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Men's tournament followed the script pretty well. 12 of 16 seeds won. The Georgia schools (Tech #3 and UGA #4) and #15 WVU and #16 Oregon St. were the only ones who lost. Although except for #2 Auburn winning the GT regional, it was #3 seeds-Duke, Michigan and FSU.

The super-regionals are
UCLA-Michigan
Texas Tech-Oklahoma St.
Arkansas-Ole Miss
LSU-FSU
Vanderbilt-Duke
ECU-Louisville
Miss St.-Stanford
UNC-Auburn

Many of the top programs not in this year. Only FSU, LSU and Stanford are top 10 in CWS appearances.
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ECU would be the only World Series newbie if they won the Super
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SEC 6
ACC 4
PAC 2
B12 2
B1G 1
AAC 1

Doesn't seem to matter what sport - the Big Dogs (P5) are gonna eat.
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(06-04-2019 11:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  SEC 6
ACC 4
PAC 2
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AAC 1

Doesn't seem to matter what sport - the Big Dogs (P5) are gonna eat.

It's hard for non-wealthy programs to sustain success after large numbers of the wealthier programs become interested in a sport, outspending them 5 to 1 or more, and hiring away successful coaches by tripling their salaries.

For those of you who like to blame ESPN for absolutely everything: In college baseball, this is something you actually can blame on ESPN. Once ESPN started showing every game of the College World Series in Omaha on TV, a lot more P5 schools decided to throw money at head coaches, assistant coaches, better facilities, more money for recruiting, etc. When the only CWS game that was widely available on TV was the single championship game in Omaha, a lot of wealthy programs didn't care. It was only after ESPN started showing two weeks' worth of games in Omaha that schools with money to burn started saying, "We have the resources to do that and get our logo on ESPN for two weeks in June, so why aren't we ever in Omaha?"
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(06-04-2019 12:57 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 11:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  SEC 6
ACC 4
PAC 2
B12 2
B1G 1
AAC 1

Doesn't seem to matter what sport - the Big Dogs (P5) are gonna eat.

It's hard for non-wealthy programs to sustain success after large numbers of the wealthier programs become interested in a sport, outspending them 5 to 1 or more, and hiring away successful coaches by tripling their salaries.

For those of you who like to blame ESPN for absolutely everything: In college baseball, this is something you actually can blame on ESPN. Once ESPN started showing every game of the College World Series in Omaha on TV, a lot more P5 schools decided to throw money at head coaches, assistant coaches, better facilities, more money for recruiting, etc. When the only CWS game that was widely available on TV was the single championship game in Omaha, a lot of wealthy programs didn't care. It was only after ESPN started showing two weeks' worth of games in Omaha that schools with money to burn started saying, "We have the resources to do that and get our logo on ESPN for two weeks in June, so why aren't we ever in Omaha?"

An appropriate question might be should we blame ESPN for this, or give them credit for it? A lot of schools are getting way more exposure than ever before. Whether they make it to Omaha or not, that's still a win for them.
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(06-04-2019 01:12 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 12:57 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 11:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  SEC 6
ACC 4
PAC 2
B12 2
B1G 1
AAC 1

Doesn't seem to matter what sport - the Big Dogs (P5) are gonna eat.

It's hard for non-wealthy programs to sustain success after large numbers of the wealthier programs become interested in a sport, outspending them 5 to 1 or more, and hiring away successful coaches by tripling their salaries.

For those of you who like to blame ESPN for absolutely everything: In college baseball, this is something you actually can blame on ESPN. Once ESPN started showing every game of the College World Series in Omaha on TV, a lot more P5 schools decided to throw money at head coaches, assistant coaches, better facilities, more money for recruiting, etc. When the only CWS game that was widely available on TV was the single championship game in Omaha, a lot of wealthy programs didn't care. It was only after ESPN started showing two weeks' worth of games in Omaha that schools with money to burn started saying, "We have the resources to do that and get our logo on ESPN for two weeks in June, so why aren't we ever in Omaha?"

An appropriate question might be should we blame ESPN for this, or give them credit for it? A lot of schools are getting way more exposure than ever before. Whether they make it to Omaha or not, that's still a win for them.

