It is strange that OP is Southern Miss poster. They "DO MORE WITH LESS". Then again sometimes you get what you pay for. Either way, I am sure S.Miss can be competitive in CUSA with funds provided.

(06-17-2019 01:12 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 07:24 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 12:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 09:51 PM)banker Wrote:  College football can survive indefinitely without TV revenue. As proof, there was college football for at least 60 years before TVs became a common household item.

Now, if you're asking how long we can continue as an ego based endevour where d*ck measuring through facilities and coaches salaries is more important than collegiate mission, that's a different question.

True and some schools do a lot better with less than those trying to win the water cooler championship.

You can have the best stadium or the highest paid coach or win the recruiting ratings...

I will take wins and conference championships over the water cooler championships. Plus does anyone really believes ODU is spending $26 more million than S. Miss or $16 million more than Marshall or Western? At least where it counts.

It's all in the way you do your books and count expenses. Some schools football stadium and basketball arena are "state buildings" and comes out of the general funds. Other list any expenses to update or run them as expenses in their AD budget .

Using ODU again as another example they list $13,584,792 for coaching and staff

Western $10,089,843
Marshall $9,203,698
S. Miss $7,194,222

If you just look at football and basketball, the two highest paid staffs...it doesn't add up that ODU is paid 3 to 6 million more. I expect that 13 million includes all state benefits among other things, like insurance and retirement, that is way higher in Virgina than KY, Mississippi and W Virgina.

Again millions added to a budget that might be funded/paid by the state- general fund in KY.

SCHOLARSHIPS eats up another 6 to 10 million in most budgets. But that's really just a line in the budget and money that is passed back to the school....paid out of School Funds in the AD Budget

Real expense in football is probably under 5 million a year and most of us earns 2 to 3x that amount on tickets, pay check games, donations, monies from the football payout

First of all i do not know why you brought the number comparison with ODU into the picture but VA has a strict reporting policy so there are limitations on fudging the numbers in reporting even if we wanted to while its different from some other states we have to follow it. Second of all we bring in a significant portion of money of that 26 MM you listed through fundraising and tickets so our reliance on TV money is a moot point in the big picture, while we like to have an additional MM in the budget its only < 5% of our total revenue so big ******* deal if it doesn't show up. Last year we raised 16.1 MM and its top 5 in G5. Its a loop'd'loop and this keeps coming on this board when ever money talks come up so some ODU grad with accounting major can explain it in a way that makes sense to Kentucky folk here.

Get the stick out of your ass. I used ODU Because it's the largest budget in CUSA and it has zero to do with how ODU funds their budget. But if you cant explain something...dont even talk about it. Wait for one of those accounting major to do it for you. Before one tries, I'm not interested in the how.....

its really not related to what I say or comparing because as you pointed out it's all, well mostly, in the way we do our books. That's where things differ the most.

Looks like it got stuck deeper in you than you think. No one on this ******* thread asked about budgeting numbers and how schools do it until you walked like Biatch explaining the thing that was discussed to death on this board. Chilax wise ass.

(06-17-2019 01:19 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 01:09 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 01:03 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 07:14 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 12:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Plus does anyone really believes ODU is spending $26 more million than S. Miss or $16 million more than Marshall or Western?

ODU sports = 19

WKU sports = 16
USM sports = 15
Marshall sports = 15

(06-17-2019 12:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  At least where it counts.

Well, if you are just comparing football and basketball, I would just do that instead of saying things like "does anyone believe ODU is spending $26M more.. etc." Sometimes it's simply a counting exercise, among the other points you listed.

Sometimes it's simply a exercise in logic....

Do you really think Rowing, Sailing, and Field Hockey, cost 16 million a year? That's 5.3 million on each. If so it goes to the point I was making, that ODU has a 46 million dollar AD budget....

but where it counts, for this topic, that 46 million is no better than Western's or Marshall's 30 million. The budgets are not apples to apples

What is the budget for ODU Football and Basketball? In the end that's really what we are talking about or care about. Not the Rowing, Sailing, and Field Hockey.

