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I saw a Dennis Dodd tweet that the Big East TV deal will be bumped up to approx. $6M per school with the addition of UConn. He has since deleted it, so not sure if that figure is accurate. If so, UConn should have no problem increasing our TV revenue beyond the new AAC deal with ESPN.
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There are a few posts on some other threads that break down the revenue on a pro forma basis. UConn will absolutely make more money as a member of the Big East, even if paid out at the same level as current Big East members. Basically, its opportunity to sell rights for football and women's basketball on a separate basis, the increase in NCAA tournament payout as a member of the Big East, the increase in conference basketball tournament revenue, the anticipated increase in basketball attendance and revenue from boosters, exceed any reductions in national TV money and bowl money.

I believe UConn was taking a wait and see attitude about the new AAC TV deal. It waited, it saw, and it no likey.
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we got a 400 percent increase and make more than the BE. OP blown up right there...
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(06-25-2019 12:51 PM)Bull Wrote:  we got a 400 percent increase and make more than the BE. OP blown up right there...

But, like many AAC fans on here, that type of response fails to take into consideration the significant costs associated with maintaining membership in the AAC for UConn. Yes, the new deal increased to $7 million annually for members until 2032 (which will be astronomically smaller than what the power conferences will be making when they re-do their deals in the coming years, but that is another story). However, between travel costs (over $7 million annually, thanks to repeated road trips in Olympic sports to Texas, Florida, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Kansas, etc.), that figure simply couldn't account for the necessary revenues needed to keep up spending. Add on the fact that the AAC and ESPN refused UConn's push to keep its Tier 3 rights (which it has rightly earned and acquired over the years - and those are worth more than a million annually), the Big East has acquired significantly more tournament credits payouts for future years than the AAC, and the is already a significant increase in fan interest and support for the move, this deal was a no-brainer for UConn.

UConn will not be losing money over this move. They and the Big East have successfully managed to increase both of their respective values with this partnership. That's called a win/win.
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(06-25-2019 12:51 PM)Bull Wrote:  we got a 400 percent increase and make more than the BE. OP blown up right there...

You have football. How many millions do the AAC schools have to spend to pretend they belong? you know, P6? UConn FB is headed towards FCS or worse!
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It's definitely more than 200k a year. You need people to staff cameras, set up equipment, tear down, work the stat booth, broadcast the game, etc. Even a small scale production is going to need at least 3 or 4 salaried individuals to do it - football & basketball could easily have dozens of people. Maybe some are low paid students, but with the price of the cameras there will be at least a few full time salaried employees on a broadcast.
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(06-25-2019 09:52 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  UConn left the AAC to go to the BE to salvage their basketball program. The difference between what they can make from the AAC tv contract and what they will make in the BE is actually peanuts when you look at the overall budget. Before this latest round of realignment, the UConn name was huge on the national scene. In less than seven years its been reduced to almost irrelevancy. By simply being aligned with and playing their deep historic rivals as conference mates in a league like the Big East, which still is a big deal, will restore the program back to relevance very quickly. Especially if they have a coach who knows how to win. I hate to admit this, but they do have a coach who knows how to win, even though I cant stand his baboonish demeanor on the court.

Yes, UConn saw its crown jewel, its reason for national relevance, men's hoops, going down an AAC drain with no end in sight.

That is why they are leaving.
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(06-25-2019 09:23 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  The Bottomline:
AAC schools are responsible for on-campus production costs, which some estimate could lower their net annual take by as much as $2 million... So AAC schools will only see 5M.
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I don’t know if you’re a troll or just that stupid, but either way, thanks for the laugh.
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(06-25-2019 07:37 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:23 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  The Bottomline:
AAC schools are responsible for on-campus production costs, which some estimate could lower their net annual take by as much as $2 million... So AAC schools will only see 5M.
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I don’t know if you’re a troll or just that stupid, but either way, thanks for the laugh.

Aresco did say production quality would have to be upgraded, which could be costly. The schools are obligated to provide an ESPN-level production.

I suspect at many G5 schools, the existing 'in house' production is of public access cable quality. But two mass-com majors wielding steady-cams for internship credit won't cut it.
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(06-25-2019 09:52 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  UConn left the AAC to go to the BE to salvage their basketball program. The difference between what they can make from the AAC tv contract and what they will make in the BE is actually peanuts when you look at the overall budget. Before this latest round of realignment, the UConn name was huge on the national scene. In less than seven years its been reduced to almost irrelevancy. By simply being aligned with and playing their deep historic rivals as conference mates in a league like the Big East, which still is a big deal, will restore the program back to relevance very quickly. Especially if they have a coach who knows how to win. I hate to admit this, but they do have a coach who knows how to win, even though I cant stand his baboonish demeanor on the court.

I think UConn fans will be happy to get to the big east and play their true rivals. Can’t wait to see Syracuse, West Virginia, Louisville, Boston college, Rutgers, Notre Dame and Pitt back in msg. Great move and the football team will do so well the big 12 will have to notice. Brilliant
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(06-25-2019 12:51 PM)Bull Wrote:  we got a 400 percent increase and make more than the BE. OP blown up right there...

