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RE: Realignment/Possible Liberty Future
(09-10-2021 04:05 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  
(09-08-2021 11:29 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Liberty is my 2nd favorite team. From a Marshall perspective I would love to share a conference with Liberty. From the viewpoint of a Liberty fan I say no way. I truly think Liberty can become the eastern version of BYU, and to be honest, even bigger as there are com way more Christians in this countrypared to Mormons.

The ONLY appeal to joining a conference is the opportunity for the Access Bowl. If they do go ahead and expand the CFP to include the 6 highest ranked conference champions then I think Liberty should go ahead and join a conference if possible. The auto bid to playoffs is worth it.

Pretty sure Mormons are christian.

Mormons may consider themselves Christian but Christian's in Catholic and Protestant churches do not...
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(09-10-2021 04:46 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 04:05 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  
(09-08-2021 11:29 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Liberty is my 2nd favorite team. From a Marshall perspective I would love to share a conference with Liberty. From the viewpoint of a Liberty fan I say no way. I truly think Liberty can become the eastern version of BYU, and to be honest, even bigger as there are com way more Christians in this countrypared to Mormons.

The ONLY appeal to joining a conference is the opportunity for the Access Bowl. If they do go ahead and expand the CFP to include the 6 highest ranked conference champions then I think Liberty should go ahead and join a conference if possible. The auto bid to playoffs is worth it.

Pretty sure Mormons are christian.

Mormons may consider themselves Christian but Christian's in Catholic and Protestant churches do not...

Pretty much.
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Rumor is the Sun Belt will go on the offensive and add a pair of football playing members. Current speculation is Marshall and Southern Miss. If true, I think that's an overall win for them and C-USA won't be too hurt as they will be down to 12 members. Southern Miss is so far gone from their heyday that I think they are permanently damaged. They have just too much competition with all the former FCS members that have moved up in their region. There is a reason the AAC is comprised with former C-USA schools and they passed over Southern Miss. Marshall is good and will complement the conference.
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RE: Realignment/Possible Liberty Future
(09-10-2021 06:59 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Rumor is the Sun Belt will go on the offensive and add a pair of football playing members. Current speculation is Marshall and Southern Miss. If true, I think that's an overall win for them and C-USA won't be too hurt as they will be down to 12 members. Southern Miss is so far gone from their heyday that I think they are permanently damaged. They have just too much competition with all the former FCS members that have moved up in their region. There is a reason the AAC is comprised with former C-USA schools and they passed over Southern Miss. Marshall is good and will complement the conference.

I wouldn't say Liberty isn't on the list. I just don't know where on it they would be. Would Liberty even actually consider the Belt this time around though? I like Liberty and almost went there to pursue a Master's degree but chose a school more local to where I now live. Like I said in other threads I didn't care for JF Jr. Adding Liberty, Marshall, and either JMU or ODU to the East and adding Southern Miss and moving Troy to the West would make for some good competition and fun games that's for sure.

I think Liberty has potential to grow into a big time athletic program though.
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(09-11-2021 01:20 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 06:59 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Rumor is the Sun Belt will go on the offensive and add a pair of football playing members. Current speculation is Marshall and Southern Miss. If true, I think that's an overall win for them and C-USA won't be too hurt as they will be down to 12 members. Southern Miss is so far gone from their heyday that I think they are permanently damaged. They have just too much competition with all the former FCS members that have moved up in their region. There is a reason the AAC is comprised with former C-USA schools and they passed over Southern Miss. Marshall is good and will complement the conference.

I wouldn't say Liberty isn't on the list. I just don't know where on it they would be. Would Liberty even actually consider the Belt this time around though? I like Liberty and almost went there to pursue a Master's degree but chose a school more local to where I now live. Like I said in other threads I didn't care for JF Jr. Adding Liberty, Marshall, and either JMU or ODU to the East and adding Southern Miss and moving Troy to the West would make for some good competition and fun games that's for sure.

