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RE: A hypothetical hard bargain for Cincinnati
(07-02-2019 10:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-02-2019 10:22 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  The math still doesn't work. If Cincy got the ACC another $30 million and 1/2 went to existing members for some period of time... that works out to $1 million/per school. It's not worth the effort.

The LHN isn't going anywhere. Texas isn't giving up $20 million in free money. $20 million sounds like a lot, and considering UTs performance the last few years, maybe it is. When you consider that ND has a similar deal with NBC and other schools have tier3 packages, it's not that far off base.

If you want Texas in a ND-type deal, Texas keeps the LHN the same way ND keeps its NBC deal. Even if the payout from the ACC matched the payout from the B12 + LHN, the LHN is better for Texas. It is a UT branded network.

...and unlike the Big XII, which (understandably) fights to keep conference games off of the LHN as much as possible, if Texas had a Notre Dame-type deal with the ACC, those Texas home games would ALWAYS be on the LHN. In fact, football inventory for the LHN would jump from 1 or 2 games a year now to as many as 8 or 9 games a year!

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In fact, I discuss this and 2 other reasons (scheduling in state games, academic peers) why I think Texas to the ACC may make sense in today's blog post "Reasons Texas Might Join the ACC Someday"


Read your blog post ...

Totally agree with all points. I think just having the possibility that Texas could be the 16th team is why the ACC will stand pat on any other options.

I also wonder .... would the ACCN and the LHN share some programming? Like the morning show for the ACCN ... could that become standard for the LHN? I have no idea what the LHN shows in that slot -- just thinking out loud. But sharing some of the produced non-game parts of the ACCN with the LHN could be a way for ESPN to shave some expense with both networks in their family.


Now ... I also think it is a long shot that Texas ever leaves the Big XII. I think they like where they are, and are happy with it as long as it stays this way. So for me ... the wild card is Oklahoma. If the Sooners bolt ... then watch out ... Texas to the ACC could become a very strong possibility.
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RE: A hypothetical hard bargain for Cincinnati
(07-02-2019 04:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-02-2019 08:55 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  
(07-01-2019 09:31 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-01-2019 11:40 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 09:29 PM)esayem Wrote:  I’m prettttyy sure Ohio State didn’t suffer AT ALL during the time Cincinnati was in a BCS conference, so that argument is a big fail.

A wise strategy would be to NOT increase competition for Pitt and Louisville on the recruiting trail by promoting another school in their general region.

This isn’t rocket science, we don’t need teams rejected by the Big XII eating our pie without bringing any more to the round table! C’mon man!

Well... there you go again.

If the B12 hadn't added 1 second to their championship game in 2009 so that Texas could win, that would have been UC playing Alabama in the BCS title game.

You don't think O$U wasn't sweating that out?

We only had seven years in a BCS conference and went from nothing to practically the top. Just think what we could accomplish if we could ever get a chance to be in a good place for a long time.

Heck, our football program might even get to be as good as... North Carolina's.

Good lawd, that would have been ugly! Especially considering how UF exposed Cincinnati to the world 51-24.

Look man, I’ve complemented your school before, I don’t have an axe to grind. My only agenda is that the ACC doesn’t need your school whatsoever. Sorry, nothing personal, all business. And logic. Business and logic.

* Also, you guys had a coach that has gone on to be successful at Notre Dame for like 10 years. I don’t think the success was just because you were in a BCS conference. You had Kelly, who is an elite coach.

Hmm...

You are concerned with Pitt and Louisville's recruiting area being crowded, yet there are three schools all sitting on each other's laps in the Raleigh-Durham area. That's logical.

You rag on us for losing to Tim Tebow's swansong Florida team by 27 after our coach abandoned us yet somehow forget that Ohio St. lost to Florida as well two years earlier... by 27. But they're legit and we got exposed. That's logical.

I think Louisville would LOVE to have their true rival back in their conference. That IS logical.

OK, you don't want us in. Fine.

But please forgive us for the red a$$ when we hear that we don't belong...somewhere... because we do.

Yes there are 3 schools in the triangle and I’m pretty sure Duke and NC State don’t have anyone on their same recruiting sheets. Anyway, that doesn’t even matter though, the point is those three schools have been in the conference for 50+ years. Totally different situation than consciously adding a school in this climate.*

So what Ohio State got torched by Chris Leak? They moved on, your team did not after they lost their coach. What are you saying here? Your team is an equal to Ohio State? If your conference adds Marshall you’ll be more like the MAC than the Big Ten.

Louisville would love to play their true rival, UK, during rivalry week. Guess what, the ACC membership made that happen. Louisville hasn’t gone out of their way to schedule you guys because that rivalry was always a marriage of convenience. Same with Louisville vs. Memphis.

Cincinnati does not belong in the ACC. Maybe you can get into the Big XII, but I’d rank you behind BYU and Houston. Good luck.



*This matters much less at the G5 level.

You do realize that it took an act of the state legislature to make UK play Louisville every year, right?

And yeah, I'm saying we on our way to getting to the level of O$U and others until our conference got blown up. Who knows where the UC's and Houstons of the world could be if they never got any knives in the back.

I can say for sure that UC wouldn't be in the same advantageous conference for 50+ years and accomplish absolutely nothing.
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RE: A hypothetical hard bargain for Cincinnati
Your school was almost demoted to 1-AA in the 80’s, please stop.

UCF is dominating your current conference, why isn’t Cincinnati? What’s the excuse there?
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RE: A hypothetical hard bargain for Cincinnati
(07-03-2019 08:29 AM)esayem Wrote:  Your school was almost demoted to 1-AA in the 80’s, please stop.

