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(06-14-2019 08:03 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 07:59 AM)Topcat Wrote:  "For years, (Virginia) caught no breaks and then bang, they win it all. You put yourself in a position to win a title, and that’s what you can control."

So... all you have to do is put yourself in position and then hope you get the breaks? Wow. I had no idea.

To be fair, this is a reasonable point. HOWEVER, Mick's problem is his teams were in realistic position, with a true contender, one time. Nevermind that they lost in the second round, that team was the kind of team if he repeatedly put together would break through with deep runs. We've seen it with Villanova. We've seen it with Virginia. But both those programs had protected seed (Often 1 and 2 seed) type teams year after year.

I think I'm pretty objective on the subject.

It was not Mick's fault that, regardless of seed, we would get put against 35-0 UK, NC UConn or underachieving UCLA type teams in the second round seemingly every year.

However, the evidence of the "can't catch a break" kind've goes out the window with the entirely winnable Creighton, Harvard and St. Joes games.

Nevada was ridiculous.

Iowa this year was the last straw for me. If you get outcoached by Fran McCaffery, you gotta go. You don't need a "break" to figure out how to get the dadgummed ball down the court against a passive full court zone press.
 
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(06-14-2019 08:26 AM)Topcat Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 08:03 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 07:59 AM)Topcat Wrote:  "For years, (Virginia) caught no breaks and then bang, they win it all. You put yourself in a position to win a title, and that’s what you can control."

So... all you have to do is put yourself in position and then hope you get the breaks? Wow. I had no idea.

To be fair, this is a reasonable point. HOWEVER, Mick's problem is his teams were in realistic position, with a true contender, one time. Nevermind that they lost in the second round, that team was the kind of team if he repeatedly put together would break through with deep runs. We've seen it with Villanova. We've seen it with Virginia. But both those programs had protected seed (Often 1 and 2 seed) type teams year after year.

I think I'm pretty objective on the subject.

It was not Mick's fault that, regardless of seed, we would get put against 35-0 UK, NC UConn or underachieving UCLA type teams in the second round seemingly every year.

However, the evidence of the "can't catch a break" kind've goes out the window with the entirely winnable Creighton, Harvard and St. Joes games.

Nevada was ridiculous.

Iowa this year was the last straw for me. If you get outcoached by Fran McCaffery, you gotta go. You don't need a "break" to figure out how to get the dadgummed ball down the court against a passive full court zone press.

You play teams like that in the second round when you're not a protected seed. That's how it works. Those UC teams weren't true contenders even if they caught a couple breaks and made the Sweet 16.
 
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Slow sports news day in Cincinnati.
 
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(06-13-2019 08:31 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  He is a PR trainwreck.
You'd think UC or UCLA would've worked with him so he handled media and interviews better.
Just sucks at them.

This. He is absolutely brutal from a PR standpoint.
 
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(06-14-2019 08:26 AM)Topcat Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 08:03 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 07:59 AM)Topcat Wrote:  "For years, (Virginia) caught no breaks and then bang, they win it all. You put yourself in a position to win a title, and that’s what you can control."

So... all you have to do is put yourself in position and then hope you get the breaks? Wow. I had no idea.

To be fair, this is a reasonable point. HOWEVER, Mick's problem is his teams were in realistic position, with a true contender, one time. Nevermind that they lost in the second round, that team was the kind of team if he repeatedly put together would break through with deep runs. We've seen it with Villanova. We've seen it with Virginia. But both those programs had protected seed (Often 1 and 2 seed) type teams year after year.

I think I'm pretty objective on the subject.

It was not Mick's fault that, regardless of seed, we would get put against 35-0 UK, NC UConn or underachieving UCLA type teams in the second round seemingly every year.

However, the evidence of the "can't catch a break" kind've goes out the window with the entirely winnable Creighton, Harvard and St. Joes games.

Nevada was ridiculous.

Iowa this year was the last straw for me. If you get outcoached by Fran McCaffery, you gotta go. You don't need a "break" to figure out how to get the dadgummed ball down the court against a passive full court zone press.

You play teams like that in the second round when you're not a protected seed. That's how it works. Those UC teams weren't true contenders even if they caught a couple breaks and made the Sweet 16.

I guess I'm missing the point.

How is it a reasonable point to say "I never got a break" as the reason why I never did anything in the tournament if you're saying that his teams were only eligible to receive said breaks (by having a protected seed) once?

It is possible to upset someone. It happens to us all the time.
 
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I wonder how his former players feel about what he's been saying about not being able to recruit to Cincinnati. I guess he duped them all to get them to come here?
 
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I'm just confused about how he admits to googling UCLA coach, then says that Wooden wouldn't care about message board chatter and he won't either. Then why are you googling it Mick? I think it is clear he spends more time reading these forums than he should. Hell, he probably is still looking to see what people are saying about him on UC boards.