If you're Vanderbilt or Michigan, you give ESPN credit, and if you're Cal State Fullerton, you give them blame. 07-coffee3

You can also credit or blame the NCAA for expanding the tournament to 64 teams and changing the format at the same time. The expansion put a lot more programs into the field each year, and changing from 6-team regionals to 4-team regionals made it much more likely for an underdog team to win a regional.
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(06-04-2019 01:20 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 01:12 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 12:57 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 11:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  SEC 6
ACC 4
PAC 2
B12 2
B1G 1
AAC 1

Doesn't seem to matter what sport - the Big Dogs (P5) are gonna eat.

It's hard for non-wealthy programs to sustain success after large numbers of the wealthier programs become interested in a sport, outspending them 5 to 1 or more, and hiring away successful coaches by tripling their salaries.

For those of you who like to blame ESPN for absolutely everything: In college baseball, this is something you actually can blame on ESPN. Once ESPN started showing every game of the College World Series in Omaha on TV, a lot more P5 schools decided to throw money at head coaches, assistant coaches, better facilities, more money for recruiting, etc. When the only CWS game that was widely available on TV was the single championship game in Omaha, a lot of wealthy programs didn't care. It was only after ESPN started showing two weeks' worth of games in Omaha that schools with money to burn started saying, "We have the resources to do that and get our logo on ESPN for two weeks in June, so why aren't we ever in Omaha?"

An appropriate question might be should we blame ESPN for this, or give them credit for it? A lot of schools are getting way more exposure than ever before. Whether they make it to Omaha or not, that's still a win for them.

If you're Vanderbilt or Michigan, you give ESPN credit, and if you're Cal State Fullerton, you give them blame. 07-coffee3

You can also credit or blame the NCAA for expanding the tournament to 64 teams and changing the format at the same time. The expansion put a lot more programs into the field each year, and changing from 6-team regionals to 4-team regionals made it much more likely for an underdog team to win a regional.
The Big West isn't exactly an afterthought. Fullerton, Irvine, and UCSB have all been to Omaha in the last 5 years. UCSB would have been a regional host this year if they didn't trip up in the conference tournament. I mean, two years ago, a Sun Belt team walked home with the trophy. Mid-major baseball isn't exactly in a death spiral. This just happens sometimes. You get Cinderellas some years, and some years you don't. Illinois State, Campbell, and LMU just had to win 1 of 2 in the regional final to advance, and they couldn't seal the deal.
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(06-04-2019 03:57 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 01:20 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 01:12 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 12:57 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 11:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  SEC 6
ACC 4
PAC 2
B12 2
B1G 1
AAC 1

Doesn't seem to matter what sport - the Big Dogs (P5) are gonna eat.

It's hard for non-wealthy programs to sustain success after large numbers of the wealthier programs become interested in a sport, outspending them 5 to 1 or more, and hiring away successful coaches by tripling their salaries.

For those of you who like to blame ESPN for absolutely everything: In college baseball, this is something you actually can blame on ESPN. Once ESPN started showing every game of the College World Series in Omaha on TV, a lot more P5 schools decided to throw money at head coaches, assistant coaches, better facilities, more money for recruiting, etc. When the only CWS game that was widely available on TV was the single championship game in Omaha, a lot of wealthy programs didn't care. It was only after ESPN started showing two weeks' worth of games in Omaha that schools with money to burn started saying, "We have the resources to do that and get our logo on ESPN for two weeks in June, so why aren't we ever in Omaha?"

An appropriate question might be should we blame ESPN for this, or give them credit for it? A lot of schools are getting way more exposure than ever before. Whether they make it to Omaha or not, that's still a win for them.

If you're Vanderbilt or Michigan, you give ESPN credit, and if you're Cal State Fullerton, you give them blame. 07-coffee3

You can also credit or blame the NCAA for expanding the tournament to 64 teams and changing the format at the same time. The expansion put a lot more programs into the field each year, and changing from 6-team regionals to 4-team regionals made it much more likely for an underdog team to win a regional.
The Big West isn't exactly an afterthought. Fullerton, Irvine, and UCSB have all been to Omaha in the last 5 years. UCSB would have been a regional host this year if they didn't trip up in the conference tournament. I mean, two years ago, a Sun Belt team walked home with the trophy. Mid-major baseball isn't exactly in a death spiral. This just happens sometimes. You get Cinderellas some years, and some years you don't. Illinois State, Campbell, and LMU just had to win 1 of 2 in the regional final to advance, and they couldn't seal the deal.

