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(06-03-2019 09:11 PM)dsquare Wrote:  
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(06-03-2019 08:09 PM)Lush Wrote:  jaevin would most likely be a bearcat if mick were still here. imo

Highly doubt it. For one, Mick refused to recruit grad transfers. Also, Jaevin was not considered a take by Cronin's staff and not looked at.

Mick offered multiple grad transfers this spring before going to UCLA. He didn't like offering grad transfer (or transfers even), but we had a pretty glaring need for another guard. Though I agree he probably would not have offered Jaevin (probably someone more like McNeal who could backup Moore/Johnson).

and those are the types of decisions you miss?

EXACTLY!!!!!!!

I'm happy Mick got a "Blue Chip" job and I'm happy JB is our coach. I'm very happy with JB's start, recruiting wise, knowing he is just filling holes right now and his '20 and, really, his '21 classes will be indicative of the type of system he wants to run. I'm eager to see what he does this season with the roster he currently has. Early season bumps in the road can be attributed to new system and chemistry building however this team should be positioned for at least an NCAA birth. I am also looking forward to moving forward with JB as our coach and the staff he has built. I think this team is going to be exciting and high scoring and the coach will be demanding of his players. I also think the dancing Bearcat on Twitter will be the result of higher level signings going forward. Time to look forward and get the shoe rocking again this fall.
 
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RE: Another Dancing Bearcat
(06-03-2019 09:20 PM)skyblade Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 09:02 PM)Lush Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 08:58 PM)skyblade Wrote:  
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(06-03-2019 08:09 PM)Lush Wrote:  jaevin would most likely be a bearcat if mick were still here. imo

Highly doubt it. For one, Mick refused to recruit grad transfers. Also, Jaevin was not considered a take by Cronin's staff and not looked at.

Mick offered multiple grad transfers this spring before going to UCLA. He didn't like offering grad transfer (or transfers even), but we had a pretty glaring need for another guard. Though I agree he probably would not have offered Jaevin (probably someone more like McNeal who could backup Moore/Johnson).

and those are the types of decisions you miss?

I've never said I loved everything about Cronin, I was critical of several things about him. I was okay with his philosophy of not taking start spots from players who worked hard, as we saw it built a very consistently winning program with very few transfers out. Grad transfers are a more boom bust strategy long term.

The everything negative about Cronin crowd has turned to the unwilling to hear anything but positives about Brannen crowd. Brannen has done plenty of good things (Jaevin being the biggest), but that doesn't mean that every player he's recruited is great. He has brought on a number of role players (Sorolla and possibly McNeal, Vogt), that's okay and they are filling positions of need, late in the year with limited options available. I don't really see a problem with saying Sorolla is clearly not starter material, he doesn't need to be a starter to fill the role I believe Brannen brought him on for (which is mostly to help us deal with teams who have bruiser type bigs).

word up
 
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(06-03-2019 07:39 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 05:20 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Live look-in at Hepblade after he read the Jaevin Cumberland to UC News...

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LMAO!!!!! Looks to me like his talents as a driver and a talent evaluator are about equal....04-cheers

haha Hepblade neg repped me for this one. Too funny.
 
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(06-03-2019 08:09 PM)Lush Wrote:  jaevin would most likely be a bearcat if mick were still here. imo

Highly doubt it. For one, Mick refused to recruit grad transfers. Also, Jaevin was not considered a take by Cronin's staff and not looked at.

Mick offered multiple grad transfers this spring before going to UCLA. He didn't like offering grad transfer (or transfers even), but we had a pretty glaring need for another guard. Though I agree he probably would not have offered Jaevin (probably someone more like McNeal who could backup Moore/Johnson).

Mick who?
 
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RE: Another Dancing Bearcat
(06-03-2019 09:20 PM)skyblade Wrote:  
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(06-03-2019 08:58 PM)skyblade Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 08:22 PM)jarr Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 08:09 PM)Lush Wrote:  jaevin would most likely be a bearcat if mick were still here. imo

Highly doubt it. For one, Mick refused to recruit grad transfers. Also, Jaevin was not considered a take by Cronin's staff and not looked at.