More sports + more spending on the sports they have in CUSA. Plus there's something to do with how athletic budgets are computed in Virginia that makes them a difficult comparison to other schools. JMU's athletic budget is $48 million and they're not even FBS.

That's the point I made or was making....

you look at 46 million to 30 million and some people thinks how can we compete with that. A lot of it is book keeping and in the two sports most of us care about....

there's not a lot of difference in spending. Sometimes the difference is only in the whats and why. Each state might not require every cost to be on the AD budget

But if we are talking overall budget, all sports....

Western is getting a their money worth. It's not what you are spending because Western has twice as many championships as any other school in CUSA since we joined in 2014. It was the same way in the SBC. But again there's really only 2 sports most care about

I can't link the actual comparison, but this site lets you compare schools' expenses and revenues. In 2017, ODU spent $10.7 million in football, $3.3 million in men's basketball and $2.3 million in women's basketball, while WKU spent $7.8, $3.0 and $1.7 million in those sports, respectively.

That said, I agree with the larger point that expenditure isn't the end-all, be-all; it's a nice tool to show institutional commitment but it also presumes a) that a dollar in Manhattan, NY and a dollar in Manhattan, KS have the same buying power, and b) there's an immutable correlation between spending and success, as though wins and championships can be ordered on Amazon.

(06-17-2019 01:31 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 01:12 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 07:24 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 12:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 09:51 PM)banker Wrote:  College football can survive indefinitely without TV revenue. As proof, there was college football for at least 60 years before TVs became a common household item.

Now, if you're asking how long we can continue as an ego based endevour where d*ck measuring through facilities and coaches salaries is more important than collegiate mission, that's a different question.

True and some schools do a lot better with less than those trying to win the water cooler championship.

You can have the best stadium or the highest paid coach or win the recruiting ratings...

I will take wins and conference championships over the water cooler championships. Plus does anyone really believes ODU is spending $26 more million than S. Miss or $16 million more than Marshall or Western? At least where it counts.

It's all in the way you do your books and count expenses. Some schools football stadium and basketball arena are "state buildings" and comes out of the general funds. Other list any expenses to update or run them as expenses in their AD budget .

Using ODU again as another example they list $13,584,792 for coaching and staff

Western $10,089,843
Marshall $9,203,698
S. Miss $7,194,222

If you just look at football and basketball, the two highest paid staffs...it doesn't add up that ODU is paid 3 to 6 million more. I expect that 13 million includes all state benefits among other things, like insurance and retirement, that is way higher in Virgina than KY, Mississippi and W Virgina.

Again millions added to a budget that might be funded/paid by the state- general fund in KY.

SCHOLARSHIPS eats up another 6 to 10 million in most budgets. But that's really just a line in the budget and money that is passed back to the school....paid out of School Funds in the AD Budget

Real expense in football is probably under 5 million a year and most of us earns 2 to 3x that amount on tickets, pay check games, donations, monies from the football payout

First of all i do not know why you brought the number comparison with ODU into the picture but VA has a strict reporting policy so there are limitations on fudging the numbers in reporting even if we wanted to while its different from some other states we have to follow it. Second of all we bring in a significant portion of money of that 26 MM you listed through fundraising and tickets so our reliance on TV money is a moot point in the big picture, while we like to have an additional MM in the budget its only < 5% of our total revenue so big ******* deal if it doesn't show up. Last year we raised 16.1 MM and its top 5 in G5. Its a loop'd'loop and this keeps coming on this board when ever money talks come up so some ODU grad with accounting major can explain it in a way that makes sense to Kentucky folk here.

Get the stick out of your ass. I used ODU Because it's the largest budget in CUSA and it has zero to do with how ODU funds their budget. But if you cant explain something...dont even talk about it. Wait for one of those accounting major to do it for you. Before one tries, I'm not interested in the how.....

its really not related to what I say or comparing because as you pointed out it's all, well mostly, in the way we do our books. That's where things differ the most.

