(07-31-2019 10:46 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 10:21 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 09:32 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 09:17 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  all of them.

That's objective.

The thing is. You have to get invited to an FBS league. The rest of us can just form an FBS league. So the starting point won't be JMU.

My point being there will be a lot of politics involved. Everyone wants schools close to them to be included. Many want FL teams included. Some are more basketball oriented. Will UAB choose JMU over USM or even Georgia State? Probably not. I'm not saying you wouldn't be included, just that other schools wear their own colored glasses. ODU would likely go to bat for you though.

Hey, thats not my opinion but the objective opinion of the aac on their visit to JMU. not my words, theirs, " we are blown away" "you are ahead of many of our current members and only lack a basketball arena." Well, the hoops arean opens next year and will be one of the nicest in the country.

take away proximity and rivalries, what school is better positioned and has a higher ceiling than us?

hey, we are on your side and all want the same thing. a regional conference with local rivalries. I would love to get back to playing odu. Until then, The Dukes will just sit back and rack up National Championships, ESPN games and Game Day appearances until the G5 gets their sh!+ together.

Yep, and while JMU thrives ODU fans will wallow about hoping they can eek out 6 wins to make some toilet bowl in their FCS-sized stadium. It’s sad really that ODU fans feel compelled to post blarney on the JMU board to bolster their fragile egos. Again, it must be tough being categorized as the lesser of not only VCU, but JMU by the General Assembly.

I'm just here to call you out on your blarney. Are you planning on challenging my assertion that JMU athletic spending is the opposite of prudent?


edit:
Also called you out on you misinformation regarding luxury seating at BFS and Foreman. So feel free to respond to that as well.

Or just admit that you spin lies in your echo chamber here to make yourself feel better and I'll leave.

(07-31-2019 10:51 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 10:46 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 10:21 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 09:32 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 09:17 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  all of them.

That's objective.

The thing is. You have to get invited to an FBS league. The rest of us can just form an FBS league. So the starting point won't be JMU.

My point being there will be a lot of politics involved. Everyone wants schools close to them to be included. Many want FL teams included. Some are more basketball oriented. Will UAB choose JMU over USM or even Georgia State? Probably not. I'm not saying you wouldn't be included, just that other schools wear their own colored glasses. ODU would likely go to bat for you though.

Hey, thats not my opinion but the objective opinion of the aac on their visit to JMU. not my words, theirs, " we are blown away" "you are ahead of many of our current members and only lack a basketball arena." Well, the hoops arean opens next year and will be one of the nicest in the country.

take away proximity and rivalries, what school is better positioned and has a higher ceiling than us?

hey, we are on your side and all want the same thing. a regional conference with local rivalries. I would love to get back to playing odu. Until then, The Dukes will just sit back and rack up National Championships, ESPN games and Game Day appearances until the G5 gets their sh!+ together.

Yep, and while JMU thrives ODU fans will wallow about hoping they can eek out 6 wins to make some toilet bowl in their FCS-sized stadium. It’s sad really that ODU fans feel compelled to post blarney on the JMU board to bolster their fragile egos. Again, it must be tough being categorized as the lesser of not only VCU, but JMU by the General Assembly.

I'm just here to call you out on your blarney. Are you planning on challenging my assertion that JMU athletic spending is the opposite of prudent?

You are the gift that keeps on giving. How old are you? My guess is under 20. Just a youth that’s easily triggered (and who can’t stand the fact they’re tied to a mediocre FB team and university).

(07-31-2019 10:55 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 10:51 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 10:46 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 10:21 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 09:32 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  That's objective.

The thing is. You have to get invited to an FBS league. The rest of us can just form an FBS league. So the starting point won't be JMU.

My point being there will be a lot of politics involved. Everyone wants schools close to them to be included. Many want FL teams included. Some are more basketball oriented. Will UAB choose JMU over USM or even Georgia State? Probably not. I'm not saying you wouldn't be included, just that other schools wear their own colored glasses. ODU would likely go to bat for you though.

