(06-26-2019 11:30 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 11:07 AM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 10:40 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 10:28 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 08:26 PM)Statefan Wrote:  No school is further out of the ACC's inner social/political loop than Syracuse. That distance is based on distance and culture. People from Syracuse still don't understand how Wake Forest operates on behalf of the conference because they are silent in public and their people don't run their mouths - you hear about who they have contacted and what they have done from the other parties.

Yes just disregard a school that had dealings with both applicants.

Don't let the backwards view of tobacco Rd worshippers get to you MarK. Some folks have a hard time letting go of the past. The SU AD was a top ESPN executive when the ACCN first came up. Now he is the AD at Syracuse the past several years. Do you really think there was any other single person in the ACC who has more knowledge and experience about these matters? Which AD do you think the rest of the ACC relied upon the most?

The question and response was about the vote to add a replacement for MD, not the ACCN. Why are you changing the issue - to cover up an earlier lack of relevancy?

I think it is to show that the new teams bring some strengths to the league. It isn't all about the NC4.

New teams have added a great deal to the league. Even Syracuse is appreciated. The point is that until you have been in the league long enough to get cozy with a voting block that can swing a vote, you are just a newbie, with the exception of FSU in 91 and ND in 2012. The only reason FSU had outsized weight was because of Bobby Bowden and Seminole football, the only reason ND had out sized weight was because they were ND and had more tentacles into the various ACC athletic offices than any school I know of other Maryland from back in the 60's/70's.

It's nothing personal, it's purely structural.

Because it is structural and because the structure is not that of a straight up business but that of a southern social/cotillion club, Syracuse in particular is least in line with entire mindset and folkways. Louisville and BC exist in a world of social pecking orders in a way you and Pitt do not. But Pitt is full of Yinzers. Yinzers are the distant cultural cousins of NC and Va folk from west of each state's Piedmont. Everyone in NC and Va with a cousin in the mountains, has themselves a cousin in Western Pa., but by the grace of God, they are not in West Va.

If Syracuse presented a formula to turn **** into gold to the league, UNC, Duke, and UVa would get together on the qt to make sure they benefited the most. It's just the way it is.

(06-26-2019 12:42 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  You don’t do away with divisions and still host a conference championship game at this moment. The ACC is surrounded by the BigTen and SEC, they are in a position to cherry pick the ACC rather than having to take 2 at a time. This could especially be a problem years down the road when the ACCs contract is close to being up.

I said this before, but I would be in favor of going divisionless and do without a conference championship game for the sake of better regular season matchups. Go divisionless and Cinci would not be needed.

No one is Cherry Picking the ACC.

1. ESPN has to pay for it
2. The school that moves has to forego any hope of football relevance
3. Any school that moves has to weigh an extra $15 to $20 million against falling $50 to $ 80 million behind the SEC and or Big 10 leaders in revenue.

(06-26-2019 12:42 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  You don’t do away with divisions and still host a conference championship game at this moment. The ACC is surrounded by the BigTen and SEC, they are in a position to cherry pick the ACC rather than having to take 2 at a time. This could especially be a problem years down the road when the ACCs contract is close to being up.

I said this before, but I would be in favor of going divisionless and do without a conference championship game for the sake of better regular season matchups. Go divisionless and Cinci would not be needed.

Are you really talking about stuff that might happen in 16 years
For all their success ACC fans sure are worry warts.
Take a moment and enjoy where this conference was and where it is now.

(06-24-2019 03:10 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  GTFletch provides a free Solution: Go to 9 Conf games or change the divisions both wil work..

9 Conf games:
If the ACC plays a nine-game slate without divisions, each school can have five annual rivals, and then play half of the eight remaining members for two years, followed by the rest for two years. What that will do for the ACC better than the three-five-five scheduling I suggested after Swofford went public about his hope that the NCAA will adopt allow flexibility is make the annual rivalry packages a little more balanced.

Below is my take on the five annual rivals.