Looks like it got stuck deeper in you than you think. No one on this ******* thread asked about budgeting numbers and how schools do it until you walked like Biatch explaining the thing that was discussed to death on this board. Chilax wise ass.

Are you really that stupid? Never mind, I know that answer because the topic title: How long can we survive with no TV money?

It goes directly to the budget and overall the TV dollars are a tiny part of it. BTW I dont need you to tell me what I can or cant talk about. Dont read it if it bores you. But again lets be 100% honest...you really cant comprehend it anyways. "Lets wait for a accounting major".

Worry about the stick or whatever it is up your ass and dont involve yourself in things that you have no interest. Or need someone else to explain it for you.

(06-17-2019 01:42 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 01:31 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 01:12 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 07:24 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 12:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  True and some schools do a lot better with less than those trying to win the water cooler championship.

You can have the best stadium or the highest paid coach or win the recruiting ratings...

I will take wins and conference championships over the water cooler championships. Plus does anyone really believes ODU is spending $26 more million than S. Miss or $16 million more than Marshall or Western? At least where it counts.

It's all in the way you do your books and count expenses. Some schools football stadium and basketball arena are "state buildings" and comes out of the general funds. Other list any expenses to update or run them as expenses in their AD budget .

Using ODU again as another example they list $13,584,792 for coaching and staff

Western $10,089,843
Marshall $9,203,698
S. Miss $7,194,222

If you just look at football and basketball, the two highest paid staffs...it doesn't add up that ODU is paid 3 to 6 million more. I expect that 13 million includes all state benefits among other things, like insurance and retirement, that is way higher in Virgina than KY, Mississippi and W Virgina.

Again millions added to a budget that might be funded/paid by the state- general fund in KY.

SCHOLARSHIPS eats up another 6 to 10 million in most budgets. But that's really just a line in the budget and money that is passed back to the school....paid out of School Funds in the AD Budget

Real expense in football is probably under 5 million a year and most of us earns 2 to 3x that amount on tickets, pay check games, donations, monies from the football payout

First of all i do not know why you brought the number comparison with ODU into the picture but VA has a strict reporting policy so there are limitations on fudging the numbers in reporting even if we wanted to while its different from some other states we have to follow it. Second of all we bring in a significant portion of money of that 26 MM you listed through fundraising and tickets so our reliance on TV money is a moot point in the big picture, while we like to have an additional MM in the budget its only < 5% of our total revenue so big ******* deal if it doesn't show up. Last year we raised 16.1 MM and its top 5 in G5. Its a loop'd'loop and this keeps coming on this board when ever money talks come up so some ODU grad with accounting major can explain it in a way that makes sense to Kentucky folk here.

Get the stick out of your ass. I used ODU Because it's the largest budget in CUSA and it has zero to do with how ODU funds their budget. But if you cant explain something...dont even talk about it. Wait for one of those accounting major to do it for you. Before one tries, I'm not interested in the how.....

its really not related to what I say or comparing because as you pointed out it's all, well mostly, in the way we do our books. That's where things differ the most.

Looks like it got stuck deeper in you than you think. No one on this ******* thread asked about budgeting numbers and how schools do it until you walked like Biatch explaining the thing that was discussed to death on this board. Chilax wise ass.

Are you really that stupid? Never mind, I know that answer because the topic title: How long can we survive with no TV money?

It goes directly to the budget and overall the TV dollars are a tiny part of it. BTW I dont need you to tell me what I can or cant talk about. Dont read it if it bores you. But again lets be 100% honest...you really cant comprehend it anyways. "Lets wait for a accounting major".

Worry about the stick or whatever it is up your ass and dont involve yourself in things that you have no interest. Or need someone else to explain it for you.

