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(06-07-2019 05:04 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
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(06-07-2019 08:23 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  This article isn't wrong, but it is a sloppy opinion piece. No quotes from AD's. No wording from contracts. And, it left out the most obvious factor of all... P5's don't want to schedule home and home series with UCF because most would lose both games in such a series.

Not sure why you would say that. In the past four seasons, UCF's record vs P5 opponents is:

2018: 1-1
2017: 2-0
2016: 0-2
2015: 0-2

So any UCF player who just graduated or otherwise finished his eligibility went 3-5 vs P5 teams.

The three wins were against 4-8 Maryland, 9-4 Auburn, and 7-7 Pitt. Not exactly a murderer's row.

If you want to extend it back to 2013, so as to bring in the Fiesta Bowl winning season and the entirety of their time in the AAC, their record is:

2014: 0-3
2013: 2-1

Overall, since joining the AAC, the Golden Knights are 5-9 vs P5 opponents. So i'm not sure why most would be shivering at the prospect of playing UCF.

I'm talking about the last 2 season.
In 2016 UCF was not the program they are now. They were a 6-7 program that lost their bowl game to Arkansas State.

Sure LSU took care of them in their bowl last year. But like I said, right now there are only a handful of P5's that could beat them.

But why would you look at just the last two seasons, as if that very small slice of time defines who UCF has been or is likely to be going forward?
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(06-07-2019 05:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 05:04 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 04:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 08:23 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  This article isn't wrong, but it is a sloppy opinion piece. No quotes from AD's. No wording from contracts. And, it left out the most obvious factor of all... P5's don't want to schedule home and home series with UCF because most would lose both games in such a series.

Not sure why you would say that. In the past four seasons, UCF's record vs P5 opponents is:

2018: 1-1
2017: 2-0
2016: 0-2
2015: 0-2

So any UCF player who just graduated or otherwise finished his eligibility went 3-5 vs P5 teams.

The three wins were against 4-8 Maryland, 9-4 Auburn, and 7-7 Pitt. Not exactly a murderer's row.

If you want to extend it back to 2013, so as to bring in the Fiesta Bowl winning season and the entirety of their time in the AAC, their record is:

2014: 0-3
2013: 2-1

Overall, since joining the AAC, the Golden Knights are 5-9 vs P5 opponents. So i'm not sure why most would be shivering at the prospect of playing UCF.

I'm talking about the last 2 season.
In 2016 UCF was not the program they are now. They were a 6-7 program that lost their bowl game to Arkansas State.

Sure LSU took care of them in their bowl last year. But like I said, right now there are only a handful of P5's that could beat them.

But why would you look at just the last two seasons, as if that very small slice of time defines who UCF has been or is likely to be going forward?

Because it is who they are right now. The past won't take the field for them in 2019.
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(06-07-2019 04:43 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 04:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 08:23 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  This article isn't wrong, but it is a sloppy opinion piece. No quotes from AD's. No wording from contracts. And, it left out the most obvious factor of all... P5's don't want to schedule home and home series with UCF because most would lose both games in such a series.

I do not like the 2 for 1 deals, or the body-bag games. That is scheduling to stay afloat. G5 programs should be scheduling to become more relevant. Anything less is willingly submitting to a lower brand of college football.

Painting with a very broad brush there.

Clemson isn't going to schedule a home and home with UCF for the simple fact that it provides absolutely no benefit for Clemson. We make more money playing P5 teams OOC than we would ever make playing UCF, and we get all the Florida exposure we need playing FSU every year. Besides, why would we give them a home and home when we can get a buy game from one of their conference mates? (UConn in 2021)

Right now there are about 10 to maybe 15 programs that can handle UCF, and Clemson is certainly one. But, most P5 programs have no interest in playing them because they would probably lose.

As I stated in my previous post, I am totally against signing "body-bag" and "2 for 1" games. North Texas no longer signs those types of games, and our schedules will be much better for it in a few seasons. Our AD has successfully signed home and home series with Cal, Texas Tech, and Baylor. I'll take those types of series over whoring out our program to the likes of Texas and Oklahoma every season.

