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The AAC Has Surpassed The P12
...in basketball. Looking at the Mick to UCLA posts got me pondering this. One could make the argument that in recent years the P12 is trending down and the AAC is trending up. Consider the following...

2019 NCAA bids:
4 AAC
3 P12

2018 bids:
3 AAC
3 P12

2017:
4 P12
2 AAC

2019 NCAA Tournament Winning Percentage:
57% [4-3] P12
43% [3-4] AAC

2018:
40% [2-3] AAC
0% [0-3] P12

2017:
71% [10-4] P12
33% [1-2] AAC

2019 Non-Conference Winning Percentage:
71% [107-43] AAC
61% [92-58] P12

2018:
70% [104-44] P12
70% [103-45] AAC

2017:
71% [102-42] P12
63% [85-50] AAC

2019 Final AP Poll:
11 Houston
22 Cincinnati

2018:
6 Cincinnati
12 Arizona
16 Wichita St
21 Houston

2017:
4 Arizona
8 UCLA
9 Oregon
11 SMU
18 Cincinnati

2019 Final Sagarin Conference Rankings:
6 AAC
7 P12

2018:
6 P12
7 AAC

2017:
6 P12
7 AAC

2019 Final KenPom rankings:
12 Houston
28 Oregon
29 Cincinnati
34 UCF
48 Washington
56 Memphis
57 Arizona St
63 Colorado
66 Wichita St
69 Temple
81 Oregon St
82 USC
94 Arizona
98 UConn
99 USF
102 UCLA
107 SMU
109 Utah
112 Stanford
119 Tulsa
207 Washington St
241 California
264 East Carolina
283 Tulane

2018 KenPom:
4 Cincinnati
18 Houston
21 Wichita St
28 Arizona
49 Arizona St
51 USC
56 UCLA
58 Utah
75 Oregon
84 SMU
86 Temple
87 Stanford
98 Washington
100 Oregon St
110 Tulsa
111 UCF
114 Colorado
161 Memphis
171 Tulane
179 UConn
186 Washington St
244 California
279 USF
307 East Carolina

2017:
10 Oregon
11 SMU
16 UCLA
18 Arizona
23 Cincinnati
47 Utah
52 Houston
53 USC
62 California
68 UCF
72 Colorado
96 UConn
101 Memphis
102 Stanford
118 Temple
126 Arizona St
144 Tulsa
163 Washington
191 ECU
193 Washington St
241 Tulane
264 Oregon St
292 USF
 
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RE: True, False, or Jury Still Out: The AAC Has Surpassed The P12
Too early to say in my opinion. They have been pretty bad the past couple years, but I would have to see a longer trend before I definitively say we are a better conference. However, we definitely have a better trajectory than they do right now. And with Arizona in trouble with the FBI and UCLA making an underwhelming hire, their flagship programs don't look primed to make a championship run anytime soon.
 
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(06-15-2019 03:14 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Too early to say in my opinion. They have been pretty bad the past couple years, but I would have to see a longer trend before I definitively say we are a better conference. However, we definitely have a better trajectory than they do right now. And with Arizona in trouble with the FBI and UCLA making an underwhelming hire, their flagship programs don't look primed to make a championship run anytime soon.

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(06-15-2019 03:31 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  
(06-15-2019 03:14 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Too early to say in my opinion. They have been pretty bad the past couple years, but I would have to see a longer trend before I definitively say we are a better conference. However, we definitely have a better trajectory than they do right now. And with Arizona in trouble with the FBI and UCLA making an underwhelming hire, their flagship programs don't look primed to make a championship run anytime soon.

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Don't count your chickens with Arizona yet. Miller is still recruiting well and just got one of Musselman's Nevada transfers. Miller somehow seems like he's Teflon. I don't understand how he doesn't get busted though but nothing has happened to him yet.
 
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(06-15-2019 09:27 PM)bearcatdp Wrote:  
(06-15-2019 03:31 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  
(06-15-2019 03:14 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Too early to say in my opinion. They have been pretty bad the past couple years, but I would have to see a longer trend before I definitively say we are a better conference. However, we definitely have a better trajectory than they do right now. And with Arizona in trouble with the FBI and UCLA making an underwhelming hire, their flagship programs don't look primed to make a championship run anytime soon.

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Don't count your chickens with Arizona yet. Miller is still recruiting well and just got one of Musselman's Nevada transfers. Miller somehow seems like he's Teflon. I don't understand how he doesn't get busted though but nothing has happened to him yet.

You forgot the quotes around "recruiting".
 
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RE: The AAC Has Surpassed The P12
I'm betting Miller is gone within the year(or whenever the ncaa finishes). They haven't extended his contract, and my guess is even as hands off as Az's board and hierarchy have been, they're waiting for the penalties to come down before they get rid of him. They would owe him quite a bit of money if they terminate him without cause so i'd be surprised if they don't wait to have that before moving. If they keep him, he's going to be forever under the cloud of having all his assistants booted or in jail and claiming he did nothing wrong. That will be pretty hard to work around long term in the college bball world.
 
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(06-16-2019 09:45 AM)dsquare Wrote:  I'm betting Miller is gone within the year(or whenever the ncaa finishes). They haven't extended his contract, and my guess is even as hands off as Az's board and hierarchy have been, they're waiting for the penalties to come down before they get rid of him. They would owe him quite a bit of money if they terminate him without cause so i'd be surprised if they don't wait to have that before moving. If they keep him, he's going to be forever under the cloud of having all his assistants booted or in jail and claiming he did nothing wrong. That will be pretty hard to work around long term in the college bball world.

Good logic. To bring that around to the OP, Arizona has been one of the most consistently good P12 programs. Post Miller, Zona will survive and right the ship but they will be down for a few seasons. All the more reason for the American to keep trending up and settle in the perch above them. If Gregory can keep USF rising then that is one less doormat team in our conference. If East Carolina and Tulane can ever......well, every conference has to have bottom feeders.
 
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man what happened to Stanford????
 
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(06-16-2019 08:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  man what happened to Stanford????

Mike Montgomery left. What happened to California?

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(06-17-2019 07:05 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(06-16-2019 08:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  man what happened to Stanford????

Mike Montgomery left. What happened to California?

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Cal hasn't been good since Sharif Abdul Rahim or whatever played there mid 90's...
 
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(06-17-2019 07:38 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(06-17-2019 07:05 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(06-16-2019 08:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  man what happened to Stanford????

Mike Montgomery left. What happened to California?

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Cal hasn't been good since Sharif Abdul Rahim or whatever played there mid 90's...

Jason Kidd a few seasons before him too...
 
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