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Taking a bullet (train) to the head.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/califor...speed-rail

Typical result of government overreach. This overreach is not uncommon to California. Just approved medical care for illegals on the back of those legal.

I understand the "compassion" component but like "in the health of the mother" it is disingenuous, used for emotional leverage with little basis in fact.

Gives you a window into the best possible outcome for "Democratic Socialism". After that it is all even more downhill.
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/califor...speed-rail

Typical result of government overreach. This overreach is not uncommon to California. Just approved medical care for illegals on the back of those legal.

I understand the "compassion" component but like "in the health of the mother" it is disingenuous, used for emotional leverage with little basis in fact.

Gives you a window into the best possible outcome for "Democratic Socialism". After that it is all even more downhill.
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No compassion for the taxpayers, voting public, and those who went through the process to become legal.

I’m so looking forward to the first democratic debate. Collective group of bozos.
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Dear gobaseline,
Do you watch any other news source besides Fox? Almost every statement you make about the "ills" of our society comes from Fox.
You have the right to watch whatever you wish, however, if you want people to believe or support your positions, you have to be a bit more objective in your reporting by showing other news sources.
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(06-15-2019 09:00 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear gobaseline,
Do you watch any other news source besides Fox? Almost every statement you make about the "ills" of our society comes from Fox.
You have the right to watch whatever you wish, however, if you want people to believe or support your positions, you have to be a bit more objective in your reporting by showing other news sources.

Dear Ken,

Thanks for watching out for me. I know I can count on you to have my back, front, both sides in and attempt to control my thoughts.

Listen to NPR regularly. Watch Judy Woodruff and the crew on a nightly basis. And I listen to the local progressive radio Station.

Find any source that you read or watch reporting on the same story. I don’t expect it to have the same perspective. But you don’t find it on CNN or MSNBC or whatever it is that you watch.

So the question is why not?

Simple answer is because the fewer that know about it the less it is questioned.

Collectivism at its best: collective mindlessness. What are the Broncos and the Hurons doing? “That shapes my world view!”

What facts about this boondoggle can you refute?
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Dear gobaseline,
Not trying to control your thoughts, and I am not saying there are not some problems with the bullet train. Just pointing out the source you always seem to quote is Fox. Would have helped (in my opinion) if NPR was quoted.
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Yeah, that awful California keeps destroying the right's position by being progressive and successful.

They are still behind the train and the benefits it can bring their state. Unlike Michigan and Illinois, California is growing and prospering.
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(06-15-2019 09:59 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear gobaseline,
Not trying to control your thoughts, and I am not saying there are not some problems with the bullet train. Just pointing out the source you always seem to quote is Fox. Would have helped (in my opinion) if NPR was quoted.

No Ken, you are not trying to control my thoughts you’re trying to contain or limit yours. “Some problems?” To err is human. All human endeavors have shortcomings. It Doesn’t matter their political bent.
But the facts are the facts.

Ken, what is so magical about NPR? Sounds like you need to hear from somebody who shares the same perspective. No?

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2019/02/20/...california

Here’s an excerpt from the link above of a NPR radio broadcast. Notice they don’t talk about the state not paying the farmers who’s land was confiscated through eminent domain. Why? Because it puts a different perspective on the project.

Sacramento Bee: "No, Gov. Gavin Newsom didn’t kill high-speed rail. But what’s his Plan B?" — "It’s been a dream for years in California’s sprawling Central Valley. Sleek bullet trains would race workers to and from booming Silicon Valley in the Bay Area, bridging the economic and cultural gap between urban and rural California.

"Last week, with the words 'let’s get real,' Gov. Gavin Newsom canceled that dream for now - and perhaps forever.

"In his first State of the State speech, Newsom said what many have long thought: The state’s high-speed rail project, which has ballooned in price from $45 billion to $77 billion, is out of control and needs trimming. The governor later added the project otherwise would run out of money with nothing to show for it except 'angst, frustration and finger-pointing.'