Hey, thats not my opinion but the objective opinion of the aac on their visit to JMU. not my words, theirs, " we are blown away" "you are ahead of many of our current members and only lack a basketball arena." Well, the hoops arean opens next year and will be one of the nicest in the country.

take away proximity and rivalries, what school is better positioned and has a higher ceiling than us?

hey, we are on your side and all want the same thing. a regional conference with local rivalries. I would love to get back to playing odu. Until then, The Dukes will just sit back and rack up National Championships, ESPN games and Game Day appearances until the G5 gets their sh!+ together.

Yep, and while JMU thrives ODU fans will wallow about hoping they can eek out 6 wins to make some toilet bowl in their FCS-sized stadium. It’s sad really that ODU fans feel compelled to post blarney on the JMU board to bolster their fragile egos. Again, it must be tough being categorized as the lesser of not only VCU, but JMU by the General Assembly.

I'm just here to call you out on your blarney. Are you planning on challenging my assertion that JMU athletic spending is the opposite of prudent?

You are the gift that keeps on giving. How old are you? My guess is under 20. Just a youth that’s easily triggered (and who can’t stand the fact they’re tied to a mediocre FB team and university).

So your admitting that there's no facts to back up any of your claims? I'm old enough to recognize a low information blowhards like yourself that's get's high on his own opinion.

Just answer my questions or admit your wrong.

You referenced these reports. Defend them.

http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/OldD...AA2018.pdf

http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/Jame...AA2018.pdf

(07-31-2019 10:43 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 10:21 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 09:32 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 09:17 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  all of them.

That's objective.

The thing is. You have to get invited to an FBS league. The rest of us can just form an FBS league. So the starting point won't be JMU.

My point being there will be a lot of politics involved. Everyone wants schools close to them to be included. Many want FL teams included. Some are more basketball oriented. Will UAB choose JMU over USM or even Georgia State? Probably not. I'm not saying you wouldn't be included, just that other schools wear their own colored glasses. ODU would likely go to bat for you though.

Hey, thats not my opinion but the objective opinion of the aac on their visit to JMU. not my words, theirs, " we are blown away" "you are ahead of many of our current members and only lack a basketball arena." Well, the hoops arean opens next year and will be one of the nicest in the country.

take away proximity and rivalries, what school is better positioned and has a higher ceiling than us?

hey, we are on your side and all want the same thing. a regional conference with local rivalries. I would love to get back to playing odu. Until then, The Dukes will just sit back and rack up National Championships, ESPN games and Game Day appearances until the G5 gets their sh!+ together.

Oh yeah? Which AAC official made those quotes? When did the visit occur? I don't see JMU as heads and shoulders above most of the schools in CUSA or SB. But then again I don't wear purple glasses.

yes you do. i am not in the making up stories biz. what you think doesnt matter, those that matter, know what matters.

Couldn’t y’all just go FBS Indy? Plenty of Independent schools need games so it wouldn’t be that hard. FB isn’t really a money making sports for non P5 schools. So if money is going to be lost might as well play other FBS schools all season. I bet it would be way easier to get into a preferred FBS conference this way too. Not having a transition period would be a plus.

(07-31-2019 11:00 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 10:55 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 10:51 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 10:46 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 10:21 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  Hey, thats not my opinion but the objective opinion of the aac on their visit to JMU. not my words, theirs, " we are blown away" "you are ahead of many of our current members and only lack a basketball arena." Well, the hoops arean opens next year and will be one of the nicest in the country.

take away proximity and rivalries, what school is better positioned and has a higher ceiling than us?

hey, we are on your side and all want the same thing. a regional conference with local rivalries. I would love to get back to playing odu. Until then, The Dukes will just sit back and rack up National Championships, ESPN games and Game Day appearances until the G5 gets their sh!+ together.

Yep, and while JMU thrives ODU fans will wallow about hoping they can eek out 6 wins to make some toilet bowl in their FCS-sized stadium. It’s sad really that ODU fans feel compelled to post blarney on the JMU board to bolster their fragile egos. Again, it must be tough being categorized as the lesser of not only VCU, but JMU by the General Assembly.

I'm just here to call you out on your blarney. Are you planning on challenging my assertion that JMU athletic spending is the opposite of prudent?

