(06-11-2019 12:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This guy...

lol....its folded. Now TDS sufferers can see through folded paper held on edge at 10 yards. You guys have totally lost your crap. If your really want to see a blank sheet of paper, look at whats left of the Russia Russia Russia FISA request when you remove the fake dossier.

(06-11-2019 02:38 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 02:23 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 10:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 10:16 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 09:34 AM)VA49er Wrote:  If anything, it's D's reactions since the election that is creating this "cult" he's alluding to. So basically it's their own fault. I know for sure back in 2016 I didn't consider voting for Tump, now for 2020 that's very likely. That's mostly due to the D's reactions since the 2016 election.

He calls it a cult because of the media. It's not. There is zero resemblance to a cult. If you actually stop and think about it instead of just listening to the press, you will see there is no cult.

Even Obama supporters were a stretch to call a cult. However, there were kids in elementary schools being taught chants and songs about Obama. That's way closer to a cult than anything we have seen with Trump.

Obama's entire election success was attributable to his cult of personality and the rock star status he enjoyed from his fawning base. There is nothing more suitable to define his presidency as this definition of cult of personality: a situation in which a public figure (such as a political leader) is deliberately presented to the people of a country as a great person who should be admired and loved.

Or, if you prefer, which I do, Wikipedia's description: A cult of personality arises when a country's regime – or, more rarely, an individual politician – uses the techniques of mass media, propaganda, the big lie, spectacle, the arts, patriotism, and government-organized demonstrations and rallies to create an idealized, heroic, and worshipful image of a leader, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.

Wow that sounds like every one of Trump's rallies.

Remind me again, how many rallies did Obama have while President?

He didn't need rallies, he had the MSM. That was virtually an 8 year rally.

Ridiculous...and trump has fox. And in case you forgot, the "MSM" carried nearly every one of trump's campaign rallies.

(06-11-2019 02:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 12:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This guy...

lol....its folded. Now TDS sufferers can see through folded paper held on edge at 10 yards. You guys have totally lost your crap. If your really want to see a blank sheet of paper, look at whats left of the Russia Russia Russia FISA request when you remove the fake dossier.

Actually, upon further research, there was something on the paper. An apparent agreement to have a possible agreement in 45 days. There's no end to the genius that is trump.

(06-11-2019 03:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 02:38 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 02:23 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 10:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 10:16 AM)Claw Wrote:  He calls it a cult because of the media. It's not. There is zero resemblance to a cult. If you actually stop and think about it instead of just listening to the press, you will see there is no cult.

Even Obama supporters were a stretch to call a cult. However, there were kids in elementary schools being taught chants and songs about Obama. That's way closer to a cult than anything we have seen with Trump.

Obama's entire election success was attributable to his cult of personality and the rock star status he enjoyed from his fawning base. There is nothing more suitable to define his presidency as this definition of cult of personality: a situation in which a public figure (such as a political leader) is deliberately presented to the people of a country as a great person who should be admired and loved.

Or, if you prefer, which I do, Wikipedia's description: A cult of personality arises when a country's regime – or, more rarely, an individual politician – uses the techniques of mass media, propaganda, the big lie, spectacle, the arts, patriotism, and government-organized demonstrations and rallies to create an idealized, heroic, and worshipful image of a leader, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.

Wow that sounds like every one of Trump's rallies.

Remind me again, how many rallies did Obama have while President?

He didn't need rallies, he had the MSM. That was virtually an 8 year rally.

Ridiculous...and trump has fox. And in case you forgot, the "MSM" carried nearly every one of trump's campaign rallies.

lol, I don't watch FOX however one versus everyone else doesn't seem like a fair fight. Good for Fox.

Yes, the MSM carried nearly every one of Trump's campaign rallies; but EVERYONE knows it wasn't to give him exposure.

(06-11-2019 02:23 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 10:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 10:16 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 09:34 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 09:31 AM)Claw Wrote:  That's zero evidence of a "cult".

I't not a cult because people approve of what he is doing.

If anything, it's D's reactions since the election that is creating this "cult" he's alluding to. So basically it's their own fault. I know for sure back in 2016 I didn't consider voting for Tump, now for 2020 that's very likely. That's mostly due to the D's reactions since the 2016 election.

