(06-24-2019 04:42 PM)RocketGrad88 Wrote:  Has Marshall benefited by leaving the MAC for Conference USA?

It did for Central Florida and Temple!!!!!!

(I'm back!!!!!!!!!!)

LET'S FINALLY GET OUT OF THE I-AA MAC!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(06-24-2019 04:42 PM)RocketGrad88 Wrote:  Has Marshall benefited by leaving the MAC for Conference USA?

Yes, they don't have to get beat by the Rockets.

(06-24-2019 04:57 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 04:42 PM)RocketGrad88 Wrote:  Has Marshall benefited by leaving the MAC for Conference USA?

Yes, they don't have to get beat by the Rockets.

I miss Marsha/Marsha/Marsha !!

I mean I think we would jump if asked, but we won't be asked. If we were? Their board would melt down with the acception of UC. And even they probably think they are 10x the school and athletics we are. Tulsa doesn't make much sense besides their basketball is decent and they have good academics. I don't see anyone else we beat out. BYU and Army are the choices. Maybe CSU, App and UB after them.

(06-24-2019 05:54 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I mean I think we would jump if asked, but we won't be asked. If we were? Their board would melt down with the acception of UC. And even they probably think they are 10x the school and athletics we are. Tulsa doesn't make much sense besides their basketball is decent and they have good academics. I don't see anyone else we beat out. BYU and Army are the choices. Maybe CSU, App and UB after them.

BTW, App St BB was 11-21 in 2018-19.

I'm not convinced that attendance would rise, or would rise enough to generate the revenue necessary to compete with the way the AAC schools spend money. I'm not convinced the average UT fan cares any more about playing SMU, UCF, East Carolina or USF than OU, BGSU or NIU. Plus, most fans will never be able to attend any road games. Even Cinci is pretty far for some, but two teams in Texas and 2 in FLA ... that will turn off some fans, especially of the non-revenue sports.

The lowest spending AAC team spent $40M on sports in 2017, and the average school $54M. The highest MAC school spent $37M, and UT spent $29M - and large chucks of those are funded through student fees or subsidies. UConn reportedly was running a athletics deficit in the neighborhood of $40M per year - way more than UT's total budget.

(06-24-2019 06:16 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 05:54 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I mean I think we would jump if asked, but we won't be asked. If we were? Their board would melt down with the acception of UC. And even they probably think they are 10x the school and athletics we are. Tulsa doesn't make much sense besides their basketball is decent and they have good academics. I don't see anyone else we beat out. BYU and Army are the choices. Maybe CSU, App and UB after them.

BTW, App St BB was 11-21 in 2018-19.

I'm not saying they will be realistically considered, just as I doubt UB will. But from their fans, that move sounds doable seeing how successful they have been in just 3 years of FBS football. They are the only school on the Mountain and their fans are die hards. Won bowl games each year since being up? Pretty good. ODU is a candidate according to the P6ers too and that's basically off baseball and older mbb success.

(06-24-2019 07:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 06:16 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 05:54 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I mean I think we would jump if asked, but we won't be asked. If we were? Their board would melt down with the acception of UC. And even they probably think they are 10x the school and athletics we are. Tulsa doesn't make much sense besides their basketball is decent and they have good academics. I don't see anyone else we beat out. BYU and Army are the choices. Maybe CSU, App and UB after them.

BTW, App St BB was 11-21 in 2018-19.

I'm not saying they will be realistically considered, just as I doubt UB will. But from their fans, that move sounds doable seeing how successful they have been in just 3 years of FBS football. They are the only school on the Mountain and their fans are die hards. Won bowl games each year since being up? Pretty good. ODU is a candidate according to the P6ers too and that's basically off baseball and older mbb success.

App State doesn't offer a single PhD program. They're not really a university, which denotes research.

(06-24-2019 06:39 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  I'm not convinced that attendance would rise, or would rise enough to generate the revenue necessary to compete with the way the AAC schools spend money. I'm not convinced the average UT fan cares any more about playing SMU, UCF, East Carolina or USF than OU, BGSU or NIU. Plus, most fans will never be able to attend any road games. Even Cinci is pretty far for some, but two teams in Texas and 2 in FLA ... that will turn off some fans, especially of the non-revenue sports.

The lowest spending AAC team spent $40M on sports in 2017, and the average school $54M. The highest MAC school spent $37M, and UT spent $29M - and large chucks of those are funded through student fees or subsidies. UConn reportedly was running a athletics deficit in the neighborhood of $40M per year - way more than UT's total budget.

General revenue would increase by roughly $11M/year, meaning if you simply spend the difference, the expenses would be right about $40M...UConn's deficit was due to irresponsible spending, most of the departments are running next to no deficit and pulling a smaller subsidy than what UT takes per year as a percentage of revenue.

