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RE: UCONN’s replacement has to be outside the box. aka different
(06-23-2019 10:21 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  
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(06-22-2019 11:24 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  And you can bet losing our biggest Tv market will affect it. UConn May end up making more money than any AAC school. Like I said, this is a smart move for UCONN.

Our biggest tv market? You are out of your frigging mind.


Name another aac market that is a couple hours between Boston & NYC. I’ll sit and watch your insults while I wait on the answer.

U Mass

UMass isn't ready yet to make that kind of jump.
Maybe they will be in time...but this is one of those instances where it would be disastrous for them to jump in now.

I agree but they would be the only Boston/NY corridor school left. I personally want Army more than anyone available. it turns what is arguably one of the greatest CF games in the country into a AAC conference game. Last game of the year and always nationally televised.
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(06-23-2019 10:08 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
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(06-23-2019 07:04 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  If we want to be seen as a P6 league...as someone to be seen seriously...we need to have 12 teams in place. The Big 12 lost out on 2 championship playoffs in the first 2 years because they did not have 12 teams.

But this isn't the case now. The NCAA allows conference championship games for those conferences with fewer than 12 teams.

While the AAC needs to be smart about the next invite, it doesn't have to be quick.

But...IIRC, the rule says you have to play a round robin schedule to have a CCG with less than 12. With 11 teams, we aren't about to play a 10-game conference schedule.

I would prefer we add nobody, b/c I seriously doubt we could get Boise or BYU (even football only), and those are the only two who move the needle, so to speak.

But I also doubt we will drop our CCG in football, so I'm thinking we're stuck with adding an all sports school that none of us will be thrilled about.

EDIT: I looked it up:

The amendment, offered by the Big Ten late last week, allows conferences with fewer than 12 members to hold championship games in football, as long as they meet one of two additional conditions: Conferences that want to play championship games must either play their championship game between division winners after round-robin competition in each division or between the top two teams in the conference standings following full round-robin, regular-season competition between all members of the conference.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/artic...-able-hold

I would hope that Aresco would at least ask for an exception to that round robin rule given the number of OOC games we would have (barring a BYU or Boise acceptance as they are only schools that move our TV ratings)
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There are no schools left who offer any value as an all-sports member. The AAC is the conference that represents the best of the leftovers after the Power 5 have taken what they want.

If the conference or the remaining members had any long term strategic vision, they would've put together the best football conference possible and never attempted a bush league hybrid approach of football only members and non-football members. That garbage didn't work in the old Big East. It didn't work in CUSA. And it's obviously not working now.

The best thing the conference could do is stick with the remaining 10 all-sports members. Tell Wichita State to add a football team or get out. Tell Navy to compete in all sports or get out. Neither one of them add enough value to be part time members. The conference should actively push the remaining 10 schools to focus the majority of their resources on football, which is the only sport that matters in college athletics. The bowl games and national championship games make the conferences a ton more money than the basketball tournament does. Football has always driven the bus and always will. Focus on making a solid conference of 10 is a heck of a lot better than a flaky conference of 14.
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(06-23-2019 10:26 AM)PATiger Wrote:  There are no schools left who offer any value as an all-sports member. The AAC is the conference that represents the best of the leftovers after the Power 5 have taken what they want.

If the conference or the remaining members had any long term strategic vision, they would've put together the best football conference possible and never attempted a bush league hybrid approach of football only members and non-football members. That garbage didn't work in the old Big East. It didn't work in CUSA. And it's obviously not working now.

The best thing the conference could do is stick with the remaining 10 all-sports members. Tell Wichita State to add a football team or get out. Tell Navy to compete in all sports or get out. Neither one of them add enough value to be part time members. The conference should actively push the remaining 10 schools to focus the majority of their resources on football, which is the only sport that matters in college athletics. The bowl games and national championship games make the conferences a ton more money than the basketball tournament does. Football has always driven the bus and always will. Focus on making a solid conference of 10 is a heck of a lot better than a flaky conference of 14.
It became less bush league when the ACC allowed ND in without football.
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(06-23-2019 10:31 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 10:26 AM)PATiger Wrote:  There are no schools left who offer any value as an all-sports member. The AAC is the conference that represents the best of the leftovers after the Power 5 have taken what they want.

If the conference or the remaining members had any long term strategic vision, they would've put together the best football conference possible and never attempted a bush league hybrid approach of football only members and non-football members. That garbage didn't work in the old Big East. It didn't work in CUSA. And it's obviously not working now.

The best thing the conference could do is stick with the remaining 10 all-sports members. Tell Wichita State to add a football team or get out. Tell Navy to compete in all sports or get out. Neither one of them add enough value to be part time members. The conference should actively push the remaining 10 schools to focus the majority of their resources on football, which is the only sport that matters in college athletics. The bowl games and national championship games make the conferences a ton more money than the basketball tournament does. Football has always driven the bus and always will. Focus on making a solid conference of 10 is a heck of a lot better than a flaky conference of 14.
It became less bush league when the ACC allowed ND in without football.

