(06-07-2019 12:00 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 11:48 AM)king king Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 11:34 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 11:12 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-06-2019 08:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  You think it takes 3 hours to deliver 10 packages or 30 minutes a package if all are with in 15 miles? No way. The drone is limited to 15 miles so if a person had a truck full and only delivered with in a 15 sq mile area....

I bet it ends up around the same time per package as it took the drone....13 minutes. The drone will have to return to be loaded with another package. I say that takes more time than the delivery

A drone doesn't have to stop for traffic lights.

Also, a drone is a lot cheaper than a truck to purchase and operate. A 50 lb drone uses a lot less fuel than a 5000 lb truck.

A drone carries 1 package at a time. A 5,000 pound truck can cover an entire town or small city. I wouldn't be so sure that the drone use less fuel and I doubt that very often the avoidance of traffic lights is quicker or more efficient than making hundreds of trips. It certainly doesn't meet economies of scale. You can't get more logistically efficient than a truck considering it's capacity and ability to get anywhere. This has to be nothing more than a marketing ploy.

Fulfillment centers local to the geographic area with solar powered drones. They could make ~unlimited amount of deliveries.

No trucks = no fuel, no maintenance, no tires, no upkeep, no DRIVERS.

Solar powered drones = no fuel.

Solar powered drones

I hope they go all in on this

Uh, you should go read the link at the top of this page I posted where there are numerous companies doing exactly that.

I recommend you put your life savings into stock in those companies. Maybe AOC will be president one day, and, as long as you get rid of the stock before the executives blow all the free money on cocaine and hookers, you should make a killing.

FedEx Express cut ties with Amazon today

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/m...383075001/

(06-07-2019 12:44 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  FedEx Express cut ties with Amazon today

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/m...383075001/

Interesting, I wonder what the real reason is?

(06-06-2019 08:59 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Over/Under on days until a drone gets shot out of the sky?????

If someone shoots an FAA authorized vehicle out of the sky, I imagine that will be a very, very serious felony.

(06-07-2019 12:56 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 12:44 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  FedEx Express cut ties with Amazon today

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/m...383075001/

Interesting, I wonder what the real reason is?

They recently listed them as a competitor. Amazon is going to attempt to automate everything FedEx does, and put them out of business.

I called this months ago.

That's amazon's (and google's) play going forward. This is what it means to "create value" in 2019 and beyond. You no longer innovate and create better products, you just automate away other industry's labor forces.

Enjoy!

(06-07-2019 02:07 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 12:56 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 12:44 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  FedEx Express cut ties with Amazon today

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/m...383075001/

Interesting, I wonder what the real reason is?

They recently listed them as a competitor. Amazon is going to attempt to automate everything FedEx does, and put them out of business.

I called this months ago.

That's amazon's (and google's) play going forward. This is what it means to "create value" in 2019 and beyond. You no longer innovate and create better products, you just automate away your labor force.

Enjoy!

I dont understand how creating a drone delivery system isn't innovating and creating better "product" [service].

(06-07-2019 02:07 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 12:56 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 12:44 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  FedEx Express cut ties with Amazon today

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/m...383075001/

Interesting, I wonder what the real reason is?

They recently listed them as a competitor. Amazon is going to attempt to automate everything FedEx does, and put them out of business.

I called this months ago.

That's amazon's (and google's) play going forward. This is what it means to "create value" in 2019 and beyond. You no longer innovate and create better products, you just automate away other industry's labor forces.

Enjoy!

It is just a dick measuring contest. Bezos just wants to say he created a cool gadget so he can write articles about himself in the Amazon-Washington Post. It is nothing but spending money for his ego and to keep the Feds off him for antitrust laws and monopolistic practices and he might even be getting federal money for the innovation. As long as he has young naïve dreamers like king king thinking he is going to change the world, they won't get broken up (this is Zuckerburg's problem). Drone delivery has no actual useful purpose. If FedEx goes out of business it is because they are expensive, they suck, and haven't even mastered 20 year old tracking technology that even USPS can do now. FedEx will not go out of business because of this.

(06-07-2019 02:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 02:07 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 12:56 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 12:44 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  FedEx Express cut ties with Amazon today

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/m...383075001/

Interesting, I wonder what the real reason is?

