(06-04-2019 01:05 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I wish we'd have had App vs. UAB in the New Orleans bowl last year. That'd have been the two highest rated non AAC/MWC teams in a bowl together.

Agree. If we can't get a P5 opponent for our champion, we need to be playing against another G5 champ. I was very disappointed that UAB passed on the opportunity to play App State in New Orleans. MTSU had no business being there

(06-04-2019 06:31 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 01:05 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I wish we'd have had App vs. UAB in the New Orleans bowl last year. That'd have been the two highest rated non AAC/MWC teams in a bowl together.

Agree. If we can't get a P5 opponent for our champion, we need to be playing against another G5 champ. I was very disappointed that UAB passed on the opportunity to play App State in New Orleans. MTSU had no business being there

I just feel their fans would have has an easier trip to NO rather than Boca. But they did play the MAC Champ, even though Buffalo was probably the best team in the MAC. At Least Two years ago we had #1 SBC App vs #1 MAC Toledo in the Mobile bowl.

Okay I didn't know that NIU was the champ. They weren't nearly as good as App. If I were UAB, I would have gone to New Orleans. It's a reasonable drive from Birmingham, and a win against App would've vaulted them into the top 25. They missed a golden opportunity. I hope they weren't scared

NIU squeaked by a very good Buffalo team in the MAC CCG. If UB would have won that game there's no reasonable person that would have faulted UAB from playing them in Boca, but App vs UAB in New Orleans on a Saturday night with no other bowl games on would have felt like a bigger game than either of the two we got.

No doubt. It would have been an amazing atmosphere for a bowl game.

(06-04-2019 02:38 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 10:05 AM)TTT Wrote:  From the article,

Quote:"Group of 5 Outlook
The American will have seven tie-ins and looks like it could be involved in possibly five bowls against Power 5 opponents: the new Fenway Park bowl (ACC), Military (ACC), Birmingham (SEC), Quick Lane (Big Ten) and Gasparilla (SEC). It’s doubtful the SEC will have enough teams every year to send to Gasparilla, but still the American will easily have the most opportunities among the Group of 5 leagues to play Power 5 opponents in the postseason.

The Mountain West, with six tie-ins, loses its long-time tie-in to the Las Vegas Bowl, but instead will play the Pac-12 in the new Los Angeles Stadium at Hollywood Park. The Mountain West also will remain in the Famous Idaho Potato, New Mexico, Arizona and Hawaii bowls – plus another ESPN Events bowl.

Conference USA will have seven tie-ins in 2020-25: New Orleans with the remaining six bowls among the 16 bowls owned by ESPN Events, including the newly-created Myrtle Beach Bowl. The Mid-American (six bowl tie-ins) and Sun Belt (five bowl tie-ins) also will be predominately aligned with ESPN bowls.

The 16 FBS bowls ESPN will own by 2020 are the following: Fenway Park, Cure, Myrtle Beach, Frisco, Hawaii, Texas, Gasparilla, Las Vegas, Armed Forces, New Mexico, First Responder, Bahamas, Boca Raton, Camellia, Birmingham and Famous Idaho Potato."

Y'alls thoughts?

I really wish CUSA could make some kind deal where our champ gets matched up w/ a P5 every year. In addition to getting more SATURDAY LINEAR TV conference games, getting more schools to play P5 teams in bowl games is crucial.

Who are the other G5 conference champs being sent to? (if not an access bowl) How do we stack up?

The larger sized statement reads more like shotty reporting on the G5 bowl situation than C-USA losing any of our current bowls. I think we keep what we pretty much currently have and gain the Armed Forces Bowl. From what the article said about the MWC, it seems they are out for that bowl. Army would probably be the primary team for it, but it only makes sense for the bowl to be with C-USA, when Army does not make the bowl. The MWC has no ties to the region anymore, and the AAC appears to be increasing their P5 bowl ties through other bowls. That could be why the Big 12 is going to rotate between the First Responders and Armed Forces.

There was talk several months ago among the G5 about a proposal to create a bowl pool to generate the best matchups while using geography that made sense. That looks like what they are going to do. Under such a scenario each G5 conference would have "ties" to specific ESPN bowls---but that will be little more than paperwork to keep the bowls NCAA compliant. The reality is your teams could end up anywhere---but they should mostly end up with a reasonable match up that is fairly close to home (probably often in the bowl your "tied" to). That said, some teams might get stuck far away in the interest of the best teams being matched against each other to create the most interesting games possible--in the locations that make the most sense.

