(06-27-2019 11:35 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 11:08 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 10:54 AM)James Madison Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 11:40 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 10:00 PM)James Madison Wrote:  I'd still much rather play odu, marshall, uab, and charlotte than albany, new hampshire, rhode island, and colgate. They would make for better games while improving our national image by playing at a higher level. Imagine the excitement that scheduling va tech at bridgeforth would bring. IMO it would be the most anticipated game in the history of the program. ODU is playing uva, va tech, and ecu next season ooc. Sure we play wvu but some of our other ooc games are against the powerhouse teams in St Francis Pa and Morgan State.

Honest questions:
Do you honestly think playing UAB and Charlotte “improve our national image?”
Do you think the majority of JMU fans give a flying flip about UAB and Charlotte as opposed to Albany and New Hampshire?
Given where we left off with VT and your suggestion that they’d travel to Bridgeforth, can I have whatever you’re smoking?
ODU is playing AT VT and AT UVA. The only reason we don’t currently schedule those games is because they don’t want to lose to an FCS school. Am I supposed to be excited to host the ECU team we throttled in their house?

I often have trouble agreeing with Longhorn because of hyperbole, but he kind of nailed it in his last comment.

Yes I do because they are better teams. We would also get to play more p5 schools for a chance to raise image as well. I know people who went to uab, charlotte, and odu so idk about the majority but I would be more excited for those games. I'd venture to say the average jmu fan knows way more odu grads who watch football than albany and new hampshire fans as well so that game would draw higher attendance and views. If you look back to just last season you'll notice that va tech played AT odu, next year uva is playing AT odu, and wake forest is playing AT odu. If you think these games wouldn't be more exciting than our schedule then you're delusional.

In regards to scheduling tech at home, we beat them almost 10 years ago. It was a good win I'm not discounting that and they have been scared to schedule us again but if we moved up I don't think it would be as hard to schedule them as you're making it out to be. We also beat UVA what in the 80's? Yeah we routed ecu at dowdy ficklin but are you telling me bringing a Mike Houston led team back into Bridgeforth for a chance to rout them again wouldn't be exciting or sell out?

It may take time in the fbs to get these games scheduled and to get acclimated but odu has done this lol

I think maybe you’re enrolled at the wrong school if you know more ODU people and think that institution is somehow doing something special on the FB field. ODU is a mess, and it’s a mess of their own making.

The truth is that (with the exception of a half-dozen G5 programs like Houston) they all exist in financial purgatory and are competitively disadvantaged when compared to P5 teams. Under the current “rules” controlled by the cartel of P5 conferences, no G5 FB program will ever have the opportunity to play for a NC. Better IMO to play the occasional P5 or G5 team (as JMU does now), and invest in a quality MBB program, and those other sports some JMU FB fans of FBS are quick to dismiss as meaningless.

Nobody has said the other sports are meaningless, just that they are not on the forefront of media coverage. It's great that we compete at a high level in most of them but it doesnt move the needle for the common fan.

There are no rules stating that no g5 team can make the playoffs. I understand the point you're trying to make but if UCF has a stronger OOC schedule they had a legitimate opportunity. With only four teams it is tough and some crazy losses may have to happen but there is a chance. That chance increases substantially if the CFP is expanded

How is it that ODU can raise over 4 times as much as JMU in one year when we would most likely beat them in almost every sport? I think FBS is a big factor regardless of how big of a mess they are

And my point is reinforced when a FB team like UCF, with their undefeated season, ended up sidelined, and not playing for a NC. Same thing happened to Houston a couple years earlier, and Boise St. before that. The P5 are a cartel, and they’re not sharing the FB spoils. Why should they?

The only sports where JMU teams may earn their way into D1 championship rounds are those with an established playoff structure. Basketball. Baseball. Soccer, and so on. There’s absolutely zero chance for a G5 FB team to be given the opportunity to play for a NC in FB so long as the SEC, B10, B12 etc. hold the purse strings, and JMU (brace yourself) will never be a member of a P5 conference.

