(06-28-2019 11:55 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote: (06-28-2019 11:36 AM)Longhorn Wrote: (06-28-2019 09:56 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote: (06-27-2019 04:29 PM)Longhorn Wrote: (06-27-2019 02:41 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote: Their undefeated seasons did not end in the playoffs because their out of conference schedule was weak. There was no college football playoff for boise state so not sure your point there and Houston had one loss to UConn and had to complete with Clemson, Alabama, Mich St, and Oklahoma. Really no argument there.
There is not "absolutely no chance" for a g5 to make the playoff. You go undefeated in conference and a strong OOC schedule. With a four team playoff, there has to be a few big names to lose - not impossible. With an expanded playoff, the top rank G5 school is almost a lock if they are a top 8 team
Remember when Utah and TCU were g5 schools?j What conferences are they both in now? Oh right they both are in p5 conferences. Why not want to get in a G5 now and then when the shakeup you mentioned happens, we are in a much better position.
Oh my. Yep, and I remember when men landed on the moon. That doesn’t mean you or I will be flying in space anytime soon, much less making a lunar landing.
You are aware the schools you cite, especially TCU, have very long and storied histories playing football? Their time as “G5” schools was more an anomaly than anything else.
It’s not a matter of JMU “wanting to get in a G5 now”...it’s a matter of opportunity and whether the reclassification makes sense. There’s a chance the entire “P5” and “G5” construct evolves into something entirely different in the coming years, and being a member of a crap G5 conference will not advantage JMU in any way.
I’m sure Hyper is right though, if we only root hard enough all our JMU P5 dreams will become real.
Not sure how having the majority of your school's history playing a sport in a smaller conference can be considered an anomaly but ok. Lets go to your moon landing reference. It proved that if desire and proper planning are there, you can accomplish your goal. It also shows that if it was done once (or twice in TCUs and Utahs case), it can be done again. Oh and by the way, NASA just announced a new moon mission last month
You mean to tell me that App St, Buffalo, Marshall, Georgia Southern, La tech, FAU etc aren't in a better position playing in a crap conference when the next shake up happens? Youre right, there could be some sort of massive change but that'll most likely leave JMU playing the bottom of the barrel from those conferences
You are aware TCU started playing FB in 1898 or so? And from the early 1920s played in the SouthWest Conference until 1995 until it folded? That TCU has won two mythical NCs in FB, and boasts a Heisman Trophy winner? Say what you will about the SWC, but it was every bit a “power” conference in its heyday, and so, I repeat, TCUs journey as a FB program in the 14-15 years (out of a 120 year history) in the WAC/CUSA etc. was an anomaly before being extended an invitation to rejoin the adult table after the Big 8/10/12 went through its various changes in membership. No where in TCU’s history is their a parallel to JMU’s current or future opportunities.
I’d like to see JMU continue to grow and develop as an academic institution first, and an athletic power second, and don’t see any reason why the two developmental ambitions can’t be managed simultaneously. That said, joining a crap G5 league for FB at this time strikes me as a waste of resources. Better to put those $$$ and effort into building a legit MBB program, and perhaps even adding MLax. If an opportunity comes about to join a better conference I’m certainly not against it, but JMU’s attractiveness to being courted by a significantly better conference IMO rests on improving MBB, not joining the dregs of G5 FB.
Oh right that NC in 1939, what was it like reading about that in the papers LH? Nowhere in any post did I say the situations are one in the same, simply that TCU went from a G5 conference to a P5 conference when the last shakeup happened. To be even considered for that, you need to be playing in an FBS conference and you never know what happens after that. Do not misconstrue that statement as I think JMU eventually goes P5. G5 conferences provide better opportunities for advancement when realignments happen. No conference wants to be the one that adds an FCS team so take what you can get within reason and move from there
In case you missed it, we're putting 100 million into building a legit MBB program. You said you want to grow JMU as an academic institution first which I'm all for and judging by the multiple construction projects taking place, I'd say they are doing a great job of that so far. How does adding MLax help anything of what you just said tho? Thats taking money away from academics and basketball.
I shared that TCU's classification as a G5 was an anomaly, and why in TCU's history their stay in the WAC/CUSA was but a blip in TCU's storied FB history, but you objected. Now you're backtracking trying to claim you never said TCU's and JMU's situations were the same. Nonsense. That's exactly what you were implying when you first used the examples of Utah and TCU as G5s that subsequently moved to a P5 conference.
You've chosen to ignore the obvious points I've made about the history of TCU FB because your original thesis falls apart when you try and justify their G5 classification as an advantage in moving upward.
JMU's next move (if it is to ever happen) will be to a G5, and then that's the end of the road. There will be no further movement. JMU won't be moving onward and upward to a P5, ala TCU...at least in our lifetimes.
No matter how much you'd like to denigrate or fluff-off TCU's FB heritage as ancient history, JMU is what it is, and JMU's pedigree and history doesn't support your argument that G5 membership for JMU will open up additional opportunities.
As fans we're all very proud of JMU. It is an extraordinary university, but don't get so pie-in-the-sky you lose sight of the very substantial obstacles facing all G5 programs.
Times
have changed, and JMU isn't going to join the the SEC. Not now. Not ever. P5s are a f*cking cartel, and the doors are closed.
Maybe the P5's will split from the NCAA and create their own "club"...and maybe as a G5 (or if JMU remains at the FCS level), JMU will continue to "get a chance" to compete against the P5s...but until something major happens (like Congress intervenes), JMU even as a G5 isn't going to leapfrog any of the more established programs and get the call up to join a P5.
Let's be perfectly clear here...your suggestion that "...you need to be playing in an FBS conference and you never know what happens after that" is meaningless. When you extrapolate the possibilities (based on the most recent conference realignments) the names or labels may change, but when the dust settles, JMU will be playing basically the same people, but at a much greater expense, and no realistic chance at a NC.
JMU's situation today is appreciably no different than App St., Ga. St., ODU, UMass, UConn...institutions that thought the move to a G5 conference made sense (to those schools) at the time those opportunities presented themselves. But they're now stuck playing a schedule of former FCS teams or other G5s, and the occasional minor bowl game. This is progress? I don't think so.
IMO, moving to any of the available G5 choices at this time does NOTHING to advance JMU's national profile. I repeat, FBS FB money would be better spent on MBB and MLax. MBB is a sport wherein JMU can potentially generate a major revenue stream, and MLax is a sport where the facilities at JMU already exist, and there is a major recruiting and fan base in the East Coast/Mid-Atlantic region.