I think Liberty has potential to grow into a big time athletic program though.

Appreciate you're input Troy Fan. Liberty is a great option and would benefit any conference it joins. Of course this is a business, so mostly beneficial to be in the circle than the outsider. Being ostracized. is nothing new in a business that claim to not accept discrimination. It is what it is.
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RE: Realignment/Possible Liberty Future
(09-10-2021 04:46 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 04:05 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  
(09-08-2021 11:29 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Liberty is my 2nd favorite team. From a Marshall perspective I would love to share a conference with Liberty. From the viewpoint of a Liberty fan I say no way. I truly think Liberty can become the eastern version of BYU, and to be honest, even bigger as there are com way more Christians in this countrypared to Mormons.

The ONLY appeal to joining a conference is the opportunity for the Access Bowl. If they do go ahead and expand the CFP to include the 6 highest ranked conference champions then I think Liberty should go ahead and join a conference if possible. The auto bid to playoffs is worth it.

Pretty sure Mormons are christian.

Mormons may consider themselves Christian but Christian's in Catholic and Protestant churches do not...

evangelical christians don't consider catholics christian either.
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RE: Realignment/Possible Liberty Future
(09-13-2021 11:46 AM)VB Monarch Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 04:46 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 04:05 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  
(09-08-2021 11:29 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Liberty is my 2nd favorite team. From a Marshall perspective I would love to share a conference with Liberty. From the viewpoint of a Liberty fan I say no way. I truly think Liberty can become the eastern version of BYU, and to be honest, even bigger as there are com way more Christians in this countrypared to Mormons.

The ONLY appeal to joining a conference is the opportunity for the Access Bowl. If they do go ahead and expand the CFP to include the 6 highest ranked conference champions then I think Liberty should go ahead and join a conference if possible. The auto bid to playoffs is worth it.

Pretty sure Mormons are christian.

Mormons may consider themselves Christian but Christian's in Catholic and Protestant churches do not...

evangelical christians don't consider catholics christian either.

Not true. Their concern is in regard to Catholic practices not supported by the Scriptures. Saints are one example, the Pope being Holy is another, or any human being holy. Much of these beliefs were created in the conversion of the superstitious Romans and not the Scriptures .
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RE: Realignment/Possible Liberty Future
(09-13-2021 11:46 AM)VB Monarch Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 04:46 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 04:05 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  
(09-08-2021 11:29 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Liberty is my 2nd favorite team. From a Marshall perspective I would love to share a conference with Liberty. From the viewpoint of a Liberty fan I say no way. I truly think Liberty can become the eastern version of BYU, and to be honest, even bigger as there are com way more Christians in this countrypared to Mormons.

The ONLY appeal to joining a conference is the opportunity for the Access Bowl. If they do go ahead and expand the CFP to include the 6 highest ranked conference champions then I think Liberty should go ahead and join a conference if possible. The auto bid to playoffs is worth it.

Pretty sure Mormons are christian.

Mormons may consider themselves Christian but Christian's in Catholic and Protestant churches do not...

evangelical christians don't consider catholics christian either.

I wouldn't quite say that. I don't think evangelical Christians consider all Protestants or Catholics Christians. Depends on what they believe. Barna Research Group had a survey years ago that described what we would say is a "born again Christian." Only 2/3 of Protestants agreed with it and only 1/3 of Catholics. I think an evangelical would not look at those who disagreed as probably being Christians.
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Interesting thread.

As a Tulane fan, I would personally welcome Liberty to AAC either as a football-only or as an all-sports member. Not, however, as a non-football member. Football would absolutely have to be part of the deal.

Unfortunately, the religious/political factors are just too hot to handle for many of the presidents/chancellors who would make this decision, from an AAC standpoint.

I have a strong suspicion that C-USA is about to be picked apart, and possibly be cut down to 7-8-9 teams. If that actually happens, LU will have a good chance to join C-USA if it wants to. But of course, if C-USA gets cut down like that, it may not be an appealing destination.