Until (and unless) there is a shakeup wherein the NCAA allows for a reorganization of conferences along regional geographic lines where (just naming these schools as an example) App St., Marshall, Delaware and other like programs could be grouped together with JMU, there is little reason to throw-in with some existing G5.

(06-27-2019 01:36 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  ...and JMU (brace yourself) will never be a member of a P5 conference.

Bold statement. This guy roots.

(06-27-2019 02:20 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 01:36 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  ...and JMU (brace yourself) will never be a member of a P5 conference.

Bold statement. This guy roots.

Hey bud, this person is an academician....this person has forgotten more than you and I know...

(06-27-2019 01:36 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 11:35 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 11:08 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 10:54 AM)James Madison Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 11:40 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  Honest questions:
Do you honestly think playing UAB and Charlotte “improve our national image?”
Do you think the majority of JMU fans give a flying flip about UAB and Charlotte as opposed to Albany and New Hampshire?
Given where we left off with VT and your suggestion that they’d travel to Bridgeforth, can I have whatever you’re smoking?
ODU is playing AT VT and AT UVA. The only reason we don’t currently schedule those games is because they don’t want to lose to an FCS school. Am I supposed to be excited to host the ECU team we throttled in their house?

I often have trouble agreeing with Longhorn because of hyperbole, but he kind of nailed it in his last comment.

Yes I do because they are better teams. We would also get to play more p5 schools for a chance to raise image as well. I know people who went to uab, charlotte, and odu so idk about the majority but I would be more excited for those games. I'd venture to say the average jmu fan knows way more odu grads who watch football than albany and new hampshire fans as well so that game would draw higher attendance and views. If you look back to just last season you'll notice that va tech played AT odu, next year uva is playing AT odu, and wake forest is playing AT odu. If you think these games wouldn't be more exciting than our schedule then you're delusional.

In regards to scheduling tech at home, we beat them almost 10 years ago. It was a good win I'm not discounting that and they have been scared to schedule us again but if we moved up I don't think it would be as hard to schedule them as you're making it out to be. We also beat UVA what in the 80's? Yeah we routed ecu at dowdy ficklin but are you telling me bringing a Mike Houston led team back into Bridgeforth for a chance to rout them again wouldn't be exciting or sell out?

It may take time in the fbs to get these games scheduled and to get acclimated but odu has done this lol

I think maybe you’re enrolled at the wrong school if you know more ODU people and think that institution is somehow doing something special on the FB field. ODU is a mess, and it’s a mess of their own making.

The truth is that (with the exception of a half-dozen G5 programs like Houston) they all exist in financial purgatory and are competitively disadvantaged when compared to P5 teams. Under the current “rules” controlled by the cartel of P5 conferences, no G5 FB program will ever have the opportunity to play for a NC. Better IMO to play the occasional P5 or G5 team (as JMU does now), and invest in a quality MBB program, and those other sports some JMU FB fans of FBS are quick to dismiss as meaningless.

Nobody has said the other sports are meaningless, just that they are not on the forefront of media coverage. It's great that we compete at a high level in most of them but it doesnt move the needle for the common fan.

There are no rules stating that no g5 team can make the playoffs. I understand the point you're trying to make but if UCF has a stronger OOC schedule they had a legitimate opportunity. With only four teams it is tough and some crazy losses may have to happen but there is a chance. That chance increases substantially if the CFP is expanded

How is it that ODU can raise over 4 times as much as JMU in one year when we would most likely beat them in almost every sport? I think FBS is a big factor regardless of how big of a mess they are

And my point is reinforced when a FB team like UCF, with their undefeated season, ended up sidelined, and not playing for a NC. Same thing happened to Houston a couple years earlier, and Boise St. before that. The P5 are a cartel, and they’re not sharing the FB spoils. Why should they?

The only sports where JMU teams may earn their way into D1 championship rounds are those with an established playoff structure. Basketball. Baseball. Soccer, and so on. There’s absolutely zero chance for a G5 FB team to be given the opportunity to play for a NC in FB so long as the SEC, B10, B12 etc. hold the purse strings, and JMU (brace yourself) will never be a member of a P5 conference.