BC - Syracuse, Pitt, Wake, VT, Miami

Syracuse - BC, Pitt, NCSU, Miami, Louisville

Pitt - Syracuse, BC,VT, Louisville, Miami

Louisville - NCSU, UVA, Syracuse, Pitt, GT

UVA - VT, UNC, Clemson, Duke, Louisville

VT - UVA, Miami, Duke , BC, Pitt

UNC - Duke, UVA, NCSU, GT, FSU

Duke - UNC, Wake, GT, UVA, VT

NCSU - UNC, Wake, Clemson, Louisville, Syracuse

Wake - NCSU, Duke, BC, FSU, Clemson

Clemson - NCSU, GT, FSU, Wake, UVA

GT - Clemson, Duke, FSU, Louisville, UNC

Florida State - Miami, GT, Clemson, Wake, UNC

Miami - FSU, VT, BC, Syracuse, Pitt

For Wake, swap FSU with UNC and we would be very happy with that proposal. Seems like NC State and Duke should be on each other's list as well.

(06-26-2019 08:19 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  For all their success ACC fans sure are worry warts.
Take a moment and enjoy where this conference was and where it is now.

A big amen to this.

If all the negative energy, constant whining and moaning, the seemingly endless conjuring of ridiculous realignment of divisions, and on and on and on ad nauseam, were directed into celebrating this outstanding conference, its achievements, and the upcoming launch of a network, no telling where this conference could go.

Stop and smell the roses. It could be a helluva lot worse.

(06-27-2019 05:33 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 08:19 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  For all their success ACC fans sure are worry warts.
Take a moment and enjoy where this conference was and where it is now.

A big amen to this.

If all the negative energy, constant whining and moaning, the seemingly endless conjuring of ridiculous realignment of divisions, and on and on and on ad nauseam, were directed into celebrating this outstanding conference, its achievements, and the upcoming launch of a network, no telling where this conference could go.

Stop and smell the roses. It could be a helluva lot worse.

Sometimes you need fans of (1) a team which has worked its way up from C-USA, and (2) a team which is in the FCS... to remind ACC fans how well we have it.

". . .the love of money is a root of all sorts of injurious things, and by reaching out for this love some have... stabbed themselves all over with many pains." (1 Timothy 6:10)

Worrying about how much more money someone else has just leads to ulcers.

...........

I prefer the current divisions/system to any of the proposed changes.

(06-24-2019 03:10 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  GTFletch provides a free Solution: Go to 9 Conf games or change the divisions both wil work..

9 Conf games:
If the ACC plays a nine-game slate without divisions, each school can have five annual rivals, and then play half of the eight remaining members for two years, followed by the rest for two years. What that will do for the ACC better than the three-five-five scheduling I suggested after Swofford went public about his hope that the NCAA will adopt allow flexibility is make the annual rivalry packages a little more balanced.

Below is my take on the five annual rivals.

BC - Syracuse, Pitt, Wake, VT, Miami

Syracuse - BC, Pitt, NCSU, Miami, Louisville

Pitt - Syracuse, BC,VT, Louisville, Miami

Louisville - NCSU, UVA, Syracuse, Pitt, GT

UVA - VT, UNC, Clemson, Duke, Louisville

VT - UVA, Miami, Duke , BC, Pitt

UNC - Duke, UVA, NCSU, GT, FSU

Duke - UNC, Wake, GT, UVA, VT

NCSU - UNC, Wake, Clemson, Louisville, Syracuse

Wake - NCSU, Duke, BC, FSU, Clemson

Clemson - NCSU, GT, FSU, Wake, UVA

GT - Clemson, Duke, FSU, Louisville, UNC

Florida State - Miami, GT, Clemson, Wake, UNC

Miami - FSU, VT, BC, Syracuse, Pitt

Link
http://www.southernpigskin.com/acc/nine-...accs-table

Or Divisions..Swap FSU and UVA... VT and UVA become annual... FSU annul would be BC.. and Miami annual would be Louisville...

Link
https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...-crossover

I’m not sure if the ACC wants to do a nine game league schedule. However, if they are interested in it, I would be fine with either one of these solutions. Both of these solutions are much better conceived than most of the nonsensical garbage you often read on the subject.

Garbage would be eliminating the annual UNC-UVa and FSU-Clemson games.

I still see very few issues with the divisonless 3-5-5 format. You just take the top two teams and have them play in the ACC Football Championship game in December. Some of these permanent games may need fixing based on rivals and competition, but at least in this case, every player will play a home and home game with every school in the conference if they are there at least 4 years. Someone on this board suggested this recently, and I apologize for not remembering, but the hat tip goes to you!

