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RE: Thoughts on Non-Conference Football Home and Home Scheduling w/P5 Teams
(06-19-2019 10:15 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(06-18-2019 11:31 AM)ucbandguy Wrote:  
(06-17-2019 09:22 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  We've scheduled WMU, WKU and Ohio on home and home basis because UC believes it is important to schedule OOC games against regional competition, and unfortunately the likes of Purdue, Louisville, UK and WVU are not willing to go there. I do think the game against Ohio last year was a relative success. We had a good crowd, supplemented by a decent-sized traveling fan base.

What I like about the regional games - Ohio, WMU, and WKU is that I have the option of a relatively easy drive, simple overnight roadtrip to see the team in a new setting. Since we don't have any conference opponents that fit this description, I am fine with it. I frankly prefer this to an FCS cupcake.

I just don't want to see us filling our schedule with them. I remember 30 some years ago, it felt like we were continually playing some directional school from Louisiana.

My real preference would be home and homes with Louisville, UK, WVU, Northwestern, Illinois, ect. We can't always get what we want.

That's the university's preference as well-- but those schools are intentionally avoiding UC. They know putting us on their schedule actually helps improve recruiting, brand strength, support from alumni, fans, etc.

Great point Clifton. This is why I think we continue to go after non-conf games with P12, low level SEC teams (Vandy), and ACC. Games UC will be competitive in and a name which attracts casual fans. I like the regional games as well against a OU, BG or Toledo. Of course those are must win games for us. Still a name who casual fans recognize and will come watch.
 
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RE: Thoughts on Non-Conference Football Home and Home Scheduling w/P5 Teams
Honestly I’d rather play Ohio or Toledo annually (maybe rotate the two) vs Miami at this point.
 
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RE: Thoughts on Non-Conference Football Home and Home Scheduling w/P5 Teams
(06-19-2019 12:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Honestly I’d rather play Ohio or Toledo annually (maybe rotate the two) vs Miami at this point.

No question. I think if the Big East would have stayed intact we would have ended the series a few years ago. I remember Whit Babcock talking about it a function I attended in 2011. After Pitt, WVU and UL left the conversation shifted to not wanting to lose the one trophy game we had left on the schedule. UC doesn't want to go to Oxford anymore, but they are sort of stuck... that's why they agreed to have one game at Nippert, one game at PBS and one at Oxford... to limit the number of times we go up there.

The turnout last year at Nippert convinced me that we should tear up the dear with Miami and replace them with Ohio. They traveled, they have alumni in the area and I even ran into a few UC grads who had mixed emotions about the game because their kids were going to Ohio . Miami is a hockey school. If and when we lose to them (we've ridden the wave now for 13 years but if you play anyone every year they are bound to catch you once) it is going to look awful locally.
 
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(06-19-2019 12:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Honestly I’d rather play Ohio or Toledo annually (maybe rotate the two) vs Miami at this point.

Not just because they're my current employer, but I would love a more steady series with Toledo. You could definitely build a rivalry out of it, and they're a much better program than Miami (OH) are.
 
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Speaking of Miami, here’s an article from an AD journal that ranks the best job in the MAC and Miami is ranked at or near the top in every category. I just don’t get it. That school’s brand as a “public ivy” and success in the leather-helmet era continues to carry this belief that is such a great place to be both athletically and academically

https://athleticdirectoru.com/articles/a...onference/
 
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(06-19-2019 03:55 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(06-19-2019 12:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Honestly I’d rather play Ohio or Toledo annually (maybe rotate the two) vs Miami at this point.

Not just because they're my current employer, but I would love a more steady series with Toledo. You could definitely build a rivalry out of it, and they're a much better program than Miami (OH) are.

Agree on Toledo. They have been a solid program overall for decades. Other than Ohio State and Cincinnati, is there another Ohio program that has been consistently as good?
 
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Prefer Toledo over Miami.

Prefer Ohio over Miami, but once Solich retires will they stay strong?
 
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(06-19-2019 04:52 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
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(06-19-2019 12:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Honestly I’d rather play Ohio or Toledo annually (maybe rotate the two) vs Miami at this point.

Not just because they're my current employer, but I would love a more steady series with Toledo. You could definitely build a rivalry out of it, and they're a much better program than Miami (OH) are.

Agree on Toledo. They have been a solid program overall for decades. Other than Ohio State and Cincinnati, is there another Ohio program that has been consistently as good?

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(06-19-2019 04:20 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Speaking of Miami, here’s an article from an AD journal that ranks the best job in the MAC and Miami is ranked at or near the top in every category. I just don’t get it. That school’s brand as a “public ivy” and success in the leather-helmet era continues to carry this belief that is such a great place to be both athletically and academically

https://athleticdirectoru.com/articles/a...onference/

Compared to the other MAC schools Miami should be at or near the top. Ohio and Toledo should be as well. I believe all three have distinct advantages over the trash heap that is the rest of MAC.

I would believe those three Ohio school would be solid expansion candidates if the American loses teams. For example, UC gets picked up by a depleted Big XII.

Sometimes I think Miami, Ohio, Toledo, and Marshall should get together and pick six regional schools from the MAC, C-USA, and independents to form a stronger league .
 
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(06-20-2019 07:03 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  
(06-19-2019 04:20 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Speaking of Miami, here’s an article from an AD journal that ranks the best job in the MAC and Miami is ranked at or near the top in every category. I just don’t get it. That school’s brand as a “public ivy” and success in the leather-helmet era continues to carry this belief that is such a great place to be both athletically and academically

https://athleticdirectoru.com/articles/a...onference/

Compared to the other MAC schools Miami should be at or near the top. Ohio and Toledo should be as well. I believe all three have distinct advantages over the trash heap that is the rest of MAC.

I would believe those three Ohio school would be solid expansion candidates if the American loses teams. For example, UC gets picked up by a depleted Big XII.

Sometimes I think Miami, Ohio, Toledo, and Marshall should get together and pick six regional schools from the MAC, C-USA, and independents to form a stronger league .

The way Aresco and the AAC look at things, Toledo is the only one of the three MAC teams you mentioned that would have a shot to replace UC. Miami and Ohio do not bring a market at all. Toledo isn't a huge market but if we are just talking picking one of Miami, Toldeo, or Ohio, then Toledo would get the nod.

Tulsa and Tulane were added for market.


The only team that was added that did not bring a market was ECU...but they have 50k fans a game in football so I guess that did the trick.

Honestly I wish Tulane, ECU, and Tulsa weren't added to the conference. I think those three adds were knee jerk and short sighted.
 
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