Until (and unless) there is a shakeup wherein the NCAA allows for a reorganization of conferences along regional geographic lines where (just naming these schools as an example) App St., Marshall, Delaware and other like programs could be grouped together with JMU, there is little reason to throw-in with some existing G5.

Their undefeated seasons did not end in the playoffs because their out of conference schedule was weak. There was no college football playoff for boise state so not sure your point there and Houston had one loss to UConn and had to complete with Clemson, Alabama, Mich St, and Oklahoma. Really no argument there.

There is not "absolutely no chance" for a g5 to make the playoff. You go undefeated in conference and a strong OOC schedule. With a four team playoff, there has to be a few big names to lose - not impossible. With an expanded playoff, the top rank G5 school is almost a lock if they are a top 8 team

Remember when Utah and TCU were g5 schools? What conferences are they both in now? Oh right they both are in p5 conferences. Why not want to get in a G5 now and then when the shakeup you mentioned happens, we are in a much better position.

NO NO NO NOTHING CHANGES I LIKE IT LIKE THIS

(06-27-2019 02:41 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 01:36 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 11:35 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 11:08 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 10:54 AM)James Madison Wrote:  Yes I do because they are better teams. We would also get to play more p5 schools for a chance to raise image as well. I know people who went to uab, charlotte, and odu so idk about the majority but I would be more excited for those games. I'd venture to say the average jmu fan knows way more odu grads who watch football than albany and new hampshire fans as well so that game would draw higher attendance and views. If you look back to just last season you'll notice that va tech played AT odu, next year uva is playing AT odu, and wake forest is playing AT odu. If you think these games wouldn't be more exciting than our schedule then you're delusional.

In regards to scheduling tech at home, we beat them almost 10 years ago. It was a good win I'm not discounting that and they have been scared to schedule us again but if we moved up I don't think it would be as hard to schedule them as you're making it out to be. We also beat UVA what in the 80's? Yeah we routed ecu at dowdy ficklin but are you telling me bringing a Mike Houston led team back into Bridgeforth for a chance to rout them again wouldn't be exciting or sell out?

It may take time in the fbs to get these games scheduled and to get acclimated but odu has done this lol

I think maybe you’re enrolled at the wrong school if you know more ODU people and think that institution is somehow doing something special on the FB field. ODU is a mess, and it’s a mess of their own making.

The truth is that (with the exception of a half-dozen G5 programs like Houston) they all exist in financial purgatory and are competitively disadvantaged when compared to P5 teams. Under the current “rules” controlled by the cartel of P5 conferences, no G5 FB program will ever have the opportunity to play for a NC. Better IMO to play the occasional P5 or G5 team (as JMU does now), and invest in a quality MBB program, and those other sports some JMU FB fans of FBS are quick to dismiss as meaningless.

Nobody has said the other sports are meaningless, just that they are not on the forefront of media coverage. It's great that we compete at a high level in most of them but it doesnt move the needle for the common fan.

There are no rules stating that no g5 team can make the playoffs. I understand the point you're trying to make but if UCF has a stronger OOC schedule they had a legitimate opportunity. With only four teams it is tough and some crazy losses may have to happen but there is a chance. That chance increases substantially if the CFP is expanded

How is it that ODU can raise over 4 times as much as JMU in one year when we would most likely beat them in almost every sport? I think FBS is a big factor regardless of how big of a mess they are

And my point is reinforced when a FB team like UCF, with their undefeated season, ended up sidelined, and not playing for a NC. Same thing happened to Houston a couple years earlier, and Boise St. before that. The P5 are a cartel, and they’re not sharing the FB spoils. Why should they?

The only sports where JMU teams may earn their way into D1 championship rounds are those with an established playoff structure. Basketball. Baseball. Soccer, and so on. There’s absolutely zero chance for a G5 FB team to be given the opportunity to play for a NC in FB so long as the SEC, B10, B12 etc. hold the purse strings, and JMU (brace yourself) will never be a member of a P5 conference.