They recently listed them as a competitor. Amazon is going to attempt to automate everything FedEx does, and put them out of business.

I called this months ago.

That's amazon's (and google's) play going forward. This is what it means to "create value" in 2019 and beyond. You no longer innovate and create better products, you just automate away other industry's labor forces.

Enjoy!

It is just a dick measuring contest. Bezos just wants to say he created a cool gadget so he can write articles about himself in the Amazon-Washington Post. It is nothing but spending money for his ego and to keep the Feds off him for antitrust laws and monopolistic practices and he might even be getting federal money for the innovation. As long as he has young naïve dreamers like king king thinking he is going to change the world, they won't get broken up (this is Zuckerburg's problem). Drone delivery has no actual useful purpose. If FedEx goes out of business it is because they are expensive, they suck, and haven't even mastered 20 year old tracking technology that even USPS can do now. FedEx will not go out of business because of this.

I've been in the IT industry 20+ years. If that's young and naive, ok.

If this tech is bunk, why are ALL kinds of companies trying to do it?

(06-07-2019 02:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 02:07 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 12:56 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 12:44 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  FedEx Express cut ties with Amazon today

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/m...383075001/

Interesting, I wonder what the real reason is?

They recently listed them as a competitor. Amazon is going to attempt to automate everything FedEx does, and put them out of business.

I called this months ago.

That's amazon's (and google's) play going forward. This is what it means to "create value" in 2019 and beyond. You no longer innovate and create better products, you just automate away other industry's labor forces.

Enjoy!

It is just a dick measuring contest. Bezos just wants to say he created a cool gadget so he can write articles about himself in the Amazon-Washington Post. It is nothing but spending money for his ego and to keep the Feds off him for antitrust laws and monopolistic practices and he might even be getting federal money for the innovation. As long as he has young naïve dreamers like king king thinking he is going to change the world, they won't get broken up (this is Zuckerburg's problem).

Yeah, he's a sociopath. He will not be satisfied until you buy and sell everything from him, and he controls everything in between. And once he controls it all, I'm sure he can be trusted. It's not like amazon and twitch aren't already banning people for opinions they don't like.

Just wait until "the market" = amazon. That's where we're headed.

Not good.

(06-07-2019 02:33 PM)king king Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 02:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 02:07 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 12:56 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 12:44 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  FedEx Express cut ties with Amazon today

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/m...383075001/

Interesting, I wonder what the real reason is?

They recently listed them as a competitor. Amazon is going to attempt to automate everything FedEx does, and put them out of business.

I called this months ago.

That's amazon's (and google's) play going forward. This is what it means to "create value" in 2019 and beyond. You no longer innovate and create better products, you just automate away other industry's labor forces.

Enjoy!

It is just a dick measuring contest. Bezos just wants to say he created a cool gadget so he can write articles about himself in the Amazon-Washington Post. It is nothing but spending money for his ego and to keep the Feds off him for antitrust laws and monopolistic practices and he might even be getting federal money for the innovation. As long as he has young naïve dreamers like king king thinking he is going to change the world, they won't get broken up (this is Zuckerburg's problem). Drone delivery has no actual useful purpose. If FedEx goes out of business it is because they are expensive, they suck, and haven't even mastered 20 year old tracking technology that even USPS can do now. FedEx will not go out of business because of this.

I've been in the IT industry 20+ years. If that's young and naive, ok.

If this tech is bunk, why are ALL kinds of companies trying to do it?

Didn't say the tech itself was bunk. I am fully confident the capability exists. I said it has no useful purpose for this. The technology is actually quite old and is certainly useful in spying on and killing terrorists or taking pictures of the girl next door changing clothes. There may be other uses. This isn't one of them because no matter how many distribution centers they have, they aren't going to get closer to the endpoint than the truck. If it was useful, it would have been done a long time ago. It is all a game and R&D money is extremely lucrative if you know the right people. Ask Solyndra. History says the next technological breakthrough won't come from Amazon, it will come out of nowhere, probably in someone's garage or dorm room. If you've been around long enough, you've seen this many times before. I'm still waiting for my flying or self-driving car and hoverboard.

