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RE: Period of Prosperity for the Big 12?
(06-21-2019 01:06 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  UT fans I know have been carping about this their terrible conference schedule for years now.

They don’t care about games with Tech or Baylor or Okie Lite or KSU and OU will never be played at DKR

That’s why they’re scheduling so many big name name opponents now (especially from the SEC) to sell home game tickets but still remain in a conference that is totally dependent on them for survival as a P league

That's it. Texas values domination, dependency, and control beyond the athletic teams. One school, one vote, is not enough for them. Controlling votes is what matters more.
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RE: Period of Prosperity for the Big 12?
(06-22-2019 09:39 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 01:06 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  UT fans I know have been carping about this their terrible conference schedule for years now.

They don’t care about games with Tech or Baylor or Okie Lite or KSU and OU will never be played at DKR

That’s why they’re scheduling so many big name name opponents now (especially from the SEC) to sell home game tickets but still remain in a conference that is totally dependent on them for survival as a P league

That's it. Texas values domination, dependency, and control beyond the athletic teams. One school, one vote, is not enough for them. Controlling votes is what matters more.
Then they should poach North Carolina when Oklahoma leaves. Those two schools are just alike. North Carolina replaces Kansas in hoops so with 1 hoops bell cow and 1 football bell cow they can live in their own worlds within the same conference. Texas can keep T.C.U. and Baylor, North Carolina can keep Duke and Wake Forest and then Louisville and West Virginia can be added to Oklahoma State and Kansas State, Iowa State, Texas Tech, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse.

The SEC adds Florida State, Clemson, N.C. State and Virginia Tech to move to 18.
The Big 10 adds Kansas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame and Virginia to move to 18.

And your new Big 12 looks like this:
Baylor, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech
Miami, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia
Iowa State, Louisville, Kansas State, Oklahoma State
Duke, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Wake Forest

Add Cincinnati and B.Y.U. and it looks like this:

Baylor, B.Y.U., Oklahoma State, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech
Cincinnati, Iowa State, Louisville, Kansas State, Pittsburgh, West Virginia
Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Syracuse, Wake Forest.

The SEC becomes:
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M
Alabama, Auburn, Florida State, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Clemson, Florida, Georgia, N.C. State, South Carolina, Virginia Tech

The B1G becomes:
Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Wisconsin
Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State
Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers, Virginia

Now in that ideal world wouldn't we all be better off by placing the two narcissist schools together with their groupies and the more dependent P5 schools?
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RE: Period of Prosperity for the Big 12?
NC State has a tad of that Texas A&M syndrome working. Being under the NC University Governance Board System, escaping the structural ties would require major upheaval. NCSU would make a decent SEC addition if penetrating North Carolina remains a goal.
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(06-22-2019 10:19 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 09:39 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 01:06 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  UT fans I know have been carping about this their terrible conference schedule for years now.

They don’t care about games with Tech or Baylor or Okie Lite or KSU and OU will never be played at DKR

That’s why they’re scheduling so many big name name opponents now (especially from the SEC) to sell home game tickets but still remain in a conference that is totally dependent on them for survival as a P league

That's it. Texas values domination, dependency, and control beyond the athletic teams. One school, one vote, is not enough for them. Controlling votes is what matters more.
Then they should poach North Carolina when Oklahoma leaves. Those two schools are just alike. North Carolina replaces Kansas in hoops so with 1 hoops bell cow and 1 football bell cow they can live in their own worlds within the same conference...

IMO the ACC would actually be STRONGER if the only change was UNC to the Big XII. Better yet, UNC + Duke to the Big XII in exchange for WVU to the ACC...
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(06-23-2019 10:00 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 10:19 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 09:39 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 01:06 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  UT fans I know have been carping about this their terrible conference schedule for years now.

They don’t care about games with Tech or Baylor or Okie Lite or KSU and OU will never be played at DKR

That’s why they’re scheduling so many big name name opponents now (especially from the SEC) to sell home game tickets but still remain in a conference that is totally dependent on them for survival as a P league

That's it. Texas values domination, dependency, and control beyond the athletic teams. One school, one vote, is not enough for them. Controlling votes is what matters more.
Then they should poach North Carolina when Oklahoma leaves. Those two schools are just alike. North Carolina replaces Kansas in hoops so with 1 hoops bell cow and 1 football bell cow they can live in their own worlds within the same conference...

