This could work as another mega-conference marriage alternative. But boy would this piss off the B1G. Two timed by their Pasadena love partner.

However, this would have to be structured very carefully. You ABSOLUTELY DO NOT want the non-revenue sports flying between the coasts. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. And you only want games between the coasts for marquee matchups in revenue sports. At that point you're under the same umbrella, but more or less segregated.

Now the California schools also come with California political baggage. And while I think that would go down like gang busters in Chapel Hill ... I don't imagine it being so popular in Atlanta or Tallahassee or Greenville or Blacksburg or even Raleigh to name a few.

Provocative. But I prefer the Fuhrer Mickey Big12+SEC+[ACC-TeamsNorthOfThePotomac] setup. I cannot think of an arrangement more lucrative than that one.

UCLA in the ACC? I’ve read so many stupid realignment scenarios on this board for years but this one takes the cake. Not even the Dude from WV and Tuxedo Yoda would’ve come with anything as stupid as this.

(06-24-2019 03:11 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 02:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It's interesting to be sure. However there is an impasse looming between the state of California and the NCAA. A proposed law in California would allow pay for players beyond the limits recently hashed out by the NCAA. If passed the California law might cause the withdrawal from NCAA sanctioned events including championships.

What makes the UCLA story intriguing is that the GOR in the PAC expires within a year of that of the Big 12. The top schools in one could essentially form a new conference with the top schools of the other. That would be quite an interesting potential to explore.

But, if the California law turns that states schools sideways with the NCAA things could get really interesting. Would recruits flock to California to get paid? Would the other conferences pressure the NCAA to change? Would the non Cali schools break away from the PAC?

Anyway you look at it there's a boat load of change coming down the pike.

The California legislature pretty much lives in its own fantasy world when it comes to sports. This isn't the only law that creates a circular firing squad for Cali publics. Their mandated restrictions on travel to less "enlightened" states, which include Texas and Oklahoma, would pretty much put the kibosh on any kind of alliance with the Big XII (or any conference except maybe the B1G).

At some point, they would have to just form a new governing body for all their state supported schools. Just drop the "N" and call it the CAA - California Athletic Association.

You will see the NCAA allow players to get paid for their image, etc in the near future. It is not just "kooky Californians" that are advocating this.

And they are on the right side of history when it comes to equality, as well. I am sure if this board existed back in the days of segregation, there would be plenty of southerners and other conservatives making the same comments about schools refusing to play teams that weren't integrated.

(06-24-2019 05:36 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 03:11 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 02:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It's interesting to be sure. However there is an impasse looming between the state of California and the NCAA. A proposed law in California would allow pay for players beyond the limits recently hashed out by the NCAA. If passed the California law might cause the withdrawal from NCAA sanctioned events including championships.

What makes the UCLA story intriguing is that the GOR in the PAC expires within a year of that of the Big 12. The top schools in one could essentially form a new conference with the top schools of the other. That would be quite an interesting potential to explore.

But, if the California law turns that states schools sideways with the NCAA things could get really interesting. Would recruits flock to California to get paid? Would the other conferences pressure the NCAA to change? Would the non Cali schools break away from the PAC?

Anyway you look at it there's a boat load of change coming down the pike.

The California legislature pretty much lives in its own fantasy world when it comes to sports. This isn't the only law that creates a circular firing squad for Cali publics. Their mandated restrictions on travel to less "enlightened" states, which include Texas and Oklahoma, would pretty much put the kibosh on any kind of alliance with the Big XII (or any conference except maybe the B1G).

At some point, they would have to just form a new governing body for all their state supported schools. Just drop the "N" and call it the CAA - California Athletic Association.

You will see the NCAA allow players to get paid for their image, etc in the near future. It is not just "kooky Californians" that are advocating this.

And they are on the right side of history when it comes to equality, as well. I am sure if this board existed back in the days of segregation, there would be plenty of southerners and other conservatives making the same comments about schools refusing to play teams that weren't integrated.

You miss the main issue and then try to make a political point out of it. I think most coaches were already behind the kids getting to make money from their images, or even for increasing stipends. It's the AD's from the Big 10 and SEC and ACC and Big 12 and the hierarchy of the NCAA that don't want to go there. They are the ones making the money off of them, not the coaches per se. And I believe most fans in the various regions see the import of making this move as it is fair and we are a capitalist country and the players are risking injury to play.

It is why I suggested that one outcome might be the coaches and conferences pushing to the NCAA to acquiesce in this matter. But the bigger issue is that the NCAA organized itself around the principal of amateurism and any shift away from that position really negates the purpose of their existence which is why the impasse exists. AD's and bureaucrats can be overcome, and we all know the schools have enough money from athletics to cross this bridge.