If you're comparing Notre Dame to Wichita State, you can quietly exit the conversation now.
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(06-23-2019 10:45 AM)PATiger Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 10:31 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 10:26 AM)PATiger Wrote:  There are no schools left who offer any value as an all-sports member. The AAC is the conference that represents the best of the leftovers after the Power 5 have taken what they want.

If the conference or the remaining members had any long term strategic vision, they would've put together the best football conference possible and never attempted a bush league hybrid approach of football only members and non-football members. That garbage didn't work in the old Big East. It didn't work in CUSA. And it's obviously not working now.

The best thing the conference could do is stick with the remaining 10 all-sports members. Tell Wichita State to add a football team or get out. Tell Navy to compete in all sports or get out. Neither one of them add enough value to be part time members. The conference should actively push the remaining 10 schools to focus the majority of their resources on football, which is the only sport that matters in college athletics. The bowl games and national championship games make the conferences a ton more money than the basketball tournament does. Football has always driven the bus and always will. Focus on making a solid conference of 10 is a heck of a lot better than a flaky conference of 14.
It became less bush league when the ACC allowed ND in without football.

If you're comparing Notre Dame to Wichita State, you can quietly exit the conversation now.

Ok so if we only have all sports members we can get to the same level as the SEC? Having all sports members does nothing to raise our standing nationally. Having BB or FF only members hurts us no more than the ACC having BB only members.
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(06-23-2019 10:45 AM)PATiger Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 10:31 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 10:26 AM)PATiger Wrote:  There are no schools left who offer any value as an all-sports member. The AAC is the conference that represents the best of the leftovers after the Power 5 have taken what they want.

If the conference or the remaining members had any long term strategic vision, they would've put together the best football conference possible and never attempted a bush league hybrid approach of football only members and non-football members. That garbage didn't work in the old Big East. It didn't work in CUSA. And it's obviously not working now.

The best thing the conference could do is stick with the remaining 10 all-sports members. Tell Wichita State to add a football team or get out. Tell Navy to compete in all sports or get out. Neither one of them add enough value to be part time members. The conference should actively push the remaining 10 schools to focus the majority of their resources on football, which is the only sport that matters in college athletics. The bowl games and national championship games make the conferences a ton more money than the basketball tournament does. Football has always driven the bus and always will. Focus on making a solid conference of 10 is a heck of a lot better than a flaky conference of 14.
It became less bush league when the ACC allowed ND in without football.

If you're comparing Notre Dame to Wichita State, you can quietly exit the conversation now.

you kick out Navy and Witchita State...and you've killed the conference...as you've then killed the tv deal.


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I apologize..I was harsh...everything I didn't want others to be.
I am sorry.
You can lose one school and keep the tv contract.
Kick out those 2 schools, and then we're down three schools.
We're having a hard time finding ONE school to add value to our league...then we'd be looking for two more.
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(06-23-2019 09:40 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 06:39 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  Good Lord, the beginning of the end?? How about addition by subtraction. Is we don't add anyone we are better off. We don't need UCONN to help our basketball program. We need a stronger conference to help our football team. UCONN was a complete negative in that respect. Good riddance. If we add even a decent football program this is great news.

You are all missing the big picture. Yes football drives the ship. But more than that, TV does. And we are losing our largest tv market. Replace them with Georgia State in all sports.

I think you're missing the big picture. Losing a brand name and replacing it with a team I never heard of until last year screams bush league. We just bitched about not scheduling better OOC teams because we were playing teams like "Gulp" Georgia State, and now you want to put them in our conference.

I'm guessing people in Atlanta care about two teams in the state of Georgia, and Georgia State isn't one of them.

Either we pull in someone that has a proven audience and some pedigree or just stay put.

If you want to think outside of the box, why not take UNLV? They're amazingly similar to Memphis as a university. Even though they suck right now, They were a national brand that would love to get a jump start back to where they used to be.

They have no competition like Georgia State You can fly to Vegas from
anywhere and you get to go to "Vegas"! They'll be playing in the best new stadium in all of football.

Their basketball team has a National Championship under their belt. It's still one of the fastest growing metro areas in the country. They would love to get out of the Mountain West. Who do you think they would rather attract to Vegas, people from Dallas, Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, Philadalphia, Wichita, Tulsa, New Orleans, or Laramie Wyoming?

People from all of those cities have migrated to Las Vegas. They'd be back to filling up the Thomas and Mack. Or better yet, they could play in the new arena T-Mobile on the strip.

Now that is thinking outside of the box. I say think about UNLV. That would make news for the AAC and UNLV. Much more so than Old Dominion or Buffalo.
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Stop being stupid.