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(06-14-2019 09:01 AM)Topcat Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 08:31 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 08:26 AM)Topcat Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 08:03 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 07:59 AM)Topcat Wrote:  "For years, (Virginia) caught no breaks and then bang, they win it all. You put yourself in a position to win a title, and that’s what you can control."

So... all you have to do is put yourself in position and then hope you get the breaks? Wow. I had no idea.

To be fair, this is a reasonable point. HOWEVER, Mick's problem is his teams were in realistic position, with a true contender, one time. Nevermind that they lost in the second round, that team was the kind of team if he repeatedly put together would break through with deep runs. We've seen it with Villanova. We've seen it with Virginia. But both those programs had protected seed (Often 1 and 2 seed) type teams year after year.

I think I'm pretty objective on the subject.

It was not Mick's fault that, regardless of seed, we would get put against 35-0 UK, NC UConn or underachieving UCLA type teams in the second round seemingly every year.

However, the evidence of the "can't catch a break" kind've goes out the window with the entirely winnable Creighton, Harvard and St. Joes games.

Nevada was ridiculous.

Iowa this year was the last straw for me. If you get outcoached by Fran McCaffery, you gotta go. You don't need a "break" to figure out how to get the dadgummed ball down the court against a passive full court zone press.

You play teams like that in the second round when you're not a protected seed. That's how it works. Those UC teams weren't true contenders even if they caught a couple breaks and made the Sweet 16.

I guess I'm missing the point.

How is it a reasonable point to say "I never got a break" as the reason why I never did anything in the tournament if you're saying that his teams were only eligible to receive said breaks (by having a protected seed) once?

It is possible to upset someone. It happens to us all the time.

He used Virginia as an example. Virginia got some breaks on their run, but they were the number 2 overall seed. They've been the number 1 overall seed. They are a protected seed nearly every year. Yea they finally got some breaks, but to win a title you need to put yourself in position to be a true contender, which Virginia did time and time again. Mick gets a couple breaks most years and he makes what the Sweet 16? His only team that had a real chance at a Final Four title run was the team that lost to Nevada. That could be seen partially as not getting the breaks (though he got a ton in his bracket if they held on to a 22 point lead), but that was the only year getting a couple breaks could reasonably have meant final four / championship.
 
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(06-14-2019 09:29 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 09:01 AM)Topcat Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 08:31 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 08:26 AM)Topcat Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 08:03 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  To be fair, this is a reasonable point. HOWEVER, Mick's problem is his teams were in realistic position, with a true contender, one time. Nevermind that they lost in the second round, that team was the kind of team if he repeatedly put together would break through with deep runs. We've seen it with Villanova. We've seen it with Virginia. But both those programs had protected seed (Often 1 and 2 seed) type teams year after year.

I think I'm pretty objective on the subject.

It was not Mick's fault that, regardless of seed, we would get put against 35-0 UK, NC UConn or underachieving UCLA type teams in the second round seemingly every year.

However, the evidence of the "can't catch a break" kind've goes out the window with the entirely winnable Creighton, Harvard and St. Joes games.

Nevada was ridiculous.

Iowa this year was the last straw for me. If you get outcoached by Fran McCaffery, you gotta go. You don't need a "break" to figure out how to get the dadgummed ball down the court against a passive full court zone press.

You play teams like that in the second round when you're not a protected seed. That's how it works. Those UC teams weren't true contenders even if they caught a couple breaks and made the Sweet 16.

I guess I'm missing the point.

How is it a reasonable point to say "I never got a break" as the reason why I never did anything in the tournament if you're saying that his teams were only eligible to receive said breaks (by having a protected seed) once?

It is possible to upset someone. It happens to us all the time.

He used Virginia as an example. Virginia got some breaks on their run, but they were the number 2 overall seed. They've been the number 1 overall seed. They are a protected seed nearly every year. Yea they finally got some breaks, but to win a title you need to put yourself in position to be a true contender, which Virginia did time and time again. Mick gets a couple breaks most years and he makes what the Sweet 16? His only team that had a real chance at a Final Four title run was the team that lost to Nevada. That could be seen partially as not getting the breaks (though he got a ton in his bracket if they held on to a 22 point lead), but that was the only year getting a couple breaks could reasonably have meant final four / championship.

If Mickster doesn’t come up short in that game he is either here with a larger contract or he is one of the top 3 choices for UCLA instead of begging for the job while others passed it over.
 
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(06-14-2019 09:13 AM)crex043 Wrote:  I wonder how his former players feel about what he's been saying about not being able to recruit to Cincinnati. I guess he duped them all to get them to come here?

Especially those who wanted to join him at UCLA.
 
