I would add that if Fischer is all about defense as advertised, I'd imagine Loewe would be in his good graces. His on-ball defense might be his best attribute. With all the question marks offensively of the other 2/3's, defense could potentially be the deciding factor.

The limiting factor offensively last year was not having a PG that could push and collapse the D by penetrating. That is what Barnes does. If he can do that effectively, there is no way I'd want Loewe at the 1 for the lion share of minutes. Put Loewe at the 2 or as Barnes backup.

Barnes collapsing the D combined with the natural instinct to sag in on our interior bigs should give a lot of good perimeter looks. Hopefully we have the guys that can fill it.

I have no idea how Fischer will put this team/rotation together, but he certainly has an intriguing set of talents in his personnel with which to consider and tinker. there are many potential line-ups with definite strengths and weaknesses.

I agree with the previous poster who postulated that beyond Andy & Nate, it is uncertain as to how he will proceed. It should be fun to watch.

Go Tribe!

(05-30-2019 06:59 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  I have no idea how Fischer will put this team/rotation together, but he certainly has an intriguing set of talents in his personnel with which to consider and tinker. there are many potential line-ups with definite strengths and weaknesses.

I agree with the previous poster who postulated that beyond Andy & Nate, it is uncertain as to how he will proceed. It should be fun to watch.

Go Tribe!

I predict: time will tell, and there is still an addition to come to the team

(05-30-2019 07:21 PM)Odysseus Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 06:59 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  I have no idea how Fischer will put this team/rotation together, but he certainly has an intriguing set of talents in his personnel with which to consider and tinker. there are many potential line-ups with definite strengths and weaknesses.

I agree with the previous poster who postulated that beyond Andy & Nate, it is uncertain as to how he will proceed. It should be fun to watch.

Go Tribe!

I predict: time will tell, and there is still an addition to come to the team

I hope you’re right about the addition and that the addition is Troy Holston ... a back court of Barnes and Holston would be quite intriguing


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(05-30-2019 07:54 PM)Naptown Tribe Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 07:21 PM)Odysseus Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 06:59 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  I have no idea how Fischer will put this team/rotation together, but he certainly has an intriguing set of talents in his personnel with which to consider and tinker. there are many potential line-ups with definite strengths and weaknesses.

I agree with the previous poster who postulated that beyond Andy & Nate, it is uncertain as to how he will proceed. It should be fun to watch.

Go Tribe!

I predict: time will tell, and there is still an addition to come to the team

I hope you’re right about the addition and that the addition is Troy Holston ... a back court of Barnes and Holston would be quite intriguing


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A lot of players coming available. Vin Baker Jr and more every day. We have spots open

(05-30-2019 06:34 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  I know Barnes has classical PG size and game, but I think he also the most reliable scoring/shooting option we might have with our guard options. Loewe improved as the season went along, and even found a jumper down the stretch. Guessing Barnes sees time at both 1 and 2 spots.

Why do you think Barnes will be our most reliable shooter? In his last 2 years, he shot 67% from the line and averaged low-30% from 3. Seems like an average shooter. Even with that, my excitement about Barnes is very high because of his quickness and ability to penetrate. That changes our offense significantly.


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(05-30-2019 10:32 PM)ColonelEbirt Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 06:34 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  I know Barnes has classical PG size and game, but I think he also the most reliable scoring/shooting option we might have with our guard options. Loewe improved as the season went along, and even found a jumper down the stretch. Guessing Barnes sees time at both 1 and 2 spots.

Why do you think Barnes will be our most reliable shooter? In his last 2 years, he shot 67% from the line and averaged low-30% from 3. Seems like an average shooter. Even with that, my excitement about Barnes is very high because of his quickness and ability to penetrate. That changes our offense significantly.


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Like I said, opinion based on limited film available and knowledge of the returning alternatives. Good form and shoots with confidence. Perhaps not ideal, but who do you like more in the 2 spot?

(05-30-2019 11:13 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 10:32 PM)ColonelEbirt Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 06:34 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  I know Barnes has classical PG size and game, but I think he also the most reliable scoring/shooting option we might have with our guard options. Loewe improved as the season went along, and even found a jumper down the stretch. Guessing Barnes sees time at both 1 and 2 spots.

Why do you think Barnes will be our most reliable shooter? In his last 2 years, he shot 67% from the line and averaged low-30% from 3. Seems like an average shooter. Even with that, my excitement about Barnes is very high because of his quickness and ability to penetrate. That changes our offense significantly.


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Like I said, opinion based on limited film available and knowledge of the returning alternatives. Good form and shoots with confidence. Perhaps not ideal, but who do you like more in the 2 spot?

I hope you’re right that he turns out to be a great shooter too. Among the guards, I could see Williams, Blair, Scott, or Ayesa also emerge as our best pure shooter. All speculation, given we haven’t seen much from any of these guys yet.


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Barnes' 3-point shooting average for his career at UMW is 37%. Not great, but not bad either. He also was second on their team ion steals.
But his injection of speed, keyhole penetration, and dishing ability greatly changes the dynamics of our team.

Certainly he will prevent sagging back and collapsing on Nathan (as Delaware did in the second half of the CAA Tourney game), opening up the floor for Knight.

From everything I've read he is the real deal.

I don't like to put too much stock in a freshman, but even if Ayesa is a one trick pony and that trick is a spot up shooter, he could see a lot of meaningful playing time. His cons- suspect footspeed/defense, inability to drive at college level. Pros- good height & high level 3 point shooter with a quick release. Sounds a lot like Milon to me.
If the bigs are generating a lot of attention and this Barnes kid is causing defenses to pinch like we hope, Ayesa could carve out a pretty nice role early as a spot up catch and shoot sniper.