UConn is going to get the BE $4m for its other sports, and still can sell its football on top of that. Plus they get to keep their lucrative T3 rights.

That will surely be more than the all-included $7m they would get from the AAC.
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(06-25-2019 07:50 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:52 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  UConn left the AAC to go to the BE to salvage their basketball program. The difference between what they can make from the AAC tv contract and what they will make in the BE is actually peanuts when you look at the overall budget. Before this latest round of realignment, the UConn name was huge on the national scene. In less than seven years its been reduced to almost irrelevancy. By simply being aligned with and playing their deep historic rivals as conference mates in a league like the Big East, which still is a big deal, will restore the program back to relevance very quickly. Especially if they have a coach who knows how to win. I hate to admit this, but they do have a coach who knows how to win, even though I cant stand his baboonish demeanor on the court.

I think UConn fans will be happy to get to the big east and play their true rivals. Can’t wait to see Syracuse, West Virginia, Louisville, Boston college, Rutgers, Notre Dame and Pitt back in msg. Great move and the football team will do so well the big 12 will have to notice. Brilliant

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As I said elsewhere, AD's are open to making a move just for the sake of a move even if its not a 50 year thing.

A move of UConn to lower tier independent could save costs, bag some nice home opponents and load up on money games.

Ultimately they want to be in a P5. The B1G or ACC ideally but possibly the XII as a FB only member if the opening arises like it almost did in 2016.

This move from the AAC to BE is a lot like refinancing your home preemptively before deciding to rent it out, IMO.
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(06-25-2019 07:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Aresco did say production quality would have to be upgraded, which could be costly. The schools are obligated to provide an ESPN-level production.

I suspect at many G5 schools, the existing 'in house' production is of public access cable quality. But two mass-com majors wielding steady-cams for internship credit won't cut it.

But the capital costs of the upgrade don't have to be paid every year ... only the operating costs. So there's a wide range of financial impacts depending upon the qualify of the broadcast infrastructure already in place. I'm thinking "as much as $2m" is more like the worst case, and for a BBall focused school with a third tier broadcast deal in the range of a million, it's not likely that UConn is anywhere near the worst case for required upgrade costs.

The reduction in travel costs is likely to be a much bigger financial increment. Half of the Big East is closer than the second closest all-sports AAC member, four of the AAC schools are farther than the longest Big East trip.
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(06-25-2019 08:03 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 07:50 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:52 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  UConn left the AAC to go to the BE to salvage their basketball program. The difference between what they can make from the AAC tv contract and what they will make in the BE is actually peanuts when you look at the overall budget. Before this latest round of realignment, the UConn name was huge on the national scene. In less than seven years its been reduced to almost irrelevancy. By simply being aligned with and playing their deep historic rivals as conference mates in a league like the Big East, which still is a big deal, will restore the program back to relevance very quickly. Especially if they have a coach who knows how to win. I hate to admit this, but they do have a coach who knows how to win, even though I cant stand his baboonish demeanor on the court.

I think UConn fans will be happy to get to the big east and play their true rivals. Can’t wait to see Syracuse, West Virginia, Louisville, Boston college, Rutgers, Notre Dame and Pitt back in msg. Great move and the football team will do so well the big 12 will have to notice. Brilliant

Someone's salty.

Actually the opposite, we get rid of the worst football team in the conference. We can add BYU and Dayton and imo have more value or can complete the west wing and add BYU,Boise,SDSU, CSU and Air Force. Worse case pull a big 12 and stay put with more money. I personally think this is a terrible move for UConn football and baseball, basketball in the big east isn’t 2006.
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(06-25-2019 08:03 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 07:50 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 09:52 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  UConn left the AAC to go to the BE to salvage their basketball program. The difference between what they can make from the AAC tv contract and what they will make in the BE is actually peanuts when you look at the overall budget. Before this latest round of realignment, the UConn name was huge on the national scene. In less than seven years its been reduced to almost irrelevancy. By simply being aligned with and playing their deep historic rivals as conference mates in a league like the Big East, which still is a big deal, will restore the program back to relevance very quickly. Especially if they have a coach who knows how to win. I hate to admit this, but they do have a coach who knows how to win, even though I cant stand his baboonish demeanor on the court.

I think UConn fans will be happy to get to the big east and play their true rivals. Can’t wait to see Syracuse, West Virginia, Louisville, Boston college, Rutgers, Notre Dame and Pitt back in msg. Great move and the football team will do so well the big 12 will have to notice. Brilliant

Someone's salty.

HaHa Rutgers and BC, really.

If AAC people didn’t care they wouldn’t be wasting their Time on message boards discussing this. Everyone can see you’re just CUSA from the mid 2000s. 7 of your members were in CUSA from 2005-2013. Y’all better stop adding former CUSA members if you want to shed that label. BYU ain’t coming, no one who adds any value is. I wonder why? Maybe if Aresco actually got you guys 10-12 mill a year you’d have more pull.
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(06-26-2019 01:03 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 07:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Aresco did say production quality would have to be upgraded, which could be costly. The schools are obligated to provide an ESPN-level production.