Las Vegas is just as unlikely as Georgia State.
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my honest answer is stay at 11...that’s probably the most outside the box thing we could do since everyone expects us to add a team
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(06-23-2019 09:40 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 06:39 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  Good Lord, the beginning of the end?? How about addition by subtraction. Is we don't add anyone we are better off. We don't need UCONN to help our basketball program. We need a stronger conference to help our football team. UCONN was a complete negative in that respect. Good riddance. If we add even a decent football program this is great news.

You are all missing the big picture. Yes football drives the ship. But more than that, TV does. And we are losing our largest tv market. Replace them with Georgia State in all sports.

Man I've lived and worked in NYC. NOBODY watches UCONN. It's like sayng if we had UAB Birmingham would suddenly be AAC fans.
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(06-23-2019 10:45 AM)PATiger Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 10:31 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 10:26 AM)PATiger Wrote:  There are no schools left who offer any value as an all-sports member. The AAC is the conference that represents the best of the leftovers after the Power 5 have taken what they want.

If the conference or the remaining members had any long term strategic vision, they would've put together the best football conference possible and never attempted a bush league hybrid approach of football only members and non-football members. That garbage didn't work in the old Big East. It didn't work in CUSA. And it's obviously not working now.

The best thing the conference could do is stick with the remaining 10 all-sports members. Tell Wichita State to add a football team or get out. Tell Navy to compete in all sports or get out. Neither one of them add enough value to be part time members. The conference should actively push the remaining 10 schools to focus the majority of their resources on football, which is the only sport that matters in college athletics. The bowl games and national championship games make the conferences a ton more money than the basketball tournament does. Football has always driven the bus and always will. Focus on making a solid conference of 10 is a heck of a lot better than a flaky conference of 14.
It became less bush league when the ACC allowed ND in without football.

If you're comparing Notre Dame to Wichita State, you can quietly exit the conversation now.

It is the Notre Dame basketball and other sports. Yes you can easily compare Notre Dame basketball to Wichita State.
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My mind gravitates to the programs that at least in the past have been decently competitive and thus are a known name:
Old Dominion - BB
Louisiana Tech - FB
UAB - BB
Marshall - FB
Western KY - BB

Not that I'm advocating this, but I guess there is the option of St. Louis as a non-FB member if TV demands we add somebody. I don't know if they would leave the Atlantic10 but you would think Wichita, Tulsa, Memphis, Cincinnati, Houston, and New Orleans would be better for their travel budget in all the other sports. Dayton and Pittsburgh are their 2 "close" destinations now.
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Let's not over think this.

Army FB only. Done
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(06-23-2019 01:16 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Let's not over think this.

Army FB only. Done

Army-Navy game makes that a major issue...just like BYU having to buy out OOC games already scheduled makes them a major issue...but Air Force actually makes sense IMHO.

how about Air Force olympic sports to the WAC and Air Force football to the AAC?

West: Air Force, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Memphis, Tulane

East: Navy, Cincy, Temple, ECU, UCF, USF

Air Force pays an entrance fee and does not get to share in the UConn's 10 million dollar exit fee.
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Why do they have to be replaced?

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(06-23-2019 01:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Why do they have to be replaced?

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they don't...BYU, Army, Air Force would actually add to the conference...if we can't have any of them just stay at 11.

say no to CUSA, MAC, Belt, Liberty, UMass types.
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The UConn decision is not the best for UConn athletics financially. they will lose money in the BE &/or as an independent. The decision will be the official end to UConn D-1 FB & men's BB will join a conference on the slide down. But Auriemma wants (he's on record) out of the AAC because the AAC TV deal keeps many of his games off OTA TV in the NE & he is rumored to have leveraged this decision for the sole benefit of the women's BB program.

The AAC is likely not hurt by this decision either, maybe strengthened in FB even if the AAC adds no one. UConn is a very little fish in the NE TV market, which is not strong for college FB. A strong push by the AAC & ESPN might get BYU if needed but there is really no one else that adds value. Even Boise ST for FB only does little with their distance offsetting any perception of league strength benefit.

If the NE TV market really has value for the AAC (& that's a big IF), then Army is the logical choice for FB only & then addiing the best BB school anywhere within the AAC footprint for BB & olympic sports.
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I fail to see the big deal.

UConn is a decent programming .any ways, but they are awful in FB, have no recruiting base, haven't impact in the NYC market (what little college sports that matter in NYC are Syracuse), and they can replaced by a stronger FB only (almost any D1 program) while not adding an BB school unless there is real value (VCU?).

This is actually not something I'm going to lose sleep over.

Ever been to Hartford?

Who cares.
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(06-23-2019 02:32 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  I fail to see the big deal.

UConn is a decent programming .any ways, but they are awful in FB, have no recruiting base, haven't impact in the NYC market (what little college sports that matter in NYC are Syracuse), and they can replaced by a stronger FB only (almost any D1 program) while not adding an BB school unless there is real value (VCU?).

This is actually not something I'm going to lose sleep over.

Ever been to Hartford?

Who cares.

Pretty much all of this.
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