Bingo. All though the BW doesn't have a conference tournament, everything else you posted is spot on. Losing two of three vs Cal Poly is what cost UCSB a national seed.

Fresno was in prime position as well in the regional. All they had to do was win 1 of 2 in the regional final to advance, and they couldn't seal the deal. So they join Illinois State, Campbell and LMU as those who came up just short of a Super Regional.
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(06-04-2019 10:59 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  ECU would be the only World Series newbie if they won the Super

Against Louisville? We've seen that story before... 05-stirthepot
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Hey Wedge, out west it's difficult sometimes to make headway when everyone is grouped together to cut costs. Six California teams in two regionals.

Case in point: Stanford advances out a regional that also featured UCSB, Fresno State and Sacramento State. It was an all-California regional. One that had three nationally ranked teams and a 4th in Sacramento State who won 40 games. Spread those teams around and who knows how they perform? Instead only Stanford outlasts the pack. Meanwhile, UCLA had to take 2 of 3 from Loyola Marymount.

Oddly enough, both UCSB and NC State ended up in the exact same situation on opposite coasts. 2 seeds not awarded a national seed and sent to nearby regionals with nearby foes. And both went 0-2. In NC State's case, both of their opponents (ECU and Campbell) are even closer in proximity to them than UCSB's opponents (Fresno State, Sacramento State) to Santa Barbara.

NC State's coach complained before the start of the NCAA Tournament about that, being lumped with two nearby opponents. He's not a fan at all.
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(06-04-2019 01:20 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 01:12 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 12:57 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 11:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  SEC 6
ACC 4
PAC 2
B12 2
B1G 1
AAC 1

Doesn't seem to matter what sport - the Big Dogs (P5) are gonna eat.

It's hard for non-wealthy programs to sustain success after large numbers of the wealthier programs become interested in a sport, outspending them 5 to 1 or more, and hiring away successful coaches by tripling their salaries.

For those of you who like to blame ESPN for absolutely everything: In college baseball, this is something you actually can blame on ESPN. Once ESPN started showing every game of the College World Series in Omaha on TV, a lot more P5 schools decided to throw money at head coaches, assistant coaches, better facilities, more money for recruiting, etc. When the only CWS game that was widely available on TV was the single championship game in Omaha, a lot of wealthy programs didn't care. It was only after ESPN started showing two weeks' worth of games in Omaha that schools with money to burn started saying, "We have the resources to do that and get our logo on ESPN for two weeks in June, so why aren't we ever in Omaha?"

An appropriate question might be should we blame ESPN for this, or give them credit for it? A lot of schools are getting way more exposure than ever before. Whether they make it to Omaha or not, that's still a win for them.

If you're Vanderbilt or Michigan, you give ESPN credit, and if you're Cal State Fullerton, you give them blame. 07-coffee3

You can also credit or blame the NCAA for expanding the tournament to 64 teams and changing the format at the same time. The expansion put a lot more programs into the field each year, and changing from 6-team regionals to 4-team regionals made it much more likely for an underdog team to win a regional.

Well, they learned it from the NCAA who kept expanding the NCAA tournament, which of course was made popular and lucrative only when "every game" was on the tube somewhere.
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(06-04-2019 04:53 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Hey Wedge, out west it's difficult sometimes to make headway when everyone is grouped together to cut costs. Six California teams in two regionals.

Case in point: Stanford advances out a regional that also featured UCSB, Fresno State and Sacramento State. It was an all-California regional. One that had three nationally ranked teams and a 4th in Sacramento State who won 40 games. Spread those teams around and who knows how they perform? Instead only Stanford outlasts the pack. Meanwhile, UCLA had to take 2 of 3 from Loyola Marymount.

Oddly enough, both UCSB and NC State ended up in the exact same situation on opposite coasts. 2 seeds not awarded a national seed and sent to nearby regionals with nearby foes. And both went 0-2. In NC State's case, both of their opponents (ECU and Campbell) are even closer in proximity to them than UCSB's opponents (Fresno State, Sacramento State) to Santa Barbara.

NC State's coach complained before the start of the NCAA Tournament about that, being lumped with two nearby opponents. He's not a fan at all.

You're forgetting that the Cal Bears were in the Arkansas regional. They were the first team eliminated.