I suspect at many G5 schools, the existing 'in house' production is of public access cable quality. But two mass-com majors wielding steady-cams for internship credit won't cut it.

But the capital costs of the upgrade don't have to be paid every year ... only the operating costs. So there's a wide range of financial impacts depending upon the qualify of the broadcast infrastructure already in place. I'm thinking "as much as $2m" is more like the worst case, and for a BBall focused school with a third tier broadcast deal in the range of a million, it's not likely that UConn is anywhere near the worst case for required upgrade costs.

The reduction in travel costs is likely to be a much bigger financial increment. Half of the Big East is closer than the second closest all-sports AAC member, four of the AAC schools are farther than the longest Big East trip.

I realize that AAC will not have their own linear channel, they will have a branded digital channel... But if you look at what the SEC had to spend for their production, the cost and what the ACC had to spend for the ACCN. The $2M per AAC school and farming out Raycom for the Title games sound like a real bargin. The final cost could be higher! But their are two ways to do it. First the SEC way where they spread the cost over multiple years and then the ACC where they are fronting the total cost at teh start. It would appear the way your Commish is speaking is that the AAC will do it over multiple years like the SEC did... The 2M is a steal... IMHO

From articles:
It’s an expensive proposition that could lead to spending $100,000 on a camera platform or $1 million to run fiber-optic connections from a school’s venues to the control rooms.

Some schools have greater infrastructure needs, which leads to more construction costs to retrofit spaces or build new buildings. Those dollars add up, especially given the ACC’s commitment to have it all ready by launch. Many SEC schools built up their production capabilities after launch.

A year ago, Virginia Tech was expecting to spend $5 million to $7 million to prepare for the ACC Network’s demands. The final budget came in at $10 million.

ESPN and the Atlantic Coast Conference are still gearing up to launch the ACC Network as a linear channel next year (it already exists as a digital brand), but that’s going to be expensive. At Sports Business Journal, Michael Smith dove into the ACC schools’ preparations for the network launch, which are now expected to cost $6 to $10 million per school (up from the $5 to $7 million reported last summer) and $110 to $120 million overall, four times what SEC schools spent ahead of the 2014 SEC Network launch. That launch saw some schools like Arkansas spend up to $7 million, but others like Florida spend less than a million. So why are things so expensive for the ACC?

SEC schools started out producing live events with digital standards as opposed to linear standards. In the most crude cases, an SEC school produced games for the digital platform using a single camera combined with the school’s radio broadcast or a Flypack mobile unit if a control room wasn’t available.


For SEC games going on the linear channel, ESPN brought in its own production truck. Over time, SEC schools have raised their standards, which has allowed them to spread the costs for equipment over several years. But the ACC’s goal at launch is to have every school prepared to produce multiple live events at linear-TV quality at the same time.



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(06-26-2019 07:16 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  It’s an expensive proposition that could lead to spending $100,000 on a camera platform or $1 million to run fiber-optic connections from a school’s venues to the control rooms.

Which is what I said ... a lot of these costs are capital costs, like both of those examples, not operating costs. It may cost $1m to run fiber-optic connections from a venue to the control rooms ... but you don't have to do that annually, you have to do that once, so on an annual basis over the life of the contract it's substantially less than $1m.

So getting to a value of a "$2m annual cost" would involve, (1) the annual operating cost, plus (2) a much larger capital cost that has been annualized to a certain amount over the life of the contract.

I don't think it's likely that any infrastructure upgrade UConn would require under the AAC contract would be on the upper end of the range, so I don't think it's likely that the high end of estimates of support costs for the streams applies to UConn.
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(06-25-2019 07:57 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 12:51 PM)Bull Wrote:  we got a 400 percent increase and make more than the BE. OP blown up right there...

UConn is going to get the BE $4m for its other sports, and still can sell its football on top of that. Plus they get to keep their lucrative T3 rights.

That will surely be more than the all-included $7m they would get from the AAC.

As someone else pointed out on another thread, the Big East and AAC deals are a lot closer than they appear at first. Both deals are 12 years and, critically, are back end loaded. This means that the average payout usually quoted overstates the early year payouts and understates the later year payouts. 2020-21 will be year 8 of the Big East contract while it will be year 1 of the AAC's new deal.

As you point out, UConn can also generate more money from separate deals for football and women's basketball that were not available under the AAC deal.
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(06-25-2019 09:06 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  The fine print: Most games will be on ESPN+, a pay web service ($4.99 per month) with only 2 million subscribers, rather than linear or “real” TV; schools are responsible for on-campus production costs, which some estimate could lower their net annual take by as much as $2 million; and the deal is for 12 years, when technology may change and media rights might be worth more and Div. I athletic budgets will undoubtedly have soared.


Your post conveniently omits the fact that the American went from 28 guaranteed football games on ABC, ESPN, ESPN2 & ESPNU to 40 guaranteed games.

Likewise, our basketball guaranteed windows on those channels went up as well.

Yes, some of our content that was previously on linear channels no one watches (ESPNews and CBSSN) will now be on streaming. Who cares.
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