You are the gift that keeps on giving. How old are you? My guess is under 20. Just a youth that’s easily triggered (and who can’t stand the fact they’re tied to a mediocre FB team and university).

So your admitting that there's no facts to back up any of your claims? I'm old enough to recognize a low information blowhards like yourself that's get's high on his own opinion.

Just answer my questions or admit your wrong.

You referenced these reports. Defend them.

http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/OldD...AA2018.pdf

http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/Jame...AA2018.pdf

Your original question was answered (“why is JMU financing prudent”?), and you got owned. You didn’t like the implications of the truthful answer I provided because it exposes ODU as institutionally immature when it comes to financial management.

Bottom line, as of this moment ODU isn’t trusted to manage its own finances, and JMU is. That incontrovertible fact blows up your entire little tantrum about JMU’s prudence about how it pays for D1 varsity sports.

You should be asking your administration why ODU isn’t trusted to manage its own finances like UVA, VT, W&M, VCU and JMU. Could it be ODU has bitten off more than it can chew in an ego driven rush to jump to FBS FB and sustain the higher costs of FBS FB? Or maybe it’s ODU’s continued trend of low graduation rates, and inability to make projected incoming enrollment targets? Just last year ODU athletics had to adjust budgets downward by some $800k because of lower enrollments. Perhaps it’s just best to say there is a lack of financial prudence on the part of ODU administrators, and worry less about how JMU spends its money.

You can fuss all you want on this message board about how JMU pays for its D1 varsity teams, after all, it’s a free site. People on this site do read the comments you post on ODU’s site, however, so your true intentions in trying to stir the pot aren’t exactly a well-kept secret. You’re an ODU homer (which is fine when your flights of fancy are restricted to your own board). On this site, however, you might want to limit how you share what you’re thinking so as to not to embarrass yourself or other ODU fans.

(07-31-2019 12:30 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Couldn’t y’all just go FBS Indy? Plenty of Independent schools need games so it wouldn’t be that hard. FB isn’t really a money making sports for non P5 schools. So if money is going to be lost might as well play other FBS schools all season. I bet it would be way easier to get into a preferred FBS conference this way too. Not having a transition period would be a plus.

Some very good points! Airborne!

(07-31-2019 12:30 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Couldn’t y’all just go FBS Indy? Plenty of Independent schools need games so it wouldn’t be that hard. FB isn’t really a money making sports for non P5 schools. So if money is going to be lost might as well play other FBS schools all season. I bet it would be way easier to get into a preferred FBS conference this way too. Not having a transition period would be a plus.

It is my understanding (based on sources quoted in articles) that the NCAA gave Liberty a waiver to move up to avoid a potential lengthy (read: expensive) legal battle, as well as potential challenges to their FBS club rules. I am not sure that JMU has the resources or the stomach to do something like that, since they don't have the deep pockets of Liberty.

(07-31-2019 03:05 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 12:30 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Couldn’t y’all just go FBS Indy? Plenty of Independent schools need games so it wouldn’t be that hard. FB isn’t really a money making sports for non P5 schools. So if money is going to be lost might as well play other FBS schools all season. I bet it would be way easier to get into a preferred FBS conference this way too. Not having a transition period would be a plus.

It is my understanding (based on sources quoted in articles) that the NCAA gave Liberty a waiver to move up to avoid a potential lengthy (read: expensive) legal battle, as well as potential challenges to their FBS club rules. I am not sure that JMU has the resources or the stomach to do something like that, since they don't have the deep pockets of Liberty.

Nah, precedent is set. No need to threaten legal action. The issue with JMU going Indy for FB is our current leaders are on-record saying they don’t view that as feasible. I’m not sure if I’d like our total schedule as an Indy, but I’d support it as I think it raises our FB program’s ceiling. It’s also a fairly small move as it relates to the rest of our athletics department because they could all stay in our beloved CAA.

(07-31-2019 03:05 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 12:30 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Couldn’t y’all just go FBS Indy? Plenty of Independent schools need games so it wouldn’t be that hard. FB isn’t really a money making sports for non P5 schools. So if money is going to be lost might as well play other FBS schools all season. I bet it would be way easier to get into a preferred FBS conference this way too. Not having a transition period would be a plus.