(05-31-2019 05:18 AM)ColonelEbirt Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 11:13 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 10:32 PM)ColonelEbirt Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 06:34 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  I know Barnes has classical PG size and game, but I think he also the most reliable scoring/shooting option we might have with our guard options. Loewe improved as the season went along, and even found a jumper down the stretch. Guessing Barnes sees time at both 1 and 2 spots.

Why do you think Barnes will be our most reliable shooter? In his last 2 years, he shot 67% from the line and averaged low-30% from 3. Seems like an average shooter. Even with that, my excitement about Barnes is very high because of his quickness and ability to penetrate. That changes our offense significantly.

New guys all sound like the coming of the next Michael Jordan !!!
I think they will all be bodies that will make competitive practice possible.


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Like I said, opinion based on limited film available and knowledge of the returning alternatives. Good form and shoots with confidence. Perhaps not ideal, but who do you like more in the 2 spot?

I hope you’re right that he turns out to be a great shooter too. Among the guards, I could see Williams, Blair, Scott, or Ayesa also emerge as our best pure shooter. All speculation, given we haven’t seen much from any of these guys yet.


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Ayesa consistently brings the ball down to his body below the waist to start his shooting motion. He needs to get that wasted motion eliminated, so, that he is straight up into his shot wherever he catches the ball. It will make a huge difference in the quickness of his shot release, and his ability to get his shot off on the college level. Will take time to break that habit.

(05-31-2019 11:06 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Ayesa consistently brings the ball down to his body below the waist to start his shooting motion. He needs to get that wasted motion eliminated, so, that he is straight up into his shot wherever he catches the ball. It will make a huge difference in the quickness of his shot release, and his ability to get his shot off on the college level. Will take time to break that habit.

I agree that any wasted motion is unnecessary, but it is not uncommon. Certainly something to improve, but I don't think his release is slow enough to be a problem. I pulled up a pre-draft video of Klay Thompson shooting and he also brings the ball down before going into his shot.

https://youtu.be/Vg0QLr9BABg

(05-31-2019 11:29 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 11:06 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Ayesa consistently brings the ball down to his body below the waist to start his shooting motion. He needs to get that wasted motion eliminated, so, that he is straight up into his shot wherever he catches the ball. It will make a huge difference in the quickness of his shot release, and his ability to get his shot off on the college level. Will take time to break that habit.

I agree that any wasted motion is unnecessary, but it is not uncommon. Certainly something to improve, but I don't think his release is slow enough to be a problem. I pulled up a pre-draft video of Klay Thompson shooting and he also brings the ball down before going into his shot.

https://youtu.be/Vg0QLr9BABg

I had previously pulled up current Klay Thompson video in the pros, knowing the similarities and that he is Ayessa's model. Interesting that Thompson had the same motion coming out of college. Love to see Miguel get ahead of that curve.

(05-31-2019 11:39 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 11:29 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 11:06 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Ayesa consistently brings the ball down to his body below the waist to start his shooting motion. He needs to get that wasted motion eliminated, so, that he is straight up into his shot wherever he catches the ball. It will make a huge difference in the quickness of his shot release, and his ability to get his shot off on the college level. Will take time to break that habit.

I agree that any wasted motion is unnecessary, but it is not uncommon. Certainly something to improve, but I don't think his release is slow enough to be a problem. I pulled up a pre-draft video of Klay Thompson shooting and he also brings the ball down before going into his shot.

https://youtu.be/Vg0QLr9BABg

I had previously pulled up current Klay Thompson video in the pros, knowing the similarities and that he is Ayessa's model. Interesting that Thompson had the same motion coming out of college. Love to see Miguel get ahead of that curve.

I mentioned this about his shot. Catching the ball you should cradle and cushion it - S Curry does it well, but Curry uses his legs to elevate. Not that Ayesa doesn’t use his legs but what he does is break and restart his momentum when bringing the ball down that much and then up. Klay is a tad bit taller and gets a tad more elevation on just release. It’s not fair or sensible to compare anyone to Curry or Klay.

But Ayesa is gonna get his shot postmarked returned to sender a lot with that motion. Other teams will identify it on tape. Equally important is that he has a low release point on his almost push shot. Hard to tell what adaptions he can make successfully. Fisher took him anyway so he believes he can succeed.

(05-31-2019 05:30 AM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  Barnes' 3-point shooting average for his career at UMW is 37%. Not great, but not bad either. He also was second on their team ion steals.
But his injection of speed, keyhole penetration, and dishing ability greatly changes the dynamics of our team.

Certainly he will prevent sagging back and collapsing on Nathan (as Delaware did in the second half of the CAA Tourney game), opening up the floor for Knight.

From everything I've read he is the real deal.

Barnes' FG% was 37%. His 3PT % was just under 34%. Those aren't great numbers, but that doesn't mean he can't be a successful PG for us, just that we shouldn't expect him to be a better shooter than anyone we already have. I don't know how their offense went, but he either didn't have a lot of opportunity for assists or just didn't get very many. If he's got Nate inside and VV outside then his opportunities would probably increase a little. :)

Shawn Occeus apparently signed with an agent to play pro ball somewhere, so no transfer and not returning to Northeastern.

Looking through the CAA rosters for next year at this point, we truly stand alone in our front court lineup and depth. If we stay relatively injury free and the defensive ability of our back court can consistently rise to the task to guard the arc, then we should be right there in challenging for the title next season. Certainly a lot of unknowns, but Tribe basketball has never had front court skill and depth at this level and at a time when it is in limited supply in the CAA. Now, if someone can just emerge as an All-CAA level guard/wing to go with it.........