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RE: Is the American's new TV deal the real reason why UCONN is leaving?
(06-29-2019 12:35 AM)scoscox Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 09:42 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  “There’s some work to do in terms of logistics, but it’s all good because everybody is really happy with the new deal and the amount of revenue we’re going to be getting in,” Aresco added.

Lol that's just a hilarious quote in hindsight

I am beginning to think Aresco never gave a damn about UConn. I think the axis of UCF/UH/UM/Cincy run the conference. UConn was on the outside in - which makes the Big East move more logical the more I think about it.
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(06-29-2019 10:36 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 12:35 AM)scoscox Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 09:42 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  “There’s some work to do in terms of logistics, but it’s all good because everybody is really happy with the new deal and the amount of revenue we’re going to be getting in,” Aresco added.

Lol that's just a hilarious quote in hindsight

I am beginning to think Aresco never gave a damn about UConn. I think the axis of UCF/UH/UM/Cincy run the conference. UConn was on the outside in - which makes the Big East move more logical the more I think about it.

I think Aresco's biggest goal (and ultimate mistake) with the new TV deal was the insistence of pushing for a $1 billion TV deal for PR purposes. The only way that ESPN was going to commit to something that substantial for a non-power conference was if it locked the rights in for a significantly long duration (into the 2030's) and had the authority to move much of its content to its streaming services. Instead of betting on itself again with a short-term deal, it pushed for exposure (again) and settled for a lower-than-market rate for twelve years. At that point, each of the power conferences will likely be looking at another new contract (after many are up in a few short years). $7 million in the early 2030's will be peanuts compared to the P5 at that point, much like the $1.7 million annually was small potatoes to the $30/$40/$50 million the P5 is earning.
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(06-29-2019 12:24 AM)scoscox Wrote:  add on to that , uconn will save probably a few million on travel every year.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...edit#gid=0
this is a spreadsheet from a uconn fan breaking down costs

Spreadsheet does not take into account that the American received $21M from the football playoff, such that each school received approximately $1.75M

As an independent, BYU gets like $250K from the playoff.

So all the travel savings do is make up for the loss in football playoff revenue.

It also does not take into account conference expenses on either side.

For example, here is the latest Form 990 for the Big East. Those schools received $3.56M on average from the conference after expenses. See Section 12.G. That assumes full participation in NCAA units, which UConn will not enjoy at the beginning.

I think we can assume that with the pro rata TV deal with Fox, that UConn will receive at most $3.5M per year from the Big East through the TV contract term.

UConn was set to receive $8-10M/year from the American under the new deal. So that's a $5-6M/year hole to fill.

Travel savings will fill part of it. Ticket sales/donations will fill part of it.

But for the the move to really pay off, UConn has to drop football. That's an $8M/year hole. And everyone knows this is the likely plan.
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(06-27-2019 08:15 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I seriously doubt production costs are in the millions.

How many AAC championship games will be on ESPN +? We do know that ESPN will broadcast the AAC Football Championship Game and all rounds of the men's basketball tournament (as well as multiple rounds of the women's basketball tournament) But how many other sports have Championship every year? Off the top of my head their is Baseball, Softball, Soccer... You get the point those Championships will be produced by a company like Raycom Sports who is currently producing the Fox RSN college games this year.

If you have 10 Championships games that need to be produced by Raycom... i think that cost adds up, year in and year out... Plus some AAC schools will need to upgrade the production capabilities..

The rub is what is the true cost? (this is where most emotional AAC fans start defending and not use logic or ask their ADs) There will be an upfront cost which will vary by each school for production upgrades and then the shared cost of haveing an ESPN Branded digital network that produces multiple AAC sports championship coverage every year..
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(06-29-2019 10:36 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 12:35 AM)scoscox Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 09:42 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  “There’s some work to do in terms of logistics, but it’s all good because everybody is really happy with the new deal and the amount of revenue we’re going to be getting in,” Aresco added.

Lol that's just a hilarious quote in hindsight

I am beginning to think Aresco never gave a damn about UConn. I think the axis of UCF/UH/UM/Cincy run the conference. UConn was on the outside in - which makes the Big East move more logical the more I think about it.


(06-29-2019 10:41 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 10:36 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 12:35 AM)scoscox Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 09:42 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  “There’s some work to do in terms of logistics, but it’s all good because everybody is really happy with the new deal and the amount of revenue we’re going to be getting in,” Aresco added.

Lol that's just a hilarious quote in hindsight

I am beginning to think Aresco never gave a damn about UConn. I think the axis of UCF/UH/UM/Cincy run the conference. UConn was on the outside in - which makes the Big East move more logical the more I think about it.