He calls it a cult because of the media. It's not. There is zero resemblance to a cult. If you actually stop and think about it instead of just listening to the press, you will see there is no cult.

Even Obama supporters were a stretch to call a cult. However, there were kids in elementary schools being taught chants and songs about Obama. That's way closer to a cult than anything we have seen with Trump.

Obama's entire election success was attributable to his cult of personality and the rock star status he enjoyed from his fawning base. There is nothing more suitable to define his presidency as this definition of cult of personality: a situation in which a public figure (such as a political leader) is deliberately presented to the people of a country as a great person who should be admired and loved.

Or, if you prefer, which I do, Wikipedia's description: A cult of personality arises when a country's regime – or, more rarely, an individual politician – uses the techniques of mass media, propaganda, the big lie, spectacle, the arts, patriotism, and government-organized demonstrations and rallies to create an idealized, heroic, and worshipful image of a leader, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.

Wow that sounds like every one of Trump's rallies.

Remind me again, how many rallies did Obama have while President?

Using the Wiki as guide (I did not pick it)
Techniques
Mass media - No. Overwhelmingly anti-Trump
Propaganda - No Can't do that effectively if the mass media is not cooperative
The Big Lie - Draw Depends entirely on your perspective as to who is the bigger liar.
Spectacle - Conceded The rallies are spectacle.
The Arts - No. All anti-Trump
Patriotism - Conceded.
Government Organized Demonstrations and Rallies - No. Zero. His have been his own, not government funded. July 4th might change that, but until then this is a no.

So the score is:
Trump does: 2 of those things
Trump doesn't do: 4 of those things
Draw: 1

There is no way to declare a cult of personality here. There are't enough aspects of it present.

Anyone who thinks there's a pro-Trump cult of personality has never talked to a Trump voter.

Most Trump voters voted for him with heavy reservations:
Evangelicals hate his personality but like that he agrees with them politically.
Conservative Catholics voted very tepidly for Trump in 2016, and they only support him now because abortion is shaping up to be a keystone issue in 2020.
Most "Never-Trumpers" in swing states ended up voting for Trump in the end.

That leaves the rednecks who like Trump because he spits in the eye of Progressives. That's hardly a "cult of personality;" they just think he's entertaining in the same way that Woke crowds cheer for SNL.

(06-11-2019 03:47 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 02:23 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 10:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 10:16 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 09:34 AM)VA49er Wrote:  If anything, it's D's reactions since the election that is creating this "cult" he's alluding to. So basically it's their own fault. I know for sure back in 2016 I didn't consider voting for Tump, now for 2020 that's very likely. That's mostly due to the D's reactions since the 2016 election.

He calls it a cult because of the media. It's not. There is zero resemblance to a cult. If you actually stop and think about it instead of just listening to the press, you will see there is no cult.

Even Obama supporters were a stretch to call a cult. However, there were kids in elementary schools being taught chants and songs about Obama. That's way closer to a cult than anything we have seen with Trump.

Obama's entire election success was attributable to his cult of personality and the rock star status he enjoyed from his fawning base. There is nothing more suitable to define his presidency as this definition of cult of personality: a situation in which a public figure (such as a political leader) is deliberately presented to the people of a country as a great person who should be admired and loved.

Or, if you prefer, which I do, Wikipedia's description: A cult of personality arises when a country's regime – or, more rarely, an individual politician – uses the techniques of mass media, propaganda, the big lie, spectacle, the arts, patriotism, and government-organized demonstrations and rallies to create an idealized, heroic, and worshipful image of a leader, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.

Wow that sounds like every one of Trump's rallies.

Remind me again, how many rallies did Obama have while President?

Using the Wiki as guide (I did not pick it)
Techniques
Mass media - No. Overwhelmingly anti-Trump
Propaganda - No Can't do that effectively if the mass media is not cooperative
The Big Lie - Draw Depends entirely on your perspective as to who is the bigger liar.
Spectacle - Conceded The rallies are spectacle.
The Arts - No. All anti-Trump
Patriotism - Conceded.
Government Organized Demonstrations and Rallies - No. Zero. His have been his own, not government funded. July 4th might change that, but until then this is a no.

So the score is:
Trump does: 2 of those things
Trump doesn't do: 4 of those things
Draw: 1

There is no way to declare a cult of personality here. There are't enough aspects of it present.