Until (and unless) there is a shakeup wherein the NCAA allows for a reorganization of conferences along regional geographic lines where (just naming these schools as an example) App St., Marshall, Delaware and other like programs could be grouped together with JMU, there is little reason to throw-in with some existing G5.

Their undefeated seasons did not end in the playoffs because their out of conference schedule was weak. There was no college football playoff for boise state so not sure your point there and Houston had one loss to UConn and had to complete with Clemson, Alabama, Mich St, and Oklahoma. Really no argument there.

There is not "absolutely no chance" for a g5 to make the playoff. You go undefeated in conference and a strong OOC schedule. With a four team playoff, there has to be a few big names to lose - not impossible. With an expanded playoff, the top rank G5 school is almost a lock if they are a top 8 team

Remember when Utah and TCU were g5 schools?j What conferences are they both in now? Oh right they both are in p5 conferences. Why not want to get in a G5 now and then when the shakeup you mentioned happens, we are in a much better position.

Oh my. Yep, and I remember when men landed on the moon. That doesn’t mean you or I will be flying in space anytime soon, much less making a lunar landing.

You are aware the schools you cite, especially TCU, have very long and storied histories playing football? Their time as “G5” schools was more an anomaly than anything else.

It’s not a matter of JMU “wanting to get in a G5 now”...it’s a matter of opportunity and whether the reclassification makes sense. There’s a chance the entire “P5” and “G5” construct evolves into something entirely different in the coming years, and being a member of a crap G5 conference will not advantage JMU in any way.

I’m sure Hyper is right though, if we only root hard enough all our JMU P5 dreams will become real.

I've never had a JMU P5 dream, but I've also learned that old people think the future will be the same as the past/present. It just doesn't work that way.

(06-27-2019 04:43 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I've never had a JMU P5 dream, but I've also learned that old people think the future will be the same as the past/present. It just doesn't work that way.

Do you know the future?

Jmu joins cusa.
Jmu joins aac.
P4 leaves ncaa.
G5 realigns based on geography.
Jmu stays caa4lyfe.

Any of these can happen. No one knows.

Is it better to “monitor” or spend millions on something that doesn’t move the needle but costs a lot more than it already does.

Who knows. Because any possible future can happen. Remember when odu talked up its budding future rivalry with ecu when they joined cusa? Whoops.

Because of that, when I evaluate the alternatives that MiGHT be available today, I’m quite happy with where we are versus those available alternatives.

I don’t think a move to CUSA was mega-attractive to JMU back then, but ODU took it and is by all accounts ahead of us on the AAC list.

I don’t think G5 realigns based on geography. I think THAT is a pipe dream that makes sense, but is unprecedented (not unlike putting another D1 school’s name on our basketball court).

I don’t think JMU goes to AAC until after Houston/Cincy/Memphis leave. Definitely less likely than the other possibilities. Let’s cross that one off.

Realistic remaining options are stay FCS, go CUSA or go FBS Indy. Our leaders have said they want a conference. So there are two likely possibilities. FCS or CUSA.

I know people aren’t fans of weeknight games (I’m not particularly either) but is the MAC immediately off the list for everyone? Obviously travel costs for Olympic sports play a big role but I personally would prefer to be aligned with the overall image of the MAC than CUSA.

MAC could be in play, I guess. Never know.

(06-27-2019 07:21 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  MAC could be in play, I guess. Never know.

Ya never know, but none of your possibilities included membership in a P5 conference. How come? Does that make you an old person, or perhaps just a rational one?

Sorry, not sorry that my pointing out JMU membership in a P5 conference is never going to happen, and that fact seemed to have ruffled your feathers. Young or old, we both know there is no route for JMU to join a P5. That obvious fact doesn’t make either of us any less passionate about JMU FB or JMU in general.

There’s a difference between your never and my next step realistic projection.

(06-27-2019 07:57 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 06:57 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 05:00 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 04:18 PM)James Madison Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 01:38 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  A) UCF is an obvious 1 out of 130 teams case. B) We're not UCF. Of course they think their success is great. C) Are you implying that I'm not entitled to a completely reasonable opinion that I'm not interested in being in a position where my team can't be the best in the nation? I mean really, REALLY, how honestly excited is UCF about their hilarious champions' parade?

