schools are responsible for on-campus production costs, which some estimate could lower their net annual take by as much as $2 million... So AAC schools will only see 5M... Big East pays 4M... For a school who is losing a ton of money via travel cost....going to the BIG East and then placing their football program at the Indy or FCS level makes way more $$ense than staying with the AAC and losing as much as 40M a year.... Just saying!!!
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(06-25-2019 09:23 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The American is going to average $7M a year per team on the new TV deal, and the Big East gets about $4M per team. Both are 12 year contracts, which the BE is in the middle of now.

In both cases, that doesn't count NCAA BB credits, and for the AAC, it doesn't count bowl revenue.

The Bottomline:
AAC schools are responsible for on-campus production costs, which some estimate could lower their net annual take by as much as $2 million... So AAC schools will only see 5M... Big East pays 4M... For a school who is losing a ton of money via travel cost....going to the BIG East and then placing their football program at the FCS level makes way more $$ense than staying with the AAC and losing as much as 40M a year.... Just saying!!!

"some estimate" tells me all I need to know to stay out of this thread if I'm looking for actual information. This is the equivalent of "some good people on both sides."

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(06-25-2019 09:23 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The American is going to average $7M a year per team on the new TV deal, and the Big East gets about $4M per team. Both are 12 year contracts, which the BE is in the middle of now.

In both cases, that doesn't count NCAA BB credits, and for the AAC, it doesn't count bowl revenue.

The Bottomline:
AAC schools are responsible for on-campus production costs, which some estimate could lower their net annual take by as much as $2 million... So AAC schools will only see 5M... Big East pays 4M... For a school who is losing a ton of money via travel cost....going to the BIG East and then placing their football program at the FCS level makes way more $$ense than staying with the AAC and losing as much as 40M a year.... Just saying!!!

That $2M figure is not accurate. Most AAC schools already have production facilities and use them for some non-revenue sports, or lesser BB games. Memphis' cost is maybe $200K, not $2M. Others vary, but it's not going to be anything close to $2M to produce some FB and/or BB games.

OTOH, I agree that UConn is better off in the Big East, simply b/c they are pissing money down a rabbit hole on football, which they have little interest in. Better for both sides, since UConn has arguably the worst FB team in FBS, and basketball the last 2 years has finished 8th and T9, and never above 5th since they won the NC in 2014 (when they finished 3rd AAC that year)
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(06-25-2019 09:28 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:23 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The American is going to average $7M a year per team on the new TV deal, and the Big East gets about $4M per team. Both are 12 year contracts, which the BE is in the middle of now.

In both cases, that doesn't count NCAA BB credits, and for the AAC, it doesn't count bowl revenue.

The Bottomline:
AAC schools are responsible for on-campus production costs, which some estimate could lower their net annual take by as much as $2 million... So AAC schools will only see 5M... Big East pays 4M... For a school who is losing a ton of money via travel cost....going to the BIG East and then placing their football program at the FCS level makes way more $$ense than staying with the AAC and losing as much as 40M a year.... Just saying!!!

"some estimate" tells me all I need to know to stay out of this thread if I'm looking for actual information. This is the equivalent of "some good people on both sides."

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Ok enlighten me, how much will South Florida spend for on-campus production costs? What has your AD told you?
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UConn left the AAC to go to the BE to salvage their basketball program. The difference between what they can make from the AAC tv contract and what they will make in the BE is actually peanuts when you look at the overall budget. Before this latest round of realignment, the UConn name was huge on the national scene. In less than seven years its been reduced to almost irrelevancy. By simply being aligned with and playing their deep historic rivals as conference mates in a league like the Big East, which still is a big deal, will restore the program back to relevance very quickly. Especially if they have a coach who knows how to win. I hate to admit this, but they do have a coach who knows how to win, even though I cant stand his baboonish demeanor on the court.
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(06-25-2019 09:31 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:23 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The American is going to average $7M a year per team on the new TV deal, and the Big East gets about $4M per team. Both are 12 year contracts, which the BE is in the middle of now.