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(06-14-2019 08:56 AM)Marcus Wrote:  
(06-13-2019 08:31 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  He is a PR trainwreck.
You'd think UC or UCLA would've worked with him so he handled media and interviews better.
Just sucks at them.

This. He is absolutely brutal from a PR standpoint.

This interview is really unfair - to his former players, his alma mater, his current players and school. Article was all about MC - poor guy had to uproot his family because he chose to take a different job. Someone one needs to have him repeat his phrase - "it's time to turn the page." He should be focused on what he has accomplished at his new school and his vision going forward. Interesting, I googled his recruiting and didn't see any news. Has he landed a player or two? I'm sure he has some holes to fill. The only thing he should say about UC - I value what we accomplished together, I wish them well.

I'm sure there is an coach's etiquette for leaving programs; sure doesn't seem like MC is respecting it.
 
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(06-14-2019 09:01 AM)Topcat Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 08:31 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 08:26 AM)Topcat Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 08:03 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 07:59 AM)Topcat Wrote:  "For years, (Virginia) caught no breaks and then bang, they win it all. You put yourself in a position to win a title, and that’s what you can control."

So... all you have to do is put yourself in position and then hope you get the breaks? Wow. I had no idea.

To be fair, this is a reasonable point. HOWEVER, Mick's problem is his teams were in realistic position, with a true contender, one time. Nevermind that they lost in the second round, that team was the kind of team if he repeatedly put together would break through with deep runs. We've seen it with Villanova. We've seen it with Virginia. But both those programs had protected seed (Often 1 and 2 seed) type teams year after year.

I think I'm pretty objective on the subject.

It was not Mick's fault that, regardless of seed, we would get put against 35-0 UK, NC UConn or underachieving UCLA type teams in the second round seemingly every year.

However, the evidence of the "can't catch a break" kind've goes out the window with the entirely winnable Creighton, Harvard and St. Joes games.

Nevada was ridiculous.

Iowa this year was the last straw for me. If you get outcoached by Fran McCaffery, you gotta go. You don't need a "break" to figure out how to get the dadgummed ball down the court against a passive full court zone press.

You play teams like that in the second round when you're not a protected seed. That's how it works. Those UC teams weren't true contenders even if they caught a couple breaks and made the Sweet 16.

I guess I'm missing the point.

How is it a reasonable point to say "I never got a break" as the reason why I never did anything in the tournament if you're saying that his teams were only eligible to receive said breaks (by having a protected seed) once?

It is possible to upset someone. It happens to us all the time.

this

Harvard, St. Joe's and Creighton all agree


and I still say this all goes back to recruiting, style of play and coaching...yeah, Mick's teams weren't blowing protected seeds annually, sure, but they weren't getting protected seeds because of his constant micromanaging and crappy rock fight style of play. That style is going to get you to the big dance...as a 7-10 seed most years and rightfully so. And forget about making any 'upset runs' ala Xavier because to do well in March, by in large, you have to have an offense that scores. We never really did. As for the recruiting lack, no need to discuss that here, we all know he limited himself in that area. He got out while he could because the 'bad arena' excuse was gone.

Being that as it may, there is still ZERO excuse for the 5 seed first round bow out and the Nevada year...which SHOULD have been at least an E8 or better.

Heck had the team just made runs those two years, Mick is still at UC and people here are happy.
A S16 and E8 run every three or four years would be acceptable to most UC fans...we don't have UK expectations. 1S16 in 10 tourneys however is a non-starter for must of us. And protected seeds or not, he had several teams that should have at least done a S16 or E8.
 
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(06-14-2019 09:01 AM)Topcat Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 08:31 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 08:26 AM)Topcat Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 08:03 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  To be fair, this is a reasonable point. HOWEVER, Mick's problem is his teams were in realistic position, with a true contender, one time. Nevermind that they lost in the second round, that team was the kind of team if he repeatedly put together would break through with deep runs. We've seen it with Villanova. We've seen it with Virginia. But both those programs had protected seed (Often 1 and 2 seed) type teams year after year.

I think I'm pretty objective on the subject.

It was not Mick's fault that, regardless of seed, we would get put against 35-0 UK, NC UConn or underachieving UCLA type teams in the second round seemingly every year.

However, the evidence of the "can't catch a break" kind've goes out the window with the entirely winnable Creighton, Harvard and St. Joes games.

Nevada was ridiculous.

Iowa this year was the last straw for me. If you get outcoached by Fran McCaffery, you gotta go. You don't need a "break" to figure out how to get the dadgummed ball down the court against a passive full court zone press.

You play teams like that in the second round when you're not a protected seed. That's how it works. Those UC teams weren't true contenders even if they caught a couple breaks and made the Sweet 16.

I guess I'm missing the point.

