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RE: This treasonous cork soaker needs to go STAT.
(06-18-2019 06:24 PM)ess Wrote:  
(06-18-2019 07:58 AM)Rasser Wrote:  And, if this guy wasn't a sitting POTUS, he'd be indicted and in jail.

For conspiring with the Russians?

Possible, he wouldn't have been able to Obstruct the investigation if he wasn't in that position. Definitely for obstruction, and for his role with his personal hatchet man, attorney Cohen who IS IN JAIL in committing campaign violations (Paying off porn stars and playmates to NOT TALK) and covering it up. "Individual #1".

Now Trump and his DOJ are all concerned with Manafort going to Rikers prison, citing the conditions as too harsh.....for him. They stepped in and blocked it, reportedly unprecedented. Never mind the prisoners there who are not even guilty, being held awaiting trial, they're just poor. "Presumed Innocent".

This feels like it's leading to a pardon. More obstruction.

Quote:Our society has that standard, unless you've been arrested and are on trial.

I would strongly disagree.

You feel that way toward your friends? Family? People in general?

We all enjoy the same due process, which includes being presumed innocent when you arrested.

Quote:The "outrage" over Trump being investigated rings hollow here.

Who around here is exhibiting "outrage"?

You seem pretty outraged!! GET OVER IT. 01-lauramac2
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(06-18-2019 07:04 PM)Rasser Wrote:  
(06-18-2019 06:24 PM)ess Wrote:  
(06-18-2019 07:58 AM)Rasser Wrote:  And, if this guy wasn't a sitting POTUS, he'd be indicted and in jail.

For conspiring with the Russians?

Possible, he wouldn't have been able to Obstruct the investigation if he wasn't in that position. Definitely for obstruction, and for his role with his personal hatchet man, attorney Cohen who IS IN JAIL in committing campaign violations (Paying off porn stars and playmates to NOT TALK) and covering it up. "Individual #1".

Now Trump and his DOJ are all concerned with Manafort going to Rikers prison, citing the conditions as too harsh.....for him. They stepped in and blocked it, reportedly unprecedented. Never mind the prisoners there who are not even guilty, being held awaiting trial, they're just poor. "Presumed Innocent".

This feels like it's leading to a pardon. More obstruction.

Quote:Our society has that standard, unless you've been arrested and are on trial.

I would strongly disagree.

You feel that way toward your friends? Family? People in general?

We all enjoy the same due process, which includes being presumed innocent when you arrested.

Quote:The "outrage" over Trump being investigated rings hollow here.

Who around here is exhibiting "outrage"?

You seem pretty outraged!! GET OVER IT. :lauramac:


Manafort is serving a 7 year sentence. Rikers is not a long term facility. 85% of the inmates have yet to be convicted(pretrial,etc). Known for its violence(except when Giuliani was running things).
Rikers is the kind of place where guards and inmate
are able to get away with beatings, drug trafficking,
etc. Not typically where white collar criminals are held for a long period of time. Even the Dem hierarchy in the city are looking to close it because
they cannot clean it up.
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(06-19-2019 08:27 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(06-18-2019 07:04 PM)Rasser Wrote:  
(06-18-2019 06:24 PM)ess Wrote:  
(06-18-2019 07:58 AM)Rasser Wrote:  And, if this guy wasn't a sitting POTUS, he'd be indicted and in jail.

For conspiring with the Russians?

Possible, he wouldn't have been able to Obstruct the investigation if he wasn't in that position. Definitely for obstruction, and for his role with his personal hatchet man, attorney Cohen who IS IN JAIL in committing campaign violations (Paying off porn stars and playmates to NOT TALK) and covering it up. "Individual #1".

Now Trump and his DOJ are all concerned with Manafort going to Rikers prison, citing the conditions as too harsh.....for him. They stepped in and blocked it, reportedly unprecedented. Never mind the prisoners there who are not even guilty, being held awaiting trial, they're just poor. "Presumed Innocent".

This feels like it's leading to a pardon. More obstruction.

Quote:Our society has that standard, unless you've been arrested and are on trial.

I would strongly disagree.

You feel that way toward your friends? Family? People in general?

We all enjoy the same due process, which includes being presumed innocent when you arrested.

Quote:The "outrage" over Trump being investigated rings hollow here.

Who around here is exhibiting "outrage"?

You seem pretty outraged!! GET OVER IT. 01-lauramac2


Manafort is serving a 7 year sentence. Rikers is not a long term facility. 85% of the inmates have yet to be convicted(pretrial,etc). Known for its violence(except when Giuliani was running things).
Rikers is the kind of place where guards and inmate
are able to get away with beatings, drug trafficking,
etc. Not typically where white collar criminals are held for a long period of time. Even the Dem hierarchy in the city are looking to close it because
they cannot clean it up.

Wrong! They are looking to close it in ten years because it's environmentally unsafe. Any prison can be cleaned up, if it were structurally sound. What a red herring. That, and Manafort is awaiting trial for other charges.

If the DOJ and Trump care so much, why aren't they addressing Rikers overall?

This is very "unusual" and reeks of favoritism in the least.

Doesn't matter, after the last Supreme Court ruling, looks like Manafort will be charged by the state and end up there anyway, and they tipped their hand at how distasteful a stay in Rikers will be for him. He'll be talking sooner or later, just a matter of when.
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"She acid washed her emails, very expensive...." - The orangeidiot yesterday, still railing on Hillary who's not running, or in the picture these days.