I’d put the number of P5 teams that can beat them higher than that. An essentially crippled LSU handled them in the bowl last season.
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(06-07-2019 05:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 04:43 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 04:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 08:23 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  This article isn't wrong, but it is a sloppy opinion piece. No quotes from AD's. No wording from contracts. And, it left out the most obvious factor of all... P5's don't want to schedule home and home series with UCF because most would lose both games in such a series.

I do not like the 2 for 1 deals, or the body-bag games. That is scheduling to stay afloat. G5 programs should be scheduling to become more relevant. Anything less is willingly submitting to a lower brand of college football.

Painting with a very broad brush there.

Clemson isn't going to schedule a home and home with UCF for the simple fact that it provides absolutely no benefit for Clemson. We make more money playing P5 teams OOC than we would ever make playing UCF, and we get all the Florida exposure we need playing FSU every year. Besides, why would we give them a home and home when we can get a buy game from one of their conference mates? (UConn in 2021)

Right now there are about 10 to maybe 15 programs that can handle UCF, and Clemson is certainly one. But, most P5 programs have no interest in playing them because they would probably lose.

As I stated in my previous post, I am totally against signing "body-bag" and "2 for 1" games. North Texas no longer signs those types of games, and our schedules will be much better for it in a few seasons. Our AD has successfully signed home and home series with Cal, Texas Tech, and Baylor. I'll take those types of series over whoring out our program to the likes of Texas and Oklahoma every season.

I’d put the number of P5 teams that can beat them higher than that. An essentially crippled LSU handled them in the bowl last season.


Yes I'm sure. UCF without their starting QB an LSU just getting the w sure sounds like you're right.
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Cincy has been able to schedule a few home-and-home series with Ohio State, but then Ohio State always finds a way to later buy their way out of playing in Cincy. OSU played in Cincy in 2002, trailed for most of the game, was very lucky to escape with a narrow win, and went on to win the national championship. By buying us out, OSU gets to enjoy a home field advantage, and Cincy gets paid handsomely to assuage their fears.

I think the surest way to get OSU to play in Cincy would be to beat them in Columbus, hopefully this coming September. If that were to happen, OSU would certainly want revenge. Or would they?

After UC beat OSU in the NCAA finals in '61 and '62, the Buckeyes refused to play us again in basketball for decades.
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RE: Interesting Article: The Economics Of Scheduling In The AAC
(06-07-2019 05:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 04:43 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 04:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 08:23 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  This article isn't wrong, but it is a sloppy opinion piece. No quotes from AD's. No wording from contracts. And, it left out the most obvious factor of all... P5's don't want to schedule home and home series with UCF because most would lose both games in such a series.

I do not like the 2 for 1 deals, or the body-bag games. That is scheduling to stay afloat. G5 programs should be scheduling to become more relevant. Anything less is willingly submitting to a lower brand of college football.

Painting with a very broad brush there.

Clemson isn't going to schedule a home and home with UCF for the simple fact that it provides absolutely no benefit for Clemson. We make more money playing P5 teams OOC than we would ever make playing UCF, and we get all the Florida exposure we need playing FSU every year. Besides, why would we give them a home and home when we can get a buy game from one of their conference mates? (UConn in 2021)

Right now there are about 10 to maybe 15 programs that can handle UCF, and Clemson is certainly one. But, most P5 programs have no interest in playing them because they would probably lose.

As I stated in my previous post, I am totally against signing "body-bag" and "2 for 1" games. North Texas no longer signs those types of games, and our schedules will be much better for it in a few seasons. Our AD has successfully signed home and home series with Cal, Texas Tech, and Baylor. I'll take those types of series over whoring out our program to the likes of Texas and Oklahoma every season.

I’d put the number of P5 teams that can beat them higher than that. An essentially crippled LSU handled a crippled UCF in the bowl last season.