How is it a reasonable point to say "I never got a break" as the reason why I never did anything in the tournament if you're saying that his teams were only eligible to receive said breaks (by having a protected seed) once?

It is possible to upset someone. It happens to us all the time.

this

Harvard, St. Joe's and Creighton all agree


and I still say this all goes back to recruiting, style of play and coaching...yeah, Mick's teams weren't blowing protected seeds annually, sure, but they weren't getting protected seeds because of his constant micromanaging and crappy rock fight style of play. That style is going to get you to the big dance...as a 7-10 seed most years and rightfully so. And forget about making any 'upset runs' ala Xavier because to do well in March, by in large, you have to have an offense that scores. We never really did. As for the recruiting lack, no need to discuss that here, we all know he limited himself in that area. He got out while he could because the 'bad arena' excuse was gone.

Being that as it may, there is still ZERO excuse for the 5 seed first round bow out and the Nevada year...which SHOULD have been at least an E8 or better.

Heck had the team just made runs those two years, Mick is still at UC and people here are happy.
A S16 and E8 run every three or four years would be acceptable to most UC fans...we don't have UK expectations. 1S16 in 10 tourneys however is a non-starter for must of us. And protected seeds or not, he had several teams that should have at least done a S16 or E8.

St Joes was seeded higher than UC.
Creighton was seeded higher than UC.

Harvard was a 5/12 game, though they were barely a vegas underdog. Not sure these are great examples. Harvard at least somewhat fits the criteria.
 
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(06-14-2019 11:47 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  St Joes was seeded higher than UC.
Creighton was seeded higher than UC.

Harvard was a 5/12 game, though they were barely a vegas underdog. Not sure these are great examples. Harvard at least somewhat fits the criteria.

Not to mention vs St Joes Gary was hobbled. Really I'd put that one more in the snake bitten column to lose to a higher seed on a buzzer beater with the conference's defensive player of the year on one leg.
 
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(06-14-2019 11:47 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 11:32 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 09:01 AM)Topcat Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 08:31 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 08:26 AM)Topcat Wrote:  I think I'm pretty objective on the subject.

It was not Mick's fault that, regardless of seed, we would get put against 35-0 UK, NC UConn or underachieving UCLA type teams in the second round seemingly every year.

However, the evidence of the "can't catch a break" kind've goes out the window with the entirely winnable Creighton, Harvard and St. Joes games.

Nevada was ridiculous.

Iowa this year was the last straw for me. If you get outcoached by Fran McCaffery, you gotta go. You don't need a "break" to figure out how to get the dadgummed ball down the court against a passive full court zone press.

You play teams like that in the second round when you're not a protected seed. That's how it works. Those UC teams weren't true contenders even if they caught a couple breaks and made the Sweet 16.

I guess I'm missing the point.

How is it a reasonable point to say "I never got a break" as the reason why I never did anything in the tournament if you're saying that his teams were only eligible to receive said breaks (by having a protected seed) once?

It is possible to upset someone. It happens to us all the time.

this

Harvard, St. Joe's and Creighton all agree


and I still say this all goes back to recruiting, style of play and coaching...yeah, Mick's teams weren't blowing protected seeds annually, sure, but they weren't getting protected seeds because of his constant micromanaging and crappy rock fight style of play. That style is going to get you to the big dance...as a 7-10 seed most years and rightfully so. And forget about making any 'upset runs' ala Xavier because to do well in March, by in large, you have to have an offense that scores. We never really did. As for the recruiting lack, no need to discuss that here, we all know he limited himself in that area. He got out while he could because the 'bad arena' excuse was gone.

Being that as it may, there is still ZERO excuse for the 5 seed first round bow out and the Nevada year...which SHOULD have been at least an E8 or better.

Heck had the team just made runs those two years, Mick is still at UC and people here are happy.
A S16 and E8 run every three or four years would be acceptable to most UC fans...we don't have UK expectations. 1S16 in 10 tourneys however is a non-starter for must of us. And protected seeds or not, he had several teams that should have at least done a S16 or E8.

St Joes was seeded higher than UC.
Creighton was seeded higher than UC.

Harvard was a 5/12 game, though they were barely a vegas underdog. Not sure these are great examples. Harvard at least somewhat fits the criteria.

ok but I still address this in the bolded above...."It is possible to upset someone. It happens to us all the time"
 
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Quote:“You know what? It doesn’t matter. I don’t give a (expletive) about that (expletive),” Cronin tells USA TODAY Sports.

Quote:“You know what? It doesn’t matter. I don’t give a (expletive) about that (expletive) Sweet 16. I'm trying to win a national championship. I'm taking my talents to LA.”
 
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Sounds like he felt he was owed more by uc for always coming up short in the tournament.
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He came up SHORT even in his rare NCAA wins.
 
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