Mick offered multiple grad transfers this spring before going to UCLA. He didn't like offering grad transfer (or transfers even), but we had a pretty glaring need for another guard. Though I agree he probably would not have offered Jaevin (probably someone more like McNeal who could backup Moore/Johnson).

and those are the types of decisions you miss?

I've never said I loved everything about Cronin, I was critical of several things about him. I was okay with his philosophy of not taking start spots from players who worked hard, as we saw it built a very consistently winning program with very few transfers out. Grad transfers are a more boom bust strategy long term.

The everything negative about Cronin crowd has turned to the unwilling to hear anything but positives about Brannen crowd. Brannen has done plenty of good things (Jaevin being the biggest), but that doesn't mean that every player he's recruited is great. He has brought on a number of role players (Sorolla and possibly McNeal, Vogt), that's okay and they are filling positions of need, late in the year with limited options available. I don't really see a problem with saying Sorolla is clearly not starter material, he doesn't need to be a starter to fill the role I believe Brannen brought him on for (which is mostly to help us deal with teams who have bruiser type bigs).

What makes your comments so ridiculous is the people who were critical of Mick, had 13 years of data to go off of. You have not even given Brannen 3 months with your nonsense.
 
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RE: Another Dancing Bearcat
(06-03-2019 10:15 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 09:20 PM)skyblade Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 09:02 PM)Lush Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 08:58 PM)skyblade Wrote:  
(06-03-2019 08:22 PM)jarr Wrote:  Highly doubt it. For one, Mick refused to recruit grad transfers. Also, Jaevin was not considered a take by Cronin's staff and not looked at.

Mick offered multiple grad transfers this spring before going to UCLA. He didn't like offering grad transfer (or transfers even), but we had a pretty glaring need for another guard. Though I agree he probably would not have offered Jaevin (probably someone more like McNeal who could backup Moore/Johnson).

and those are the types of decisions you miss?

I've never said I loved everything about Cronin, I was critical of several things about him. I was okay with his philosophy of not taking start spots from players who worked hard, as we saw it built a very consistently winning program with very few transfers out. Grad transfers are a more boom bust strategy long term.

The everything negative about Cronin crowd has turned to the unwilling to hear anything but positives about Brannen crowd. Brannen has done plenty of good things (Jaevin being the biggest), but that doesn't mean that every player he's recruited is great. He has brought on a number of role players (Sorolla and possibly McNeal, Vogt), that's okay and they are filling positions of need, late in the year with limited options available. I don't really see a problem with saying Sorolla is clearly not starter material, he doesn't need to be a starter to fill the role I believe Brannen brought him on for (which is mostly to help us deal with teams who have bruiser type bigs).

What makes your comments so ridiculous is the people who were critical of Mick, had 13 years of data to go off of. You have not even given Brannen 3 months with your nonsense.

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I'm going to apologize for interrupting another thread of coaching discussion with a basketball question...

First ill preface by saying that I only understand basketball at the most basic of levels, and if it were not for UC I would probably not watch the sport. I understand that Cumberland #2 was a good shooter and has a track record of scoring at Oakland. I do understand that he had an offer/commitment to Michigan at one point. Why is Cumberland given a pass for playing in the Horizon while many saw Vogt as a questionable transfer because of his previous league affiliation?

I understand Vogt does not have "sexy" stats, but he is also younger and was not a starter. I am happy to get Cumberland, but it seems odd the knock against one kid was that " Oh we are now signing horizon level players, this is bad" and now with Cumberland it is "we are built for March" ...yet they were players from the same league.
 
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Poor Dan Hoard. They radio play-by-play just got a little more difficult this year.
 
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(06-04-2019 06:46 AM)Banter Wrote:  I'm going to apologize for interrupting another thread of coaching discussion with a basketball question...