Whatever happens, good luck to the Flames. Very impressive W in Birmingham the other day.
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(10-05-2021 07:31 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Interesting thread.

As a Tulane fan, I would personally welcome Liberty to AAC either as a football-only or as an all-sports member. Not, however, as a non-football member. Football would absolutely have to be part of the deal.

Unfortunately, the religious/political factors are just too hot to handle for many of the presidents/chancellors who would make this decision, from an AAC standpoint.

I have a strong suspicion that C-USA is about to be picked apart, and possibly be cut down to 7-8-9 teams. If that actually happens, LU will have a good chance to join C-USA if it wants to. But of course, if C-USA gets cut down like that, it may not be an appealing destination.

Whatever happens, good luck to the Flames. Very impressive W in Birmingham the other day.

The only bad thing about the CUSA is if we got invited and accepted it I would have a harder time finding the games. I don't speak for LU but depending on how everything happens we could very well turn down a invite from CUSA.
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(10-06-2021 06:26 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(10-05-2021 07:31 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Interesting thread.

As a Tulane fan, I would personally welcome Liberty to AAC either as a football-only or as an all-sports member. Not, however, as a non-football member. Football would absolutely have to be part of the deal.

Unfortunately, the religious/political factors are just too hot to handle for many of the presidents/chancellors who would make this decision, from an AAC standpoint.

I have a strong suspicion that C-USA is about to be picked apart, and possibly be cut down to 7-8-9 teams. If that actually happens, LU will have a good chance to join C-USA if it wants to. But of course, if C-USA gets cut down like that, it may not be an appealing destination.

Whatever happens, good luck to the Flames. Very impressive W in Birmingham the other day.

The only bad thing about the CUSA is if we got invited and accepted it I would have a harder time finding the games. I don't speak for LU but depending on how everything happens we could very well turn down a invite from CUSA.

The tv contract is about to be up for renewal so hopefully our new tv executive hire can earn his money. Finding games is a bit annoying.
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We have to hope the Sun Belt does not take Southern Miss and Marshall and stop there. That is the worst outcome for us being in a conference. If they take So. Miss, Marshall, Liberty, and JMU, fine. Or if Conference USA keeps their 8 teams and takes Liberty and JMU, fine.
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(10-19-2021 08:35 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  We have to hope the Sun Belt does not take Southern Miss and Marshall and stop there. That is the worst outcome for us being in a conference. If they take So. Miss, Marshall, Liberty, and JMU, fine. Or if Conference USA keeps their 8 teams and takes Liberty and JMU, fine.
Would you like to see LU in the new (smaller) CUSA conference?

A ND type deal would be okay. 5 CUSA games in football and all other sports in the conference. That would give some stability to football and hopefully a better all around conference for other sports. I don't think they would take that deal unless it helps balance a football-only member (think UMass or UConn).

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(10-19-2021 08:35 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  We have to hope the Sun Belt does not take Southern Miss and Marshall and stop there. That is the worst outcome for us being in a conference. If they take So. Miss, Marshall, Liberty, and JMU, fine. Or if Conference USA keeps their 8 teams and takes Liberty and JMU, fine.

I'd prefer not to join a G5 conference for football. If an upgrade over the ASUN presents itself for non football, I'd take that too but I think we're here for the long haul.
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I’m willing to bet we would turn down a Sun Belt/CUSA if one was to happen. We were AAC or bust and that didn’t happen. We like being independent and having our own media rights.
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Southern Miss looks like they are moving to the Sun Belt. They need something to change because they are in a downward spiral. They've been hurt with all the FCS move ups, particularly in their region. In addition, their former conference mates moved along to the AAC.