"Instead of trying to link to the Bay Area, Newsom said he will focus on finishing the line currently under construction that will run 171 miles through the Valley from Merced to Bakersfield. He said it could open by 2027."

San Francisco Chronicle: "Train to nowhere? Here’s how high-speed project went off the rails" — "It’s the railway dream that bedazzled California for decades: bullet trains whipping up and down the state, cutting a path from Los Angeles, through the orchards of the Central Valley and into downtown San Francisco. The route promised to eventually push north to Sacramento and south to San Diego.

"But high-speed rail has repeatedly hit lawsuits, engineering problems, geological obstacles, bureaucracy, swelling costs and delays. Its budget has ballooned from $33 billion to $77 billion, with no secure financing plan.

"In his State of the State speech last week, Gov. Gavin Newsom said he might scale back the vision to a 165-mile track between Merced and Bakersfield that seems to have little appeal. He has since backpedaled, saying he’s still open to a longer line, but acknowledged that there is no money for it.

"Which begs the question: How did we get here?"

Stefano Kotsonis produced this hour for broadcast.
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Yeah, that awful California keeps destroying the right's position by being progressive and successful.

They are still behind the train and the benefits it can bring their state. Unlike Michigan and Illinois, California is growing and prospering.

If hollowing out the middle class, ingratiating yourself to the titans in Silicon Valley by serving them and bringing in low-wage illegals to support business is your definition of success? Congratulations, you’re on the right track.

I can’t speak to Michigan but I would assume their problem is remaining as a banana republic tied to the automotive industry.

I can speak with authority regarding Illinois. Illinois’s problem is that the middle class is tied to public service and their unions. Their retirement is tied to state pensions. Who controls the state pensions? The corrupt state government run by progressive Democrats. So who are these people who are dependent upon a payout at retirement going to support politically?

For the rest of us (a minority) whose retirement depends on private accounts, with dwindling available income due to ever increasing tax rates the burden is onerous.

The purported tax revenue was to go in many instances to fund public pensions. Due to the corruption of the political class here it hasn’t. And there’s huge deficit is to the tune of billions.

I, like anyone else who is not receiving a state pension contributes both to the pensioners and then ourselves (if there’s anything left over). Yes you can argue pensioners are not exempt from the taxes. But they are the ones who indirectly benefit. I say indirectly because the money is not going to fund pensions but rather to unions who stuff the coffers of the political elite, pet political projects like the Obama library and corrupt Chicago political shenanigans that simply kick the can down the road.

Though not a reality there’s been conversations about dividing the state into Chicago with it’s connected collar counties and then the rest of the state about 40 miles out from the center Chicago. Economically, socially, and culturally worlds apart.

Take Silicon Valley out of California and you have Illinois or Michigan or worse. So what’s your point?
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Quote:If hollowing out the middle class, ingratiating yourself to the titans in Silicon Valley by serving them and bringing in low-wage illegals to support business is your definition of success? Congratulations, you’re on the right track.

Strawman.

California has been noted for their traffic congestion and being a divided state. The train is an attempt at solving both.

Then you cut to the middle class and taxes, but you obviously support tax breaks for the upper earners being that you recite Fox right wing talking points, no? How do you square that. "Trickle down economics"? 03-lmfao
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(06-15-2019 12:15 PM)Rasser Wrote:  
Quote:If hollowing out the middle class, ingratiating yourself to the titans in Silicon Valley by serving them and bringing in low-wage illegals to support business is your definition of success? Congratulations, you’re on the right track.

Strawman.

California has been noted for their traffic congestion and being a divided state. The train is an attempt at solving both.

Then you cut to the middle class and taxes, but you obviously support tax breaks for the upper earners being that you recite Fox right wing talking points, no? How do you square that. "Trickle down economics"? 03-lmfao

Your go to! 05-nono

Let’s not deflect.

The bottomline:
- hollowing out of middle class
- irrefutable boondoggle
- homeless piling up like cordwood
- unprecidented fires as a result of mismanagement on both private and public sectors. Greased palms, looking the other way and then blaming the guy with the fuel can while you smell like gasoline.