Fixed for you. That said---I agree with you that there are plenty of P5 teams that can beat them. They are also dangerous enough that there are few teams I would say are guaranteed to beat them.
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(06-07-2019 10:26 AM)usffan Wrote:  Despite all the pearl clutching and finger pointing, it seems USF isn't preventing non P5 schools from getting home and home series with P5 schools...



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Depends on if that 2032 game is ever played or not...

(06-07-2019 11:36 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  AAC teams have no trouble getting home-and-home games with low-end P5s.

But when an AAC team with a 45,000 seat stadium wants to play Alabama or Notre Dame, why would anyone expect a home-and-home?

Notre Dame is giving UC $1.2 million to play a body bag game in 2021. It's guaranteed to be on national TV. We do this every other year (Tennessee in 2011, Ohio State in 2014, Michigan in 2017, Ohio State in 2019). Why would UC say no to that and insist on a return game where we'd make half the money and be less likely to be on national TV? Why would Notre Dame or Ohio State agree to making less money and getting less coverage?

It's the same reason schools do neutral site games: the revenue and tv coverage are both bigger when you play at a bigger venue.

That’s actually the perfect set up for a 2 for 1. Take the buy game, and for your trouble you get a home and home.
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(06-07-2019 08:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 05:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 04:43 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 04:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 08:23 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  This article isn't wrong, but it is a sloppy opinion piece. No quotes from AD's. No wording from contracts. And, it left out the most obvious factor of all... P5's don't want to schedule home and home series with UCF because most would lose both games in such a series.

I do not like the 2 for 1 deals, or the body-bag games. That is scheduling to stay afloat. G5 programs should be scheduling to become more relevant. Anything less is willingly submitting to a lower brand of college football.

Painting with a very broad brush there.

Clemson isn't going to schedule a home and home with UCF for the simple fact that it provides absolutely no benefit for Clemson. We make more money playing P5 teams OOC than we would ever make playing UCF, and we get all the Florida exposure we need playing FSU every year. Besides, why would we give them a home and home when we can get a buy game from one of their conference mates? (UConn in 2021)

Right now there are about 10 to maybe 15 programs that can handle UCF, and Clemson is certainly one. But, most P5 programs have no interest in playing them because they would probably lose.

As I stated in my previous post, I am totally against signing "body-bag" and "2 for 1" games. North Texas no longer signs those types of games, and our schedules will be much better for it in a few seasons. Our AD has successfully signed home and home series with Cal, Texas Tech, and Baylor. I'll take those types of series over whoring out our program to the likes of Texas and Oklahoma every season.

I’d put the number of P5 teams that can beat them higher than that. An essentially crippled LSU handled a crippled UCF in the bowl last season.

Fixed for you.

LOL

Let me know when UCF was playing walk-on from other positions like LSU was doing with having to play walk-on OL on the DL.
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(06-07-2019 05:09 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 05:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 05:04 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 04:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 08:23 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  This article isn't wrong, but it is a sloppy opinion piece. No quotes from AD's. No wording from contracts. And, it left out the most obvious factor of all... P5's don't want to schedule home and home series with UCF because most would lose both games in such a series.

Not sure why you would say that. In the past four seasons, UCF's record vs P5 opponents is:

2018: 1-1
2017: 2-0
2016: 0-2
2015: 0-2

So any UCF player who just graduated or otherwise finished his eligibility went 3-5 vs P5 teams.

The three wins were against 4-8 Maryland, 9-4 Auburn, and 7-7 Pitt. Not exactly a murderer's row.

If you want to extend it back to 2013, so as to bring in the Fiesta Bowl winning season and the entirety of their time in the AAC, their record is:

2014: 0-3
2013: 2-1

Overall, since joining the AAC, the Golden Knights are 5-9 vs P5 opponents. So i'm not sure why most would be shivering at the prospect of playing UCF.

I'm talking about the last 2 season.
In 2016 UCF was not the program they are now. They were a 6-7 program that lost their bowl game to Arkansas State.

Sure LSU took care of them in their bowl last year. But like I said, right now there are only a handful of P5's that could beat them.

But why would you look at just the last two seasons, as if that very small slice of time defines who UCF has been or is likely to be going forward?