I think Aresco's biggest goal (and ultimate mistake) with the new TV deal was the insistence of pushing for a $1 billion TV deal for PR purposes. The only way that ESPN was going to commit to something that substantial for a non-power conference was if it locked the rights in for a significantly long duration (into the 2030's) and had the authority to move much of its content to its streaming services. Instead of betting on itself again with a short-term deal, it pushed for exposure (again) and settled for a lower-than-market rate for twelve years. At that point, each of the power conferences will likely be looking at another new contract (after many are up in a few short years). $7 million in the early 2030's will be peanuts compared to the P5 at that point, much like the $1.7 million annually was small potatoes to the $30/$40/$50 million the P5 is earning.


you still can't push it all off on him he has people above him that he answers too

I am not arguing that he is great at his job because if he was he would have resolved the situation in a better way and he would have had better ideas of how to meet specific goals without making a very poor very long term decision or he would have refocused the goals to ones that are easier to meet and better long term

it was not him not caring about UConn it was everyone else either making the contract about their short term desires to peacock before they (most likely wrongly for MANY) believe they will GTFO or it was others just sitting there and letting it happen and or sitting there believing that they are somehow one of the ones that will be moving elsewhere

in a conference where it is every team for themselves UConn saw it was better to look out for themselves......or in a conference where a few have taken over the narrative and are willing to sell out the long term (likely even for themselves) for the short term dream UConn was it was better to look out for themselves

no one in the room gave any thought to, or if they did give any thought to, no one cared about down the road and UConn decided that down the road that was not a good place to be and that leaving has no negative effect on their ability to better themselves while staying probably does and locks themselves into an ever worsening situation if they cannot better themselves
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(06-29-2019 11:01 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 08:15 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I seriously doubt production costs are in the millions.

How many AAC championship games will be on ESPN +? We do know that ESPN will broadcast the AAC Football Championship Game and all rounds of the men's basketball tournament (as well as multiple rounds of the women's basketball tournament) But how many other sports have Championship every year? Off the top of my head their is Baseball, Softball, Soccer... You get the point those Championships will be produced by a company like Raycom Sports who is currently producing the Fox RSN college games this year.

If you have 10 Championships games that need to be produced by Raycom... i think that cost adds up, year in and year out... Plus some AAC schools will need to upgrade the production capabilities..

The rubis what is the true cost? (this is where most emotional AAC fans start defending and not use logic or ask their ADs) There will be an upfront cost which will vary by each school for production upgrades and then the shared cost of haveing an ESPN Branded digital network that produces multiple AAC sports championship coverage every year..

You do realize that ALL those championships are currently televised by the AAC Digital Network? That network is going away with the new deal. So, I suspect the bean counters have determined its cheaper to let Raycom do the championships than it is for the AAC Digital Network to produce them. Either way---I suspect cost for the conference to produce the AAC championships is already built-in to the AAC financials---its just moving from the "American Digital Costs" line item to the "Contract Production Labor" line item of the spreadsheet.
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(06-29-2019 12:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 11:01 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 08:15 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I seriously doubt production costs are in the millions.

How many AAC championship games will be on ESPN +? We do know that ESPN will broadcast the AAC Football Championship Game and all rounds of the men's basketball tournament (as well as multiple rounds of the women's basketball tournament) But how many other sports have Championship every year? Off the top of my head their is Baseball, Softball, Soccer... You get the point those Championships will be produced by a company like Raycom Sports who is currently producing the Fox RSN college games this year.

If you have 10 Championships games that need to be produced by Raycom... i think that cost adds up, year in and year out... Plus some AAC schools will need to upgrade the production capabilities..

The rubis what is the true cost? (this is where most emotional AAC fans start defending and not use logic or ask their ADs) There will be an upfront cost which will vary by each school for production upgrades and then the shared cost of haveing an ESPN Branded digital network that produces multiple AAC sports championship coverage every year..

You do realize that ALL those championships are currently televised by the AAC Digital Network? That network is going away with the new deal. So, I suspect the bean counters have determined its cheaper to let Raycom do the championships than it is for the AAC Digital Network to produce them. Either way---I suspect cost for the conference to produce the AAC championships is already built-in to the AAC financials---its just moving from the "American Digital Costs" line item to the "Contract Production Labor" line item of the spreadsheet.

Straight from the AAC commish...there is extra cost...to say there isn't is foolish..

As for the logistics, the conference will hire a company to produce the football games and Olympic sports championships featured on ESPN+.

Men’s and women’s basketball games, as well as regular-season Olympic sporting events, will be left up to the individual schools to produce at their cost.

The schools will have to build out infrastructure to accommodate the move, but Aresco said that each member institution is prepared to do it. He said part of the revenue from the new agreement allows them to upgrade facilities like control rooms and mobile TV units. Consultants were also brought in to speak with each member school to make sure it was a feasible option, and Aresco said the conference is still researching how to allocate funding as each school works toward a start-up date of 2021.