I do appreciate you being reasonable in your response, although I'm not sure I agree with some of your conclusions. Mass media is debatable - many (almost all) of his rallies are covered from start to finish by many large media outlets (such as Fox News). That would go hand in hand with propaganda. The arts is a pretty broad term - I'm not even sure what it's referring to in this case but don't most of the rallies feature music? And then finally I'd argue that a lot of these rallies are government funded. Certainly they feature secret service protection and other security measures that have to be paid by some group. Trump usually promotes his rallies on his official twitter account, which again I'd argue makes it endorsed by the government. Plus most rallies also feature local politicians on the dais.

(06-11-2019 04:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Anyone who thinks there's a pro-Trump cult of personality has never talked to a Trump voter.

Most Trump voters voted for him with heavy reservations:
Evangelicals hate his personality but like that he agrees with them politically.
Conservative Catholics voted very tepidly for Trump in 2016, and they only support him now because abortion is shaping up to be a keystone issue in 2020.
Most "Never-Trumpers" in swing states ended up voting for Trump in the end.

That leaves the rednecks who like Trump because he spits in the eye of Progressives. That's hardly a "cult of personality;" they just think he's entertaining in the same way that Woke crowds cheer for SNL.

To put it another way, Trump can be a tool. But right now he is the tool that is needed. And he may be the only tool out there that can accomplish what has to be done.

(06-11-2019 03:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 02:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 12:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This guy...

lol....its folded. Now TDS sufferers can see through folded paper held on edge at 10 yards. You guys have totally lost your crap. If your really want to see a blank sheet of paper, look at whats left of the Russia Russia Russia FISA request when you remove the fake dossier.

Actually, upon further research, there was something on the paper. An apparent agreement to have a possible agreement in 45 days. There's no end to the genius that is trump.

You're probably reading into this something that it isn't with regard to the 45 days thing. That is more likely to be that Mexico will have a 45 day time frame to display that they are living up to the agreement and if not then the 25% Tariff will be implemented.

(06-11-2019 03:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 02:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 12:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This guy...

lol....its folded. Now TDS sufferers can see through folded paper held on edge at 10 yards. You guys have totally lost your crap. If your really want to see a blank sheet of paper, look at whats left of the Russia Russia Russia FISA request when you remove the fake dossier.

Actually, upon further research, there was something on the paper. An apparent agreement to have a possible agreement in 45 days. There's no end to the genius that is trump.

In other words---the original tweet was completely fake news and a new fake news narrative has arisen out of what can be doped out from looking through a folded peice of paper with that is probably 50% or more obscured....and you wonder why the term "fake news" is now considered to be true by more than 50% of the general public. "Fake News" was not bestowed on the news media----its an honor that was completely earned---and is still being earned. Its unbelievable that the press has allowed their partisanship to undermine the last remnants of trust their profession could be afforded. Very sad.

All of these Trump lying threads get really old.

The man is trying to get an entire country do what he wants them to do. He isn't going to disclose his actual bargaining position or violate their trust. He's trying to sell something in public. That's difficult to do in any case. It is impossible to do without coloring things so your customer looks good.

(06-11-2019 02:23 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 10:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 10:16 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 09:34 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 09:31 AM)Claw Wrote:  That's zero evidence of a "cult".

I't not a cult because people approve of what he is doing.

If anything, it's D's reactions since the election that is creating this "cult" he's alluding to. So basically it's their own fault. I know for sure back in 2016 I didn't consider voting for Tump, now for 2020 that's very likely. That's mostly due to the D's reactions since the 2016 election.

He calls it a cult because of the media. It's not. There is zero resemblance to a cult. If you actually stop and think about it instead of just listening to the press, you will see there is no cult.

Even Obama supporters were a stretch to call a cult. However, there were kids in elementary schools being taught chants and songs about Obama. That's way closer to a cult than anything we have seen with Trump.

Obama's entire election success was attributable to his cult of personality and the rock star status he enjoyed from his fawning base. There is nothing more suitable to define his presidency as this definition of cult of personality: a situation in which a public figure (such as a political leader) is deliberately presented to the people of a country as a great person who should be admired and loved.

Or, if you prefer, which I do, Wikipedia's description: A cult of personality arises when a country's regime – or, more rarely, an individual politician – uses the techniques of mass media, propaganda, the big lie, spectacle, the arts, patriotism, and government-organized demonstrations and rallies to create an idealized, heroic, and worshipful image of a leader, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.