Because it is who they are right now. The past won't take the field for them in 2019.

It's not who they are right now. 2017 and 2018 won't take the field for them in 2019 either.

Plus, scheduling is about the farther future, not 2019.

Bottom line: Based on history, the only data we have, P5 do not have any reason to fear UCF.
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(06-08-2019 12:14 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 10:26 AM)usffan Wrote:  Despite all the pearl clutching and finger pointing, it seems USF isn't preventing non P5 schools from getting home and home series with P5 schools...



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Depends on if that 2032 game is ever played or not...

Yup, made this very point on the AAC board. Essentially makes this the same kind of deal some AAC fans have been ripping USF for taking, but they're trumpeting this one as good.

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(06-07-2019 08:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 05:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 04:43 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 04:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 08:23 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  This article isn't wrong, but it is a sloppy opinion piece. No quotes from AD's. No wording from contracts. And, it left out the most obvious factor of all... P5's don't want to schedule home and home series with UCF because most would lose both games in such a series.

I do not like the 2 for 1 deals, or the body-bag games. That is scheduling to stay afloat. G5 programs should be scheduling to become more relevant. Anything less is willingly submitting to a lower brand of college football.

Painting with a very broad brush there.

Clemson isn't going to schedule a home and home with UCF for the simple fact that it provides absolutely no benefit for Clemson. We make more money playing P5 teams OOC than we would ever make playing UCF, and we get all the Florida exposure we need playing FSU every year. Besides, why would we give them a home and home when we can get a buy game from one of their conference mates? (UConn in 2021)

Right now there are about 10 to maybe 15 programs that can handle UCF, and Clemson is certainly one. But, most P5 programs have no interest in playing them because they would probably lose.

As I stated in my previous post, I am totally against signing "body-bag" and "2 for 1" games. North Texas no longer signs those types of games, and our schedules will be much better for it in a few seasons. Our AD has successfully signed home and home series with Cal, Texas Tech, and Baylor. I'll take those types of series over whoring out our program to the likes of Texas and Oklahoma every season.

I’d put the number of P5 teams that can beat them higher than that. An essentially crippled LSU handled a crippled UCF in the bowl last season.

Fixed for you.

No, you messed his post up, LOL. IIRC, LSU was missing almost its entire starting secondary, the best starting secondary in the country. They also had a couple of defensive lineman who were out with injuries or skipped for the draft and like 3 guys who missed the game for discipline reasons.

UCF was missing its starting QB, but had a replacement who was the MVP of the AAC title game. He played better vs Memphis than Milton had.

LSU was missing far more talent in the Fiesta Bowl than UCF.
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(06-07-2019 11:41 AM)YNot Wrote:  Florida needs to stop having hurricanes so that UCF can complete their full P5 OOC schedule. What are the odds that Stanford @ UCF is cancelled this September?

well looking at the track record for the last 2 years...100%03-banghead
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(06-08-2019 07:45 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 11:41 AM)YNot Wrote:  Florida needs to stop having hurricanes so that UCF can complete their full P5 OOC schedule. What are the odds that Stanford @ UCF is cancelled this September?

well looking at the track record for the last 2 years...100%03-banghead

Yes, thanks to global warming, looks like Florida is going to be subject to more of these hurricanes in September going forward.

Historically, while the deep Florida peninsula is seemingly the most obvious place for hurricanes coming across the tropical Atlantic to hit in the USA, in reality, most tended to spin their way past it and in to the gulf, then slamming places like Texas and Louisiana and the Florida panhandle. E.g., I lived in Tampa for 15 years, from 1982 - 1996, and we never actually had a hurricane affect us.

But now more are trending a bit more north and are thus more likely to affect central and south Florida, and even the Carolinas.
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(06-08-2019 07:45 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 11:41 AM)YNot Wrote:  Florida needs to stop having hurricanes so that UCF can complete their full P5 OOC schedule. What are the odds that Stanford @ UCF is cancelled this September?

well looking at the track record for the last 2 years...100%03-banghead

I know some people like to joke a bit about these things, but I can't help wondering whether non conference game contracts shouldn't contain some kind of weather provision and/or insurance policies to cover these things. There has to be an actuary who can calculate the probability and cost/risk analysis for this.