Big 12, B10 and SEC announced tie-ins

B12
Armed Forces/First Responder vs G5 Selection

B10
Detroit vs MAC

SEC
Birmingham vs AAC

ACC and P12 have not announced official

P12
LA Bowl vs MWC

ACC
Boston vs AAC
Military vs AAC

AAC - 3 P5 Tie-ins
MWC - 1 P5 Tie-in
MAC - 1 P5 Tie-in
CUSA - 0 P5-Tie-in
SB - 0 P5 Tie-in

(06-04-2019 08:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 02:38 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 10:05 AM)TTT Wrote:  From the article,

Quote:"Group of 5 Outlook
The American will have seven tie-ins and looks like it could be involved in possibly five bowls against Power 5 opponents: the new Fenway Park bowl (ACC), Military (ACC), Birmingham (SEC), Quick Lane (Big Ten) and Gasparilla (SEC). It’s doubtful the SEC will have enough teams every year to send to Gasparilla, but still the American will easily have the most opportunities among the Group of 5 leagues to play Power 5 opponents in the postseason.

The Mountain West, with six tie-ins, loses its long-time tie-in to the Las Vegas Bowl, but instead will play the Pac-12 in the new Los Angeles Stadium at Hollywood Park. The Mountain West also will remain in the Famous Idaho Potato, New Mexico, Arizona and Hawaii bowls – plus another ESPN Events bowl.

Conference USA will have seven tie-ins in 2020-25: New Orleans with the remaining six bowls among the 16 bowls owned by ESPN Events, including the newly-created Myrtle Beach Bowl. The Mid-American (six bowl tie-ins) and Sun Belt (five bowl tie-ins) also will be predominately aligned with ESPN bowls.

The 16 FBS bowls ESPN will own by 2020 are the following: Fenway Park, Cure, Myrtle Beach, Frisco, Hawaii, Texas, Gasparilla, Las Vegas, Armed Forces, New Mexico, First Responder, Bahamas, Boca Raton, Camellia, Birmingham and Famous Idaho Potato."

Y'alls thoughts?

I really wish CUSA could make some kind deal where our champ gets matched up w/ a P5 every year. In addition to getting more SATURDAY LINEAR TV conference games, getting more schools to play P5 teams in bowl games is crucial.

Who are the other G5 conference champs being sent to? (if not an access bowl) How do we stack up?

The larger sized statement reads more like shotty reporting on the G5 bowl situation than C-USA losing any of our current bowls. I think we keep what we pretty much currently have and gain the Armed Forces Bowl. From what the article said about the MWC, it seems they are out for that bowl. Army would probably be the primary team for it, but it only makes sense for the bowl to be with C-USA, when Army does not make the bowl. The MWC has no ties to the region anymore, and the AAC appears to be increasing their P5 bowl ties through other bowls. That could be why the Big 12 is going to rotate between the First Responders and Armed Forces.

There was talk several months ago among the G5 about a proposal to create a bowl pool to generate the best matchups while using geography that made sense. That looks like what they are going to do. Under such a scenario each G5 conference would have "ties" to specific ESPN bowls---but that will be little more than paperwork to keep the bowls NCAA compliant. The reality is your teams could end up anywhere---but they should mostly end up with a reasonable match up that is fairly close to home (probably often in the bowl your "tied" to). That said, some teams might get stuck far away in the interest of the best teams being matched against each other to create the most interesting games possible--in the locations that make the most sense.

I thought the bowl pool concept was tried last cycle and phased out.

There may be some pooling however still around a few games.

(06-04-2019 09:33 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 08:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 02:38 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 10:05 AM)TTT Wrote:  From the article,

Quote:"Group of 5 Outlook
The American will have seven tie-ins and looks like it could be involved in possibly five bowls against Power 5 opponents: the new Fenway Park bowl (ACC), Military (ACC), Birmingham (SEC), Quick Lane (Big Ten) and Gasparilla (SEC). It’s doubtful the SEC will have enough teams every year to send to Gasparilla, but still the American will easily have the most opportunities among the Group of 5 leagues to play Power 5 opponents in the postseason.