In both cases, that doesn't count NCAA BB credits, and for the AAC, it doesn't count bowl revenue.

The Bottomline:
AAC schools are responsible for on-campus production costs, which some estimate could lower their net annual take by as much as $2 million... So AAC schools will only see 5M... Big East pays 4M... For a school who is losing a ton of money via travel cost....going to the BIG East and then placing their football program at the FCS level makes way more $$ense than staying with the AAC and losing as much as 40M a year.... Just saying!!!

That $2M figure is not accurate. Most AAC schools already have production facilities and use them for some non-revenue sports, or lesser BB games. Memphis' cost is maybe $200K, not $2M. Others vary, but it's not going to be anything close to $2M to produce some FB and/or BB games.

OTOH, I agree that UConn is better off in the Big East, simply b/c they are pissing money down a rabbit hole on football, which they have little interest in. Better for both sides, since UConn has arguably the worst FB team in FBS, and basketball the last 2 years has finished 8th and T9, and never above 5th since they won the NC in 2014 (when they finished 3rd AAC that year)

Ok... So The following article does not apply to Memphis but everyone else: With American Athletic Conference Extending ESPN Rights Deal, Athletic Departments Will Expand Live-Production Efforts--Besides sizable linear slate produced by ESPN, 11,000+ games will be produced by AAC schools for distribution on ESPN+
It will also vastly alter the landscape of video production on the campuses of The American’s 12 institutions. with schools taking over production of many of the Olympic events running on ESPN+, the new direct-to-consumer, subscription-based streaming service. As outlined in the deal, that’s live coverage of well more than 11,000 events.

How many events each school will produce will be determined on an annual basis, with the host institution responsible for production. It’s expected that all member schools will be running at full force by the start of the 2020-21 academic year.

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(06-25-2019 09:31 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:23 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The American is going to average $7M a year per team on the new TV deal, and the Big East gets about $4M per team. Both are 12 year contracts, which the BE is in the middle of now.

In both cases, that doesn't count NCAA BB credits, and for the AAC, it doesn't count bowl revenue.

The Bottomline:
AAC schools are responsible for on-campus production costs, which some estimate could lower their net annual take by as much as $2 million... So AAC schools will only see 5M... Big East pays 4M... For a school who is losing a ton of money via travel cost....going to the BIG East and then placing their football program at the FCS level makes way more $$ense than staying with the AAC and losing as much as 40M a year.... Just saying!!!

That $2M figure is not accurate. Most AAC schools already have production facilities and use them for some non-revenue sports, or lesser BB games. Memphis' cost is maybe $200K, not $2M. Others vary, but it's not going to be anything close to $2M to produce some FB and/or BB games.

OTOH, I agree that UConn is better off in the Big East, simply b/c they are pissing money down a rabbit hole on football, which they have little interest in. Better for both sides, since UConn has arguably the worst FB team in FBS, and basketball the last 2 years has finished 8th and T9, and never above 5th since they won the NC in 2014 (when they finished 3rd AAC that year)

The conference is picking up production costs for any FB games relegated to plus. They will also pick up any championships on plus (think oly sports). Regular season BB games and Olympic games/matches/meets... on plus will be up to the schools to produce. As far as costs go, both Aresco and Rudd have said it’s no where near that $2M figure. And, if you think about it logically, there’s no way it would be feasible for the MAC or SBC or any other non power conference at those costs. Why would it cost so much more for the AAC than the others? Rudd also said that there is some upgrading that needs to be done on campus and that the conference has hired consultants and the university has been working with them and ESPN to be ready on time.

ETA: I haven’t heard any hard figures from Memphis as far as costs go. I’m guessing that’s still be figured out. I’m not even sure how you would get to that $2M annual operating figure once sunk costs get everyone up to speed.
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(06-25-2019 09:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The American is going to average $7M a year per team on the new TV deal, and the Big East gets about $4M per team. Both are 12 year contracts, which the BE is in the middle of now.