It is my understanding (based on sources quoted in articles) that the NCAA gave Liberty a waiver to move up to avoid a potential lengthy (read: expensive) legal battle, as well as potential challenges to their FBS club rules. I am not sure that JMU has the resources or the stomach to do something like that, since they don't have the deep pockets of Liberty.

Now that Liberty has set a precedent, I think it would be hard for the NCAA to deny a school like JMU that clearly meets FBS criteria, more so than some existing fbs schools.

The real barrier in my mind to this is that the admin is likely more risk adverse compared to JMU in its FCS Indy days. FBS Indy is more an Uncle Ron move than something Alger would bless in my mind. I’m sure some will disagree.

(07-31-2019 02:11 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 11:00 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 10:55 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 10:51 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 10:46 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Yep, and while JMU thrives ODU fans will wallow about hoping they can eek out 6 wins to make some toilet bowl in their FCS-sized stadium. It’s sad really that ODU fans feel compelled to post blarney on the JMU board to bolster their fragile egos. Again, it must be tough being categorized as the lesser of not only VCU, but JMU by the General Assembly.

I'm just here to call you out on your blarney. Are you planning on challenging my assertion that JMU athletic spending is the opposite of prudent?

You are the gift that keeps on giving. How old are you? My guess is under 20. Just a youth that’s easily triggered (and who can’t stand the fact they’re tied to a mediocre FB team and university).

So your admitting that there's no facts to back up any of your claims? I'm old enough to recognize a low information blowhards like yourself that's get's high on his own opinion.

Just answer my questions or admit your wrong.

You referenced these reports. Defend them.

http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/OldD...AA2018.pdf

http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/Jame...AA2018.pdf

Your original question was answered (“why is JMU financing prudent”?), and you got owned. You didn’t like the implications of the truthful answer I provided because it exposes ODU as institutionally immature when it comes to financial management.

Bottom line, as of this moment ODU isn’t trusted to manage its own finances, and JMU is. That incontrovertible fact blows up your entire little tantrum about JMU’s prudence about how it pays for D1 varsity sports.

You should be asking your administration why ODU isn’t trusted to manage its own finances like UVA, VT, W&M, VCU and JMU. Could it be ODU has bitten off more than it can chew in an ego driven rush to jump to FBS FB and sustain the higher costs of FBS FB? Or maybe it’s ODU’s continued trend of low graduation rates, and inability to make projected incoming enrollment targets? Just last year ODU athletics had to adjust budgets downward by some $800k because of lower enrollments. Perhaps it’s just best to say there is a lack of financial prudence on the part of ODU administrators, and worry less about how JMU spends its money.

You can fuss all you want on this message board about how JMU pays for its D1 varsity teams, after all, it’s a free site. People on this site do read the comments you post on ODU’s site, however, so your true intentions in trying to stir the pot aren’t exactly a well-kept secret. You’re an ODU homer (which is fine when your flights of fancy are restricted to your own board). On this site, however, you might want to limit how you share what you’re thinking so as to not to embarrass yourself or other ODU fans.

You were speaking specifically about the decision to not jump to FBS being financially prudent. So your final answer is that tier three autonomy rating, huh? So this would have not been possible had you jumped to FBS? And this rating (which as far as I can tell, after reading the eligibility requirements, doesn't address athletic spending or any auxiliary operation budgets at all other than you have to have a 6 year plan and maintain proper controls and a certain bond rating) is definitive proof that not joining a G5 conference in the past was the most prudent action? Sounds like a red herring to me and doesn't really address the initial question like you claim.

I don't think you're dumb but you are a blowhard. If you could point to those annual reports and show ODU's spending deficits in athletics increased with our move to CUSA you would. You can't. I can point to JMU football already spending at the level of G5 schools while having less revenues that come with playing at a higher level. I can point to the fact that our travel expenses are near identical. I can point to JMU's football deficit being several million dollars more than ODU's. That's an actual argument that addresses the question at hand.

ODU cutting it's athletic budget due to a projected decrease in enrollment (that didn't actually happen) is the definition of prudence. JMU allocating more student fees to athletics than it actually states in it's disclosure to prospective students is not.