(06-07-2019 02:41 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 02:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 02:07 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 12:56 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 12:44 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  FedEx Express cut ties with Amazon today

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/m...383075001/

Interesting, I wonder what the real reason is?

They recently listed them as a competitor. Amazon is going to attempt to automate everything FedEx does, and put them out of business.

I called this months ago.

That's amazon's (and google's) play going forward. This is what it means to "create value" in 2019 and beyond. You no longer innovate and create better products, you just automate away other industry's labor forces.

Enjoy!

It is just a dick measuring contest. Bezos just wants to say he created a cool gadget so he can write articles about himself in the Amazon-Washington Post. It is nothing but spending money for his ego and to keep the Feds off him for antitrust laws and monopolistic practices and he might even be getting federal money for the innovation. As long as he has young naïve dreamers like king king thinking he is going to change the world, they won't get broken up (this is Zuckerburg's problem).

Yeah, he's a sociopath. He will not be satisfied until you buy and sell everything from him, and he controls everything in between. And once he controls it all, I'm sure he can be trusted. It's not like amazon and twitch aren't already banning people for opinions they don't like.

Just wait until "the market" = amazon. That's where we're headed.

Not good.

Credit where due though, it is working. As long as the Feds think he is innovating and on the brink of breaking through with disruptive technology, they will continue to leave them alone. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates knew this as well. Notice none of those articles about breaking up Facebook, Apple, or Google even mention Amazon.

The guy is certifiable.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/06/jeff-bez...ravel.html

(06-07-2019 02:47 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 02:33 PM)king king Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 02:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 02:07 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 12:56 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Interesting, I wonder what the real reason is?

They recently listed them as a competitor. Amazon is going to attempt to automate everything FedEx does, and put them out of business.

I called this months ago.

That's amazon's (and google's) play going forward. This is what it means to "create value" in 2019 and beyond. You no longer innovate and create better products, you just automate away other industry's labor forces.

Enjoy!

It is just a dick measuring contest. Bezos just wants to say he created a cool gadget so he can write articles about himself in the Amazon-Washington Post. It is nothing but spending money for his ego and to keep the Feds off him for antitrust laws and monopolistic practices and he might even be getting federal money for the innovation. As long as he has young naïve dreamers like king king thinking he is going to change the world, they won't get broken up (this is Zuckerburg's problem). Drone delivery has no actual useful purpose. If FedEx goes out of business it is because they are expensive, they suck, and haven't even mastered 20 year old tracking technology that even USPS can do now. FedEx will not go out of business because of this.

I've been in the IT industry 20+ years. If that's young and naive, ok.

If this tech is bunk, why are ALL kinds of companies trying to do it?

Didn't say the tech itself was bunk. I am fully confident the capability exists. I said it has no useful purpose for this. The technology is actually quite old and is certainly useful in spying on and killing terrorists or taking pictures of the girl next door changing clothes. There may be other uses. This isn't one of them because no matter how many distribution centers they have, they aren't going to get closer to the endpoint than the truck. If it was useful, it would have been done a long time ago. It is all a game and R&D money is extremely lucrative if you know the right people. Ask Solyndra. History says the next technological breakthrough won't come from Amazon, it will come out of nowhere, probably in someone's garage or dorm room. If you've been around long enough, you've seen this many times before. I'm still waiting for my flying or self-driving car and hoverboard.

Tesla has a self driving car. My work friend has one and was just telling me earlier this week about how he binge watched seven hours worth of TV while on the way back from Disneyworld last week. All while sitting in the driver's seat. Only time he had to take over was when it got off on a pre-programmed stop for a charge.

BMW just joined with another company headed by former NASA, Boeing, Airbus, Raytheon, and the DoD to develop a flying car that uses hydrogen fuel cells. and are hoping to have it certified by the end of 2020. That may be a little optimistic but it's certainly attainable within the next few years.

I fully expect you're going to be proven wrong about these drones. Especially with 5G. They can pull up a mobile fulfillment center out of an 18 wheeler and disperse in a neighborhood.