In both cases, that doesn't count NCAA BB credits, and for the AAC, it doesn't count bowl revenue.

Big East is on the back end of their deal so it's higher than the average while the AAC is at the beginning of their deal so it's at the lowest point of the average. So probably very similar payments and one is just for BBall.
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(06-25-2019 10:07 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:31 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:23 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The American is going to average $7M a year per team on the new TV deal, and the Big East gets about $4M per team. Both are 12 year contracts, which the BE is in the middle of now.

In both cases, that doesn't count NCAA BB credits, and for the AAC, it doesn't count bowl revenue.

The Bottomline:
AAC schools are responsible for on-campus production costs, which some estimate could lower their net annual take by as much as $2 million... So AAC schools will only see 5M... Big East pays 4M... For a school who is losing a ton of money via travel cost....going to the BIG East and then placing their football program at the FCS level makes way more $$ense than staying with the AAC and losing as much as 40M a year.... Just saying!!!

That $2M figure is not accurate. Most AAC schools already have production facilities and use them for some non-revenue sports, or lesser BB games. Memphis' cost is maybe $200K, not $2M. Others vary, but it's not going to be anything close to $2M to produce some FB and/or BB games.

OTOH, I agree that UConn is better off in the Big East, simply b/c they are pissing money down a rabbit hole on football, which they have little interest in. Better for both sides, since UConn has arguably the worst FB team in FBS, and basketball the last 2 years has finished 8th and T9, and never above 5th since they won the NC in 2014 (when they finished 3rd AAC that year)

The conference is picking up production costs for any FB games relegated to plus. They will also pick up any championships on plus (think oly sports). Regular season BB games and Olympic games/matches/meets... on plus will be up to the schools to produce. As far as costs go, both Aresco and Rudd have said it’s no where near that $2M figure. And, if you think about it logically, there’s no way it would be feasible for the MAC or SBC or any other non power conference at those costs. Why would it cost so much more for the AAC than the others? Rudd also said that there is some upgrading that needs to be done on campus and that the conference has hired consultants and the university has been working with them and ESPN to be ready on time.

ETA: I haven’t heard any hard figures from Memphis as far as costs go. I’m guessing that’s still be figured out. I’m not even sure how you would get to that $2M annual operating figure once sunk costs get everyone up to speed.

So what is the number that all the AAC ADs are telling their Donors??

Straight from your Commish:

As for the logistics, the conference will hire a company to produce the football games and Olympic sports championships featured on ESPN+. (probably Raycom Sports) Men’s and women’s basketball games, as well as regular-season Olympic sporting events, will be left up to the individual schools to produce at their cost.

The schools will have to build out infrastructure to accommodate the move, but Aresco said that each member institution is prepared to do it. He said part of the revenue from the new agreement allows them to upgrade facilities like control rooms and mobile TV units. Consultants were also brought in to speak with each member school to make sure it was a feasible option, and Aresco said the conference is still researching how to allocate funding as each school works toward a start-up date of 2021.

“There’s some work to do in terms of logistics, but it’s all good because everybody is really happy with the new deal and the amount of revenue we’re going to be getting in,” Aresco added.

Under the new deal, people who subscribe to ESPN+ can find AAC content under its own section with the ability to set alerts for kickoff times and scores.

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(06-25-2019 10:29 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 10:01 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:31 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:23 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The American is going to average $7M a year per team on the new TV deal, and the Big East gets about $4M per team. Both are 12 year contracts, which the BE is in the middle of now.

In both cases, that doesn't count NCAA BB credits, and for the AAC, it doesn't count bowl revenue.

The Bottomline:
AAC schools are responsible for on-campus production costs, which some estimate could lower their net annual take by as much as $2 million... So AAC schools will only see 5M... Big East pays 4M... For a school who is losing a ton of money via travel cost....going to the BIG East and then placing their football program at the FCS level makes way more $$ense than staying with the AAC and losing as much as 40M a year.... Just saying!!!