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(06-08-2019 07:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-08-2019 07:45 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 11:41 AM)YNot Wrote:  Florida needs to stop having hurricanes so that UCF can complete their full P5 OOC schedule. What are the odds that Stanford @ UCF is cancelled this September?

well looking at the track record for the last 2 years...100%03-banghead

Yes, thanks to global warming, looks like Florida is going to be subject to more of these hurricanes in September going forward.

Historically, while the deep Florida peninsula is seemingly the most obvious place for hurricanes coming across the tropical Atlantic to hit in the USA, in reality, most tended to spin their way past it and in to the gulf, then slamming places like Texas and Louisiana and the Florida panhandle. E.g., I lived in Tampa for 15 years, from 1982 - 1996, and we never actually had a hurricane affect us.

But now more are trending a bit more north and are thus more likely to affect central and south Florida, and even the Carolinas.

To be fair, the Carolinas have long been a hurricane magnet. Tehy didn't rename the Whalers when they moved there for nothing...

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(06-08-2019 07:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 08:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 05:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 04:43 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 04:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Painting with a very broad brush there.

Clemson isn't going to schedule a home and home with UCF for the simple fact that it provides absolutely no benefit for Clemson. We make more money playing P5 teams OOC than we would ever make playing UCF, and we get all the Florida exposure we need playing FSU every year. Besides, why would we give them a home and home when we can get a buy game from one of their conference mates? (UConn in 2021)

Right now there are about 10 to maybe 15 programs that can handle UCF, and Clemson is certainly one. But, most P5 programs have no interest in playing them because they would probably lose.

As I stated in my previous post, I am totally against signing "body-bag" and "2 for 1" games. North Texas no longer signs those types of games, and our schedules will be much better for it in a few seasons. Our AD has successfully signed home and home series with Cal, Texas Tech, and Baylor. I'll take those types of series over whoring out our program to the likes of Texas and Oklahoma every season.

I’d put the number of P5 teams that can beat them higher than that. An essentially crippled LSU handled a crippled UCF in the bowl last season.

Fixed for you.

No, you messed his post up, LOL. IIRC, LSU was missing almost its entire starting secondary, the best starting secondary in the country. They also had a couple of defensive lineman who were out with injuries or skipped for the draft and like 3 guys who missed the game for discipline reasons.

UCF was missing its starting QB, but had a replacement who was the MVP of the AAC title game. He played better vs Memphis than Milton had.

LSU was missing far more talent in the Fiesta Bowl than UCF.

That just makes my point even more. The back up could not pass the ball effectively against LSU's walks ons. Meanwhile, Milton had chopped up the Auburn starting secondary in 2017 and was having a banner year in 2018 prior to the injury. You really dont think that crippled the UCF offense? That 2018 UCF team relied on its offense to carry the day far more than the 2017 version which had a better defense. As I said---both teams were crippled. To try and pretend otherwise is complete and utter nonsense. To me it was an even game--the injuries balanced each other out strategically---if not numerically. LSU was clearly the better team. If all were healthy---it very well may have played out the same way---but it was clear early on that without Milton---UCF had little chance vs LSU.

As for Macks performance the week before--sure, it was really good against Memphis. I remember when backup QB Kyle Postma scored 28 points in one half of football and brought UH back from 20 points down to beat Memphis in 2015 after Ward was injured. The next week, he struggled mightily, leading the undefeated Coogs to only 17 points in an entire game against a hapless UConn team---who went on to pin the first loss of the season on Houston. Thats life with a backup QB. There is a reason they arent the starter.
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(06-08-2019 10:39 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-08-2019 07:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 08:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 05:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 04:43 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Right now there are about 10 to maybe 15 programs that can handle UCF, and Clemson is certainly one. But, most P5 programs have no interest in playing them because they would probably lose.