We're still not the best in the nation after winning the FCS championship lol we're just the best of the scrubs and ndsu. The playoff runs are exciting but I'd rather win a bowl game against a P5 school where I may know someone who actually went there/people have heard of. Not to mention playing better competition every week with the occasional P5 and putting ourselves in a better position for further growth.

Do you know how many g5 vs p5 bowl games there are a year?

It’s been going down every year. I believe last year it was 2.

And other then the New Years six one, it’s agaisnst a middling 6-6 p5 team.

Regardless of how many G5 vs P5 matchups there have been lately, the entire country now knows about UCF, albeit somewhat in jest after they claimed the national title. In the late 2000s Boise state was that hot team everyone knew of. In 2015 Houston finished 8 in the poles, Utah and TCU each had their time in the limelight recently. In TCUs case, they eventually found their way into a P5.

My point is that if JMU plays a g5 schedule and knocks off one or 2 p5 teams in a year, we'd be that team that is nationally known and all over sportscenter. To me, that exposures only leads to better things and is worth more than an FCS championship. It's only a matter of time before the playoffs are expanded and until we are sitting at the adult table, we'll have to settle for a televised championship game on ESPN2 at noon

Look at NDSU, they've dominated the FCS for a decade and the most coverage they get is for the championship game.

The “whole country” knows about UCF? I’d like to see the polling data that backs up that statement. I’d dare say after hosting two ESPN Game Days and playing in two consecutive NC games JMU’s national sports identity is about as well known as UCF, and perhaps even more so with women’s Lax winning a NC, the men's Soccer team making the Elite 8 last year, and the gals success in softball.

As for NDSU, they’re well known for FB, and with better name recognition than you’re giving them credit for, but what other varsity sports program at NDSU has made noise on the national stage? That to me is the biggest difference at JMU...all of our varsity sports are expected to excel, and when (not if) MBB starts to become relevant, your obsession about playing minor-league G5 FB without a true pathway to a NC will dissipate.

NDSU was leading in points for the men’s Capital One Cup going into Memorial Day weekend. UVA overtook them with the men’s lacrosse NC and they finished in a tie for 4th with Clemson. Given their 4th place finish, they must be good in many more sports than just football.

(06-27-2019 10:36 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  NDSU was leading in points for the men’s Capital One Cup going into Memorial Day weekend. UVA overtook them with the men’s lacrosse NC and they finished in a tie for 4th with Clemson. Given their 4th place finish, they must be good in many more sports than just football.

I still haven’t forgotten Capital One’s screw job of JMU in their so-called mascot competition, but setting aside that memory, if NDSU was a top contender in the “Capital One Cup” what were those other mighty Bison men’s sports (other than FB) that you seem not to know?

(06-27-2019 10:36 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 07:57 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 06:57 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 05:00 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 04:18 PM)James Madison Wrote:  We're still not the best in the nation after winning the FCS championship lol we're just the best of the scrubs and ndsu. The playoff runs are exciting but I'd rather win a bowl game against a P5 school where I may know someone who actually went there/people have heard of. Not to mention playing better competition every week with the occasional P5 and putting ourselves in a better position for further growth.

Do you know how many g5 vs p5 bowl games there are a year?

It’s been going down every year. I believe last year it was 2.

And other then the New Years six one, it’s agaisnst a middling 6-6 p5 team.

Regardless of how many G5 vs P5 matchups there have been lately, the entire country now knows about UCF, albeit somewhat in jest after they claimed the national title. In the late 2000s Boise state was that hot team everyone knew of. In 2015 Houston finished 8 in the poles, Utah and TCU each had their time in the limelight recently. In TCUs case, they eventually found their way into a P5.

My point is that if JMU plays a g5 schedule and knocks off one or 2 p5 teams in a year, we'd be that team that is nationally known and all over sportscenter. To me, that exposures only leads to better things and is worth more than an FCS championship. It's only a matter of time before the playoffs are expanded and until we are sitting at the adult table, we'll have to settle for a televised championship game on ESPN2 at noon

Look at NDSU, they've dominated the FCS for a decade and the most coverage they get is for the championship game.