That $2M figure is not accurate. Most AAC schools already have production facilities and use them for some non-revenue sports, or lesser BB games. Memphis' cost is maybe $200K, not $2M. Others vary, but it's not going to be anything close to $2M to produce some FB and/or BB games.

OTOH, I agree that UConn is better off in the Big East, simply b/c they are pissing money down a rabbit hole on football, which they have little interest in. Better for both sides, since UConn has arguably the worst FB team in FBS, and basketball the last 2 years has finished 8th and T9, and never above 5th since they won the NC in 2014 (when they finished 3rd AAC that year)

Ok... So The following article does not apply to Memphis but everyone else: With American Athletic Conference Extending ESPN Rights Deal, Athletic Departments Will Expand Live-Production Efforts--Besides sizable linear slate produced by ESPN, 11,000+ games will be produced by AAC schools for distribution on ESPN+
It will also vastly alter the landscape of video production on the campuses of The American’s 12 institutions. with schools taking over production of many of the Olympic events running on ESPN+, the new direct-to-consumer, subscription-based streaming service. As outlined in the deal, that’s live coverage of well more than 11,000 events.

How many events each school will produce will be determined on an annual basis, with the host institution responsible for production. It’s expected that all member schools will be running at full force by the start of the 2020-21 academic year.

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https://www.sportsvideo.org/2019/03/27/a...n-efforts/

Read post #9. Production costs will be nowhere near $2M. Your article says nothing about costs, and implies that all events will be covered, which is not accurate. Not even close.

Most AAC schools already have production facilities and already broadcast some of these events. And 11,000 live events (for what was then 12 schools) averages out to just over 900 per school. But it won't be anywhere close to all of them aired on ESPN+. It will be a select few (outlined in Post #9), since there is not going to be any AAC Network.

I repeat, the Memphis prez has already said that our costs would be maybe $200K. Costs will vary by school, depending on how far along their production facilities already are, and how many events actually wind up on ESPN+.
Please provide the link were the Memphis Prez states that all that is needed is a 200K upgrade.... I think it is a 200K cost-share for each school to pay for a third party to Produce ACC Championship games on ESPN+. Please provide link to set the record straight...
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(06-25-2019 09:23 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The American is going to average $7M a year per team on the new TV deal, and the Big East gets about $4M per team. Both are 12 year contracts, which the BE is in the middle of now.

In both cases, that doesn't count NCAA BB credits, and for the AAC, it doesn't count bowl revenue.

The Bottomline:
AAC schools are responsible for on-campus production costs, which some estimate could lower their net annual take by as much as $2 million... So AAC schools will only see 5M... Big East pays 4M... For a school who is losing a ton of money via travel cost....going to the BIG East and then placing their football program at the Indy or FCS level makes way more $$ense than staying with the AAC and losing as much as 40M a year.... Just saying!!!

That 2 million dollar cost estimate has been debunked. There might be 2 million in start up costs if your University is bulding it’s streaming capability from scratch—but the annual costs are not going to be anywhere near 2 million per school. The truth is most schools AAC schools are already providing streams for their own proprietary school based streaming platforms for sports like baseball, softball, women’s basketball, etc. In other words, the costs to produce 100 streaming events per school (the number required once the contract ramps up) are already largely built into in the current existing budgets. The only thing really changing is you’ll find all the schools streams on one platform rather than 12 different individual school platforms.
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(06-25-2019 10:32 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 10:29 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 10:01 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:31 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:23 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  The Bottomline:
AAC schools are responsible for on-campus production costs, which some estimate could lower their net annual take by as much as $2 million... So AAC schools will only see 5M... Big East pays 4M... For a school who is losing a ton of money via travel cost....going to the BIG East and then placing their football program at the FCS level makes way more $$ense than staying with the AAC and losing as much as 40M a year.... Just saying!!!