I can agree to disagree, though. It doesn't make me naive. I just see the way things are heading and have faith that these things that dont exist now will in a few years. Smartphones didn't ten years ago and look at them now.

This tech is so worthless , Google, Walmart, Airbus, and Boeing are also developing it.

Those losers.

(06-07-2019 12:44 PM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  FedEx Express cut ties with Amazon today

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/m...383075001/

FedEx doesn't deliver a ton of Amazon packages (final destination) to begin with, as that story says (and it's even less now than it used to be as Amazon continues to transition itself into its own delivery service).

The much bigger issue though is whether FedEx stops partnering with Amazon to handle its air logistics for delivering packages. Amazon definitely needs FedEx and UPS help with the air cargo for now and probably for some time to come.

If FedEx really wanted to hurt Amazon in its wallet, they should tell Amazon to find another air courier. Of course they'd be losing a ton of revenue, but if Amazon suddenly couldn't deliver packages across the country in a day or two, then maybe Walmart, Target, Kohls, etc. start grabbing some of their market share back and FedEx might make up the lost revenue in time through other retailers.

(06-07-2019 11:48 AM)king king Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 11:34 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 11:12 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-06-2019 08:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-06-2019 10:43 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Yeah, I'm not sure this will really cost jobs. You're going to have regionally deployed drones needing repair or retrieval... monitoring, recovering... it's just that rather than 1 driver taking 3 hours to deliver 10 packages, you'll have 1 'tech' taking 1 hour to 'deliver' those 10 packages and then another hour to check out the drones.

You think it takes 3 hours to deliver 10 packages or 30 minutes a package if all are with in 15 miles? No way. The drone is limited to 15 miles so if a person had a truck full and only delivered with in a 15 sq mile area....

I bet it ends up around the same time per package as it took the drone....13 minutes. The drone will have to return to be loaded with another package. I say that takes more time than the delivery

A drone doesn't have to stop for traffic lights.

Also, a drone is a lot cheaper than a truck to purchase and operate. A 50 lb drone uses a lot less fuel than a 5000 lb truck.

A drone carries 1 package at a time. A 5,000 pound truck can cover an entire town or small city. I wouldn't be so sure that the drone use less fuel and I doubt that very often the avoidance of traffic lights is quicker or more efficient than making hundreds of trips. It certainly doesn't meet economies of scale. You can't get more logistically efficient than a truck considering it's capacity and ability to get anywhere. This has to be nothing more than a marketing ploy.

Fulfillment centers local to the geographic area with solar powered drones. They could make ~unlimited amount of deliveries.

No trucks = no fuel, no maintenance, no tires, no upkeep, no DRIVERS.

Solar powered drones = no fuel.

I doubt if they can fit a Solar panel on a drone that would be large enough to power it. Hell it takes a 12x12 to power a LED light on a small sign. So it will still need to be charged at the Fulfillment center and out of action for that charge. You will still need a person loading each package and another putting in location/flight info. That could just be a scanner but still another person. I would bet upkeep is more expense than on a truck...per package

(06-07-2019 03:35 PM)king king Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 02:47 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 02:33 PM)king king Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 02:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 02:07 PM)Kronke Wrote:  They recently listed them as a competitor. Amazon is going to attempt to automate everything FedEx does, and put them out of business.

I called this months ago.

That's amazon's (and google's) play going forward. This is what it means to "create value" in 2019 and beyond. You no longer innovate and create better products, you just automate away other industry's labor forces.

Enjoy!

It is just a dick measuring contest. Bezos just wants to say he created a cool gadget so he can write articles about himself in the Amazon-Washington Post. It is nothing but spending money for his ego and to keep the Feds off him for antitrust laws and monopolistic practices and he might even be getting federal money for the innovation. As long as he has young naïve dreamers like king king thinking he is going to change the world, they won't get broken up (this is Zuckerburg's problem). Drone delivery has no actual useful purpose. If FedEx goes out of business it is because they are expensive, they suck, and haven't even mastered 20 year old tracking technology that even USPS can do now. FedEx will not go out of business because of this.

I've been in the IT industry 20+ years. If that's young and naive, ok.

If this tech is bunk, why are ALL kinds of companies trying to do it?