Hey D'bag don't resort to personal insults. We all know how budgeting is done based on how we cook our books don't need a stupid D'bag to clear it up for us. Lets go back to what you are replying to and see.Banker is pretty aware of how the ******* budgets are done and so are most folks on this board don't need some western biatch to spell it out. STFU.

P.S. the only fuckin reason i replied to you is that you brought up ODU and tried to spell it out something that was already spoken to death on this board.

(06-17-2019 01:47 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 01:42 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 01:31 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 01:12 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 07:24 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  First of all i do not know why you brought the number comparison with ODU into the picture but VA has a strict reporting policy so there are limitations on fudging the numbers in reporting even if we wanted to while its different from some other states we have to follow it. Second of all we bring in a significant portion of money of that 26 MM you listed through fundraising and tickets so our reliance on TV money is a moot point in the big picture, while we like to have an additional MM in the budget its only < 5% of our total revenue so big ******* deal if it doesn't show up. Last year we raised 16.1 MM and its top 5 in G5. Its a loop'd'loop and this keeps coming on this board when ever money talks come up so some ODU grad with accounting major can explain it in a way that makes sense to Kentucky folk here.

Get the stick out of your ass. I used ODU Because it's the largest budget in CUSA and it has zero to do with how ODU funds their budget. But if you cant explain something...dont even talk about it. Wait for one of those accounting major to do it for you. Before one tries, I'm not interested in the how.....

its really not related to what I say or comparing because as you pointed out it's all, well mostly, in the way we do our books. That's where things differ the most.

Looks like it got stuck deeper in you than you think. No one on this ******* thread asked about budgeting numbers and how schools do it until you walked like Biatch explaining the thing that was discussed to death on this board. Chilax wise ass.

Are you really that stupid? Never mind, I know that answer because the topic title: How long can we survive with no TV money?

It goes directly to the budget and overall the TV dollars are a tiny part of it. BTW I dont need you to tell me what I can or cant talk about. Dont read it if it bores you. But again lets be 100% honest...you really cant comprehend it anyways. "Lets wait for a accounting major".

Worry about the stick or whatever it is up your ass and dont involve yourself in things that you have no interest. Or need someone else to explain it for you.

Hey D'bag don't resort to personal insults. We all know how budgeting is done based on how we cook our books don't need a stupid D'bag to clear it up for us. Lets go back to what you are replying to and see.Banker is pretty aware of how the ******* budgets are done and so are most folks on this board don't need some western biatch to spell it out. STFU.

P.S. the only fuckin reason i replied to you is that you brought up ODU and tried to spell it out something that was already spoken to death on this board.

You really do have a problem understand the typed word..

no where was I questioning how ODU funded their budget. It's how they spent it and cost difference. But that's OK we will wait for the accounting major to explain that to you.

Now go get that out of your ass, unless you like it, because it might be awhile before the accounting major shows up. If you want a parting shot, take it because honestly...

I rather talk to the accounting major

(06-17-2019 02:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 01:47 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 01:42 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 01:31 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 01:12 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Get the stick out of your ass. I used ODU Because it's the largest budget in CUSA and it has zero to do with how ODU funds their budget. But if you cant explain something...dont even talk about it. Wait for one of those accounting major to do it for you. Before one tries, I'm not interested in the how.....

its really not related to what I say or comparing because as you pointed out it's all, well mostly, in the way we do our books. That's where things differ the most.

Looks like it got stuck deeper in you than you think. No one on this ******* thread asked about budgeting numbers and how schools do it until you walked like Biatch explaining the thing that was discussed to death on this board. Chilax wise ass.

Are you really that stupid? Never mind, I know that answer because the topic title: How long can we survive with no TV money?

It goes directly to the budget and overall the TV dollars are a tiny part of it. BTW I dont need you to tell me what I can or cant talk about. Dont read it if it bores you. But again lets be 100% honest...you really cant comprehend it anyways. "Lets wait for a accounting major".