“There’s some work to do in terms of logistics, but it’s all good because everybody is really happy with the new deal and the amount of revenue we’re going to be getting in,” Aresco added.

Under the new deal, people who subscribe to ESPN+ can find AAC content under its own section with the ability to set alerts for kickoff times and scores.

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https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...y,amp.html
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It's a combination of everything for why they left.

The rivalry aspect here is huge. UConn fans don't care about a bad Tulane/Tulsa/ECU/USF on a random Tuesday game in January. However, replace that with a bad St.John's or Georgetown and they will show up in droves because they CARE. I'm pumped for a bad UConn team to come play here in DC because i don't like them and beating them still means something. it's all about rivalry.
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(06-29-2019 10:41 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 10:36 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 12:35 AM)scoscox Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 09:42 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  “There’s some work to do in terms of logistics, but it’s all good because everybody is really happy with the new deal and the amount of revenue we’re going to be getting in,” Aresco added.

Lol that's just a hilarious quote in hindsight

I am beginning to think Aresco never gave a damn about UConn. I think the axis of UCF/UH/UM/Cincy run the conference. UConn was on the outside in - which makes the Big East move more logical the more I think about it.

I think Aresco's biggest goal (and ultimate mistake) with the new TV deal was the insistence of pushing for a $1 billion TV deal for PR purposes. The only way that ESPN was going to commit to something that substantial for a non-power conference was if it locked the rights in for a significantly long duration (into the 2030's) and had the authority to move much of its content to its streaming services. Instead of betting on itself again with a short-term deal, it pushed for exposure (again) and settled for a lower-than-market rate for twelve years. At that point, each of the power conferences will likely be looking at another new contract (after many are up in a few short years). $7 million in the early 2030's will be peanuts compared to the P5 at that point, much like the $1.7 million annually was small potatoes to the $30/$40/$50 million the P5 is earning.


UConn was not really the weakets school in football and basketball. It is 3 schools in the west that are not worth $7 million dollars are SMU, Tulane and Tulsa. UTSA, ODU, James Madison, Marshall, Northern Illinois, Toledo, North Dakota State, Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, South Dakota State, San Diego State, Air Force, Wyoming, Utah State, Grambling, Southern U., Texas Southern, Lamar, Southern Mississippi, Arkansas State, Georgia Southern, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee State, Delaware, Appalachian State, Jacksonville State, UAB, Troy, ODU and some others have better fan support, had better football and men's basketball records and so forth. Tulsa being the smallest FBS school in the country do not belong in FBS and should never be in the same sentence with the large P5 schools. Tulsa is actually holding the AAC down big time. They should never been invited to the AAC in the 1st place.
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(06-29-2019 06:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 10:41 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 10:36 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 12:35 AM)scoscox Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 09:42 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  “There’s some work to do in terms of logistics, but it’s all good because everybody is really happy with the new deal and the amount of revenue we’re going to be getting in,” Aresco added.

Lol that's just a hilarious quote in hindsight

I am beginning to think Aresco never gave a damn about UConn. I think the axis of UCF/UH/UM/Cincy run the conference. UConn was on the outside in - which makes the Big East move more logical the more I think about it.

I think Aresco's biggest goal (and ultimate mistake) with the new TV deal was the insistence of pushing for a $1 billion TV deal for PR purposes. The only way that ESPN was going to commit to something that substantial for a non-power conference was if it locked the rights in for a significantly long duration (into the 2030's) and had the authority to move much of its content to its streaming services. Instead of betting on itself again with a short-term deal, it pushed for exposure (again) and settled for a lower-than-market rate for twelve years. At that point, each of the power conferences will likely be looking at another new contract (after many are up in a few short years). $7 million in the early 2030's will be peanuts compared to the P5 at that point, much like the $1.7 million annually was small potatoes to the $30/$40/$50 million the P5 is earning.


UConn was not really the weakets school in football and basketball. It is 3 schools in the west that are not worth $7 million dollars are SMU, Tulane and Tulsa. UTSA, ODU, James Madison, Marshall, Northern Illinois, Toledo, North Dakota State, Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, South Dakota State, San Diego State, Air Force, Wyoming, Utah State, Grambling, Southern U., Texas Southern, Lamar, Southern Mississippi, Arkansas State, Georgia Southern, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee State, Delaware, Appalachian State, Jacksonville State, UAB, Troy, ODU and some others have better fan support, had better football and men's basketball records and so forth. Tulsa being the smallest FBS school in the country do not belong in FBS and should never be in the same sentence with the large P5 schools. Tulsa is actually holding the AAC down big time. They should never been invited to the AAC in the 1st place.



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(06-29-2019 05:34 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 12:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 11:01 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 08:15 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I seriously doubt production costs are in the millions.