The Mountain West, with six tie-ins, loses its long-time tie-in to the Las Vegas Bowl, but instead will play the Pac-12 in the new Los Angeles Stadium at Hollywood Park. The Mountain West also will remain in the Famous Idaho Potato, New Mexico, Arizona and Hawaii bowls – plus another ESPN Events bowl.

Conference USA will have seven tie-ins in 2020-25: New Orleans with the remaining six bowls among the 16 bowls owned by ESPN Events, including the newly-created Myrtle Beach Bowl. The Mid-American (six bowl tie-ins) and Sun Belt (five bowl tie-ins) also will be predominately aligned with ESPN bowls.

The 16 FBS bowls ESPN will own by 2020 are the following: Fenway Park, Cure, Myrtle Beach, Frisco, Hawaii, Texas, Gasparilla, Las Vegas, Armed Forces, New Mexico, First Responder, Bahamas, Boca Raton, Camellia, Birmingham and Famous Idaho Potato."

Y'alls thoughts?

I really wish CUSA could make some kind deal where our champ gets matched up w/ a P5 every year. In addition to getting more SATURDAY LINEAR TV conference games, getting more schools to play P5 teams in bowl games is crucial.

Who are the other G5 conference champs being sent to? (if not an access bowl) How do we stack up?

The larger sized statement reads more like shotty reporting on the G5 bowl situation than C-USA losing any of our current bowls. I think we keep what we pretty much currently have and gain the Armed Forces Bowl. From what the article said about the MWC, it seems they are out for that bowl. Army would probably be the primary team for it, but it only makes sense for the bowl to be with C-USA, when Army does not make the bowl. The MWC has no ties to the region anymore, and the AAC appears to be increasing their P5 bowl ties through other bowls. That could be why the Big 12 is going to rotate between the First Responders and Armed Forces.

There was talk several months ago among the G5 about a proposal to create a bowl pool to generate the best matchups while using geography that made sense. That looks like what they are going to do. Under such a scenario each G5 conference would have "ties" to specific ESPN bowls---but that will be little more than paperwork to keep the bowls NCAA compliant. The reality is your teams could end up anywhere---but they should mostly end up with a reasonable match up that is fairly close to home (probably often in the bowl your "tied" to). That said, some teams might get stuck far away in the interest of the best teams being matched against each other to create the most interesting games possible--in the locations that make the most sense.

I thought the bowl pool concept was tried last cycle and phased out.

There may be some pooling however still around a few games.

That’s true, though the previous G5 Bowl pool concept was more rigid than the one I heard described a few months back. The one last cycle gave everyone a set rotation in specific bowls. This one is more of a throw a crap load of teams on to the board and let ESPN, in collaboration with the conferences, place them where they can make the best matchups—while still keeping an eye on geography. So, basically, this cycle would be waaaay more flexible than the other “G5 pool”.

Who knows....something that wide open might last one year before the conferences get mad and want to go back to traditional bowl ties (if it even happens at all).

The American has been pushing their P6 marketing campaign for two years now and as of yesterday, discussions were they could have 5 bowl tie-ins with Power Conference opponents; if they snag the Group of Five New Years Day slot, that's six P5 opponents; and if they are utilized for their Liberty or Independence backups, 7 potential power match-ups.

They could have all or nearly all of their bowl eligible teams playing Power Conference opponents yearly. That could seriously start changing the perception of their position in the football landscape. Whats the saying perception is reality?

(06-05-2019 12:52 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  The American has been pushing their P6 marketing campaign for two years now and as of yesterday, discussions were they could have 5 bowl tie-ins with Power Conference opponents; if they snag the Group of Five New Years Day slot, that's six P5 opponents; and if they are utilized for their Liberty or Independence backups, 7 potential power match-ups.

They could have all or nearly all of their bowl eligible teams playing Power Conference opponents yearly. That could seriously start changing the perception of their position in the football landscape. Whats the saying perception is reality?

They get their ass handed to them every bowl season by other G5 conferences. They have to do something to win bowl games. Maybe they'll have better luck against bottom feeding P5 teams.

Aresco said the Detroit bowl had interest in the AAC, but it couldn’t be worked out due to bowl tie limitations...which I don’t get b/c the AAC can have 7. So, that looks to remain a B1G MAC matchup. The AAC needs to start winning more bowl games. Memphis certainly hasn’t been pulling their weight in that regard. Though, I’m not sure how much pub you really get unless it’s CFP NY6 games. The others are forgotten (nationally) as soon as the next bowl ends.