Now you can argue the National Championship and College Gameday's and success in other sports makes it the right move. That those are intangible assets that helped the school in ways that don't show up on the athletic budget. But just looking at the bottom line, you're wrong. It was not financially prudent.

Rebuttal? And if you post about that autonomy level again then I'm going to have to ask you to explain how that relates to you decision to stay in FCS given that you are losing more money by doing so.

(07-31-2019 07:44 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 09:07 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 06:43 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(07-28-2019 05:52 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(07-28-2019 05:14 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  No offense but I trust the players that keep choosing JMU over FBS schools their coaches their families and the NFL scouts that keep bringing in JMU players more than I do you. It’s pinited to think the way you and others think.

It is often mentioned that we beat out FBS teams for recruits, take your purple glasses off, we lose way more than we win in those battles. I'm proud of the guys who choose us, they make good decisions, but we have roughly half as many players on a full ride as any FBS team, and most would choose the full ride option if offered, many of the players simply cannot afford college with only half being paid for by someone else.

With I-A giving 85 schollies, that would mean JMU would have only have 40-45 players on full ride. Where have you gotten that?

63 full schollies, can give partials so no more than 85 on any type of scholly. But schools don’t have to split it up to 85. That doesn’t mean JMU has only 40+ on full and then 40+ on partials.

I'm pretty close to a former player of the final years of MM. He told me very few Freshmen are offered full rides, they have to be something special. He was not and went to WVU his first season for that very reason then came to JMU. He said every season there is roughly half the team with somewhere from 20 to 80% of a full scholly. This only makes sense when doing the math. 63 to give to 85 players. If 43 are full scholly that only leaves 20 scholarships to be broken down for 42 other athletes.

Almost all of JMU’s signees have other offers. Most have multiple. Probably at least half have a I-A offer(s). If JMU wasn’t offering those guys (esp the ones with I-A offers), full rides, how would JMU get them to sign over other schools that were offering full rides?

That would be an good question to ask CC- how many are are full ride vs how many were on partials (I would have thought the number would be more like 50-55 full/15-25 partial)..

I know JMU can get a player with a 1A offer once in a while but I expect nowhere even close to 50%.

(07-31-2019 03:57 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 02:11 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 11:00 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 10:55 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 10:51 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  I'm just here to call you out on your blarney. Are you planning on challenging my assertion that JMU athletic spending is the opposite of prudent?

You are the gift that keeps on giving. How old are you? My guess is under 20. Just a youth that’s easily triggered (and who can’t stand the fact they’re tied to a mediocre FB team and university).

So your admitting that there's no facts to back up any of your claims? I'm old enough to recognize a low information blowhards like yourself that's get's high on his own opinion.

Just answer my questions or admit your wrong.

You referenced these reports. Defend them.

http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/OldD...AA2018.pdf

http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/Jame...AA2018.pdf

Your original question was answered (“why is JMU financing prudent”?), and you got owned. You didn’t like the implications of the truthful answer I provided because it exposes ODU as institutionally immature when it comes to financial management.

Bottom line, as of this moment ODU isn’t trusted to manage its own finances, and JMU is. That incontrovertible fact blows up your entire little tantrum about JMU’s prudence about how it pays for D1 varsity sports.

You should be asking your administration why ODU isn’t trusted to manage its own finances like UVA, VT, W&M, VCU and JMU. Could it be ODU has bitten off more than it can chew in an ego driven rush to jump to FBS FB and sustain the higher costs of FBS FB? Or maybe it’s ODU’s continued trend of low graduation rates, and inability to make projected incoming enrollment targets? Just last year ODU athletics had to adjust budgets downward by some $800k because of lower enrollments. Perhaps it’s just best to say there is a lack of financial prudence on the part of ODU administrators, and worry less about how JMU spends its money.

You can fuss all you want on this message board about how JMU pays for its D1 varsity teams, after all, it’s a free site. People on this site do read the comments you post on ODU’s site, however, so your true intentions in trying to stir the pot aren’t exactly a well-kept secret. You’re an ODU homer (which is fine when your flights of fancy are restricted to your own board). On this site, however, you might want to limit how you share what you’re thinking so as to not to embarrass yourself or other ODU fans.