How many AAC championship games will be on ESPN +? We do know that ESPN will broadcast the AAC Football Championship Game and all rounds of the men's basketball tournament (as well as multiple rounds of the women's basketball tournament) But how many other sports have Championship every year? Off the top of my head their is Baseball, Softball, Soccer... You get the point those Championships will be produced by a company like Raycom Sports who is currently producing the Fox RSN college games this year.

If you have 10 Championships games that need to be produced by Raycom... i think that cost adds up, year in and year out... Plus some AAC schools will need to upgrade the production capabilities..

The rubis what is the true cost? (this is where most emotional AAC fans start defending and not use logic or ask their ADs) There will be an upfront cost which will vary by each school for production upgrades and then the shared cost of haveing an ESPN Branded digital network that produces multiple AAC sports championship coverage every year..

You do realize that ALL those championships are currently televised by the AAC Digital Network? That network is going away with the new deal. So, I suspect the bean counters have determined its cheaper to let Raycom do the championships than it is for the AAC Digital Network to produce them. Either way---I suspect cost for the conference to produce the AAC championships is already built-in to the AAC financials---its just moving from the "American Digital Costs" line item to the "Contract Production Labor" line item of the spreadsheet.

Straight from the AAC commish...there is extra cost...to say there isn't is foolish..

As for the logistics, the conference will hire a company to produce the football games and Olympic sports championships featured on ESPN+.

Men’s and women’s basketball games, as well as regular-season Olympic sporting events, will be left up to the individual schools to produce at their cost.

The schools will have to build out infrastructure to accommodate the move, but Aresco said that each member institution is prepared to do it. He said part of the revenue from the new agreement allows them to upgrade facilities like control rooms and mobile TV units. Consultants were also brought in to speak with each member school to make sure it was a feasible option, and Aresco said the conference is still researching how to allocate funding as each school works toward a start-up date of 2021.

“There’s some work to do in terms of logistics, but it’s all good because everybody is really happy with the new deal and the amount of revenue we’re going to be getting in,” Aresco added.

Under the new deal, people who subscribe to ESPN+ can find AAC content under its own section with the ability to set alerts for kickoff times and scores.

Link
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...y,amp.html

I didnt say it costs nothing. I didnt say there wouldnt be costs to upgrade. What I said is we are already producing all the championship games that Aresco mentions on our own AAC Digital Network. That Network is not free. There are current costs associated with the infrastructure, management, staff talent, and event productions connected with that network. Aresco says that network is going away. Thus, the budget supporting that network ("found" money) is now available to pay for someone like Raycom to handle the production of those championships. So yes---there is a cost---but we were already paying for that anyway--so its not a "new" cost.
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(06-29-2019 07:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 05:34 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 12:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 11:01 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 08:15 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I seriously doubt production costs are in the millions.

How many AAC championship games will be on ESPN +? We do know that ESPN will broadcast the AAC Football Championship Game and all rounds of the men's basketball tournament (as well as multiple rounds of the women's basketball tournament) But how many other sports have Championship every year? Off the top of my head their is Baseball, Softball, Soccer... You get the point those Championships will be produced by a company like Raycom Sports who is currently producing the Fox RSN college games this year.

If you have 10 Championships games that need to be produced by Raycom... i think that cost adds up, year in and year out... Plus some AAC schools will need to upgrade the production capabilities..

The rubis what is the true cost? (this is where most emotional AAC fans start defending and not use logic or ask their ADs) There will be an upfront cost which will vary by each school for production upgrades and then the shared cost of haveing an ESPN Branded digital network that produces multiple AAC sports championship coverage every year..

You do realize that ALL those championships are currently televised by the AAC Digital Network? That network is going away with the new deal. So, I suspect the bean counters have determined its cheaper to let Raycom do the championships than it is for the AAC Digital Network to produce them. Either way---I suspect cost for the conference to produce the AAC championships is already built-in to the AAC financials---its just moving from the "American Digital Costs" line item to the "Contract Production Labor" line item of the spreadsheet.

Straight from the AAC commish...there is extra cost...to say there isn't is foolish..

As for the logistics, the conference will hire a company to produce the football games and Olympic sports championships featured on ESPN+.

Men’s and women’s basketball games, as well as regular-season Olympic sporting events, will be left up to the individual schools to produce at their cost.

The schools will have to build out infrastructure to accommodate the move, but Aresco said that each member institution is prepared to do it. He said part of the revenue from the new agreement allows them to upgrade facilities like control rooms and mobile TV units. Consultants were also brought in to speak with each member school to make sure it was a feasible option, and Aresco said the conference is still researching how to allocate funding as each school works toward a start-up date of 2021.

“There’s some work to do in terms of logistics, but it’s all good because everybody is really happy with the new deal and the amount of revenue we’re going to be getting in,” Aresco added.