That $2M figure is not accurate. Most AAC schools already have production facilities and use them for some non-revenue sports, or lesser BB games. Memphis' cost is maybe $200K, not $2M. Others vary, but it's not going to be anything close to $2M to produce some FB and/or BB games.

OTOH, I agree that UConn is better off in the Big East, simply b/c they are pissing money down a rabbit hole on football, which they have little interest in. Better for both sides, since UConn has arguably the worst FB team in FBS, and basketball the last 2 years has finished 8th and T9, and never above 5th since they won the NC in 2014 (when they finished 3rd AAC that year)

Ok... So The following article does not apply to Memphis but everyone else: With American Athletic Conference Extending ESPN Rights Deal, Athletic Departments Will Expand Live-Production Efforts--Besides sizable linear slate produced by ESPN, 11,000+ games will be produced by AAC schools for distribution on ESPN+
It will also vastly alter the landscape of video production on the campuses of The American’s 12 institutions. with schools taking over production of many of the Olympic events running on ESPN+, the new direct-to-consumer, subscription-based streaming service. As outlined in the deal, that’s live coverage of well more than 11,000 events.

How many events each school will produce will be determined on an annual basis, with the host institution responsible for production. It’s expected that all member schools will be running at full force by the start of the 2020-21 academic year.

Link
https://www.sportsvideo.org/2019/03/27/a...n-efforts/

Read post #9. Production costs will be nowhere near $2M. Your article says nothing about costs, and implies that all events will be covered, which is not accurate. Not even close.

Most AAC schools already have production facilities and already broadcast some of these events. And 11,000 live events (for what was then 12 schools) averages out to just over 900 per school. But it won't be anywhere close to all of them aired on ESPN+. It will be a select few (outlined in Post #9), since there is not going to be any AAC Network.

I repeat, the Memphis prez has already said that our costs would be maybe $200K. Costs will vary by school, depending on how far along their production facilities already are, and how many events actually wind up on ESPN+.
Link for the Memphis Prez stating 200K in production Upgrades only....

He said it privately. Nobody is talking publicly. They won't know exactly until they actually do it. Believe what you want, I don't care. But they have said publicly it will be nowhere near $2M.
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RE: Is the American's new TV deal the real reason why UCONN is leaving?
(06-25-2019 10:27 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
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(06-25-2019 09:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The American is going to average $7M a year per team on the new TV deal, and the Big East gets about $4M per team. Both are 12 year contracts, which the BE is in the middle of now.

In both cases, that doesn't count NCAA BB credits, and for the AAC, it doesn't count bowl revenue.

The Bottomline:
AAC schools are responsible for on-campus production costs, which some estimate could lower their net annual take by as much as $2 million... So AAC schools will only see 5M... Big East pays 4M... For a school who is losing a ton of money via travel cost....going to the BIG East and then placing their football program at the FCS level makes way more $$ense than staying with the AAC and losing as much as 40M a year.... Just saying!!!

That $2M figure is not accurate. Most AAC schools already have production facilities and use them for some non-revenue sports, or lesser BB games. Memphis' cost is maybe $200K, not $2M. Others vary, but it's not going to be anything close to $2M to produce some FB and/or BB games.

OTOH, I agree that UConn is better off in the Big East, simply b/c they are pissing money down a rabbit hole on football, which they have little interest in. Better for both sides, since UConn has arguably the worst FB team in FBS, and basketball the last 2 years has finished 8th and T9, and never above 5th since they won the NC in 2014 (when they finished 3rd AAC that year)

The conference is picking up production costs for any FB games relegated to plus. They will also pick up any championships on plus (think oly sports). Regular season BB games and Olympic games/matches/meets... on plus will be up to the schools to produce. As far as costs go, both Aresco and Rudd have said it’s no where near that $2M figure. And, if you think about it logically, there’s no way it would be feasible for the MAC or SBC or any other non power conference at those costs. Why would it cost so much more for the AAC than the others? Rudd also said that there is some upgrading that needs to be done on campus and that the conference has hired consultants and the university has been working with them and ESPN to be ready on time.