Permanent Games:
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest
Syracuse: Louisville, Pittsburgh, BC
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, Syracuse
Pittsburgh: Syracuse, Louisville, BC
Boston College: Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
NC State: North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest
Duke: North Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest
Wake Forest: NC State, Duke, Clemson
North Carolina: NC State, Duke, Virginia
Virginia: Virginia Tech, Boston College, North Carolina
Virginia Tech: Virginia, Miami, Louisville
Miami: Florida State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech
Florida State: Clemson, Miami, Georgia Tech
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Miami, Florida State

(07-03-2019 01:40 PM)MegaCard Wrote:  I still see very few issues with the divisonless 3-5-5 format. You just take the top two teams and have them play in the ACC Football Championship game in December. Some of these permanent games may need fixing based on rivals and competition, but at least in this case, every player will play a home and home game with every school in the conference if they are there at least 4 years. Someone on this board suggested this recently, and I apologize for not remembering, but the hat tip goes to you!

Permanent Games:
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest
Syracuse: Louisville, Pittsburgh, BC
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, Syracuse
Pittsburgh: Syracuse, Louisville, BC
Boston College: Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
NC State: North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest
Duke: North Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest
Wake Forest: NC State, Duke, Clemson
North Carolina: NC State, Duke, Virginia
Virginia: Virginia Tech, Boston College, North Carolina
Virginia Tech: Virginia, Miami, Louisville
Miami: Florida State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech
Florida State: Clemson, Miami, Georgia Tech
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Miami, Florida State

That is very close Duke and GT - every year since 45 takes precedence over GT and FSU every year or VT and Louisviille.

Tweak it some.

(07-03-2019 02:05 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 01:40 PM)MegaCard Wrote:  I still see very few issues with the divisonless 3-5-5 format. You just take the top two teams and have them play in the ACC Football Championship game in December. Some of these permanent games may need fixing based on rivals and competition, but at least in this case, every player will play a home and home game with every school in the conference if they are there at least 4 years. Someone on this board suggested this recently, and I apologize for not remembering, but the hat tip goes to you!

Permanent Games:
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest
Syracuse: Louisville, Pittsburgh, BC
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, Syracuse
Pittsburgh: Syracuse, Louisville, BC
Boston College: Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
NC State: North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest
Duke: North Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest
Wake Forest: NC State, Duke, Clemson
North Carolina: NC State, Duke, Virginia
Virginia: Virginia Tech, Boston College, North Carolina
Virginia Tech: Virginia, Miami, Louisville
Miami: Florida State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech
Florida State: Clemson, Miami, Georgia Tech
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Miami, Florida State

That is very close Duke and GT - every year since 45 takes precedence over GT and FSU every year or VT and Louisviille.

Tweak it some.

GT and Duke have played every year since 1933.

http://www.mcubed.net/ncaaf/series/duke/gatech.shtml

How about 4-3/6-1/3

4 every year - a pool of six you split - and a group of three you see once every three years such as

NC State

4 VT/Duke/WF/UNC - 3 CU/FSU, UVa/Pitt, GT/Syracse then one of 1 BC.Louisville,or Miami

Each year you get:

VT VT VT
Duke Duke Duke
WF WF WF
UNC UNC UNC
Clemson FSU CU
UVa Pitt UVA
GT Syracuse GT
BC Louisville Miami

(07-03-2019 02:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 02:05 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 01:40 PM)MegaCard Wrote:  I still see very few issues with the divisonless 3-5-5 format. You just take the top two teams and have them play in the ACC Football Championship game in December. Some of these permanent games may need fixing based on rivals and competition, but at least in this case, every player will play a home and home game with every school in the conference if they are there at least 4 years. Someone on this board suggested this recently, and I apologize for not remembering, but the hat tip goes to you!

Permanent Games:
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest
Syracuse: Louisville, Pittsburgh, BC
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, Syracuse
Pittsburgh: Syracuse, Louisville, BC
Boston College: Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
NC State: North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest
Duke: North Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest
Wake Forest: NC State, Duke, Clemson
North Carolina: NC State, Duke, Virginia
Virginia: Virginia Tech, Boston College, North Carolina
Virginia Tech: Virginia, Miami, Louisville
Miami: Florida State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech
Florida State: Clemson, Miami, Georgia Tech
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Miami, Florida State

That is very close Duke and GT - every year since 45 takes precedence over GT and FSU every year or VT and Louisviille.