Looking at it another way, having 4 CA teams in one regional guaranteed that at least 1 CA team made it to the Sweet 16.
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(06-04-2019 04:53 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Hey Wedge, out west it's difficult sometimes to make headway when everyone is grouped together to cut costs. Six California teams in two regionals.

The selection committee does that all the time. I suspect that the committee and ESPN want to increase the likelihood of geographic diversity in Omaha by having teams in close proximity eliminate each other. So they often create regionals with 3 or 4 California teams, or 3 or 4 Florida teams, or 3 or 4 North/South Carolina teams, etc. (The committee's only self-imposed restriction on that is not putting conference mates together in the same 4-team regional.) The baseball tournament has never been seeded 1-64 in order like the basketball tournament allegedly is.

It's always going to be very likely that a Big West team, for example, is in the same regional with a Pac-12 team and at least one other western team, except when the number of Big West teams in the tournament exceeds the number of western regional sites. That's when teams get sent 1,000 miles away.
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(06-04-2019 08:15 AM)bullet Wrote:  Men's tournament followed the script pretty well. 12 of 16 seeds won. The Georgia schools (Tech #3 and UGA #4) and #15 WVU and #16 Oregon St. were the only ones who lost. Although except for #2 Auburn winning the GT regional, it was #3 seeds-Duke, Michigan and FSU.

The super-regionals are
UCLA-Michigan
Texas Tech-Oklahoma St.
Arkansas-Ole Miss
LSU-FSU
Vanderbilt-Duke
ECU-Louisville
Miss St.-Stanford
UNC-Auburn

Many of the top programs not in this year. Only FSU, LSU and Stanford are top 10 in CWS appearances.

Kinda nice seeing a good mix this year. Obviously I want Texas Tech to make their 4th CWS in 6 years but I wish all schools the best.
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(06-04-2019 04:53 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Hey Wedge, out west it's difficult sometimes to make headway when everyone is grouped together to cut costs. Six California teams in two regionals.

The selection committee does that all the time. I suspect that the committee and ESPN want to increase the likelihood of geographic diversity in Omaha by having teams in close proximity eliminate each other. So they often create regionals with 3 or 4 California teams, or 3 or 4 Florida teams, or 3 or 4 North/South Carolina teams, etc. (The committee's only self-imposed restriction on that is not putting conference mates together in the same 4-team regional.) The baseball tournament has never been seeded 1-64 in order like the basketball tournament allegedly is.

It's always going to be very likely that a Big West team, for example, is in the same regional with a Pac-12 team and at least one other western team, except when the number of Big West teams in the tournament exceeds the number of western regional sites. That's when teams get sent 1,000 miles away.

Yes, but all 4 CA teams in one regional? That's a bit much.
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(06-04-2019 06:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 04:53 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Hey Wedge, out west it's difficult sometimes to make headway when everyone is grouped together to cut costs. Six California teams in two regionals.

The selection committee does that all the time. I suspect that the committee and ESPN want to increase the likelihood of geographic diversity in Omaha by having teams in close proximity eliminate each other. So they often create regionals with 3 or 4 California teams, or 3 or 4 Florida teams, or 3 or 4 North/South Carolina teams, etc. (The committee's only self-imposed restriction on that is not putting conference mates together in the same 4-team regional.) The baseball tournament has never been seeded 1-64 in order like the basketball tournament allegedly is.

It's always going to be very likely that a Big West team, for example, is in the same regional with a Pac-12 team and at least one other western team, except when the number of Big West teams in the tournament exceeds the number of western regional sites. That's when teams get sent 1,000 miles away.
More than anything, it's to keep costs down, since baseball's a net loss for just about every school outside of the SEC. You'd end up with some very angry ADs and maybe a few programs getting dropped if they started sending lower seeds all over the country when there are bus-friendly regionals in their area they could be in instead.

(06-04-2019 06:16 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 06:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 04:53 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Hey Wedge, out west it's difficult sometimes to make headway when everyone is grouped together to cut costs. Six California teams in two regionals.

The selection committee does that all the time. I suspect that the committee and ESPN want to increase the likelihood of geographic diversity in Omaha by having teams in close proximity eliminate each other. So they often create regionals with 3 or 4 California teams, or 3 or 4 Florida teams, or 3 or 4 North/South Carolina teams, etc. (The committee's only self-imposed restriction on that is not putting conference mates together in the same 4-team regional.) The baseball tournament has never been seeded 1-64 in order like the basketball tournament allegedly is.