ETA: I haven’t heard any hard figures from Memphis as far as costs go. I’m guessing that’s still be figured out. I’m not even sure how you would get to that $2M annual operating figure once sunk costs get everyone up to speed.

So what is the number that all the AAC ADs are telling their Donors??

Straight from your Commish:

As for the logistics, the conference will hire a company to produce the football games and Olympic sports championships featured on ESPN+. (probably Raycom Sports) Men’s and women’s basketball games, as well as regular-season Olympic sporting events, will be left up to the individual schools to produce at their cost.

The schools will have to build out infrastructure to accommodate the move, but Aresco said that each member institution is prepared to do it. He said part of the revenue from the new agreement allows them to upgrade facilities like control rooms and mobile TV units. Consultants were also brought in to speak with each member school to make sure it was a feasible option, and Aresco said the conference is still researching how to allocate funding as each school works toward a start-up date of 2021.

“There’s some work to do in terms of logistics, but it’s all good because everybody is really happy with the new deal and the amount of revenue we’re going to be getting in,” Aresco added.

Under the new deal, people who subscribe to ESPN+ can find AAC content under its own section with the ability to set alerts for kickoff times and scores.

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https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...y,amp.html

Glad I remembered correctly. Thanks for posting. I don’t think there’s a set hard cost per school at this point as each is most likely starting a differing points to build out infrastructure. It will cost some more than others to get up to speed. The question becomes how do you get to $2M annual operating costs ($24M over the life of the contract) for the AAC and not for other conferences doing the same thing. Is the AAC going to be held to a higher standard or gonna negotiate bad contracts compared to others? Trying to figure out how it would even be plausible.
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(06-25-2019 09:31 AM)TripleA Wrote:  That $2M figure is not accurate. Most AAC schools already have production facilities and use them for some non-revenue sports, or lesser BB games. Memphis' cost is maybe $200K, not $2M. Others vary, but it's not going to be anything close to $2M to produce some FB and/or BB games.

OTOH, I agree that UConn is better off in the Big East, simply b/c they are pissing money down a rabbit hole on football, which they have little interest in. Better for both sides, since UConn has arguably the worst FB team in FBS, and basketball the last 2 years has finished 8th and T9, and never above 5th since they won the NC in 2014 (when they finished 3rd AAC that year)

Ok... So The following article does not apply to Memphis but everyone else: With American Athletic Conference Extending ESPN Rights Deal, Athletic Departments Will Expand Live-Production Efforts--Besides sizable linear slate produced by ESPN, 11,000+ games will be produced by AAC schools for distribution on ESPN+
It will also vastly alter the landscape of video production on the campuses of The American’s 12 institutions. with schools taking over production of many of the Olympic events running on ESPN+, the new direct-to-consumer, subscription-based streaming service. As outlined in the deal, that’s live coverage of well more than 11,000 events.

How many events each school will produce will be determined on an annual basis, with the host institution responsible for production. It’s expected that all member schools will be running at full force by the start of the 2020-21 academic year.

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https://www.sportsvideo.org/2019/03/27/a...n-efforts/

Read post #9. Production costs will be nowhere near $2M. Your article says nothing about costs, and implies that all events will be covered, which is not accurate. Not even close.

Most AAC schools already have production facilities and already broadcast some of these events. And 11,000 live events (for what was then 12 schools) averages out to just over 900 per school. But it won't be anywhere close to all of them aired on ESPN+. It will be a select few (outlined in Post #9), since there is not going to be any AAC Network.

I repeat, the Memphis prez has already said that our costs would be maybe $200K. Costs will vary by school, depending on how far along their production facilities already are, and how many events actually wind up on ESPN+.
Link for the Memphis Prez stating 200K in production Upgrades only....