Wow that sounds like every one of Trump's rallies.

Remind me again, how many rallies did Obama have while President?

You just aren't real smart are you. I intentionally left that part "unbolded" because I didn't think it really applied yet that's the one thing you picked out.

“Opinions are like ********, everyone has one but they think each others stink.”

(06-11-2019 04:38 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 03:47 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 02:23 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 10:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 10:16 AM)Claw Wrote:  He calls it a cult because of the media. It's not. There is zero resemblance to a cult. If you actually stop and think about it instead of just listening to the press, you will see there is no cult.

Even Obama supporters were a stretch to call a cult. However, there were kids in elementary schools being taught chants and songs about Obama. That's way closer to a cult than anything we have seen with Trump.

Obama's entire election success was attributable to his cult of personality and the rock star status he enjoyed from his fawning base. There is nothing more suitable to define his presidency as this definition of cult of personality: a situation in which a public figure (such as a political leader) is deliberately presented to the people of a country as a great person who should be admired and loved.

Or, if you prefer, which I do, Wikipedia's description: A cult of personality arises when a country's regime – or, more rarely, an individual politician – uses the techniques of mass media, propaganda, the big lie, spectacle, the arts, patriotism, and government-organized demonstrations and rallies to create an idealized, heroic, and worshipful image of a leader, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.

Wow that sounds like every one of Trump's rallies.

Remind me again, how many rallies did Obama have while President?

Using the Wiki as guide (I did not pick it)
Techniques
Mass media - No. Overwhelmingly anti-Trump
Propaganda - No Can't do that effectively if the mass media is not cooperative
The Big Lie - Draw Depends entirely on your perspective as to who is the bigger liar.
Spectacle - Conceded The rallies are spectacle.
The Arts - No. All anti-Trump
Patriotism - Conceded.
Government Organized Demonstrations and Rallies - No. Zero. His have been his own, not government funded. July 4th might change that, but until then this is a no.

So the score is:
Trump does: 2 of those things
Trump doesn't do: 4 of those things
Draw: 1

There is no way to declare a cult of personality here. There are't enough aspects of it present.

I do appreciate you being reasonable in your response, although I'm not sure I agree with some of your conclusions. Mass media is debatable - many (almost all) of his rallies are covered from start to finish by many large media outlets (such as Fox News). That would go hand in hand with propaganda. The arts is a pretty broad term - I'm not even sure what it's referring to in this case but don't most of the rallies feature music? And then finally I'd argue that a lot of these rallies are government funded. Certainly they feature secret service protection and other security measures that have to be paid by some group. Trump usually promotes his rallies on his official twitter account, which again I'd argue makes it endorsed by the government. Plus most rallies also feature local politicians on the dais.

You understand that these agents are paid regardless of where they report, right? You do understand that this POTUS, like every one before him, travels a lot, right? I know in your mind you'd prefer to see him unprotected but that's not how we treat our leaders, of either party.

(06-11-2019 05:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 04:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Anyone who thinks there's a pro-Trump cult of personality has never talked to a Trump voter.

Most Trump voters voted for him with heavy reservations:
Evangelicals hate his personality but like that he agrees with them politically.
Conservative Catholics voted very tepidly for Trump in 2016, and they only support him now because abortion is shaping up to be a keystone issue in 2020.
Most "Never-Trumpers" in swing states ended up voting for Trump in the end.

That leaves the rednecks who like Trump because he spits in the eye of Progressives. That's hardly a "cult of personality;" they just think he's entertaining in the same way that Woke crowds cheer for SNL.

To put it another way, Trump can be a tool. But right now he is the tool that is needed. And he may be the only tool out there that can accomplish what has to be done.

I honestly believe that had someone else from either party been elected we would still be reminiscing about the good old days instead of actually living them. I think he is 100% the right man for the job that needs done. He's addressed many issues that have been kicked down the road for others to deal with over the last few decades. He may not have fixed them all but he's trying. That alone means a lot.

(06-11-2019 09:00 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  “Opinions are like ********, everyone has one but they think each others stink.”

I know mine stinks. What else ya got?

And my comment was just me being a smartass. I don't honestly think you are an unintelligent person.

