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RE: Joe Jackson, Austin Nichols, Adonis Thomas, Dedric & KJ Lawson, Shaq Goodwin
Well there was the fact that Will came with a less talented brother, and the brother had to be played or else (makes throat cut gesture).

The brother once stormed out of a game, ya know. It was distracting.
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(06-24-2019 11:20 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 08:58 AM)cmt Wrote:  ...
Except he was the 13th ranked player in the country coming out of high school and therefore coulda/shoulda been a late first round pick.

Will Barton 13
Joe Jackson 20
Jelan Kendrick 23
Tarik Black 62
Chris Crawford 109
Hippolyte Tsafack 174
Antonio Barton 269

He was supposed to be the one surefire first round pick in that class, and a possible lottery pick. As it was he was the best player on a team that couldn't really beat high level competition so he never really got to prove himself when he was here. That cost him a lot in the draft.

The fact that he's been such a good NBA player is probably the biggest indictment of Pastner. We had that guy for three years and kept losing to sub 150 teams.

Will Barton only played 2 years at Memphis
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RE: Joe Jackson, Austin Nichols, Adonis Thomas, Dedric & KJ Lawson, Shaq Goodwin
(06-24-2019 11:26 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Well there was the fact that Will came with a less talented brother, and the brother had to be played or else (makes throat cut gesture).

The brother once stormed out of a game, ya know. It was distracting.

Yes, Pastner had trouble managing his players and never really earned their respect.

Also a lot of people on this board would have sworn up and down that less talented brother was a better player than Joe Jackson.
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(06-22-2019 12:07 AM)micman Wrote:  I would like to have seen what Joe would’ve been if Coach Tippett had stayed at White Station.

Likely would have had to watch him at another college in that case.
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RE: Joe Jackson, Austin Nichols, Adonis Thomas, Dedric & KJ Lawson, Shaq Goodwin
How about one of you who is good with pulling old archive threads, go back and bump one of the debates we had about how high Dedric would be drafted?
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RE: Joe Jackson, Austin Nichols, Adonis Thomas, Dedric & KJ Lawson, Shaq Goodwin
(06-24-2019 11:11 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 11:57 AM)mairving Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 10:49 AM)cmt Wrote:  And its Tarik Black whose the only NBAer in the bunch. Their fault, but Josh didn't help any.
Not sure what the point is. Being a good college player doesn't always translate into a NBA career. Will Barton was one you missed. He didn't get drafted high but has had a good NBA career. The others had various flaws that kept them out of the NBA.

Barton probably should have been a first rounder and is probably the guy whose career was most clearly hurt by Pastner's failure to capitalize on the talent he was able to attract.

Will’s 3 pt shooting cost him a spot in the first round. Not saying Pastner was much of a Coach but Will had every chance to go first round. He eventually did it and has a nice contract.
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Off subject but I didn’t won’t to start a new thread. Giannis won MVP award today becoming the third youngest behind DRose and Lebron. DRose youngest ever to win MVP award.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2704...p-40-years

There was also a Twitter question posed by Brett McMurphey. What player would you have like to have seen not be injured and had a full career? I went with Penny. Bo Jackson was mentioned more than anyone but DRose was a solid second place. Penny who had scattered votes.
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And DRose’s 50 point game this year was just named Sportscenter’s Moment of the year.

https://twitter.com/sportscenter/status/...98530?s=21
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(06-21-2019 02:24 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  Black signed a nice deal to play overseas again

Dominican Republic?
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RE: Joe Jackson, Austin Nichols, Adonis Thomas, Dedric & KJ Lawson, Shaq Goodwin
(06-24-2019 02:51 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 11:26 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Well there was the fact that Will came with a less talented brother, and the brother had to be played or else (makes throat cut gesture).

The brother once stormed out of a game, ya know. It was distracting.

Yes, Pastner had trouble managing his players and never really earned their respect.

Also a lot of people on this board would have sworn up and down that less talented brother was a better player than Joe Jackson.

I think certainly you can make an argument that Antonio was as good or better their freshman year up until the conference tournament in El Paso. That said, I blame most of that on Pastner.
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RE: Joe Jackson, Austin Nichols, Adonis Thomas, Dedric & KJ Lawson, Shaq Goodwin
(06-24-2019 11:11 AM)Briskbas Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 11:57 AM)mairving Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 10:49 AM)cmt Wrote:  And its Tarik Black whose the only NBAer in the bunch. Their fault, but Josh didn't help any.
Not sure what the point is. Being a good college player doesn't always translate into a NBA career. Will Barton was one you missed. He didn't get drafted high but has had a good NBA career. The others had various flaws that kept them out of the NBA.