Speaking of the AAC, I just don't understand what they are doing. I like the additions of UTSA and FAU. They would have been on my list if I made one for the American. UAB killed football recently so while things are good for now, I can't trust that they will have the support for the future. Charlotte is all potential and very minimal results thus far. Rice is garbage in practically every sport but baseball and has so few students and alumni that their support will likely never get better. North Texas is a good addition but overlaps SMU. They are too close that they compete with each other instead of complimenting each other. If SMU leaves, I like it better. I would have added UTSA, FAU, Marshall, and App State.

Speaking of Marshall, they are expected to be the 12th and final Sun Belt member. I think they will stop at 12 but you never know. Western Kentucky looks like the obvious 13th but #14 is a big question.
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Realignment/Possible Liberty Future
Lots of movement and potential movement.
SBC might add Marshall and So Miss.
MAC seems to be in talks with WKU and MTSU.

CUSA might be in deep trouble depending on how this goes.

Is it worth a full add to CUSA?
Maybe olympic sports only with an indy like UMass or UConn as football only to counterbalance?

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(10-21-2021 09:16 AM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  Lots of movement and potential movement.
SBC might add Marshall and So Miss.
MAC seems to be in talks with WKU and MTSU.

CUSA might be in deep trouble depending on how this goes.

Is it worth a full add to CUSA?
Maybe olympic sports only with an indy like UMass or UConn as football only to counterbalance?

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My initial take is independent football looks better than full member CUSA.
I would like to know the money situation being in CUSA versus Indy-FB/ASUN. That likely depends on who stays.

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(10-21-2021 09:21 AM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  
(10-21-2021 09:16 AM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  Lots of movement and potential movement.
SBC might add Marshall and So Miss.
MAC seems to be in talks with WKU and MTSU.

CUSA might be in deep trouble depending on how this goes.

Is it worth a full add to CUSA?
Maybe olympic sports only with an indy like UMass or UConn as football only to counterbalance?

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My initial take is independent football looks better than full member CUSA.
I would like to know the money situation being in CUSA versus Indy-FB/ASUN. That likely depends on who stays.

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First, I think SBC should consider Liberty if they want a Va school. I don't think they will stop their prejudice against Liberty.

Moving to CUSA I believe will increase CFP money. Next the positioning for Liberty being a conference champ verse Independent does have more benefits. Also, CUSA would still be at the CFP table. The question, what happens to bowls with next CFP contract? I do think Liberty would be top dog in CUSA and that carries benefits.

I have no idea what ESPN pays for Liberty but I also get staying independent if it makes sense.
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(10-21-2021 05:28 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(10-21-2021 09:21 AM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  
(10-21-2021 09:16 AM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  Lots of movement and potential movement.
SBC might add Marshall and So Miss.
MAC seems to be in talks with WKU and MTSU.

CUSA might be in deep trouble depending on how this goes.

Is it worth a full add to CUSA?
Maybe olympic sports only with an indy like UMass or UConn as football only to counterbalance?

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My initial take is independent football looks better than full member CUSA.
I would like to know the money situation being in CUSA versus Indy-FB/ASUN. That likely depends on who stays.

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First, I think SBC should consider Liberty if they want a Va school. I don't think they will stop their prejudice against Liberty.

Moving to CUSA I believe will increase CFP money. Next the positioning for Liberty being a conference champ verse Independent does have more benefits. Also, CUSA would still be at the CFP table. The question, what happens to bowls with next CFP contract? I do think Liberty would be top dog in CUSA and that carries benefits.

I have no idea what ESPN pays for Liberty but I also get staying independent if it makes sense.

I don't care about CFP money, or media deal money for that matter. I care about exposure. I want the most visible program for the most amount of people to watch. I want games on Saturdays. We don't need money as bad as others. The better exposure and times will give us more opportunities for long-term money and I'd risk the short-term benefits.

Also, I think it would be harder to be the top G5 conference champion to get the auto bid to they playoffs based on the leftover C-USA schools and who is available for backfill than it would be for getting an at large spot to the other six vacancies.
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