(06-11-2019 09:00 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  “Opinions are like ********, everyone has one but they think each others stink.”

Remarkably only A-holes are like A-holes. They get stretched for excrement and aren't intended to have anything inserted in them which is why they naturally lack lubrication.
And all of them stink.

Opinions are a dime a dozen and worth even less most times.

But since you seem to be fixated on A-holes, literally, you need to be reminded that it still doesn't change the nature, or purpose, of one no matter how much stink you raise.

(06-11-2019 04:38 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 03:47 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 02:23 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 10:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 10:16 AM)Claw Wrote:  He calls it a cult because of the media. It's not. There is zero resemblance to a cult. If you actually stop and think about it instead of just listening to the press, you will see there is no cult.

Even Obama supporters were a stretch to call a cult. However, there were kids in elementary schools being taught chants and songs about Obama. That's way closer to a cult than anything we have seen with Trump.

Obama's entire election success was attributable to his cult of personality and the rock star status he enjoyed from his fawning base. There is nothing more suitable to define his presidency as this definition of cult of personality: a situation in which a public figure (such as a political leader) is deliberately presented to the people of a country as a great person who should be admired and loved.

Or, if you prefer, which I do, Wikipedia's description: A cult of personality arises when a country's regime – or, more rarely, an individual politician – uses the techniques of mass media, propaganda, the big lie, spectacle, the arts, patriotism, and government-organized demonstrations and rallies to create an idealized, heroic, and worshipful image of a leader, often through unquestioning flattery and praise.

Wow that sounds like every one of Trump's rallies.

Remind me again, how many rallies did Obama have while President?

Using the Wiki as guide (I did not pick it)
Techniques
Mass media - No. Overwhelmingly anti-Trump
Propaganda - No Can't do that effectively if the mass media is not cooperative
The Big Lie - Draw Depends entirely on your perspective as to who is the bigger liar.
Spectacle - Conceded The rallies are spectacle.
The Arts - No. All anti-Trump
Patriotism - Conceded.
Government Organized Demonstrations and Rallies - No. Zero. His have been his own, not government funded. July 4th might change that, but until then this is a no.

So the score is:
Trump does: 2 of those things
Trump doesn't do: 4 of those things
Draw: 1

There is no way to declare a cult of personality here. There are't enough aspects of it present.

I do appreciate you being reasonable in your response, although I'm not sure I agree with some of your conclusions. Mass media is debatable - many (almost all) of his rallies are covered from start to finish by many large media outlets (such as Fox News). That would go hand in hand with propaganda. The arts is a pretty broad term - I'm not even sure what it's referring to in this case but don't most of the rallies feature music? And then finally I'd argue that a lot of these rallies are government funded. Certainly they feature secret service protection and other security measures that have to be paid by some group. Trump usually promotes his rallies on his official twitter account, which again I'd argue makes it endorsed by the government. Plus most rallies also feature local politicians on the dais.

Think performance art, music and theater. What was that play where everyone was stabbing him? Think political cartoons. Incidentally, speaking of those, I saw where the NYT will stop running political cartoons as they were accused of running anti-Semitic cartoons, which they were, featuring Trump. Just about all of Hollywierd, universities and the elite are as rabidly anti-Trump as anything I've ever seen.

(06-11-2019 05:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 04:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Anyone who thinks there's a pro-Trump cult of personality has never talked to a Trump voter.

Most Trump voters voted for him with heavy reservations:
Evangelicals hate his personality but like that he agrees with them politically.
Conservative Catholics voted very tepidly for Trump in 2016, and they only support him now because abortion is shaping up to be a keystone issue in 2020.
Most "Never-Trumpers" in swing states ended up voting for Trump in the end.

That leaves the rednecks who like Trump because he spits in the eye of Progressives. That's hardly a "cult of personality;" they just think he's entertaining in the same way that Woke crowds cheer for SNL.

To put it another way, Trump can be a tool. But right now he is the tool that is needed. And he may be the only tool out there that can accomplish what has to be done.

This really explains it all.

(06-11-2019 08:49 PM)Claw Wrote:  All of these Trump lying threads get really old.

The man is trying to get an entire country do what he wants them to do. He isn't going to disclose his actual bargaining position or violate their trust. He's trying to sell something in public. That's difficult to do in any case. It is impossible to do without coloring things so your customer looks good.

I'm outraged.