First ill preface by saying that I only understand basketball at the most basic of levels, and if it were not for UC I would probably not watch the sport. I understand that Cumberland #2 was a good shooter and has a track record of scoring at Oakland. I do understand that he had an offer/commitment to Michigan at one point. Why is Cumberland given a pass for playing in the Horizon while many saw Vogt as a questionable transfer because of his previous league affiliation?

I understand Vogt does not have "sexy" stats, but he is also younger and was not a starter. I am happy to get Cumberland, but it seems odd the knock against one kid was that " Oh we are now signing horizon level players, this is bad" and now with Cumberland it is "we are built for March" ...yet they were players from the same league.

Mostly because of the stats they put up. It's hard to make the jump from the lower level, but those who do have success tend to be stars at the lower level. Cane Broome for example was a star at Sacred Heart and was a quality backup at UC.

The other thing is players have to be able to deal with the increased size and strength of players at the higher level. Broome was a slasher and scored a lot on the interior at Sacred Heart, but at UC he had trouble getting to the rim and scoring with consistency. Body type matters and playing style matter when it comes to making the jump.

Jaevin was a star at a Oakland. But his bread and butter is as a spot up 3 point shooter. Three point shooting is easier to carry over than Slashing because threes are generally more open shots. With Jarron drawing the defensive focus, Jaevin may actually have any easier time getting open looks at UC. Defensively he's athletic enough to do well at UC's level, though he won't be a great defender.

Vogt and Sorolla on the other hand were backup bigs for their team. Vogt is skinny for his size (7'1", 240#), Nysier was listed at the same weight, but 2 inches shorter and Nysier was fairly skinny. To have a chance at this level, Vogt needs to put on weight in his transfer year. Neither of the Vogt or Sorolla is particularly impressive offensively, both had a TOV% of around 20%, Vogt was a horrible FT shooter and also committed a ton of fouls (Sorolla shot FT's reasonably well). Getting bodied by bigger/quicker guys will make everything harder for them.

It's difficult for the top low level players to make the jump to the higher level, expecting backups to make that jump and become a starter is very unrealistic. Vogt has multiple years so he might be able to do it, but Sorolla is probably just a backup/role-player here. I think both of them (especially Sorolla) will be counted as a success if they can provide 5-10 minutes per game and clog the lane on D and not get pushed around by the other teams big men. Offensively they can set screens and dunk the ball.
 
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RE: Another Dancing Bearcat
(06-04-2019 06:46 AM)Banter Wrote:  I'm going to apologize for interrupting another thread of coaching discussion with a basketball question...

First ill preface by saying that I only understand basketball at the most basic of levels, and if it were not for UC I would probably not watch the sport. I understand that Cumberland #2 was a good shooter and has a track record of scoring at Oakland. I do understand that he had an offer/commitment to Michigan at one point. Why is Cumberland given a pass for playing in the Horizon while many saw Vogt as a questionable transfer because of his previous league affiliation?

I understand Vogt does not have "sexy" stats, but he is also younger and was not a starter. I am happy to get Cumberland, but it seems odd the knock against one kid was that " Oh we are now signing horizon level players, this is bad" and now with Cumberland it is "we are built for March" ...yet they were players from the same league.

For Cumberland, I think it's the percentages that pop out. the 3 point line and free throw line never moves from conference to conference and he shot ~40% from 3 and a hefty 85% from the charity stripe. And it wasn't only Michigan that offered him - he had very real offers from Oregon and NC State and they can break a player's game down better than anyone on these boards. His role will diminish a bit with Jarron and Keith getting their buckets but he will be a big contributor.
 
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(06-04-2019 08:12 AM)skyblade Wrote:  Jaevin was a star at a Oakland. But his bread and butter is as a spot up 3 point shooter. Three point shooting is easier to carry over than Slashing because threes are generally more open shots. With Jarron drawing the defensive focus, Jaevin may actually have any easier time getting open looks at UC. Defensively he's athletic enough to do well at UC's level, though he won't be a great defender.