You were speaking specifically about the decision to not jump to FBS being financially prudent. So your final answer is that tier three autonomy rating, huh? So this would have not been possible had you jumped to FBS? And this rating (which as far as I can tell, after reading the eligibility requirements, doesn't address athletic spending or any auxiliary operation budgets at all other than you have to have a 6 year plan and maintain proper controls and a certain bond rating) is definitive proof that not joining a G5 conference in the past was the most prudent action? Sounds like a red herring to me and doesn't really address the initial question like you claim.

I don't think you're dumb but you are a blowhard. If you could point to those annual reports and show ODU's spending deficits in athletics increased with our move to CUSA you would. You can't. I can point to JMU football already spending at the level of G5 schools while having less revenues that come with playing at a higher level. I can point to the fact that our travel expenses are near identical. I can point to JMU's football deficit being several million dollars more than ODU's. That's an actual argument that addresses the question at hand.

ODU cutting it's athletic budget due to a projected decrease in enrollment (that didn't actually happen) is the definition of prudence. JMU allocating more student fees to athletics than it actually states in it's disclosure to prospective students is not.

Now you can argue the National Championship and College Gameday's and success in other sports makes it the right move. That those are intangible assets that helped the school in ways that don't show up on the athletic budget. But just looking at the bottom line, you're wrong. It was not financially prudent.

Rebuttal? And if you post about that autonomy level again then I'm going to have to ask you to explain how that relates to you decision to stay in FCS given that you are losing more money by doing so.

Look up the definition of the word prudent. I’m assuming they taught you how to read and use a dictionary at ODU.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prudence

(07-31-2019 04:04 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 07:44 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 09:07 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 06:43 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(07-28-2019 05:52 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  It is often mentioned that we beat out FBS teams for recruits, take your purple glasses off, we lose way more than we win in those battles. I'm proud of the guys who choose us, they make good decisions, but we have roughly half as many players on a full ride as any FBS team, and most would choose the full ride option if offered, many of the players simply cannot afford college with only half being paid for by someone else.

With I-A giving 85 schollies, that would mean JMU would have only have 40-45 players on full ride. Where have you gotten that?

63 full schollies, can give partials so no more than 85 on any type of scholly. But schools don’t have to split it up to 85. That doesn’t mean JMU has only 40+ on full and then 40+ on partials.

I'm pretty close to a former player of the final years of MM. He told me very few Freshmen are offered full rides, they have to be something special. He was not and went to WVU his first season for that very reason then came to JMU. He said every season there is roughly half the team with somewhere from 20 to 80% of a full scholly. This only makes sense when doing the math. 63 to give to 85 players. If 43 are full scholly that only leaves 20 scholarships to be broken down for 42 other athletes.

Almost all of JMU’s signees have other offers. Most have multiple. Probably at least half have a I-A offer(s). If JMU wasn’t offering those guys (esp the ones with I-A offers), full rides, how would JMU get them to sign over other schools that were offering full rides?

That would be an good question to ask CC- how many are are full ride vs how many were on partials (I would have thought the number would be more like 50-55 full/15-25 partial)..

I know JMU can get a player with a 1A offer once in a while but I expect nowhere even close to 50%.

I think you would be correct in the Mickey days, but Withers and Houston really stepped things up. The FBS offers are there. Now P5 offers are much more rare, though we have a few (4).

Only looked up our last class, but most had a couple of FBS offers ( not just interest). Based on the press release after the two signing periods. https://jmusports.com/news/2019/2/5/foot...ay-19.aspx
It also doesn't include the 3 FBS transfers (2 of them P5). So out of 16 inked, all but 2 had at least 1 FBS offer

Julio Amayel: Army, Kentucky
Hunter Bullock: Army, Charlotte, GA St., ODU
Kevin Curry: None
Dorian Davis (left team already): Army, Kent St., Liberty
Austin Douglas: Arkansas St, GA St.
Julien Green:UVA
CJ Jackson: Army, Air Force, ECU, Purdue, ODU, Navy, Marshall, Kent St
Sean Johns: Buffalo, Charlotte, Kent St., Marshall
Carlo Jones: None
Taurus Jones: App St., Charlotte, ODU
Tanner Morris: Army, Charlotte, Navy
Latrelle Palmer: Army, Air Force, Navy
Jordan White: Army, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Kentucky

(08-01-2019 10:52 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 04:04 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 07:44 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 09:07 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 06:43 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  With I-A giving 85 schollies, that would mean JMU would have only have 40-45 players on full ride. Where have you gotten that?