IMO the ACC would actually be STRONGER if the only change was UNC to the Big XII. Better yet, UNC + Duke to the Big XII in exchange for WVU to the ACC...

Mark they are the two most toxic programs to their conferences out there and their groveling in state toadies don't help a bit.
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Everyone keep your ears on. There was a tweet today that essentially said that UCLA super donor Casey Wasserman advised the Bruins not to renew when the media rights deal is up for the PAC. I've seen one source and want to see verification, but it is interesting and could have a profound impact upon the Big 12. The odd thing here is they think he is trying to steer U.C.L.A. to the ACC. While I have profound doubts about that it nonetheless would be a significant enough move that it could shake things loose with the PAC and benefit the Big 12.

What if indeed their pipe dream came true and Arizona, Arizona State, U.S.C., and UCLA aligned with them in 2025? Perhaps even with a Colorado and Utah? They would be a viable 16 member super conference overnight.

Lots of possibilities here to explore.

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Colorado, Iowa State
Arizona, Arizona State, California, Cal Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington

The above alignment would have to be the ideal. That would leave W.V.U. and T.C.U., Oregon State, Washington State, Utah, and Baylor on the outs. Particularly if they used their mutual expiration of media rights to be able to create a new conference and to kill both of the old ones. That conference would be able to compete financially with the SEC and Big 10.

It would leave the ACC solidly in 4th place.
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(06-24-2019 02:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Everyone keep your ears on. There was a tweet today that essentially said that UCLA super donor Casey Wasserman advised the Bruins not to renew when the media rights deal is up for the PAC. I've seen one source and want to see verification, but it is interesting and could have a profound impact upon the Big 12. The odd thing here is they think he is trying to steer U.C.L.A. to the ACC. While I have profound doubts about that it nonetheless would be a significant enough move that it could shake things loose with the PAC and benefit the Big 12.

What if indeed their pipe dream came true and Arizona, Arizona State, U.S.C., and UCLA aligned with them in 2025? Perhaps even with a Colorado and Utah? They would be a viable 16 member super conference overnight.

Lots of possibilities here to explore.

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Colorado
Arizona, Arizona State, California, Cal Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington

The above alignment would have to be the ideal. That would leave W.V.U. and T.C.U., Oregon State, Washington State, Utah, and Baylor on the outs. Particularly if they used their mutual expiration of media rights to be able to create a new conference and to kill both of the old ones. That conference would be able to compete financially with the SEC and Big 10.

It would leave the ACC solidly in 4th place.

You also left Iowa State out. I tend to think they would make the cut instead of KSU because it adds a state that watches a lot of college sports and they are AAU for academics.
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(06-25-2019 02:42 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  
(06-24-2019 02:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Everyone keep your ears on. There was a tweet today that essentially said that UCLA super donor Casey Wasserman advised the Bruins not to renew when the media rights deal is up for the PAC. I've seen one source and want to see verification, but it is interesting and could have a profound impact upon the Big 12. The odd thing here is they think he is trying to steer U.C.L.A. to the ACC. While I have profound doubts about that it nonetheless would be a significant enough move that it could shake things loose with the PAC and benefit the Big 12.

What if indeed their pipe dream came true and Arizona, Arizona State, U.S.C., and UCLA aligned with them in 2025? Perhaps even with a Colorado and Utah? They would be a viable 16 member super conference overnight.

Lots of possibilities here to explore.

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Colorado
Arizona, Arizona State, California, Cal Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington

The above alignment would have to be the ideal. That would leave W.V.U. and T.C.U., Oregon State, Washington State, Utah, and Baylor on the outs. Particularly if they used their mutual expiration of media rights to be able to create a new conference and to kill both of the old ones. That conference would be able to compete financially with the SEC and Big 10.

It would leave the ACC solidly in 4th place.

You also left Iowa State out. I tend to think they would make the cut instead of KSU because it adds a state that watches a lot of college sports and they are AAU for academics.

No they both should be in there. You'll note there are only 7 listed in the East. The 8th was to be Iowa State.
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