(06-24-2019 09:13 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 06:39 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  I'm not convinced that attendance would rise, or would rise enough to generate the revenue necessary to compete with the way the AAC schools spend money. I'm not convinced the average UT fan cares any more about playing SMU, UCF, East Carolina or USF than OU, BGSU or NIU. Plus, most fans will never be able to attend any road games. Even Cinci is pretty far for some, but two teams in Texas and 2 in FLA ... that will turn off some fans, especially of the non-revenue sports.

The lowest spending AAC team spent $40M on sports in 2017, and the average school $54M. The highest MAC school spent $37M, and UT spent $29M - and large chucks of those are funded through student fees or subsidies. UConn reportedly was running a athletics deficit in the neighborhood of $40M per year - way more than UT's total budget.

General revenue would increase by roughly $11M/year, meaning if you simply spend the difference, the expenses would be right about $40M...UConn's deficit was due to irresponsible spending, most of the departments are running next to no deficit and pulling a smaller subsidy than what UT takes per year as a percentage of revenue.

I doubt many Marshall fans take road trips for their Conference USA road games. Distance from Huntington, WV to:

Charlotte, 317 miles
Florida International (Miami, FL) 1,044 miles
Florida Atlantic (Boca Raton, FL) 1,006 miles
Louisiana Tech (Ruston, LA), 872 miles
Middle Tennessee (Murfreesboro, TN), 371 miles
North Texas (Denton, TX), 1,036 miles
Old Dominion (Norfolk, VA), 461 miles
Rice (Houston, TX), 1,116 miles
Southern Miss (Hattiesburg, MS), 761 miles
UAB (Birmingham, AL), 531 miles
UTEP (El Paso, TX), 1,635 miles
UTSA (San Antonio, TX) 1,274 miles
Western Kentucky (Bowling Green, KY), 286 miles

(06-24-2019 09:57 PM)RocketGrad88 Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 09:13 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 06:39 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  I'm not convinced that attendance would rise, or would rise enough to generate the revenue necessary to compete with the way the AAC schools spend money. I'm not convinced the average UT fan cares any more about playing SMU, UCF, East Carolina or USF than OU, BGSU or NIU. Plus, most fans will never be able to attend any road games. Even Cinci is pretty far for some, but two teams in Texas and 2 in FLA ... that will turn off some fans, especially of the non-revenue sports.

The lowest spending AAC team spent $40M on sports in 2017, and the average school $54M. The highest MAC school spent $37M, and UT spent $29M - and large chucks of those are funded through student fees or subsidies. UConn reportedly was running a athletics deficit in the neighborhood of $40M per year - way more than UT's total budget.

General revenue would increase by roughly $11M/year, meaning if you simply spend the difference, the expenses would be right about $40M...UConn's deficit was due to irresponsible spending, most of the departments are running next to no deficit and pulling a smaller subsidy than what UT takes per year as a percentage of revenue.

I doubt many Marshall fans take road trips for their Conference USA road games. Distance from Huntington, WV to:

Charlotte, 317 miles
Florida International (Miami, FL) 1,044 miles
Florida Atlantic (Boca Raton, FL) 1,006 miles
Louisiana Tech (Ruston, LA), 872 miles
Middle Tennessee (Murfreesboro, TN), 371 miles
North Texas (Denton, TX), 1,036 miles
Old Dominion (Norfolk, VA), 461 miles
Rice (Houston, TX), 1,116 miles
Southern Miss (Hattiesburg, MS), 761 miles
UAB (Birmingham, AL), 531 miles
UTEP (El Paso, TX), 1,635 miles
UTSA (San Antonio, TX) 1,274 miles
Western Kentucky (Bowling Green, KY), 286 miles

Other than OSU and MACC, I've never gone on the road in the MAC. But it's nice to know that I could. Either way, we would probably go onto a MAC school's OOC.

(06-24-2019 09:13 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 06:39 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  I'm not convinced that attendance would rise, or would rise enough to generate the revenue necessary to compete with the way the AAC schools spend money. I'm not convinced the average UT fan cares any more about playing SMU, UCF, East Carolina or USF than OU, BGSU or NIU. Plus, most fans will never be able to attend any road games. Even Cinci is pretty far for some, but two teams in Texas and 2 in FLA ... that will turn off some fans, especially of the non-revenue sports.

The lowest spending AAC team spent $40M on sports in 2017, and the average school $54M. The highest MAC school spent $37M, and UT spent $29M - and large chucks of those are funded through student fees or subsidies. UConn reportedly was running a athletics deficit in the neighborhood of $40M per year - way more than UT's total budget.