As I stated in my previous post, I am totally against signing "body-bag" and "2 for 1" games. North Texas no longer signs those types of games, and our schedules will be much better for it in a few seasons. Our AD has successfully signed home and home series with Cal, Texas Tech, and Baylor. I'll take those types of series over whoring out our program to the likes of Texas and Oklahoma every season.

I’d put the number of P5 teams that can beat them higher than that. An essentially crippled LSU handled a crippled UCF in the bowl last season.

Fixed for you.

No, you messed his post up, LOL. IIRC, LSU was missing almost its entire starting secondary, the best starting secondary in the country. They also had a couple of defensive lineman who were out with injuries or skipped for the draft and like 3 guys who missed the game for discipline reasons.

UCF was missing its starting QB, but had a replacement who was the MVP of the AAC title game. He played better vs Memphis than Milton had.

LSU was missing far more talent in the Fiesta Bowl than UCF.

That just makes my point even more. The back up could not pass the ball effectively against LSU's walks ons. Meanwhile, Milton had chopped up the Auburn starting secondary in 2017 and was having a banner year in 2018 prior to the injury. You really dont think that crippled the UCF offense? That 2018 UCF team relied on its offense to carry the day far more than the 2017 version which had a better defense. As I said---both teams were crippled. To try and pretend otherwise is complete and utter nonsense.

I don't think it makes your point. Milton didn't play as well against Memphis as the replacement guy did, so there's no reason to think he could have done any better versus LSU. Nobody said the Milton replacement sucked until he played LSU. He was the toast of Orlando after the AAC title game.

LSU was obviously missing far more of their regular talent than UCF was. LSU just played better, and probably the "walk on" guys they replaced their missing guys with were talented too.

I mean, i just randomly googled three of the guys LSU played in the secondary in the Fiesta Bowl who basically hadn't played all year, named Stevens, Kirklin, and Netherly, and those were 5-star, 3-star, and 4-star recruits respectively out of high school. Probably higher-ranked than the UCF starters they were facing.

So LSU had a depth factor.
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RE: Interesting Article: The Economics Of Scheduling In The AAC
(06-08-2019 10:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-08-2019 10:39 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-08-2019 07:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 08:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 05:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I’d put the number of P5 teams that can beat them higher than that. An essentially crippled LSU handled a crippled UCF in the bowl last season.

Fixed for you.

No, you messed his post up, LOL. IIRC, LSU was missing almost its entire starting secondary, the best starting secondary in the country. They also had a couple of defensive lineman who were out with injuries or skipped for the draft and like 3 guys who missed the game for discipline reasons.

UCF was missing its starting QB, but had a replacement who was the MVP of the AAC title game. He played better vs Memphis than Milton had.

LSU was missing far more talent in the Fiesta Bowl than UCF.

That just makes my point even more. The back up could not pass the ball effectively against LSU's walks ons. Meanwhile, Milton had chopped up the Auburn starting secondary in 2017 and was having a banner year in 2018 prior to the injury. You really dont think that crippled the UCF offense? That 2018 UCF team relied on its offense to carry the day far more than the 2017 version which had a better defense. As I said---both teams were crippled. To try and pretend otherwise is complete and utter nonsense.

I don't think it makes your point. Milton didn't play as well against Memphis as the replacement guy did, so there's no reason to think he could have done any better versus LSU. Nobody said the Milton replacement sucked until he played LSU. He was the toast of Orlando after the AAC title game.

LSU was obviously missing far more of their regular talent than UCF was. LSU just played better, and probably the "walk on" guys they replaced their missing guys with were talented too.

I mean, i just randomly googled three of the guys LSU played in the secondary in the Fiesta Bowl who basically hadn't played all year, named Stevens, Kirklin, and Netherly, and those were 5-star, 3-star, and 4-star recruits respectively out of high school. Probably higher-ranked than the UCF starters they were facing.

So LSU had a depth factor.