Under the new deal, people who subscribe to ESPN+ can find AAC content under its own section with the ability to set alerts for kickoff times and scores.

Link
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...y,amp.html

I didnt say it costs nothing. I didnt say there wouldnt be costs to upgrade. What I said is we are already producing all the championship games that Aresco mentions on our own AAC Digital Network. That Network is not free. There are current costs associated with the infrastructure, management, staff talent, and event productions connected with that network. Aresco says that network is going away. Thus, the budget supporting that network ("found" money) is now available to pay for someone like Raycom to handle the production of those championships. So yes---there is a cost---but we were already paying for that anyway--so its not a "new" cost.

Copy.... so that is why the AAC folks are saying that the INCREASE in cost is not as much as reports... So 2M per year might be accurate but if the school already spends 900K or 1M per year than the INCREASE is not 2M only 1M....(I do realize that the number may not be 2M that was the number used in the first article) Go it!

Quick question if the AAC is already producing all the championship games why do they need to contract out to a company like Raycom? I think that answer might explained alot.
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(06-25-2019 09:23 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The American is going to average $7M a year per team on the new TV deal, and the Big East gets about $4M per team. Both are 12 year contracts, which the BE is in the middle of now.

In both cases, that doesn't count NCAA BB credits, and for the AAC, it doesn't count bowl revenue.

The Bottomline:
AAC schools are responsible for on-campus production costs, which some estimate could lower their net annual take by as much as $2 million... So AAC schools will only see 5M... Big East pays 4M... For a school who is losing a ton of money via travel cost....going to the BIG East and then placing their football program at the Indy or FCS level makes way more $$ense than staying with the AAC and losing as much as 40M a year.... Just saying!!!

This is from the UConn Boneyard, but it is a legit point: the Mac, the Sunbelt, and C-USA have a similar set up (although C-USA does not depend on it as much as the MAC & the Sunbelt do), and they have to do similar things for ESPN for a LOT less $$$. Out of the Boneyard, it seems the UConn women's basketball contract with SNY being potentially lost was one of the real reasons for this. The UConn posters did say that Aresco threw UConn womens' basketball under the bus. That being said, I still don't care for ESPN personally.
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RE: Is the American's new TV deal the real reason why UCONN is leaving?
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(06-27-2019 09:42 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  “There’s some work to do in terms of logistics, but it’s all good because everybody is really happy with the new deal and the amount of revenue we’re going to be getting in,” Aresco added.

Lol that's just a hilarious quote in hindsight

Aresco talks proudly about his deal featuring ESPN+, but unless you are jonesing for Ivy League football, why bother with E+ when there are normally 30-40 games on each Saturday through more conventional sources?

He is going to turn ESPN+ into the AAC NETWORK. Latest P6 initiative to match the P5 and their networks. 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 04-cheers
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RE: Is the American's new TV deal the real reason why UCONN is leaving?
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How many AAC championship games will be on ESPN +? We do know that ESPN will broadcast the AAC Football Championship Game and all rounds of the men's basketball tournament (as well as multiple rounds of the women's basketball tournament) But how many other sports have Championship every year? Off the top of my head their is Baseball, Softball, Soccer... You get the point those Championships will be produced by a company like Raycom Sports who is currently producing the Fox RSN college games this year.

If you have 10 Championships games that need to be produced by Raycom... i think that cost adds up, year in and year out... Plus some AAC schools will need to upgrade the production capabilities..

The rubis what is the true cost? (this is where most emotional AAC fans start defending and not use logic or ask their ADs) There will be an upfront cost which will vary by each school for production upgrades and then the shared cost of haveing an ESPN Branded digital network that produces multiple AAC sports championship coverage every year..

You do realize that ALL those championships are currently televised by the AAC Digital Network? That network is going away with the new deal. So, I suspect the bean counters have determined its cheaper to let Raycom do the championships than it is for the AAC Digital Network to produce them. Either way---I suspect cost for the conference to produce the AAC championships is already built-in to the AAC financials---its just moving from the "American Digital Costs" line item to the "Contract Production Labor" line item of the spreadsheet.

Straight from the AAC commish...there is extra cost...to say there isn't is foolish..

As for the logistics, the conference will hire a company to produce the football games and Olympic sports championships featured on ESPN+.

Men’s and women’s basketball games, as well as regular-season Olympic sporting events, will be left up to the individual schools to produce at their cost.

The schools will have to build out infrastructure to accommodate the move, but Aresco said that each member institution is prepared to do it. He said part of the revenue from the new agreement allows them to upgrade facilities like control rooms and mobile TV units. Consultants were also brought in to speak with each member school to make sure it was a feasible option, and Aresco said the conference is still researching how to allocate funding as each school works toward a start-up date of 2021.