Barton probably should have been a first rounder and is probably the guy whose career was most clearly hurt by Pastner's failure to capitalize on the talent he was able to attract.

I found Will to be extremely selfish and undisciplined. Pastner allowed him to single-handedly lose the 2012 home game against UTEP. That was the game Tarik had 26 points UTEP couldn’t stop him. But for some reason, we did not get him the ball in the post the last 5-10 minutes. Will seemed to look at the clock and freak out that he didn’t have double digits. He was completely unwilling to sacrifice his points for the sake of the team winning (by continuing to pound the ball into Tarik). Watching the end of that game was one of the most excruciating I’ve experienced since the move to Fedex Forum.
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(06-21-2019 03:23 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 02:11 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 12:35 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 11:55 AM)SayWhat? Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 11:33 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  The Great Tubby Smith coached Dedric one year. and he had another year of the legend Bill Self. Maybe they were good college players who were never gong to be NBA regulars?

Except for Nichols.... he never showed any consistency in college, KJ never rated like the others

So where does Will the Thrill presently work? Just asking for a friend.

Denver Nuggets, last I heard.

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Key: Player Option / Team Option / Qualifying Offer / Two-Way Contract
SEASON DENVER NUGGETS
2018/19 $11,830,358
2019/20 $12,776,786
2020/21 $13,723,214
2021/22 $14,669,642


Josh did such a good job with Barton he want from an unheralded high school recruit to a second round pick in the NBA draft

So player development is confined to where a player is drafted? Do you have any actual memories of Barton playing or did you just look up the 2012 NBA draft?

Barton improved from 12.3 to 18 points per game, was skin and bones but still grabbed 8 rebounds per game, up from 4.9, and significantly improved his shooting percentage, 3 point field goal percentage and free throw percentage.

He had a really good freshman season and followed it up with a phenomenal sophomore season.
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(06-24-2019 11:26 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Well there was the fact that Will came with a less talented brother, and the brother had to be played or else (makes throat cut gesture).

The brother once stormed out of a game, ya know. It was distracting.

But the wink he gave at the free throw line with seconds left against Gonzaga was pretty cool.
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RE: Joe Jackson, Austin Nichols, Adonis Thomas, Dedric & KJ Lawson, Shaq Goodwin
(06-25-2019 02:14 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 03:23 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 02:11 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 12:35 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 11:55 AM)SayWhat? Wrote:  So where does Will the Thrill presently work? Just asking for a friend.

Denver Nuggets, last I heard.

Will Barton

PROJECTED SALARY

Key: Player Option / Team Option / Qualifying Offer / Two-Way Contract
SEASON DENVER NUGGETS
2018/19 $11,830,358
2019/20 $12,776,786
2020/21 $13,723,214
2021/22 $14,669,642


Josh did such a good job with Barton he want from an unheralded high school recruit to a second round pick in the NBA draft

So player development is confined to where a player is drafted? Do you have any actual memories of Barton playing or did you just look up the 2012 NBA draft?

Barton improved from 12.3 to 18 points per game, was skin and bones but still grabbed 8 rebounds per game, up from 4.9, and significantly improved his shooting percentage, 3 point field goal percentage and free throw percentage.

He had a really good freshman season and followed it up with a phenomenal sophomore season.

Barton was (is) one of the best skinny rebounders I've ever seen.
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(06-22-2019 12:07 AM)micman Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 02:01 PM)cmt Wrote:  I'm not blaming anyone, like I said, its their own fault. Dedric was the biggest name of the bunch, but they all thought they were destined for the NBA. Will Barton, OTOH, worked his a$$ off every where he went and made it. Sorry I mentioned Josh, but he recruited them all and his recruiting classes were highly rated and none of us would have bet that, of the OP players mentioned, Black would be the only one to play a minute in the NBA.

Just comparing those guys to our current #1 class. I've been saying it all along, you just don't know how good they are until they hit the court. It would be really hard for Wiseman not to live up to expectations, but the rest, we'll know in November.