It's always going to be very likely that a Big West team, for example, is in the same regional with a Pac-12 team and at least one other western team, except when the number of Big West teams in the tournament exceeds the number of western regional sites. That's when teams get sent 1,000 miles away.

Yes, but all 4 CA teams in one regional? That's a bit much.
I've seen it happen with Texas and the Carolinas. It's not a California thing, it's a "this state has a bunch of good teams" thing.
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(06-04-2019 06:17 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 06:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 04:53 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Hey Wedge, out west it's difficult sometimes to make headway when everyone is grouped together to cut costs. Six California teams in two regionals.

The selection committee does that all the time. I suspect that the committee and ESPN want to increase the likelihood of geographic diversity in Omaha by having teams in close proximity eliminate each other. So they often create regionals with 3 or 4 California teams, or 3 or 4 Florida teams, or 3 or 4 North/South Carolina teams, etc. (The committee's only self-imposed restriction on that is not putting conference mates together in the same 4-team regional.) The baseball tournament has never been seeded 1-64 in order like the basketball tournament allegedly is.

It's always going to be very likely that a Big West team, for example, is in the same regional with a Pac-12 team and at least one other western team, except when the number of Big West teams in the tournament exceeds the number of western regional sites. That's when teams get sent 1,000 miles away.
More than anything, it's to keep costs down, since baseball's a net loss for just about every school outside of the SEC. You'd end up with some very angry ADs and maybe a few programs getting dropped if they started sending lower seeds all over the country when there are bus-friendly regionals in their area they could be in instead.

(06-04-2019 06:16 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 06:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 04:53 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Hey Wedge, out west it's difficult sometimes to make headway when everyone is grouped together to cut costs. Six California teams in two regionals.

The selection committee does that all the time. I suspect that the committee and ESPN want to increase the likelihood of geographic diversity in Omaha by having teams in close proximity eliminate each other. So they often create regionals with 3 or 4 California teams, or 3 or 4 Florida teams, or 3 or 4 North/South Carolina teams, etc. (The committee's only self-imposed restriction on that is not putting conference mates together in the same 4-team regional.) The baseball tournament has never been seeded 1-64 in order like the basketball tournament allegedly is.

It's always going to be very likely that a Big West team, for example, is in the same regional with a Pac-12 team and at least one other western team, except when the number of Big West teams in the tournament exceeds the number of western regional sites. That's when teams get sent 1,000 miles away.

Yes, but all 4 CA teams in one regional? That's a bit much.
I've seen it happen with Texas and the Carolinas. It's not a California thing, it's a "this state has a bunch of good teams" thing.

Right, it's "this state has a lot of teams in the field, and we want to pare them down so that teams from different regions end up in Omaha."
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(06-04-2019 06:17 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 06:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 04:53 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Hey Wedge, out west it's difficult sometimes to make headway when everyone is grouped together to cut costs. Six California teams in two regionals.

The selection committee does that all the time. I suspect that the committee and ESPN want to increase the likelihood of geographic diversity in Omaha by having teams in close proximity eliminate each other. So they often create regionals with 3 or 4 California teams, or 3 or 4 Florida teams, or 3 or 4 North/South Carolina teams, etc. (The committee's only self-imposed restriction on that is not putting conference mates together in the same 4-team regional.) The baseball tournament has never been seeded 1-64 in order like the basketball tournament allegedly is.

It's always going to be very likely that a Big West team, for example, is in the same regional with a Pac-12 team and at least one other western team, except when the number of Big West teams in the tournament exceeds the number of western regional sites. That's when teams get sent 1,000 miles away.
More than anything, it's to keep costs down, since baseball's a net loss for just about every school outside of the SEC. You'd end up with some very angry ADs and maybe a few programs getting dropped if they started sending lower seeds all over the country when there are bus-friendly regionals in their area they could be in instead.

(06-04-2019 06:16 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 06:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 04:53 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Hey Wedge, out west it's difficult sometimes to make headway when everyone is grouped together to cut costs. Six California teams in two regionals.