He isn't going to average 17 a game but I think Jaevin is a candidate to have a huge impact. People look at the rates but it's hard to shoot at a high rate when you're shooting a high volume. He shot 40% while firing 8 3's a game. I saw a scout quote from Jeff Goodman saying Jaeving was a great shooter with deep range. Assuming he's playing with McNeal and Jarron you've got a point guard who was a great distributor last year and one of the best passing off guards in the country. If Jaevin is as good as the scout said and as good as his numbers indicate I could see him shooting well over 40% and us being really scary with those three and Tre. Then you have options of going small Keith or Prince or bringing in Sorolla and going big. Really exciting options.
 
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(06-04-2019 08:12 AM)skyblade Wrote:  Jaevin was a star at a Oakland. But his bread and butter is as a spot up 3 point shooter. Three point shooting is easier to carry over than Slashing because threes are generally more open shots. With Jarron drawing the defensive focus, Jaevin may actually have any easier time getting open looks at UC. Defensively he's athletic enough to do well at UC's level, though he won't be a great defender.

He isn't going to average 17 a game but I think Jaevin is a candidate to have a huge impact. People look at the rates but it's hard to shoot at a high rate when you're shooting a high volume. He shot 40% while firing 8 3's a game. I saw a scout quote from Jeff Goodman saying Jaeving was a great shooter with deep range. Assuming he's playing with McNeal and Jarron you've got a point guard who was a great distributor last year and one of the best passing off guards in the country. If Jaevin is as good as the scout said and as good as his numbers indicate I could see him shooting well over 40% and us being really scary with those three and Tre. Then you have options of going small Keith or Prince or bringing in Sorolla and going big. Really exciting options.

I'm still not convinced McNeal starts at PG. His stats are pretty bad in terms of three point shooting, FG% and assist/TO rate. I think our starting lineup will be Jarron, Jaevin, Keith, Scott, Diarra. If Diarra can hit threes at a good rate (which he should be able to), that lineup seems very difficult to stop. The defense will have to spread to cover the three and if they collapse there are a lot of good three point shooters to kick out to on the perimeter.
 
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(06-04-2019 08:32 AM)skyblade Wrote:  
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(06-04-2019 08:12 AM)skyblade Wrote:  Jaevin was a star at a Oakland. But his bread and butter is as a spot up 3 point shooter. Three point shooting is easier to carry over than Slashing because threes are generally more open shots. With Jarron drawing the defensive focus, Jaevin may actually have any easier time getting open looks at UC. Defensively he's athletic enough to do well at UC's level, though he won't be a great defender.

He isn't going to average 17 a game but I think Jaevin is a candidate to have a huge impact. People look at the rates but it's hard to shoot at a high rate when you're shooting a high volume. He shot 40% while firing 8 3's a game. I saw a scout quote from Jeff Goodman saying Jaeving was a great shooter with deep range. Assuming he's playing with McNeal and Jarron you've got a point guard who was a great distributor last year and one of the best passing off guards in the country. If Jaevin is as good as the scout said and as good as his numbers indicate I could see him shooting well over 40% and us being really scary with those three and Tre. Then you have options of going small Keith or Prince or bringing in Sorolla and going big. Really exciting options.

I'm still not convinced McNeal starts at PG. His stats are pretty bad in terms of three point shooting, FG% and assist/TO rate. I think our starting lineup will be Jarron, Jaevin, Keith, Scott, Diarra. If Diarra can hit threes at a good rate (which he should be able to), that lineup seems very difficult to stop. The defense will have to spread to cover the three and if they collapse there are a lot of good three point shooters to kick out to on the perimeter.

Diarra couldn't even hit 2's at a good rate. 27.6% on 2 point jumpers. It's an extreme stretch to say he can now hit 3's.
 
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(06-04-2019 08:39 AM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 08:32 AM)skyblade Wrote:  
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(06-04-2019 08:12 AM)skyblade Wrote:  Jaevin was a star at a Oakland. But his bread and butter is as a spot up 3 point shooter. Three point shooting is easier to carry over than Slashing because threes are generally more open shots. With Jarron drawing the defensive focus, Jaevin may actually have any easier time getting open looks at UC. Defensively he's athletic enough to do well at UC's level, though he won't be a great defender.