UCF is dominating your current conference, why isn’t Cincinnati? What’s the excuse there?

I would love to be able to add Cincinnati to the ACC, but as esayem is alluding to here, there are some things UC needs to do FIRST:
- win the AAC championship on a regular basis.
- fill up your stadium on home games, regardless of the opponent.
- stay within striking distance in terms of facilities
- get as close to the ACC average as possible in terms of academics.
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RE: A hypothetical hard bargain for Cincinnati
(07-02-2019 04:10 PM)Statefan Wrote:  If you did not commit to big time football by the mid 1980's you missed the cut.

Pure and simple.

Louisville was the school to make that commitment in time. Prior to them would be Florida State. It's difficult to put Arizona, ASU, and Utah into proper perspective considering they were in the Rockies.

ECU made the commitment before UConn.
Cincy was wishy washy for decades.

Oh no, doomed forever because someone thinks Cincy was wishy-washy a few decades ago. If Cincy continues to post strong winning seasons in spite of coaching changes and its relatively low budget, if it can consistently win regular-season and bowl games against P5 opponents (even lesser ones), it'll eventually get a call to the big leagues. Who knows, we might even score a bowl game against NC State one of these years, an opportunity to reprise our performance in our last meeting (2011).

Remember, half the members of every P5 conference are, by definition, below average, and every conference has its fair share of perennial bottom-feeders. Cincy is better than many of them.
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RE: A hypothetical hard bargain for Cincinnati
(07-03-2019 08:47 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-03-2019 08:29 AM)esayem Wrote:  Your school was almost demoted to 1-AA in the 80’s, please stop.

UCF is dominating your current conference, why isn’t Cincinnati? What’s the excuse there?

I would love to be able to add Cincinnati to the ACC, but as esayem is alluding to here, there are some things UC needs to do FIRST:
- win the AAC championship on a regular basis.
- fill up your stadium on home games, regardless of the opponent.
- stay within striking distance in terms of facilities
- get as close to the ACC average as possible in terms of academics.

Cincy Fans: We would be a great addition to the AC
Posters on this board: Win more and get your attendance up.

Also Posters on this board: Rice and Tulane would be a great add.
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RE: A hypothetical hard bargain for Cincinnati
(07-03-2019 09:54 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-03-2019 08:47 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-03-2019 08:29 AM)esayem Wrote:  Your school was almost demoted to 1-AA in the 80’s, please stop.

UCF is dominating your current conference, why isn’t Cincinnati? What’s the excuse there?

I would love to be able to add Cincinnati to the ACC, but as esayem is alluding to here, there are some things UC needs to do FIRST:
- win the AAC championship on a regular basis.
- fill up your stadium on home games, regardless of the opponent.
- stay within striking distance in terms of facilities
- get as close to the ACC average as possible in terms of academics.

Cincy Fans: We would be a great addition to the AC
Posters on this board: Win more and get your attendance up.

Also Posters on this board: Rice and Tulane would be a great add.

The fact is Wake Forest draws as well as UC, and more to the point Louisville was drawing much better before they got the invite (remember, you have to dress for the job you WANT, not the one you have!)

I've read the Rice and Tulane posts - let's just say I don't agree with them.
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RE: A hypothetical hard bargain for Cincinnati
(07-03-2019 09:54 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(07-03-2019 08:47 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-03-2019 08:29 AM)esayem Wrote:  Your school was almost demoted to 1-AA in the 80’s, please stop.

UCF is dominating your current conference, why isn’t Cincinnati? What’s the excuse there?

I would love to be able to add Cincinnati to the ACC, but as esayem is alluding to here, there are some things UC needs to do FIRST:
- win the AAC championship on a regular basis.
- fill up your stadium on home games, regardless of the opponent.
- stay within striking distance in terms of facilities
- get as close to the ACC average as possible in terms of academics.

Cincy Fans: We would be a great addition to the AC
Posters on this board: Win more and get your attendance up.

Also Posters on this board: Rice and Tulane would be a great add.

Its ok for you Cinci guys to state your case here. But when you start to take shots over here, I would suggest that you either get some thicker skin or don't read this board. Otherwise you will find yourself not able to post. No more warnings.
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RE: A hypothetical hard bargain for Cincinnati
Let's be realistic, the ACC has no need to expand with any school. It doesn't make sense. The network is about to launch and the landscape has settled.
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RE: A hypothetical hard bargain for Cincinnati
(07-03-2019 12:59 PM)esayem Wrote:  Let's be realistic, the ACC has no need to expand with any school. It doesn't make sense. The network is about to launch and the landscape has settled.


Yeah ... agreed.

The only way you do it, is if you can add the flagship school in the second most populous state (and rapidly growing) in the nation ... even partially. That would work financially.

Nothing changes for quite a while.
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RE: A hypothetical hard bargain for Cincinnati
(07-03-2019 01:58 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(07-03-2019 12:59 PM)esayem Wrote:  Let's be realistic, the ACC has no need to expand with any school. It doesn't make sense. The network is about to launch and the landscape has settled.


Yeah ... agreed.

The only way you do it, is if you can add the flagship school in the second most populous state (and rapidly growing) in the nation ... even partially. That would work financially.

Nothing changes for quite a while.

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RE: A hypothetical hard bargain for Cincinnati
Unfortunately Cincinnati most likely won't make it.
The expansion board which grew out of the Big East board at one time was chocked full of Memphis folks trying to elbow the Tigers into the last spot of the dying BE. When the conference failed, the chances of Memphis becoming a P school faded.
Likewise when the ACC tagged Louisville and the Big 12 picked up TCU to go along with West Virginia instead of Cincinnati, the last spots on the P train may have pulled out of the station.
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