Worry about the stick or whatever it is up your ass and dont involve yourself in things that you have no interest. Or need someone else to explain it for you.

Hey D'bag don't resort to personal insults. We all know how budgeting is done based on how we cook our books don't need a stupid D'bag to clear it up for us. Lets go back to what you are replying to and see.Banker is pretty aware of how the ******* budgets are done and so are most folks on this board don't need some western biatch to spell it out. STFU.

P.S. the only fuckin reason i replied to you is that you brought up ODU and tried to spell it out something that was already spoken to death on this board.

You really do have a problem understand the typed word..

no where was I questioning how ODU funded their budget. It's how they spent it and cost difference. But that's OK we will wait for the accounting major to explain that to you.

Now go get that out of your ass, unless you like it, because it might be awhile before the accounting major shows up. If you want a parting shot, take it because honestly...

I rather talk to the accounting major

Geez

Television money isn't what's going to "make or break" us. Right now our television and CFP income is basically nonexistent. G5 schools are going to have to improve their product, develop regional rivalries, greatly reduce travel budgets, provide top notch amenities at their stadiums, and invest in game day entertainment. Everyone today has ADD. People want to be "wowed." There can't be one "boring" moment. It's not the end of the world for those of us on the outside. We can do it.

The decision to go with CSTV years ago may have been the worst business move of any league in the history of college athletics.

(06-17-2019 01:34 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 01:19 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 01:09 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 01:03 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 07:14 AM)odu09 Wrote:  ODU sports = 19

WKU sports = 16
USM sports = 15
Marshall sports = 15


Well, if you are just comparing football and basketball, I would just do that instead of saying things like "does anyone believe ODU is spending $26M more.. etc." Sometimes it's simply a counting exercise, among the other points you listed.

Sometimes it's simply a exercise in logic....

Do you really think Rowing, Sailing, and Field Hockey, cost 16 million a year? That's 5.3 million on each. If so it goes to the point I was making, that ODU has a 46 million dollar AD budget....

but where it counts, for this topic, that 46 million is no better than Western's or Marshall's 30 million. The budgets are not apples to apples

What is the budget for ODU Football and Basketball? In the end that's really what we are talking about or care about. Not the Rowing, Sailing, and Field Hockey.

More sports + more spending on the sports they have in CUSA. Plus there's something to do with how athletic budgets are computed in Virginia that makes them a difficult comparison to other schools. JMU's athletic budget is $48 million and they're not even FBS.

That's the point I made or was making....

you look at 46 million to 30 million and some people thinks how can we compete with that. A lot of it is book keeping and in the two sports most of us care about....

there's not a lot of difference in spending. Sometimes the difference is only in the whats and why. Each state might not require every cost to be on the AD budget

But if we are talking overall budget, all sports....

Western is getting a their money worth. It's not what you are spending because Western has twice as many championships as any other school in CUSA since we joined in 2014. It was the same way in the SBC. But again there's really only 2 sports most care about

I can't link the actual comparison, but this site lets you compare schools' expenses and revenues. In 2017, ODU spent $10.7 million in football, $3.3 million in men's basketball and $2.3 million in women's basketball, while WKU spent $7.8, $3.0 and $1.7 million in those sports, respectively.

That said, I agree with the larger point that expenditure isn't the end-all, be-all; it's a nice tool to show institutional commitment but it also presumes a) that a dollar in Manhattan, NY and a dollar in Manhattan, KS have the same buying power, and b) there's an immutable correlation between spending and success, as though wins and championships can be ordered on Amazon.

Thanks for the link and that goes to what I was actually trying to point out. ODU is spending 2.9 million more than Western on football. Yet one of the largest expense ...coaching staff. Western is spending 1.9 million and ODU 1.78 https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries

I dont think travel cost in football another large expense would be to much of a difference. Western charters and I assume so does ODU


Operating Expenses not much difference at all
ODU then Western

Basketball $981,454------$834,530
Football $2,460,776----$2,446,798

costs to attend is about $340,000 (total FB) more at ODU than Western

So the 2.9 million ODU spends in football more than Western is coming from "other cost" that maybe the state of Virgina requires to be in the budget that KY doesn't .