The “whole country” knows about UCF? I’d like to see the polling data that backs up that statement. I’d dare say after hosting two ESPN Game Days and playing in two consecutive NC games JMU’s national sports identity is about as well known as UCF, and perhaps even more so with women’s Lax winning a NC, the men's Soccer team making the Elite 8 last year, and the gals success in softball.

As for NDSU, they’re well known for FB, and with better name recognition than you’re giving them credit for, but what other varsity sports program at NDSU has made noise on the national stage? That to me is the biggest difference at JMU...all of our varsity sports are expected to excel, and when (not if) MBB starts to become relevant, your obsession about playing minor-league G5 FB without a true pathway to a NC will dissipate.

NDSU was leading in points for the men’s Capital One Cup going into Memorial Day weekend. UVA overtook them with the men’s lacrosse NC and they finished in a tie for 4th with Clemson. Given their 4th place finish, they must be good in many more sports than just football.

Eh, in their case they are but that's not quite how the Capital One cup works. They get 60 points for football NCAA title and probably got 2 points for ice hockey. They could be crap in everything else and still scored high. I think they actually do have a good MBB team so in their case they are decent in several sports but just by being Natty champs in FCS guarantees a top 10 finish (i.e. you could have been JMU in 2016 where we had a great football team and where every other mens sport was essentially a dumpster fire and still finish near top of the table)

(06-28-2019 07:50 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 10:36 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 07:57 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 06:57 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(06-27-2019 05:00 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Do you know how many g5 vs p5 bowl games there are a year?

It’s been going down every year. I believe last year it was 2.

And other then the New Years six one, it’s agaisnst a middling 6-6 p5 team.

Regardless of how many G5 vs P5 matchups there have been lately, the entire country now knows about UCF, albeit somewhat in jest after they claimed the national title. In the late 2000s Boise state was that hot team everyone knew of. In 2015 Houston finished 8 in the poles, Utah and TCU each had their time in the limelight recently. In TCUs case, they eventually found their way into a P5.

My point is that if JMU plays a g5 schedule and knocks off one or 2 p5 teams in a year, we'd be that team that is nationally known and all over sportscenter. To me, that exposures only leads to better things and is worth more than an FCS championship. It's only a matter of time before the playoffs are expanded and until we are sitting at the adult table, we'll have to settle for a televised championship game on ESPN2 at noon

Look at NDSU, they've dominated the FCS for a decade and the most coverage they get is for the championship game.

The “whole country” knows about UCF? I’d like to see the polling data that backs up that statement. I’d dare say after hosting two ESPN Game Days and playing in two consecutive NC games JMU’s national sports identity is about as well known as UCF, and perhaps even more so with women’s Lax winning a NC, the men's Soccer team making the Elite 8 last year, and the gals success in softball.

As for NDSU, they’re well known for FB, and with better name recognition than you’re giving them credit for, but what other varsity sports program at NDSU has made noise on the national stage? That to me is the biggest difference at JMU...all of our varsity sports are expected to excel, and when (not if) MBB starts to become relevant, your obsession about playing minor-league G5 FB without a true pathway to a NC will dissipate.

NDSU was leading in points for the men’s Capital One Cup going into Memorial Day weekend. UVA overtook them with the men’s lacrosse NC and they finished in a tie for 4th with Clemson. Given their 4th place finish, they must be good in many more sports than just football.

Eh, in their case they are but that's not quite how the Capital One cup works. They get 60 points for football NCAA title and probably got 2 points for ice hockey. They could be crap in everything else and still scored high. I think they actually do have a good MBB team so in their case they are decent in several sports but just by being Natty champs in FCS guarantees a top 10 finish (i.e. you could have been JMU in 2016 where we had a great football team and where every other mens sport was essentially a dumpster fire and still finish near top of the table)

Did JMU finish in the top 20 in 2016? I don’t recall that happening.

I think NDSU men’s basketball made the NCAA tournament this year. How many cup points for that? I really don’t know how that points are given out for each sport.