“There’s some work to do in terms of logistics, but it’s all good because everybody is really happy with the new deal and the amount of revenue we’re going to be getting in,” Aresco added.

Under the new deal, people who subscribe to ESPN+ can find AAC content under its own section with the ability to set alerts for kickoff times and scores.

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https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...y,amp.html

I didnt say it costs nothing. I didnt say there wouldnt be costs to upgrade. What I said is we are already producing all the championship games that Aresco mentions on our own AAC Digital Network. That Network is not free. There are current costs associated with the infrastructure, management, staff talent, and event productions connected with that network. Aresco says that network is going away. Thus, the budget supporting that network ("found" money) is now available to pay for someone like Raycom to handle the production of those championships. So yes---there is a cost---but we were already paying for that anyway--so its not a "new" cost.

Copy.... so that is why the AAC folks are saying that the INCREASE in cost is not as much as reports... So 2M per year might be accurate but if the school already spends 900K or 1M per year than the INCREASE is not 2M only 1M....(I do realize that the number may not be 2M that was the number used in the first article) Go it!

Quick question if the AAC is already producing all the championship games why do they need to contract out to a company like Raycom? I think that answer might explained

Why do you care?
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RE: Is the American's new TV deal the real reason why UCONN is leaving?
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(06-29-2019 12:35 AM)scoscox Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 09:42 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  “There’s some work to do in terms of logistics, but it’s all good because everybody is really happy with the new deal and the amount of revenue we’re going to be getting in,” Aresco added.

Lol that's just a hilarious quote in hindsight

I am beginning to think Aresco never gave a damn about UConn. I think the axis of UCF/UH/UM/Cincy run the conference. UConn was on the outside in - which makes the Big East move more logical the more I think about it.

I think Aresco's biggest goal (and ultimate mistake) with the new TV deal was the insistence of pushing for a $1 billion TV deal for PR purposes. The only way that ESPN was going to commit to something that substantial for a non-power conference was if it locked the rights in for a significantly long duration (into the 2030's) and had the authority to move much of its content to its streaming services. Instead of betting on itself again with a short-term deal, it pushed for exposure (again) and settled for a lower-than-market rate for twelve years. At that point, each of the power conferences will likely be looking at another new contract (after many are up in a few short years). $7 million in the early 2030's will be peanuts compared to the P5 at that point, much like the $1.7 million annually was small potatoes to the $30/$40/$50 million the P5 is earning.

I think there's a lot of truth in that. And the money-gap with the P5 is actually worse than you indicate, because the P5 actually do not have to wait to sign new deals to get decent raises. E.g., because of their conference networks, the B1G and SEC seem to get a couple million in raises every year, and the ACC will be joining them. The networks give them a kind of commission bonus, where if new folks sign up for their networks, they get a cut of that, and that's on top of the natural escalators that all these deals have. In contrast, the AAC escalator is in a very tight window between about $6.5m and $7.5m. They will only get a raise of about $1m per school over 12 long years.

So while the AAC will initially make about a $5m cut in the revenue gap when the new deal kicks in (not much of a cut), that will immediately begin to be eroded, and within 2-3 years will be gone, and then the revenue gap will just grow even larger than now. That's why the 12 year period is so surprising to us.

Now, the AAC could have given itself some upward growth potential during those 12 years, if they could have gotten the ESPN+ component of the deal structured as a true conference network, such that if someone signed up for ESPN+/AAC, then the AAC would get a residual, but IIRC, even though the AAC will have a "branded channel" on ESPN+, they don't actually get anything for that. Kind of like that $1B figure, the ESPN+ "network" is just a vanity thing with no substance.
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RE: Is the American's new TV deal the real reason why UCONN is leaving?
(06-30-2019 08:22 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 07:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 05:34 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 12:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 11:01 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  How many AAC championship games will be on ESPN +? We do know that ESPN will broadcast the AAC Football Championship Game and all rounds of the men's basketball tournament (as well as multiple rounds of the women's basketball tournament) But how many other sports have Championship every year? Off the top of my head their is Baseball, Softball, Soccer... You get the point those Championships will be produced by a company like Raycom Sports who is currently producing the Fox RSN college games this year.

If you have 10 Championships games that need to be produced by Raycom... i think that cost adds up, year in and year out... Plus some AAC schools will need to upgrade the production capabilities..

The rubis what is the true cost? (this is where most emotional AAC fans start defending and not use logic or ask their ADs) There will be an upfront cost which will vary by each school for production upgrades and then the shared cost of haveing an ESPN Branded digital network that produces multiple AAC sports championship coverage every year..

You do realize that ALL those championships are currently televised by the AAC Digital Network? That network is going away with the new deal. So, I suspect the bean counters have determined its cheaper to let Raycom do the championships than it is for the AAC Digital Network to produce them. Either way---I suspect cost for the conference to produce the AAC championships is already built-in to the AAC financials---its just moving from the "American Digital Costs" line item to the "Contract Production Labor" line item of the spreadsheet.