(06-04-2019 02:46 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt asks what is Linear tv?

to see linear tv you must stand 10+ espn feet from flat screen tv, and watch it from the side..

(06-05-2019 01:03 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  The others are forgotten (nationally) as soon as the next bowl ends.

Trust me, I and others still remember that a bowl game against an AAC school has pretty much become an auto-win for anyone in any conference.

^Could be and deservedly so, but I’m talking national coverage. Bowl games outside of the CFP don’t get near the national coverage of OOC games during the season. Each week they are discussed by the committee and covered by national media... repeatedly brought up as the season and ranking discussions progress. OOC games are also part of conference catalogs to sell whereas bowl games aren’t. They do however, mean some extra cash in the form of final G5 standings. They are important, but not as much in terms of dollars and cents (tv) and national perception outside the CFP system (national coverage). This isn’t just a G5 phenomenon either. P5 bowls outside the CFP have fallen in attached significance as well with players opting out...something they don’t do during the season. The media stops talking about those games as well when the next one finishes.

(06-07-2019 07:34 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 02:46 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt asks what is Linear tv?

to see linear tv you must stand 10+ espn feet from flat screen tv, and watch it from the side..

clt says this is helpful. What is the ratio of espn feet to centimeters?

The Bowl games are.important narrative is simply a myth .

If they did mean something important , Logic would say that the G5 conference with best Bowl record would get the most P5 games. Yet the AAc with a not so great Bowl record continues to be the conf with the best bowl lineup, a lineup that keeps getting better.

I have said all along winning Bowl games means very little in the big scheme of things. It really only matters to schools that are chasing after opportunities from another conference. The perception of the strength of the conference is way more important than bowl wins imo.

Finally, I wonder if ESPN will now make it official policy to avoid Conf USA given the conferences new deal with the NFL channel. ESPN tends to tske things personally as they did over a decade ago when CUsa picked Fox over ESPN. Imo, this conference never fully recovered from that move in terms of TV access. If I was a betting man, I would bet ESPN makes an even further shift away from CUSa.

(06-08-2019 06:44 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  The Bowl games are.important narrative is simply a myth .

If they did mean something important , Logic would say that the G5 conference with best Bowl record would get the most P5 games. Yet the AAc with a not so great Bowl record continues to be the conf with the best bowl lineup, a lineup that keeps getting better.

I have said all along winning Bowl games means very little in the big scheme of things. It really only matters to schools that are chasing after opportunities from another conference. The perception of the strength of the conference is way more important than bowl wins imo.

Finally, I wonder if ESPN will now make it official policy to avoid Conf USA given the conferences new deal with the NFL channel. ESPN tends to tske things personally as they did over a decade ago when CUsa picked Fox over ESPN. Imo, this conference never fully recovered from that move in terms of TV access. If I was a betting man, I would bet ESPN makes an even further shift away from CUSa.

Are you dense?
There's no where away from us to go. They have last tier rights with ESPN+ and that's it. Maybe they'll remember that most of the schools in the AAC also voted to take Fox over ESPN back then and shift a little farther way from them. Neither the majority of the schools in the current CUSA nor any of the current CUSA administration voted against ESPN. Don't start **** for the sake of starting ****. Have a point.

PS thanks for insisting on Charlotte and bailing. Scumbags. See you next year to give you another asswhooping. You can talk about your perception all day long, but on the field you're still awful. And ECU has done ZERO to help the AAC move forward.

(06-11-2019 03:15 AM)MUther Wrote:  PS thanks for insisting on Charlotte and bailing. Scumbags. See you next year to give you another asswhooping. You can talk about your perception all day long, but on the field you're still awful. And ECU has done ZERO to help the AAC move forward.

Will the Marshall fans ever stop crying? Leave the conference or get us kicked out but if you're not take any action...STFU, it's pathetic.

(06-11-2019 08:48 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 03:15 AM)MUther Wrote:  PS thanks for insisting on Charlotte and bailing. Scumbags. See you next year to give you another asswhooping. You can talk about your perception all day long, but on the field you're still awful. And ECU has done ZERO to help the AAC move forward.

Will the Marshall fans ever stop crying? Leave the conference or get us kicked out but if you're not take any action...STFU, it's pathetic.

And the funniest part is they begged to get in to CUSA 1.0 WITH US, but none of us wanted them.