He isn't going to average 17 a game but I think Jaevin is a candidate to have a huge impact. People look at the rates but it's hard to shoot at a high rate when you're shooting a high volume. He shot 40% while firing 8 3's a game. I saw a scout quote from Jeff Goodman saying Jaeving was a great shooter with deep range. Assuming he's playing with McNeal and Jarron you've got a point guard who was a great distributor last year and one of the best passing off guards in the country. If Jaevin is as good as the scout said and as good as his numbers indicate I could see him shooting well over 40% and us being really scary with those three and Tre. Then you have options of going small Keith or Prince or bringing in Sorolla and going big. Really exciting options.

I'm still not convinced McNeal starts at PG. His stats are pretty bad in terms of three point shooting, FG% and assist/TO rate. I think our starting lineup will be Jarron, Jaevin, Keith, Scott, Diarra. If Diarra can hit threes at a good rate (which he should be able to), that lineup seems very difficult to stop. The defense will have to spread to cover the three and if they collapse there are a lot of good three point shooters to kick out to on the perimeter.

Diarra couldn't even hit 2's at a good rate. 27.6% on 2 point jumpers. It's an extreme stretch to say he can now hit 3's.

He's known as a good shooter in practice and a capable 3-point shooter. His main issue is not having experience playing organize basketball. He was uncomfortable last year and often hesitated to shoot, even good shooters look bad when they hesitate. He has a long way to go, but he has the offensive ability to be a excellent player. He is going to play a lot of minutes out of necessity, so I'm optimistic he will figure it out at some point this season.
 
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(06-04-2019 08:32 AM)skyblade Wrote:  
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(06-04-2019 08:12 AM)skyblade Wrote:  Jaevin was a star at a Oakland. But his bread and butter is as a spot up 3 point shooter. Three point shooting is easier to carry over than Slashing because threes are generally more open shots. With Jarron drawing the defensive focus, Jaevin may actually have any easier time getting open looks at UC. Defensively he's athletic enough to do well at UC's level, though he won't be a great defender.

He isn't going to average 17 a game but I think Jaevin is a candidate to have a huge impact. People look at the rates but it's hard to shoot at a high rate when you're shooting a high volume. He shot 40% while firing 8 3's a game. I saw a scout quote from Jeff Goodman saying Jaeving was a great shooter with deep range. Assuming he's playing with McNeal and Jarron you've got a point guard who was a great distributor last year and one of the best passing off guards in the country. If Jaevin is as good as the scout said and as good as his numbers indicate I could see him shooting well over 40% and us being really scary with those three and Tre. Then you have options of going small Keith or Prince or bringing in Sorolla and going big. Really exciting options.

I'm still not convinced McNeal starts at PG. His stats are pretty bad in terms of three point shooting, FG% and assist/TO rate. I think our starting lineup will be Jarron, Jaevin, Keith, Scott, Diarra. If Diarra can hit threes at a good rate (which he should be able to), that lineup seems very difficult to stop. The defense will have to spread to cover the three and if they collapse there are a lot of good three point shooters to kick out to on the perimeter.

Other than Jarron, Scott and probably Jaevin it is impossible to know who starts next year. In the case of McNeal I don't know if he will be a train wreck, mediocre or a star next year. I do know you have a tendency to selectively pick out the negatives in your evaluations. You are quoting his stats from 3 and 4 years ago. Since then he had a great junior college season. Will he be rusty from sitting out a year or did he develop in practice. I have no idea if he takes good shots if he shoots 20,30 or 40 percent on threes next year. Starter or not I hope with his maturity he provides some good minutes next year.
 
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I understand McNeal has a tough background to judge based off all the different stops and sitting out last year. But he's the only true PG on the roster. He'd have to be a pretty big flop not to get 20 min per game. I know Jarron played with the ball in his hands a lot last year and I'd expect the same this year but he's not a PG and asking him to be the primary ball handler 30+ minutes would take away from his scoring and as of now he's the only proven double digit scorer at this level.
 