Straight from the AAC commish...there is extra cost...to say there isn't is foolish..

As for the logistics, the conference will hire a company to produce the football games and Olympic sports championships featured on ESPN+.

Men’s and women’s basketball games, as well as regular-season Olympic sporting events, will be left up to the individual schools to produce at their cost.

The schools will have to build out infrastructure to accommodate the move, but Aresco said that each member institution is prepared to do it. He said part of the revenue from the new agreement allows them to upgrade facilities like control rooms and mobile TV units. Consultants were also brought in to speak with each member school to make sure it was a feasible option, and Aresco said the conference is still researching how to allocate funding as each school works toward a start-up date of 2021.

“There’s some work to do in terms of logistics, but it’s all good because everybody is really happy with the new deal and the amount of revenue we’re going to be getting in,” Aresco added.

Under the new deal, people who subscribe to ESPN+ can find AAC content under its own section with the ability to set alerts for kickoff times and scores.

Link
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...y,amp.html

I didnt say it costs nothing. I didnt say there wouldnt be costs to upgrade. What I said is we are already producing all the championship games that Aresco mentions on our own AAC Digital Network. That Network is not free. There are current costs associated with the infrastructure, management, staff talent, and event productions connected with that network. Aresco says that network is going away. Thus, the budget supporting that network ("found" money) is now available to pay for someone like Raycom to handle the production of those championships. So yes---there is a cost---but we were already paying for that anyway--so its not a "new" cost.

Copy.... so that is why the AAC folks are saying that the INCREASE in cost is not as much as reports... So 2M per year might be accurate but if the school already spends 900K or 1M per year than the INCREASE is not 2M only 1M....(I do realize that the number may not be 2M that was the number used in the first article) Go it!

Quick question if the AAC is already producing all the championship games why do they need to contract out to a company like Raycom? I think that answer might explained alot.

Well—-Usually, in business when you outsource a job you have been doing yourself—-it’s because outsourcing is cheaper than doing it yourself.
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RE: Is the American's new TV deal the real reason why UCONN is leaving?
(06-30-2019 12:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 08:22 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 07:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 05:34 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 12:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  You do realize that ALL those championships are currently televised by the AAC Digital Network? That network is going away with the new deal. So, I suspect the bean counters have determined its cheaper to let Raycom do the championships than it is for the AAC Digital Network to produce them. Either way---I suspect cost for the conference to produce the AAC championships is already built-in to the AAC financials---its just moving from the "American Digital Costs" line item to the "Contract Production Labor" line item of the spreadsheet.

Straight from the AAC commish...there is extra cost...to say there isn't is foolish..

As for the logistics, the conference will hire a company to produce the football games and Olympic sports championships featured on ESPN+.

Men’s and women’s basketball games, as well as regular-season Olympic sporting events, will be left up to the individual schools to produce at their cost.

The schools will have to build out infrastructure to accommodate the move, but Aresco said that each member institution is prepared to do it. He said part of the revenue from the new agreement allows them to upgrade facilities like control rooms and mobile TV units. Consultants were also brought in to speak with each member school to make sure it was a feasible option, and Aresco said the conference is still researching how to allocate funding as each school works toward a start-up date of 2021.

“There’s some work to do in terms of logistics, but it’s all good because everybody is really happy with the new deal and the amount of revenue we’re going to be getting in,” Aresco added.

Under the new deal, people who subscribe to ESPN+ can find AAC content under its own section with the ability to set alerts for kickoff times and scores.

Link
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...y,amp.html

I didnt say it costs nothing. I didnt say there wouldnt be costs to upgrade. What I said is we are already producing all the championship games that Aresco mentions on our own AAC Digital Network. That Network is not free. There are current costs associated with the infrastructure, management, staff talent, and event productions connected with that network. Aresco says that network is going away. Thus, the budget supporting that network ("found" money) is now available to pay for someone like Raycom to handle the production of those championships. So yes---there is a cost---but we were already paying for that anyway--so its not a "new" cost.

Copy.... so that is why the AAC folks are saying that the INCREASE in cost is not as much as reports... So 2M per year might be accurate but if the school already spends 900K or 1M per year than the INCREASE is not 2M only 1M....(I do realize that the number may not be 2M that was the number used in the first article) Go it!

Quick question if the AAC is already producing all the championship games why do they need to contract out to a company like Raycom? I think that answer might explained alot.

Well—-Usually, in business when you outsource a job you have been doing yourself—-it’s because outsourcing is cheaper than doing it yourself.