He said it privately. Nobody is talking publicly. They won't know exactly until they actually do it. Believe what you want, I don't care. But they have said publicly it will be nowhere near $2M.
I have heard privately that their are two cost! Hiring Raycom Sports to produce the AAC Championship games on ESPN+ (this cost will be divided amongst AAC members) and then Production Upgrades!

So maybe all together the total is 2M per school avg?? Not sure... What can be Validated:

1. The AAC will have a third party produce AAC Championship games on ESPN+ and split that cost among members (Raycom sports...Like they are doing for RSN this year)

2. Member schools need to upgrade or build production facilities to air events on ESPN+ starting in 2021

3. Most AAC fans get upset when they hear 2M, however they really do not know what the true cost to their school will be.

4. All of this mess and crazy travel cost is why UCONN is leaving
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I listened to a UConn podcast last night They said that the Big East had been looking at matching the move to a 20 game schedule like some of the P5. They liked the idea of expanding by one to do it and were holding that slot for UConn—-but were ready to make the move NOW. Essentially, it was a situation where the BE was ready to move on to the next candidate if UConn wasn’t coming now. If true, then the Big East desire to move to the 20 game schedule was the trigger for “why now?” The tv deal eliminating SNY May have playing into the decision—but I doubt it was the primary trigger. It’s very likley ESPN and SNY would have worked something out to keep UConn basketball available on SNY. ESPN has done the sublicense thing plenty of times before.
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(06-25-2019 11:08 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
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(06-25-2019 10:32 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
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(06-25-2019 10:01 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  Ok... So The following article does not apply to Memphis but everyone else: With American Athletic Conference Extending ESPN Rights Deal, Athletic Departments Will Expand Live-Production Efforts--Besides sizable linear slate produced by ESPN, 11,000+ games will be produced by AAC schools for distribution on ESPN+
It will also vastly alter the landscape of video production on the campuses of The American’s 12 institutions. with schools taking over production of many of the Olympic events running on ESPN+, the new direct-to-consumer, subscription-based streaming service. As outlined in the deal, that’s live coverage of well more than 11,000 events.

How many events each school will produce will be determined on an annual basis, with the host institution responsible for production. It’s expected that all member schools will be running at full force by the start of the 2020-21 academic year.

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Read post #9. Production costs will be nowhere near $2M. Your article says nothing about costs, and implies that all events will be covered, which is not accurate. Not even close.

Most AAC schools already have production facilities and already broadcast some of these events. And 11,000 live events (for what was then 12 schools) averages out to just over 900 per school. But it won't be anywhere close to all of them aired on ESPN+. It will be a select few (outlined in Post #9), since there is not going to be any AAC Network.

I repeat, the Memphis prez has already said that our costs would be maybe $200K. Costs will vary by school, depending on how far along their production facilities already are, and how many events actually wind up on ESPN+.
Link for the Memphis Prez stating 200K in production Upgrades only....

He said it privately. Nobody is talking publicly. They won't know exactly until they actually do it. Believe what you want, I don't care. But they have said publicly it will be nowhere near $2M.
I have heard privately that their are two cost! Hiring Raycom Sports to produce the AAC Championship games on ESPN+ (this cost will be divided amongst AAC members) and then Production Upgrades!

So maybe all together the total is 2M per school avg?? Not sure... What can be Validated:

1. The AAC will have a third party produce AAC Championship games on ESPN+ and split that cost among members (Raycom sports...Like they are doing for RSN this year)

2. Member schools need to upgrade or build production facilities to air events on ESPN+ starting in 2021

3. Most AAC fans get upset when they hear 2M, however they really do not know what the true cost to their school will be.

4. All of this mess and crazy travel cost is why UCONN is leaving

#s 1 and 2 are validated, but don't support your $2M any more than my $200K for Memphis.

#3 is not validated, it's anecdotal, based on a handful of people on a message board, but the reaction is b/c the $2M is patently ridiculous.