General revenue would increase by roughly $11M/year, meaning if you simply spend the difference, the expenses would be right about $40M...UConn's deficit was due to irresponsible spending, most of the departments are running next to no deficit and pulling a smaller subsidy than what UT takes per year as a percentage of revenue.

But even at $40M that would put UT on the very bottom of the conference in spending power - on par with Tulsa or ECU, neither of which are particularly successful overall. And UT would still need to be putting in all the same student fee money just to maintain that level.

Plus WBB level would actually drop in the AAC. Even with UConn in the conference AAC RPI is actually lower than the MAC. Without UConn I am guessing the conference drops a couple more slots. ESPN couldn't care less about showing any other AAC WBB teams besides UConn. I think it instantly becomes a 1-bid league without UConn.

At least the baseball and softball teams would be able to play games in February and March in decent weather in the southern states instead of freezing to death in the dugouts in Buffalo (know for tons of snow), Mt. Pleasant, and Kalamazoo (tons of lake effect snow). So an investment into those programs might be warranted. (I was opposed to it before)

Also the main difference in travel costs is plane vs. bus. Hotel and food should about same (within 10-20%).

In addition, those that complain about not being able going to away games don't travel to them anyway...……. or at least I don't see you there...………….

Besides with the move Toledo can demand 3 for 1's or even 4 for 1's from BGSUcks when the MAC drops down to FCS without Toledo's attendance number to support the conference...……

USF was a top 25 team in wbb. UConn may have something to do with it but those schools are still not as ignored as the incrementally better ones in MAC Wbb. If Houston is 21-2, then Ohio is 21-2, which team is getting ranked? Those metropolises have the upper hand, right or wrong.

(06-25-2019 06:59 AM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 09:13 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 06:39 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  I'm not convinced that attendance would rise, or would rise enough to generate the revenue necessary to compete with the way the AAC schools spend money. I'm not convinced the average UT fan cares any more about playing SMU, UCF, East Carolina or USF than OU, BGSU or NIU. Plus, most fans will never be able to attend any road games. Even Cinci is pretty far for some, but two teams in Texas and 2 in FLA ... that will turn off some fans, especially of the non-revenue sports.

The lowest spending AAC team spent $40M on sports in 2017, and the average school $54M. The highest MAC school spent $37M, and UT spent $29M - and large chucks of those are funded through student fees or subsidies. UConn reportedly was running a athletics deficit in the neighborhood of $40M per year - way more than UT's total budget.

General revenue would increase by roughly $11M/year, meaning if you simply spend the difference, the expenses would be right about $40M...UConn's deficit was due to irresponsible spending, most of the departments are running next to no deficit and pulling a smaller subsidy than what UT takes per year as a percentage of revenue.

But even at $40M that would put UT on the very bottom of the conference in spending power - on par with Tulsa or ECU, neither of which are particularly successful overall. And UT would still need to be putting in all the same student fee money just to maintain that level.

Plus WBB level would actually drop in the AAC. Even with UConn in the conference AAC RPI is actually lower than the MAC. Without UConn I am guessing the conference drops a couple more slots. ESPN couldn't care less about showing any other AAC WBB teams besides UConn. I think it instantly becomes a 1-bid league without UConn.

Wouldn't that be a good thing for a traditionally pretty good team like Toledo's WBB? Also, I think you're vastly under-estimating the abilities of a few other teams in the conference as was stated above. And if our AD is making decisions based on WBB, we should probably just close up

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...553756001/

Sounds like they stay at 11. Hard to argue

Never mind

(06-24-2019 10:38 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 10:34 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  Buffalo to the AAC and UCONN will replace Buffalo in the MAC as a football only school.

Personally, that's a terrible trade for the MAC. UConn football is an afterthought at best, and they basically forced UMass to do the opposite a few years ago...so I doubt member institutions would allow it now.

I didn't mean it as in that is what I would want to see or that any fans in the MAC would want it. That's just my prediction.

(06-25-2019 10:02 AM)indianasniff Wrote:  https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...553756001/

Sounds like they stay at 11. Hard to argue

Never mind

I've seen conflicting reports saying that "insiders" have told them the AAC is likely to pursue a 12 member. So who knows? We'll eventually find out what they decide to do.

"it's hard to find a match that could provide enough prestige, ticket sales, marketing and, most importantly, ESPN viewers and subscribers to make sense. "

Sounds like UT would not be in the mix to be considered given those "factors"

(06-25-2019 11:56 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  "it's hard to find a match that could provide enough prestige, ticket sales, marketing and, most importantly, ESPN viewers and subscribers to make sense. "

Sounds like UT would not be in the mix to be considered given those "factors"

Yet the Rockets are probably better than half of the AAC.