63 full schollies, can give partials so no more than 85 on any type of scholly. But schools don’t have to split it up to 85. That doesn’t mean JMU has only 40+ on full and then 40+ on partials.

I'm pretty close to a former player of the final years of MM. He told me very few Freshmen are offered full rides, they have to be something special. He was not and went to WVU his first season for that very reason then came to JMU. He said every season there is roughly half the team with somewhere from 20 to 80% of a full scholly. This only makes sense when doing the math. 63 to give to 85 players. If 43 are full scholly that only leaves 20 scholarships to be broken down for 42 other athletes.

Almost all of JMU’s signees have other offers. Most have multiple. Probably at least half have a I-A offer(s). If JMU wasn’t offering those guys (esp the ones with I-A offers), full rides, how would JMU get them to sign over other schools that were offering full rides?

That would be an good question to ask CC- how many are are full ride vs how many were on partials (I would have thought the number would be more like 50-55 full/15-25 partial)..

I know JMU can get a player with a 1A offer once in a while but I expect nowhere even close to 50%.

I think you would be correct in the Mickey days, but Withers and Houston really stepped things up. The FBS offers are there. Now P5 offers are much more rare, though we have a few (4).

Only looked up our last class, but most had a couple of FBS offers ( not just interest). Based on the press release after the two signing periods. https://jmusports.com/news/2019/2/5/foot...ay-19.aspx
It also doesn't include the 3 FBS transfers (2 of them P5). So out of 16 inked, all but 2 had at least 1 FBS offer

Julio Amayel: Army, Kentucky
Hunter Bullock: Army, Charlotte, GA St., ODU
Kevin Curry: None
Dorian Davis (left team already): Army, Kent St., Liberty
Austin Douglas: Arkansas St, GA St.
Julien Green:UVA
CJ Jackson: Army, Air Force, ECU, Purdue, ODU, Navy, Marshall, Kent St
Sean Johns: Buffalo, Charlotte, Kent St., Marshall
Carlo Jones: None
Taurus Jones: App St., Charlotte, ODU
Tanner Morris: Army, Charlotte, Navy
Latrelle Palmer: Army, Air Force, Navy
Jordan White: Army, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Kentucky

8 I-A transfers (6 P5). You know all those guys are probably on full ride.

Looked at last 5 signing classes, the remaining player's offers listed on Rivals or 247 (yeah, spent some time doing this). Counted 57 players (excluding I-A transfers) on roster that remain from the last 5 signing classes (could be off by a couple).

2015: 5 remain (of 20) Robinson, Stapleton, Jahee Jackson, Holloway, Tutt. All undoubtedly full ride.
2016: 8 remain (of 20). 6 had minimum 1 G5 offer. The other 2, Mac Patrick & Daka, are returning starters
2017: 18 remain (of 25). 10 had minimum 1 G5 offer + there's the punter from down under.
2018: 13 remain (of 16). 9 had minimum 1 G5 offer.
2019: 13 signed. 11 have at least 1 I-A offer according to olddawg.

So by my count thats 52 players that either had a minimum of one I-A offer (majority were multiple), or are I-A transfers, and/or are returning starters. I would bet most (if not all) of them are on full scholly. Plus those 52 doesn't even include a few guys like Percy AO & Thurston..

Again, that would be an interesting question to ask CC- how many on full ride & how many on partial. Not sure if he would divulge that info, though.

(08-01-2019 10:52 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 04:04 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 07:44 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 09:07 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 06:43 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  With I-A giving 85 schollies, that would mean JMU would have only have 40-45 players on full ride. Where have you gotten that?

63 full schollies, can give partials so no more than 85 on any type of scholly. But schools don’t have to split it up to 85. That doesn’t mean JMU has only 40+ on full and then 40+ on partials.