Other words really not related to the FB program on the field and I think you understood, that was the point I was trying to make.

(06-17-2019 03:10 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  The decision to go with CSTV years ago may have been the worst business move of any league in the history of college athletics.

My gut tells me that overexpansion and leaving ESPN is what forced Banowski out. He really messed up.

We are in an over-extended league that is underpaid for our services and following a failed model of success. We are on borrowed time. Give other lesser conferences credit. They played the game much better than we did and its pathetic in every aspect. Our CFP money is the lowest per team because we are 14 teams spread across 2/3rds of a continent. We should be 10 teams all in the same time zone or suing the hell out of the CFP for more money. This whole thing wreaks of miss-management and poor foresight. I say all that, but contend that we have better schools and a better product than the MAC or the Sunbelt which makes it even worse.

If CFP payout is $10 million/conf with at least 10 teams, then we should realign to form 1 more conference and reduce some conferences to 10 teams thus giving G5(now G6)teams $10 million to split. Unless we are limited to 5 conferences total in CFP payout format.
Sorry, didn’t want to derail to a realignment thread. But if the above is the case, we should realign now. The more powerful of the G6 will only allow 10 members in order to reap more CFP funding. CUSA at 14 teams was really a bad idea.

My thoughts would be grouping like kind schools. Such as larger metro areas.
1 Ga St
2 Charlotte
3 FAU
4 FIU
5 ODU
1 N Tex
2 Rice
3UTEP
4 UTSA
5 UAB

Or go with best overall programs/potential
ODU, WKY, Marshall, UAB, USM, FAU, UNT, Rice, GA ST, Charlotte
Last 4 in Rice, Ga St, Charlotte, USM Last 4 out FIU, MTSU, La Tech, UTSA

(06-17-2019 04:46 PM)notnow Wrote:  If CFP payout is $10 million/conf with at least 10 teams, then we should realign to form 1 more conference and reduce some conferences to 10 teams thus giving G5(now G6)teams $10 million to split. Unless we are limited to 5 conferences total in CFP payout format.
Sorry, didn’t want to derail to a realignment thread. But if the above is the case, we should realign now. The more powerful of the G6 will only allow 10 members in order to reap more CFP funding. CUSA at 14 teams was really a bad idea.

My thoughts would be grouping like kind schools. Such as larger metro areas.
1 Ga St
2 Charlotte
3 FAU
4 FIU
5 ODU
1 N Tex
2 Rice
3UTEP
4 UTSA
5 UAB

Or go with best overall programs/potential
ODU, WKY, Marshall, UAB, USM, FAU, UNT, Rice, GA ST, Charlotte
Last 4 in Rice, Ga St, Charlotte, USM Last 4 out FIU, MTSU, La Tech, UTSA

I believe we are limited to a total amount of conferences. Basically the smart people in the P5 conferences said, "We are going to give you this much money...period. Split it up as you see fit." The money was then doled out to the 5 conferences equally. That's why a 12 team Sunbelt get the same cash as the 14 team CUSA. Who comes in last on that one?? SMH, what a bunch of ignorant rubes we have running this show.

(06-16-2019 06:50 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says Ecu is out of money, and they receive more tv funds.

Our TV deal pays ECU as much as your entire conference. We good.

(06-17-2019 01:03 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 07:14 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 12:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Plus does anyone really believes ODU is spending $26 more million than S. Miss or $16 million more than Marshall or Western?

ODU sports = 19

WKU sports = 16
USM sports = 15
Marshall sports = 15

(06-17-2019 12:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  At least where it counts.

Well, if you are just comparing football and basketball, I would just do that instead of saying things like "does anyone believe ODU is spending $26M more.. etc." Sometimes it's simply a counting exercise, among the other points you listed.