Didn't say the tech itself was bunk. I am fully confident the capability exists. I said it has no useful purpose for this. The technology is actually quite old and is certainly useful in spying on and killing terrorists or taking pictures of the girl next door changing clothes. There may be other uses. This isn't one of them because no matter how many distribution centers they have, they aren't going to get closer to the endpoint than the truck. If it was useful, it would have been done a long time ago. It is all a game and R&D money is extremely lucrative if you know the right people. Ask Solyndra. History says the next technological breakthrough won't come from Amazon, it will come out of nowhere, probably in someone's garage or dorm room. If you've been around long enough, you've seen this many times before. I'm still waiting for my flying or self-driving car and hoverboard.

Tesla has a self driving car. My work friend has one and was just telling me earlier this week about how he binge watched seven hours worth of TV while on the way back from Disneyworld last week. All while sitting in the driver's seat. Only time he had to take over was when it got off on a pre-programmed stop for a charge.

BMW just joined with another company headed by former NASA, Boeing, Airbus, Raytheon, and the DoD to develop a flying car that uses hydrogen fuel cells. and are hoping to have it certified by the end of 2020. That may be a little optimistic but it's certainly attainable within the next few years.

I fully expect you're going to be proven wrong about these drones. Especially with 5G. They can pull up a mobile fulfillment center out of an 18 wheeler and disperse in a neighborhood.

I can agree to disagree, though. It doesn't make me naive. I just see the way things are heading and have faith that these things that dont exist now will in a few years. Smartphones didn't ten years ago and look at them now.

He was also breaking the law every second of every hour. Not only breaking the law but most likely be in jail if stopped....

I assume there was a child in the car and he was endangering their life.

(06-06-2019 08:28 AM)king king Wrote:  

(06-06-2019 08:09 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  They will lose their shirts both literally and figuratively. The amount of theft will be staggering. Imagine being a crook drinking a 40 on a park bench and a random Amazon package floats by. I'm sure you'll just let it go right?

They're leaving packages on doorsteps RIGHT NOW and the vast majority aren't being stolen.

You think these drones are gonna be floating by on the sidewalk at eye level?

The article states they had to get a license from the FAA. That's not to fly at eye level.

Well, I'm not one of those people. My wife's package that she bought for her illness got stolen from our doorstep. Over 100 bucks of it. I would welcome one of this drones delivering it in our backyard next time she decides to buy something from Amazon. It really Ps'ed me off when it happened. We got a replacement but that shouldn't even have had to happen. Grrrr.

(06-07-2019 07:18 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 11:48 AM)king king Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 11:34 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-07-2019 11:12 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-06-2019 08:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  You think it takes 3 hours to deliver 10 packages or 30 minutes a package if all are with in 15 miles? No way. The drone is limited to 15 miles so if a person had a truck full and only delivered with in a 15 sq mile area....

I bet it ends up around the same time per package as it took the drone....13 minutes. The drone will have to return to be loaded with another package. I say that takes more time than the delivery

A drone doesn't have to stop for traffic lights.

Also, a drone is a lot cheaper than a truck to purchase and operate. A 50 lb drone uses a lot less fuel than a 5000 lb truck.

A drone carries 1 package at a time. A 5,000 pound truck can cover an entire town or small city. I wouldn't be so sure that the drone use less fuel and I doubt that very often the avoidance of traffic lights is quicker or more efficient than making hundreds of trips. It certainly doesn't meet economies of scale. You can't get more logistically efficient than a truck considering it's capacity and ability to get anywhere. This has to be nothing more than a marketing ploy.

Fulfillment centers local to the geographic area with solar powered drones. They could make ~unlimited amount of deliveries.

No trucks = no fuel, no maintenance, no tires, no upkeep, no DRIVERS.

Solar powered drones = no fuel.

I doubt if they can fit a Solar panel on a drone that would be large enough to power it. Hell it takes a 12x12 to power a LED light on a small sign. So it will still need to be charged at the Fulfillment center and out of action for that charge. You will still need a person loading each package and another putting in location/flight info. That could just be a scanner but still another person. I would bet upkeep is more expense than on a truck...per package

Link at the top of this page says otherwise.