I've argued that it will legitimize the whole experience for the student athlete as they would be above board and should get a W2 for their play, and would no longer have to keep anything they had received under wraps lest they be disqualified and their coaches fired or prosecuted. Institutions of higher learning should never be a party to an act that makes a student have to act outside of law, or without transparency. And yet hypocritically it happens everywhere and it is a disgrace to the purpose of education.

If (when?) we go this route I suggest some basic sanity checks, since the NCAA would have to left behind or retooled at the foundation level to achieve this.

- You don't want to get into a scenario where it becomes a bag man draft to go to college football. Because the black market prices for even average P5 OL, based on LSU's recent embarrassment, is $180,000 (+scholarship +athleticsupportstaff +stipend +books +nutritionplan +mealplan +board +academicsupportstaff +swag +gear +travel). We're talking a quarter mil just for an average OL. How much would Bama drop for the #1 overall OL? How much would Ohio State?

- The rules need to encourage transparency and honesty in recruiting instead of micromanagement. You should be able to sign a LOI whenever you want to period full stop. Having artificial windows for LOI leads to all kinds of games and hat reveals on TV and other non-sense. You're committed? Here's the LOI, sign right there.

- The transfer genie is out of the bottle ..... you can transfer anywhere and be immediately eligible starting next season. I would like some basic academic sanity checks as a condition though. You must be making progress toward a degree, you must have a minimum 2.0/2.5 GPA, etc. Players shouldn't be allowed to throw away their academic career in pursuit of starts for their athletic one.


It's time for the 95% of the P5 to look around and stop the runaway freight train of most money wins. Every other sport has caps. As a compromise ... a luxury tax like MLB. Note I'm not asking for equality of outcome. If you have superior revenue streams from larger fan bases then great, that's valid, enjoy that advantage. But I am asking for basic fiscal sanity. You'll kill the sport eventually if it becomes a money arms race. Even Formula-1, where it got the point of spending $1,000,000 per second gained on the track had to pull back and install caps. And that's before you get into wiley Americans showing up with snowblower engines in their car sucking them to the road for ludicrous cornering (tip of the hat to Chaparral).

(06-24-2019 12:19 PM)sctvman Wrote:  The site “JohnWallStreet” suggests that Casey Wasserman, UCLA mega-donor, is trying to steer his alma mater to the ACC after their contract with the PAC-12 runs out in 2023 (where he is an advisor)...

https://johnwallstreet.com/early-entrant...l-digital/

In what sense is the site quoted a "financial site"?

The more interesting aspects of the article is the potential Big12-Pac12 partnership and the fact that Sinclair is now putting together a deal to buy the ATT RSN's. That would increase the reach of any nationwide linear network of RSN's where STADIUM college content could potentially be aired.

The CA 4, Oregon, and Washington would be right to consider a relationship with the ACC or Big Ten.

(06-24-2019 12:28 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Nothing screams Atlantic Coast like California-Los Angeles.

Its all one big ocean...

(06-24-2019 12:46 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 12:28 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Nothing screams Atlantic Coast like California-Los Angeles.

Conferences names are meaningless, just look at the Big 10 and Big XII

There are ten Big schools in the Big Ten, and three big ones in the Bix XII ... one of them with an "X" in their name.

Sorting out the four little schools in the Big Ten and the seven little ones in the Big XII is an exercise left to the reader.

I think he's just trying to create doubt. It is similar to what Texas did when they were flirting with everyone and their sister.

UConn should park their football in the Big Sky Conference.

That’s it, add Texas and UCLA and change the name to “A Coast Conference”!





Back to reality, that’s not happening.

(06-24-2019 05:12 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  This could work as another mega-conference marriage alternative. But boy would this piss off the B1G. Two timed by their Pasadena love partner.

However, this would have to be structured very carefully. You ABSOLUTELY DO NOT want the non-revenue sports flying between the coasts. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. And you only want games between the coasts for marquee matchups in revenue sports. At that point you're under the same umbrella, but more or less segregated.

Now the California schools also come with California political baggage. And while I think that would go down like gang busters in Chapel Hill ... I don't imagine it being so popular in Atlanta or Tallahassee or Greenville or Blacksburg or even Raleigh to name a few.

Provocative. But I prefer the Fuhrer Mickey Big12+SEC+[ACC-TeamsNorthOfThePotomac] setup. I cannot think of an arrangement more lucrative than that one.

I read that Mark Packer mentioned this on his radio show.
He said:
That talks had already taken place and that both parties were interested.

I did not hear this myself, so I can't confirm the conversation.

Years ago the PAC contacted the ACC about a joint network.....start broadcasts in the east shift to the west during the day.
Realignment could get really interesting.

(06-25-2019 08:21 AM)esayem Wrote:  That’s it, add Texas and UCLA and change the name to “A Coast Conference”!





Back to reality, that’s not happening.

Personally I prefer The BCC....
The Both Coasts Conference