Tweak it some.

GT and Duke have played every year since 1933.

http://www.mcubed.net/ncaaf/series/duke/gatech.shtml

I'm not for putting the screws to Duke and GT no matter how bad Duke stinks from year to year. NC State's relationship with Duke was never what a lot on here think it was although not playing a school 10 miles away is foolish. Not having WF and VT play was dumb for a number of reasons not the least of which was Bill Dooley.

If the ACC woke up one morning and Purdue and Indiana had joined, I would fully expect them to play football every damn year. Like BC and Syracuse.

I'm sick of the biannual trip to Boston, Louisville, Syracuse, Tallahassee, and even Clemson.

I want to go to Blacksburg, Charlottesville, Pittsburgh, Miami, and Atlanta more than once every 6 years. If you catch Clemson in the fall when the leaves are turning and it's not too hot they are very nice people, but damn some variety would be good and a periodic respite from Dabo would be nice.

Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, NC State
Syracuse: Louisville, Pittsburgh, BC
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, Syracuse
Pittsburgh: Syracuse, Louisville, Miami
Boston College: Syracuse, Miami, Virginia
NC State: North Carolina, Wake Forest, Clemson
Duke: North Carolina, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech
Wake Forest: NC State, Duke, Virginia Tech
North Carolina: NC State, Duke, Virginia
Virginia: Virginia Tech, North Carolina, BC
Virginia Tech: Virginia, Louisville, Wake Forest
Miami: Florida State, Pitt, BC
Florida State: Clemson, Miami, Georgia Tech
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Duke

I feel like I’ve done this exercise a million times. Most of them are fairly traditional except UVa-BC (a new commonwealth game) and the Louisville games.

(07-03-2019 10:12 PM)esayem Wrote:  Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, NC State
Syracuse: Louisville, Pittsburgh, BC
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, Syracuse
Pittsburgh: Syracuse, Louisville, Miami
Boston College: Syracuse, Miami, Virginia
NC State: North Carolina, Wake Forest, Clemson
Duke: North Carolina, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech
Wake Forest: NC State, Duke, Virginia Tech
North Carolina: NC State, Duke, Virginia
Virginia: Virginia Tech, North Carolina, BC
Virginia Tech: Virginia, Louisville, Wake Forest
Miami: Florida State, Pitt, BC
Florida State: Clemson, Miami, Georgia Tech
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Duke

I feel like I’ve done this exercise a million times. Most of them are fairly traditional except UVa-BC (a new commonwealth game) and the Louisville games.

step one: swap crossovers between BC/VT and UL/UVa. That gets a good benefit to the scheduling right away. Then, if that goes well, go a little further...

(07-04-2019 05:22 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 10:12 PM)esayem Wrote:  Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, NC State
Syracuse: Louisville, Pittsburgh, BC
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, Syracuse
Pittsburgh: Syracuse, Louisville, Miami
Boston College: Syracuse, Miami, Virginia
NC State: North Carolina, Wake Forest, Clemson
Duke: North Carolina, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech
Wake Forest: NC State, Duke, Virginia Tech
North Carolina: NC State, Duke, Virginia
Virginia: Virginia Tech, North Carolina, BC
Virginia Tech: Virginia, Louisville, Wake Forest
Miami: Florida State, Pitt, BC
Florida State: Clemson, Miami, Georgia Tech
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Duke

I feel like I’ve done this exercise a million times. Most of them are fairly traditional except UVa-BC (a new commonwealth game) and the Louisville games.

step one: swap crossovers between BC/VT and UL/UVa. That gets a good benefit to the scheduling right away. Then, if that goes well, go a little further...

Right. The ACC missed the boat on the that. VaTech-Louis should have been implemented day one. Although the football teams didn’t meet too often, both schools played in the Metro for what, ~15 years?

BC-VaTech was literally the last crossover to be decided and it is about as arbitrary as it gets. BC wanted to be with Miami, followed them to the ACC, and yet the two hardly play.

By having BC and Pitt be Miami’s rivals, some fancy scheduling voodoo would allow for rivalry week rotation of Miami-Pitt/BC-SU and Miami-BC/Pitt-SU.