This group looks to have a higher basketball IQ than Pastners’ 2010 class. Neither Will nor Joe had very high basketball IQs as freshmen—both suffered poor high school coaching (and college coaching). Tarik had the highest basketball IQ that year; so much so that GP picked Tarik as preseason CUSA player of the year. I would like to have seen what Joe would’ve been if Coach Tippett had stayed at White Station.
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(06-22-2019 12:07 AM)micman Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 02:01 PM)cmt Wrote:  I'm not blaming anyone, like I said, its their own fault. Dedric was the biggest name of the bunch, but they all thought they were destined for the NBA. Will Barton, OTOH, worked his a$$ off every where he went and made it. Sorry I mentioned Josh, but he recruited them all and his recruiting classes were highly rated and none of us would have bet that, of the OP players mentioned, Black would be the only one to play a minute in the NBA.

Just comparing those guys to our current #1 class. I've been saying it all along, you just don't know how good they are until they hit the court. It would be really hard for Wiseman not to live up to expectations, but the rest, we'll know in November.

This group looks to have a higher basketball IQ than Pastners’ 2010 class. Neither Will nor Joe had very high basketball IQs as freshmen—both suffered poor high school coaching (and college coaching). Tarik had the highest basketball IQ that year; so much so that GP picked Tarik as preseason CUSA player of the year. I would like to have seen what Joe would’ve been if Coach Tippett had stayed at White Station.

Never was a fan of Tarik Black. Lots of games where a 6'0" 150 lb. Joe Jackson would outrebound 6'9" 265 lb. Black. As big and strong as was Black he could have led the league in rebounding. Maybe Self helped him in that respect. Josh was not a big man coach.
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(06-25-2019 08:15 AM)holyterror Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 02:14 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 03:23 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 02:11 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 12:35 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  Denver Nuggets, last I heard.

Will Barton

PROJECTED SALARY

Key: Player Option / Team Option / Qualifying Offer / Two-Way Contract
SEASON DENVER NUGGETS
2018/19 $11,830,358
2019/20 $12,776,786
2020/21 $13,723,214
2021/22 $14,669,642


Josh did such a good job with Barton he want from an unheralded high school recruit to a second round pick in the NBA draft

So player development is confined to where a player is drafted? Do you have any actual memories of Barton playing or did you just look up the 2012 NBA draft?

Barton improved from 12.3 to 18 points per game, was skin and bones but still grabbed 8 rebounds per game, up from 4.9, and significantly improved his shooting percentage, 3 point field goal percentage and free throw percentage.

He had a really good freshman season and followed it up with a phenomenal sophomore season.

Barton was (is) one of the best skinny rebounders I've ever seen.

And non stop motor. Always hustled. That’s what got him in NBA. Not sure why our fans want to knock Will and DRose and praise Tarik Black who quit on this team in practice and is a Jayhawk any way you slice it.
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(06-25-2019 09:54 AM)WiseMan Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 08:15 AM)holyterror Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 02:14 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 03:23 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 02:11 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  Will Barton

PROJECTED SALARY

Key: Player Option / Team Option / Qualifying Offer / Two-Way Contract
SEASON DENVER NUGGETS
2018/19 $11,830,358
2019/20 $12,776,786
2020/21 $13,723,214
2021/22 $14,669,642


Josh did such a good job with Barton he want from an unheralded high school recruit to a second round pick in the NBA draft

So player development is confined to where a player is drafted? Do you have any actual memories of Barton playing or did you just look up the 2012 NBA draft?

Barton improved from 12.3 to 18 points per game, was skin and bones but still grabbed 8 rebounds per game, up from 4.9, and significantly improved his shooting percentage, 3 point field goal percentage and free throw percentage.

He had a really good freshman season and followed it up with a phenomenal sophomore season.

Barton was (is) one of the best skinny rebounders I've ever seen.

And non stop motor. Always hustled. That’s what got him in NBA. Not sure why our fans want to knock Will and DRose and praise Tarik Black who quit on this team in practice and is a Jayhawk any way you slice it.

Tarik couldnt stand pastners candyass coaching style. Graduated and moved on. He did it his way. To say he quit is stoopid. Change your name to stoopidman. Stoopid.
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JP even made Tarik do a stoopid press conference. Tarik had to apologize and say it was all his fault...

what a crock of crap
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(06-25-2019 07:44 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  JP even made Tarik do a stoopid press conference. Tarik had to apologize and say it was all his fault...

what a crock of crap

He thought playing monkey in the middle was stoopid.
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