Sometimes it's simply a exercise in logic....

Do you really think Rowing, Sailing, and Field Hockey, cost 16 million a year? That's 5.3 million on each. If so it goes to the point I was making, that ODU has a 46 million dollar AD budget....

but where it counts, for this topic, that 46 million is no better than Western's or Marshall's 30 million. The budgets are not apples to apples

What is the budget for ODU Football and Basketball? In the end that's really what we are talking about or care about. Not the Rowing, Sailing, and Field Hockey.

I didn't suggest that the extra sports alone are the entire difference in athletic budgets, but it's definitely a part of it. Travel costs, material costs, salaries and supporting salaries for multiple sports will do it. And boats are expensive man. But I get it, looks like you've already found the answers you were looking for.

(06-17-2019 05:00 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 06:50 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says Ecu is out of money, and they receive more tv funds.

Our TV deal pays ECU as much as your entire conference. We good.

clt says no so fast my friend from the east

East Carolina University has enacted a hiring freeze thanks to a projected $16 million budget shortfall.

In a memo sent out this morning, Interim Chancellor Dan Gerlach cited a drop in graduate school enrollment along with fewer first-year students and transfer students coming in last fall was smaller than expected.

Gerlach said they can't wait for the problem to resolve itself and have come up with a four-step plan to cut spending.

• No new positions (other than those necessary to meet grant requirements) will be authorized without the approval of the Executive Council;

• Vacant positions (for all funding sources) are frozen, with exceptions subject to the recommendation of the Executive Council. Exceptions will be focused on life/safety of students and employees; regulatory and legal requirements; and enrollment growth

• No shifting of positions to support from existing fees with exceptions subject to the approval of the Executive Council.

clt agrees that the odu numbers seem incongruous with the other teams in our league. One must remember that $17.37M goes to tennis facility maintenance.

(06-17-2019 04:44 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  We are in an over-extended league that is underpaid for our services and following a failed model of success. We are on borrowed time. Give other lesser conferences credit. They played the game much better than we did and its pathetic in every aspect. Our CFP money is the lowest per team because we are 14 teams spread across 2/3rds of a continent. We should be 10 teams all in the same time zone or suing the hell out of the CFP for more money. This whole thing wreaks of miss-management and poor foresight. I say all that, but contend that we have better schools and a better product than the MAC or the Sunbelt which makes it even worse.

+1. Geographic realignment is right around the corner. The current model is too expensive to maintain for CUSA and the Sunbelt. We can continue to struggle as we are, but it isn't worth it.

I emailed the Rice Associate AD about five months ago concerning this topic. He responded by conceding that geographic realignment is coming in the near future, but stopped short of giving specifics.

Take it for what it's worth.

(06-17-2019 06:32 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 04:44 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  We are in an over-extended league that is underpaid for our services and following a failed model of success. We are on borrowed time. Give other lesser conferences credit. They played the game much better than we did and its pathetic in every aspect. Our CFP money is the lowest per team because we are 14 teams spread across 2/3rds of a continent. We should be 10 teams all in the same time zone or suing the hell out of the CFP for more money. This whole thing wreaks of miss-management and poor foresight. I say all that, but contend that we have better schools and a better product than the MAC or the Sunbelt which makes it even worse.

+1. Geographic realignment is right around the corner. The current model is too expensive to maintain for CUSA and the Sunbelt. We can continue to struggle as we are, but it isn't worth it.

I emailed the Rice Associate AD about five months ago concerning this topic. He responded by conceding that geographic realignment is coming in the near future, but stopped short of giving specifics.

Take it for what it's worth.

Sun Belt doesn't really have an outlier. There's no reconfigured conference that would be a bus league and flying to Louisiana is the same as Texas same as Florida. Texas State would probably love to be with an additional Texas football school but they ain't raising pitchforks toward their admin to leave.