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(06-04-2019 09:05 AM)cincybb51 Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 08:32 AM)skyblade Wrote:  
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(06-04-2019 08:12 AM)skyblade Wrote:  Jaevin was a star at a Oakland. But his bread and butter is as a spot up 3 point shooter. Three point shooting is easier to carry over than Slashing because threes are generally more open shots. With Jarron drawing the defensive focus, Jaevin may actually have any easier time getting open looks at UC. Defensively he's athletic enough to do well at UC's level, though he won't be a great defender.

He isn't going to average 17 a game but I think Jaevin is a candidate to have a huge impact. People look at the rates but it's hard to shoot at a high rate when you're shooting a high volume. He shot 40% while firing 8 3's a game. I saw a scout quote from Jeff Goodman saying Jaeving was a great shooter with deep range. Assuming he's playing with McNeal and Jarron you've got a point guard who was a great distributor last year and one of the best passing off guards in the country. If Jaevin is as good as the scout said and as good as his numbers indicate I could see him shooting well over 40% and us being really scary with those three and Tre. Then you have options of going small Keith or Prince or bringing in Sorolla and going big. Really exciting options.

I'm still not convinced McNeal starts at PG. His stats are pretty bad in terms of three point shooting, FG% and assist/TO rate. I think our starting lineup will be Jarron, Jaevin, Keith, Scott, Diarra. If Diarra can hit threes at a good rate (which he should be able to), that lineup seems very difficult to stop. The defense will have to spread to cover the three and if they collapse there are a lot of good three point shooters to kick out to on the perimeter.

Other than Jarron, Scott and probably Jaevin it is impossible to know who starts next year. In the case of McNeal I don't know if he will be a train wreck, mediocre or a star next year. I do know you have a tendency to selectively pick out the negatives in your evaluations. You are quoting his stats from 3 and 4 years ago. Since then he had a great junior college season. Will he be rusty from sitting out a year or did he develop in practice. I have no idea if he takes good shots if he shoots 20,30 or 40 percent on threes next year. Starter or not I hope with his maturity he provides some good minutes next year.

I think consensus is saying Keith also starts. and depending on the gameplan you can go big with Diarra or possibly Sorolla (wish Nysier was still here and we'd definitely be rolling out, Jaevin, Jarron, Keith, Tre, Nysier), or small with a PG in either McNeal or MAW.
 
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also: never underestimate the local factor. I'm personally convinced that Abba Lawal and Zubi Nwankwo are better players than Vogt and Sorolla, but that's because I've watched them last couple years. we remember those years that we had to be like "how the hell is WILMINGTON relevant suddenly?" behind the Cumberlands. to not be skeptical is to believe a random website over your lying eyes. I can see how that's off-putting.
 
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RE: Another Dancing Bearcat
(06-04-2019 08:51 AM)skyblade Wrote:  
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(06-04-2019 08:32 AM)skyblade Wrote:  
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(06-04-2019 08:12 AM)skyblade Wrote:  Jaevin was a star at a Oakland. But his bread and butter is as a spot up 3 point shooter. Three point shooting is easier to carry over than Slashing because threes are generally more open shots. With Jarron drawing the defensive focus, Jaevin may actually have any easier time getting open looks at UC. Defensively he's athletic enough to do well at UC's level, though he won't be a great defender.

He isn't going to average 17 a game but I think Jaevin is a candidate to have a huge impact. People look at the rates but it's hard to shoot at a high rate when you're shooting a high volume. He shot 40% while firing 8 3's a game. I saw a scout quote from Jeff Goodman saying Jaeving was a great shooter with deep range. Assuming he's playing with McNeal and Jarron you've got a point guard who was a great distributor last year and one of the best passing off guards in the country. If Jaevin is as good as the scout said and as good as his numbers indicate I could see him shooting well over 40% and us being really scary with those three and Tre. Then you have options of going small Keith or Prince or bringing in Sorolla and going big. Really exciting options.