Yeah, no. This was a software that orgs use to optimize performance and gain disk space. https://www.bleachbit.org

Soak it up cult.
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Why should white collar criminals get off easier anyway? Many times they ruin more lives and cause more pain than a violent criminal.
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(06-19-2019 11:50 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  Why should white collar criminals get off easier anyway? Many times they ruin more lives and cause more pain than a violent criminal.

Exactly. Manafort impact NUMEROUS lives with his dealings with the Ukraine and Russia oligarchs (i.e. mob). Not to mention here in the states.

A crime is a crime, a criminal is a criminal. There are white collar criminals awaiting trial in that same Rikers facility fwiw.

He had a seven year sentence and was to be housed in a jail that is JUST FINE for other people. Rings really hollow.

I'm not even sure why anyone would defend that.

This dual application of justice will make a great 30 second sound bite come campaign time. Couple that with a bunch of snippets of Trump's bs stories, imitating handicapped people, his slurs, defending white nationalists, and the video of his walking in like he was onstage, telling his big dollar donors at Mira Lago right after the tax cut got passed that "he made them a LOT OF MONEY" will go over really well. I hope they do go low this time, he's provided ton's of ammo against himself. No fake promises with no record to validate like before.
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Big question is what are you going to do in all your free time if Trump is voted out?? Seems like this takes up most of your days...
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And, meanwhile - at his first 2020 election rally in Orlando -

Trump spoke over a dozen lies, mistruths - however you want to phrase them - in only 76 minutes.
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(06-19-2019 02:54 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  And, meanwhile - at his first 2020 election rally in Orlando -

Trump spoke over a dozen lies, mistruths - however you want to phrase them - in only 76 minutes.

Yeah but GR doesn't want us to talk about it here. 03-shhhh
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Don't like Trump - LEAVE the Country!!!!!
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Give the people - or at least "his" people - what they want - to hear anyway, true or not.

Secret to his success.

The Mussolini of the 21st Century.

Even resembles Il Duce facially (minus the tanning spray and hair).

As he says, we won't ever be a socialist nation, but if he gets another four years, we might be closer to a fascist one.
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(06-19-2019 03:58 PM)Bronco88Oxford Wrote:  Don't like Trump - LEAVE the Country!!!!!

Did you leave the country because you didn't like President Obama?
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(06-19-2019 03:58 PM)Bronco88Oxford Wrote:  Don't like Trump - LEAVE the Country!!!!!

Yes, that's the way a republic-democracy works.

Heard the same thing when Nixon was president.
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(06-19-2019 03:58 PM)Bronco88Oxford Wrote:  Don't like Trump - LEAVE the Country!!!!!

Amazing how thin skinned Trumpsters are after the 8 years of anything goes when Obama was at the helm.

Trump himself kept drumming up the "birther" deal of all people.
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(06-19-2019 03:59 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Give the people - or at least "his" people - what they want - to hear anyway, true or not.

Secret to his success.

The Mussolini of the 21st Century.

Even resembles Il Duce facially (minus the tanning spray and hair).

As he says, we won't ever be a socialist nation, but if he gets another four years, we might be closer to a fascist one.

Mussolini instilled fascism by "plucking one feather at a time" so they wouldn't feel it, he started as a democratically elected PM.

They sure borrow PAGES out of Goebbel's playbook of accusing your detractors of doing exactly what you are doing to deflect. It's scary and erie.
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(06-19-2019 01:48 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  Big question is what are you going to do in all your free time if Trump is voted out?? Seems like this takes up most of your days...

Celebrate the survival of our Republic, first and foremost. Then watch them "LOCK HIM UP". 02-13-banana
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Too soon to tell, but I wonder if Trump could actually win the popular vote this time?
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(06-19-2019 04:23 PM)Rasser Wrote:  [quote='MajorHoople' pid='16151593' dateline='1560977951']
Give the people - or at least "his" people - what they want - to hear anyway, true or not.

Secret to his success.

The Mussolini of the 21st Century.

Even resembles Il Duce facially (minus the tanning spray and hair).

As he says, we won't ever be a socialist nation, but if he gets another four years, we might be closer to a fascist one.

Mussolini instilled fascism, consolidated power by "plucking one chicken feather at a time" so they wouldn't feel it, he started as a democratically elected PM.

They sure borrow PAGES out of Goebbel's playbook of accusing your detractors of doing exactly what you are doing to deflect. It's scary and erie.
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(06-19-2019 04:38 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Too soon to tell, but I wonder if Trump could actually win the popular vote this time?

I think there are people that won't admit openly to pollsters that they like and will vote for Trump. It's a possibility, I mean, reality tv is huge now.
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2020 may very well be the nations 2006 Michigan governor's election. Back then it was the Dems to lose and Repubs to win. However, Dickie Devos was not the right candidate. In fact, almost any Repub other than Dickie would have won. Granholm won.

Circumstances are not the same but this is the Dems presidency to win and the Repubs to lose. However, putting up the wrong candidate will issure 4 more years of tRump. The sheer number of early entrants from Dems is not a positive sign. It is an indication the party lacks identity and vision.

Of course, if the tariffs cause the economy to crash and the market to take a nose dive, it won't matter. The administrations shell game will be exposed and the Dems will win.

IMHO for what's it worth
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