07-coffee3 move on. Nothing new here.
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(06-15-2019 01:50 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  
(06-15-2019 12:15 PM)Rasser Wrote:  
Quote:If hollowing out the middle class, ingratiating yourself to the titans in Silicon Valley by serving them and bringing in low-wage illegals to support business is your definition of success? Congratulations, you’re on the right track.

Strawman.

California has been noted for their traffic congestion and being a divided state. The train is an attempt at solving both.

Then you cut to the middle class and taxes, but you obviously support tax breaks for the upper earners being that you recite Fox right wing talking points, no? How do you square that. "Trickle down economics"? 03-lmfao

Your go to! 05-nono

Let’s not deflect.

The bottomline:
- hollowing out of middle class
- irrefutable boondoggle
- homeless piling up like cordwood
- unprecidented fires as a result of mismanagement on both private and public sectors. Greased palms, looking the other way and then blaming the guy with the fuel can while you smell like gasoline.

07-coffee3 move on. Nothing new here.

Middle classes hollowing out started succeeding with PATCO in 1981. Been attempted quite a few years before that with Taft Hartley. Quit blaming anyone else, it's been a plan to wipe out the middle class for decades, a GOP one at that. They've succeeded by any metric you want to use.

If you want every state to behave like Alabama, just say so.
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(06-15-2019 02:14 PM)Rasser Wrote:  
(06-15-2019 01:50 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  
(06-15-2019 12:15 PM)Rasser Wrote:  
Quote:If hollowing out the middle class, ingratiating yourself to the titans in Silicon Valley by serving them and bringing in low-wage illegals to support business is your definition of success? Congratulations, you’re on the right track.

Strawman.

California has been noted for their traffic congestion and being a divided state. The train is an attempt at solving both.

Then you cut to the middle class and taxes, but you obviously support tax breaks for the upper earners being that you recite Fox right wing talking points, no? How do you square that. "Trickle down economics"? 03-lmfao

Your go to! 05-nono

Let’s not deflect.

The bottomline:
- hollowing out of middle class
- irrefutable boondoggle
- homeless piling up like cordwood
- unprecidented fires as a result of mismanagement on both private and public sectors. Greased palms, looking the other way and then blaming the guy with the fuel can while you smell like gasoline.

07-coffee3 move on. Nothing new here.

Middle classes hollowing out started succeeding with PATCO in 1981. Been attempted quite a few years before that with Taft Hartley. Quit blaming anyone else, it's been a plan to wipe out the middle class for decades, a GOP one at that. They've succeeded by any metric you want to use.

If you want every state to behave like Alabama, just say so.
PATCO? 03-lmfao Come on Randy. I’m about the same age you. I’m not some Fleckdasian. Patco. Now there’s a strawman.

04-cheers

Yes let’s let all your traffic controller’s strike. It makes it safer and is a big boost to economy.
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(06-15-2019 03:14 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  
(06-15-2019 02:14 PM)Rasser Wrote:  
(06-15-2019 01:50 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  
(06-15-2019 12:15 PM)Rasser Wrote:  
Quote:If hollowing out the middle class, ingratiating yourself to the titans in Silicon Valley by serving them and bringing in low-wage illegals to support business is your definition of success? Congratulations, you’re on the right track.

Strawman.

California has been noted for their traffic congestion and being a divided state. The train is an attempt at solving both.

Then you cut to the middle class and taxes, but you obviously support tax breaks for the upper earners being that you recite Fox right wing talking points, no? How do you square that. "Trickle down economics"? 03-lmfao

Your go to! 05-nono

Let’s not deflect.

The bottomline:
- hollowing out of middle class
- irrefutable boondoggle
- homeless piling up like cordwood
- unprecidented fires as a result of mismanagement on both private and public sectors. Greased palms, looking the other way and then blaming the guy with the fuel can while you smell like gasoline.

07-coffee3 move on. Nothing new here.

Middle classes hollowing out started succeeding with PATCO in 1981. Been attempted quite a few years before that with Taft Hartley. Quit blaming anyone else, it's been a plan to wipe out the middle class for decades, a GOP one at that. They've succeeded by any metric you want to use.