I'm still not convinced McNeal starts at PG. His stats are pretty bad in terms of three point shooting, FG% and assist/TO rate. I think our starting lineup will be Jarron, Jaevin, Keith, Scott, Diarra. If Diarra can hit threes at a good rate (which he should be able to), that lineup seems very difficult to stop. The defense will have to spread to cover the three and if they collapse there are a lot of good three point shooters to kick out to on the perimeter.

Diarra couldn't even hit 2's at a good rate. 27.6% on 2 point jumpers. It's an extreme stretch to say he can now hit 3's.

He's known as a good shooter in practice and a capable 3-point shooter. His main issue is not having experience playing organize basketball. He was uncomfortable last year and often hesitated to shoot, even good shooters look bad when they hesitate. He has a long way to go, but he has the offensive ability to be a excellent player. He is going to play a lot of minutes out of necessity, so I'm optimistic he will figure it out at some point this season.

In the Hepblade world, no player ever improves or has any abilities outside of his past statistics. Everyone on the board has access to player's past history. You would have been an awful coach. Fwiw, Diarra hesitant to shoot? He probably shot the ball more when he was on the floor than either of the other 2 bigs. His issue is he couldn't defend anyone.
 
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RE: Another Dancing Bearcat
(06-04-2019 09:11 AM)dubcat14 Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 09:05 AM)cincybb51 Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 08:32 AM)skyblade Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 08:20 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 08:12 AM)skyblade Wrote:  Jaevin was a star at a Oakland. But his bread and butter is as a spot up 3 point shooter. Three point shooting is easier to carry over than Slashing because threes are generally more open shots. With Jarron drawing the defensive focus, Jaevin may actually have any easier time getting open looks at UC. Defensively he's athletic enough to do well at UC's level, though he won't be a great defender.

He isn't going to average 17 a game but I think Jaevin is a candidate to have a huge impact. People look at the rates but it's hard to shoot at a high rate when you're shooting a high volume. He shot 40% while firing 8 3's a game. I saw a scout quote from Jeff Goodman saying Jaeving was a great shooter with deep range. Assuming he's playing with McNeal and Jarron you've got a point guard who was a great distributor last year and one of the best passing off guards in the country. If Jaevin is as good as the scout said and as good as his numbers indicate I could see him shooting well over 40% and us being really scary with those three and Tre. Then you have options of going small Keith or Prince or bringing in Sorolla and going big. Really exciting options.

I'm still not convinced McNeal starts at PG. His stats are pretty bad in terms of three point shooting, FG% and assist/TO rate. I think our starting lineup will be Jarron, Jaevin, Keith, Scott, Diarra. If Diarra can hit threes at a good rate (which he should be able to), that lineup seems very difficult to stop. The defense will have to spread to cover the three and if they collapse there are a lot of good three point shooters to kick out to on the perimeter.

Other than Jarron, Scott and probably Jaevin it is impossible to know who starts next year. In the case of McNeal I don't know if he will be a train wreck, mediocre or a star next year. I do know you have a tendency to selectively pick out the negatives in your evaluations. You are quoting his stats from 3 and 4 years ago. Since then he had a great junior college season. Will he be rusty from sitting out a year or did he develop in practice. I have no idea if he takes good shots if he shoots 20,30 or 40 percent on threes next year. Starter or not I hope with his maturity he provides some good minutes next year.

I think consensus is saying Keith also starts. and depending on the gameplan you can go big with Diarra or possibly Sorolla (wish Nysier was still here and we'd definitely be rolling out, Jaevin, Jarron, Keith, Tre, Nysier), or small with a PG in either McNeal or MAW.

All to be determined; maybe your finishing five is not your starting five. Jarron will be the one who handles the ball in crunch time. Do we want him wearing down bringing the ball up early in the game so I tend to think McNeal or Maw starts with him? Tend to think Williams might be a better defensive player than Jaevin so do we start him and bring Jaevin in as first sub to boost offense. What are McNeal's leadership abilities; he is a good unselfish floor general or a me me player? All things that Brannen will need to determine as he gets to know the players and through practice and early season play.
 
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