To funny... I like the way you think....Time will tell..since most of outsourcing's short-term gains are usually outweighed by long-term costs!
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(06-30-2019 01:10 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  
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(06-30-2019 08:22 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 07:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-29-2019 05:34 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Straight from the AAC commish...there is extra cost...to say there isn't is foolish..

As for the logistics, the conference will hire a company to produce the football games and Olympic sports championships featured on ESPN+.

Men’s and women’s basketball games, as well as regular-season Olympic sporting events, will be left up to the individual schools to produce at their cost.

The schools will have to build out infrastructure to accommodate the move, but Aresco said that each member institution is prepared to do it. He said part of the revenue from the new agreement allows them to upgrade facilities like control rooms and mobile TV units. Consultants were also brought in to speak with each member school to make sure it was a feasible option, and Aresco said the conference is still researching how to allocate funding as each school works toward a start-up date of 2021.

“There’s some work to do in terms of logistics, but it’s all good because everybody is really happy with the new deal and the amount of revenue we’re going to be getting in,” Aresco added.

Under the new deal, people who subscribe to ESPN+ can find AAC content under its own section with the ability to set alerts for kickoff times and scores.

Link
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...y,amp.html

I didnt say it costs nothing. I didnt say there wouldnt be costs to upgrade. What I said is we are already producing all the championship games that Aresco mentions on our own AAC Digital Network. That Network is not free. There are current costs associated with the infrastructure, management, staff talent, and event productions connected with that network. Aresco says that network is going away. Thus, the budget supporting that network ("found" money) is now available to pay for someone like Raycom to handle the production of those championships. So yes---there is a cost---but we were already paying for that anyway--so its not a "new" cost.

Copy.... so that is why the AAC folks are saying that the INCREASE in cost is not as much as reports... So 2M per year might be accurate but if the school already spends 900K or 1M per year than the INCREASE is not 2M only 1M....(I do realize that the number may not be 2M that was the number used in the first article) Go it!

Quick question if the AAC is already producing all the championship games why do they need to contract out to a company like Raycom? I think that answer might explained alot.

Well—-Usually, in business when you outsource a job you have been doing yourself—-it’s because outsourcing is cheaper than doing it yourself.

To funny... I like the way you think....Time will tell..since most of outsourcing's short-term gains are usually outweighed by long-term costs!

lol...on that we absolutely agree.
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(06-29-2019 06:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
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(06-27-2019 09:42 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  “There’s some work to do in terms of logistics, but it’s all good because everybody is really happy with the new deal and the amount of revenue we’re going to be getting in,” Aresco added.

Lol that's just a hilarious quote in hindsight

I am beginning to think Aresco never gave a damn about UConn. I think the axis of UCF/UH/UM/Cincy run the conference. UConn was on the outside in - which makes the Big East move more logical the more I think about it.

I think Aresco's biggest goal (and ultimate mistake) with the new TV deal was the insistence of pushing for a $1 billion TV deal for PR purposes. The only way that ESPN was going to commit to something that substantial for a non-power conference was if it locked the rights in for a significantly long duration (into the 2030's) and had the authority to move much of its content to its streaming services. Instead of betting on itself again with a short-term deal, it pushed for exposure (again) and settled for a lower-than-market rate for twelve years. At that point, each of the power conferences will likely be looking at another new contract (after many are up in a few short years). $7 million in the early 2030's will be peanuts compared to the P5 at that point, much like the $1.7 million annually was small potatoes to the $30/$40/$50 million the P5 is earning.


UConn was not really the weakets school in football and basketball. It is 3 schools in the west that are not worth $7 million dollars are SMU, Tulane and Tulsa. [B]UTSA, ODU, James Madison, Marshall, Northern Illinois, Toledo, North Dakota State, Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, South Dakota State, San Diego State, Air Force, Wyoming, Utah State, Grambling, Southern U., Texas Southern, Lamar, Southern Mississippi, Arkansas State, Georgia Southern, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee State, Delaware, Appalachian State, Jacksonville State, UAB, Troy, ODU and some others have better fan support, had better football and men's basketball records and so forth. [B] Tulsa being the smallest FBS school in the country do not belong in FBS and should never be in the same sentence with the large P5 schools. Tulsa is actually holding the AAC down big time. They should never been invited to the AAC in the 1st place.


Than Tulsa? Not close now. Historically laughable.

Of all those schools listed, how many have been playing football since 1890s? How many have sugar and orange bowls? More conference championships? How many have better NCAA tournaments appeances? NCAA wins? Ranked more in either sport? How many have all of those?

Boise has ny6s, but has been FBS for only 30 years and has no basketball history.
NIU has an Orange bowl.
That's it from all those schools listed.

None of those schools have Tulsa's success in basketball.

Most don't have our budget or level of facilities. Many don't have our support and Tulsa's viewership.


Stick to fcs and division 2 where you still don't know what you are talking about, but luckily neither does anyone else.
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