Wouldnt argue that at all. LSU stacks 4 and 5 star athletes like cord wood. My point was simply that despite having a huge night against Memphis (2015) a week earlier, UH backup QB Kyle Postma was completely ineffective the next week against a hapless UConn. Thats just how it goes with backups. Mack's poor performance vs LSU is far more the rule than a surprise when dealing with a backup a QB. Another UH fun fact---in 2009 and 2011 Houston won 10 and 13 game respectively. In 2010 we won 5. lol...Guess which season Case Keenum got hurt. The loss of an experienced high quality QB can be an exceptionally crippling blow.

Look--Im not in any way saying LSU wasnt crippled. They clearly were. Im just saying UCF was crippled as well. This was a no excuses game. Both teams were profoundly damaged. Nobody could really use injuries as an excuse. The winner was the winner. Simple as that. You have to tip your hat and give kudos to coach O and the amazing depth he built there.
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RE: Interesting Article: The Economics Of Scheduling In The AAC
(06-08-2019 08:55 AM)usffan Wrote:  
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(06-07-2019 11:41 AM)YNot Wrote:  Florida needs to stop having hurricanes so that UCF can complete their full P5 OOC schedule. What are the odds that Stanford @ UCF is cancelled this September?

well looking at the track record for the last 2 years...100%03-banghead

Yes, thanks to global warming, looks like Florida is going to be subject to more of these hurricanes in September going forward.

Historically, while the deep Florida peninsula is seemingly the most obvious place for hurricanes coming across the tropical Atlantic to hit in the USA, in reality, most tended to spin their way past it and in to the gulf, then slamming places like Texas and Louisiana and the Florida panhandle. E.g., I lived in Tampa for 15 years, from 1982 - 1996, and we never actually had a hurricane affect us.

But now more are trending a bit more north and are thus more likely to affect central and south Florida, and even the Carolinas.

To be fair, the Carolinas have long been a hurricane magnet. Tehy didn't rename the Whalers when they moved there for nothing...

USFFan

True---but it really seems like the last 2 or 3 years of college football schedules have been more heavily affected by hurricanes than in the decade prior. Maybe thats just perception on my part---but it sure feels that way. 04-cheers
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RE: Interesting Article: The Economics Of Scheduling In The AAC
(06-08-2019 07:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 05:09 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 05:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 05:04 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-07-2019 04:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Not sure why you would say that. In the past four seasons, UCF's record vs P5 opponents is:

2018: 1-1
2017: 2-0
2016: 0-2
2015: 0-2

So any UCF player who just graduated or otherwise finished his eligibility went 3-5 vs P5 teams.

The three wins were against 4-8 Maryland, 9-4 Auburn, and 7-7 Pitt. Not exactly a murderer's row.

If you want to extend it back to 2013, so as to bring in the Fiesta Bowl winning season and the entirety of their time in the AAC, their record is:

2014: 0-3
2013: 2-1

Overall, since joining the AAC, the Golden Knights are 5-9 vs P5 opponents. So i'm not sure why most would be shivering at the prospect of playing UCF.

I'm talking about the last 2 season.
In 2016 UCF was not the program they are now. They were a 6-7 program that lost their bowl game to Arkansas State.

Sure LSU took care of them in their bowl last year. But like I said, right now there are only a handful of P5's that could beat them.

But why would you look at just the last two seasons, as if that very small slice of time defines who UCF has been or is likely to be going forward?

Because it is who they are right now. The past won't take the field for them in 2019.

It's not who they are right now. 2017 and 2018 won't take the field for them in 2019 either.

Plus, scheduling is about the farther future, not 2019.

Bottom line: Based on history, the only data we have, P5 do not have any reason to fear UCF.

To add to that, UCF has never ranked in the top 50 in football recruiting and is not sending a boatload of talent to the NFL. They are one of the better recruiting G5 schools, but neither the recruiting rankings or the NFL has felt that UCF has great talent. It is one thing to beat a power conference school in a non-conference game, it is another to play eight or nine conference games against them and have success.

Obviously, they are doing a great of coaching at UCF the last few years, but can they sustain it? They have to prove it over time and they have not. They only G5 school that has is Boise State and if they play a power conference school it is a 50-50 bet on their winning the game.
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