If you want every state to behave like Alabama, just say so.
PATCO? 03-lmfao Come on Randy. I’m about the same age you. I’m not some Fleckdasian. Patco. Now there’s a strawman.

04-cheers

Yes let’s let all your traffic controller’s strike. It makes it safer and is a big boost to economy.

Thought you were "moving on"?

You know the reference to the Air Traffic Controllers strike and why it's relevant and are being coy, or you just are clueless.

Either way, your first choice was the best look for you. 03-phew
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Rasser you are extremely right about PATCO and unions. GBL it's insane to talk about "the hollowing out of the middle class" and not also look at a concerted and systematic effort to destroy the unions that created the middle class. It's also wild to talk about palm greasing as mostly a game played by working people. That's a rich man's game, worker's just figured out a way to pool their money and play too. The teacher's union is not comparable to the Koch Brothers in terms of outsized and anti-democratic political influence. It's not close.
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(06-15-2019 07:05 PM)HaymondAtThe4 Wrote:  Rasser you are extremely right about PATCO and unions. GBL it's insane to talk about "the hollowing out of the middle class" and not also look at a concerted and systematic effort to destroy the unions that created the middle class. It's also wild to talk about palm greasing as mostly a game played by working people. That's a rich man's game, worker's just figured out a way to pool their money and play too. The teacher's union is not comparable to the Koch Brothers in terms of outsized and anti-democratic political influence. It's not close.

Dude, the article and point is about California. Stay on topic.
Illinois and Michigan are a misdirect. Random, as he now goes by, knows it and he’s hoping you don’t. Apparently you don’t.
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(06-15-2019 09:36 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  
(06-15-2019 07:05 PM)HaymondAtThe4 Wrote:  Rasser you are extremely right about PATCO and unions. GBL it's insane to talk about "the hollowing out of the middle class" and not also look at a concerted and systematic effort to destroy the unions that created the middle class. It's also wild to talk about palm greasing as mostly a game played by working people. That's a rich man's game, worker's just figured out a way to pool their money and play too. The teacher's union is not comparable to the Koch Brothers in terms of outsized and anti-democratic political influence. It's not close.

Dude, the article and point is about California. Stay on topic.
Illinois and Michigan are a misdirect. Random, as he now goes by, knows it and he’s hoping you don’t. Apparently you don’t.

Stay on point huh? That's rich coming from you.

Go back and look, you went on the soliloquy about how pensions and hollowing out the middle class was happening because of the train.
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(06-16-2019 10:02 AM)Rasser Wrote:  
(06-15-2019 09:36 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  
(06-15-2019 07:05 PM)HaymondAtThe4 Wrote:  Rasser you are extremely right about PATCO and unions. GBL it's insane to talk about "the hollowing out of the middle class" and not also look at a concerted and systematic effort to destroy the unions that created the middle class. It's also wild to talk about palm greasing as mostly a game played by working people. That's a rich man's game, worker's just figured out a way to pool their money and play too. The teacher's union is not comparable to the Koch Brothers in terms of outsized and anti-democratic political influence. It's not close.

Dude, the article and point is about California. Stay on topic.
Illinois and Michigan are a misdirect. Random, as he now goes by, knows it and he’s hoping you don’t. Apparently you don’t.

Stay on point huh? That's rich coming from you.

Go back and look, you went on the soliloquy about how pensions and hollowing out the middle class was happening because of the train.

Pensions are in response to your typical deflection using Illinois. 03-nutkick

Hollowing not a result Of train, but of onerous Progressive policies of paying for everything under the sun. The execution on the train is just another example of progressive democratic socialism putting it to the common folk. $1 = $1M. Now pay up! Your land? I’ll take that!

Starting your Sunday at the Cannabis emporium a little early Random?
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They should have started with something a little less ambitious, like Florida's Miami - West Palm Beach route. Now that it's up and running, they will start building the next leg to Orlando. It can be done, even in a red-leaning state.
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