The selection committee does that all the time. I suspect that the committee and ESPN want to increase the likelihood of geographic diversity in Omaha by having teams in close proximity eliminate each other. So they often create regionals with 3 or 4 California teams, or 3 or 4 Florida teams, or 3 or 4 North/South Carolina teams, etc. (The committee's only self-imposed restriction on that is not putting conference mates together in the same 4-team regional.) The baseball tournament has never been seeded 1-64 in order like the basketball tournament allegedly is.

It's always going to be very likely that a Big West team, for example, is in the same regional with a Pac-12 team and at least one other western team, except when the number of Big West teams in the tournament exceeds the number of western regional sites. That's when teams get sent 1,000 miles away.

Yes, but all 4 CA teams in one regional? That's a bit much.
I've seen it happen with Texas and the Carolinas. It's not a California thing, it's a "this state has a bunch of good teams" thing.

Has it ever happened when three of the teams are nationally ranked and even the 4 seed finishes with 40 wins?
06-04-2019 06:38 PM
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(06-04-2019 06:38 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 06:17 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 06:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 04:53 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Hey Wedge, out west it's difficult sometimes to make headway when everyone is grouped together to cut costs. Six California teams in two regionals.

The selection committee does that all the time. I suspect that the committee and ESPN want to increase the likelihood of geographic diversity in Omaha by having teams in close proximity eliminate each other. So they often create regionals with 3 or 4 California teams, or 3 or 4 Florida teams, or 3 or 4 North/South Carolina teams, etc. (The committee's only self-imposed restriction on that is not putting conference mates together in the same 4-team regional.) The baseball tournament has never been seeded 1-64 in order like the basketball tournament allegedly is.

It's always going to be very likely that a Big West team, for example, is in the same regional with a Pac-12 team and at least one other western team, except when the number of Big West teams in the tournament exceeds the number of western regional sites. That's when teams get sent 1,000 miles away.
More than anything, it's to keep costs down, since baseball's a net loss for just about every school outside of the SEC. You'd end up with some very angry ADs and maybe a few programs getting dropped if they started sending lower seeds all over the country when there are bus-friendly regionals in their area they could be in instead.

(06-04-2019 06:16 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 06:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 04:53 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Hey Wedge, out west it's difficult sometimes to make headway when everyone is grouped together to cut costs. Six California teams in two regionals.

The selection committee does that all the time. I suspect that the committee and ESPN want to increase the likelihood of geographic diversity in Omaha by having teams in close proximity eliminate each other. So they often create regionals with 3 or 4 California teams, or 3 or 4 Florida teams, or 3 or 4 North/South Carolina teams, etc. (The committee's only self-imposed restriction on that is not putting conference mates together in the same 4-team regional.) The baseball tournament has never been seeded 1-64 in order like the basketball tournament allegedly is.

It's always going to be very likely that a Big West team, for example, is in the same regional with a Pac-12 team and at least one other western team, except when the number of Big West teams in the tournament exceeds the number of western regional sites. That's when teams get sent 1,000 miles away.

Yes, but all 4 CA teams in one regional? That's a bit much.
I've seen it happen with Texas and the Carolinas. It's not a California thing, it's a "this state has a bunch of good teams" thing.

Has it ever happened when three of the teams are nationally ranked and even the 4 seed finishes with 40 wins?
No, but that's poor seeding on the part of the committee more than anything. Fresno shouldn't have been a 3 seed and UCSB should have been a regional host.
How on earth did Sac State play so many games that year? Playing over 60 before the NCAAs even start is crazy.
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At the end of the day, isn't college baseball far better than it used to be? We can all nitpick seeding and placement decisions. That will always happen in any tournament and in every sport. Controversy is never a bad thing in sports - apathy is.

Wedge is right. Once the big dogs had a reason to want to compete seriously, their natural advantages were inevitably going to bring them to the top. When Title IX went into effect, look what happened to women's basketball and women's soccer. The Immaculatas and Delta States of the world weren't going to dominate any more. The big dogs were.

Is it a bad thing when 12 different states are represented in the Super Regionals (Sweet Sixteen)? Or that 8 different states are hosting one? Not to me. Is it a bad thing that so many baseball players are now choosing to play in college instead of the minor leagues? ESPN's and Fox's money have a lot to do with that. Is it a bad thing that we now have college baseball and softball to watch in what used to be a dead time of year between basketball and football?

All in all, I can't find it in me to complain about any of that.
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