I'm pretty close to a former player of the final years of MM. He told me very few Freshmen are offered full rides, they have to be something special. He was not and went to WVU his first season for that very reason then came to JMU. He said every season there is roughly half the team with somewhere from 20 to 80% of a full scholly. This only makes sense when doing the math. 63 to give to 85 players. If 43 are full scholly that only leaves 20 scholarships to be broken down for 42 other athletes.

Almost all of JMU’s signees have other offers. Most have multiple. Probably at least half have a I-A offer(s). If JMU wasn’t offering those guys (esp the ones with I-A offers), full rides, how would JMU get them to sign over other schools that were offering full rides?

That would be an good question to ask CC- how many are are full ride vs how many were on partials (I would have thought the number would be more like 50-55 full/15-25 partial)..

I know JMU can get a player with a 1A offer once in a while but I expect nowhere even close to 50%.

I think you would be correct in the Mickey days, but Withers and Houston really stepped things up. The FBS offers are there. Now P5 offers are much more rare, though we have a few (4).

Not only that, there might have been guys that 6+ years ago under MM that JMU could have gotten with less than a full ride offer, but now with ODuh, Liberty, App State, UNCC, etc to compete with who are offering some of these same caliber players full rides, JMU would likely have to offer full rides to get them. Another reason that the number on the team on full ride might be higher than when MM was here.

(08-01-2019 10:52 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 04:04 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 07:44 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 09:07 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 06:43 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  With I-A giving 85 schollies, that would mean JMU would have only have 40-45 players on full ride. Where have you gotten that?

63 full schollies, can give partials so no more than 85 on any type of scholly. But schools don’t have to split it up to 85. That doesn’t mean JMU has only 40+ on full and then 40+ on partials.

I'm pretty close to a former player of the final years of MM. He told me very few Freshmen are offered full rides, they have to be something special. He was not and went to WVU his first season for that very reason then came to JMU. He said every season there is roughly half the team with somewhere from 20 to 80% of a full scholly. This only makes sense when doing the math. 63 to give to 85 players. If 43 are full scholly that only leaves 20 scholarships to be broken down for 42 other athletes.

Almost all of JMU’s signees have other offers. Most have multiple. Probably at least half have a I-A offer(s). If JMU wasn’t offering those guys (esp the ones with I-A offers), full rides, how would JMU get them to sign over other schools that were offering full rides?

That would be an good question to ask CC- how many are are full ride vs how many were on partials (I would have thought the number would be more like 50-55 full/15-25 partial)..

I know JMU can get a player with a 1A offer once in a while but I expect nowhere even close to 50%.

I think you would be correct in the Mickey days, but Withers and Houston really stepped things up. The FBS offers are there. Now P5 offers are much more rare, though we have a few (4).

Only looked up our last class, but most had a couple of FBS offers ( not just interest). Based on the press release after the two signing periods. https://jmusports.com/news/2019/2/5/foot...ay-19.aspx
It also doesn't include the 3 FBS transfers (2 of them P5). So out of 16 inked, all but 2 had at least 1 FBS offer

Julio Amayel: Army, Kentucky
Hunter Bullock: Army, Charlotte, GA St., ODU
Kevin Curry: None
Dorian Davis (left team already): Army, Kent St., Liberty
Austin Douglas: Arkansas St, GA St.
Julien Green:UVA
CJ Jackson: Army, Air Force, ECU, Purdue, ODU, Navy, Marshall, Kent St
Sean Johns: Buffalo, Charlotte, Kent St., Marshall
Carlo Jones: None
Taurus Jones: App St., Charlotte, ODU
Tanner Morris: Army, Charlotte, Navy
Latrelle Palmer: Army, Air Force, Navy
Jordan White: Army, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Kentucky

What that tells me is that the G5 schools that moved up really haven't been able to up their game that much in the recruiting side if they are still competing with us for athletes. We're already getting players that would allow us to compete favorably at that level, so we're ready to go from a football perspective.

Also as an * I wouldn't really count Army in the same way as other D1 offers in so much as they offer everybody under the sun in hopes of filling out their ranks.