What's validated is that the AAC commish and other AAC school officials have said publicly that production costs will be nowhere near $2M. per school. And go find your own links, I don't save them. They are mostly on podcasts.

#4 is just wrong. UConn is leaving b/c 80% of their fan base doesn't give a crap about football, and 100% of their basketball fan base doesn't give a crap about playing ECU, Tulane, etc. Also b/c they were losing SNY for Tier 3.

Donations and attendance in BB were also down.

And they are paying $10M+ in exit fees for the privilege, although they will likely fight it in court.
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(06-25-2019 11:16 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I listened to a UConn podcast last night They said that the Big East had been looking at matching the move to a 20 game schedule like some of the P5. They liked the idea of expanding by one to do it and were holding that slot for UConn—-but were ready to make the move NOW. Essentially, it was a situation where the BE was ready to move on to the next candidate if UConn wasn’t coming now. If true, then the Big East desire to move to the 20 game schedule was the trigger for “why now?” The tv deal eliminating SNY May have playing into the decision—but I doubt it was the primary trigger. It’s very likley ESPN and SNY would have worked something out to keep UConn basketball available on SNY. ESPN has done the sublicense thing plenty of times before.
Thks... Link posted for folks to listen to..
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(06-25-2019 11:26 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
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(06-25-2019 10:29 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Read post #9. Production costs will be nowhere near $2M. Your article says nothing about costs, and implies that all events will be covered, which is not accurate. Not even close.

Most AAC schools already have production facilities and already broadcast some of these events. And 11,000 live events (for what was then 12 schools) averages out to just over 900 per school. But it won't be anywhere close to all of them aired on ESPN+. It will be a select few (outlined in Post #9), since there is not going to be any AAC Network.

I repeat, the Memphis prez has already said that our costs would be maybe $200K. Costs will vary by school, depending on how far along their production facilities already are, and how many events actually wind up on ESPN+.
Link for the Memphis Prez stating 200K in production Upgrades only....

He said it privately. Nobody is talking publicly. They won't know exactly until they actually do it. Believe what you want, I don't care. But they have said publicly it will be nowhere near $2M.
I have heard privately that their are two cost! Hiring Raycom Sports to produce the AAC Championship games on ESPN+ (this cost will be divided amongst AAC members) and then Production Upgrades!

So maybe all together the total is 2M per school avg?? Not sure... What can be Validated:

1. The AAC will have a third party produce AAC Championship games on ESPN+ and split that cost among members (Raycom sports...Like they are doing for RSN this year)

2. Member schools need to upgrade or build production facilities to air events on ESPN+ starting in 2021

3. Most AAC fans get upset when they hear 2M, however they really do not know what the true cost to their school will be.

4. All of this mess and crazy travel cost is why UCONN is leaving

#s 1 and 2 are validated, but don't support your $2M any more than my $200K for Memphis.

#3 is not validated, it's anecdotal, based on a handful of people on a message board, but the reaction is b/c the $2M is patently ridiculous.

What's validated is that the AAC commish and other AAC school officials have said publicly that production costs will be nowhere near $2M. per school. And go find your own links, I don't save them. They are mostly on podcasts.

#4 is just wrong. UConn is leaving b/c 80% of their fan base doesn't give a crap about football, and 100% of their basketball fan base doesn't give a crap about playing ECU, Tulane, etc. Also b/c they were losing SNY for Tier 3.

Donations and attendance in BB were also down.

And they are paying $10M+ in exit fees for the privilege, although they will likely fight it in court.
Ok I will concede everything but #4 (Its not like ACC schools had to upgrade such facilities for the ACC Xtra digital network and then the new ACCN...Oh nevermind)

Back to #4... I do think Uconn stays in the AAC if the TV deal is/was greatly better than that of the Big East... But it is not!! I am one of folks who thought the AAC would get 10M to 15M.. Boy was I wrong... Also while you are correct that UCONN doesn't want to play Tulane, ECU I am not so sure they would have minded so much if the money was right??
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