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Does the LHN make financial sense for ESPN?
I'm going to say no. I think when the original LHN deal runs its course they should low ball Texas on the renewal deal and present the counter offer of going to the SEC, where ESPN already has a T3 deal in place, with TTU as a companion, and the LHN will be converted to SECN2.

I just don't think it makes financial sense for the Mouse to pay what they pay the Big 12 for T1 and T2 and then an absorbed amount for Texas T3 and their own dedicated channel that has very little live content. Outside of Texas and Oklahoma, there really isn't much premiere content to attract viewers.

What do the rest of you think will happen when the B12 GOR runs out and the LHN is up for renewal?
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(06-02-2019 01:33 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'm going to say no. I think when the original LHN deal runs its course they should low ball Texas on the renewal deal and present the counter offer of going to the SEC, where ESPN already has a T3 deal in place, with TTU as a companion, and the LHN will be converted to SECN2.

I just don't think it makes financial sense for the Mouse to pay what they pay the Big 12 for T1 and T2 and then an absorbed amount for Texas T3 and their own dedicated channel that has very little live content. Outside of Texas and Oklahoma, there real y isn't much premiere content to attract viewers.

What do the rest of you think will happen when the B12 GOR runs out and the LHN is up for renewal?

The LHN has been a big time failure for ESPN from the git-go, so why in the world would they want to renew it.
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(06-02-2019 02:10 PM)texoma Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 01:33 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'm going to say no. I think when the original LHN deal runs its course they should low ball Texas on the renewal deal and present the counter offer of going to the SEC, where ESPN already has a T3 deal in place, with TTU as a companion, and the LHN will be converted to SECN2.

I just don't think it makes financial sense for the Mouse to pay what they pay the Big 12 for T1 and T2 and then an absorbed amount for Texas T3 and their own dedicated channel that has very little live content. Outside of Texas and Oklahoma, there real y isn't much premiere content to attract viewers.

What do the rest of you think will happen when the B12 GOR runs out and the LHN is up for renewal?

The LHN has been a big time failure for ESPN from the git-go, so why in the world would they want to renew it.

Exactly! They already have the infrastructure and rights deal in place with the SEC. The conversion seems fairly natural. You're typically going to have 8 games a weekend to air if you have 16 teams. SECN1 and SECN2 can each air a pair, then there's a game for CBS (1st pick), and 3 for the SEC family of Networks (picks 2-4).

If Texas wants to continue to be compensated at the levels that they are ESPN should make them do it from the confines of a stronger conference.
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RE: Does the LHN make financial sense for ESPN?
The LHN is not intended to make money. It is intended to keep Texas where ESPN wants them and that has been a great success.
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(06-02-2019 02:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 02:10 PM)texoma Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 01:33 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I'm going to say no. I think when the original LHN deal runs its course they should low ball Texas on the renewal deal and present the counter offer of going to the SEC, where ESPN already has a T3 deal in place, with TTU as a companion, and the LHN will be converted to SECN2.

I just don't think it makes financial sense for the Mouse to pay what they pay the Big 12 for T1 and T2 and then an absorbed amount for Texas T3 and their own dedicated channel that has very little live content. Outside of Texas and Oklahoma, there real y isn't much premiere content to attract viewers.

What do the rest of you think will happen when the B12 GOR runs out and the LHN is up for renewal?

The LHN has been a big time failure for ESPN from the git-go, so why in the world would they want to renew it.

Exactly! They already have the infrastructure and rights deal in place with the SEC. The conversion seems fairly natural. You're typically going to have 8 games a weekend to air if you have 16 teams. SECN1 and SECN2 can each air a pair, then there's a game for CBS (1st pick), and 3 for the SEC family of Networks (picks 2-4).

If Texas wants to continue to be compensated at the levels that they are ESPN should make them do it from the confines of a stronger conference.

Probably, but Texas is never going to agree to leave the easy path to the playoff they have created with Oklahoma.

The LHN will fold. There just isn't enough content on the network to justify the money espn is doling out. If espn had half a brain, they would transform the network into a Texas college sports network and sign 2nd and 3rd tier rights to the various Texas FBS football and D1 basketball programs. A daily Sportcenter type broadcast would anchor the network in our football crazy state. That would earn them more money than the current LHN with practically no live content.
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RE: Does the LHN make financial sense for ESPN?
ESPN better off with 5 conf for 4 playoffs spot
LHN becomes a quesa B-12 network
40,000 would have bought tier 3 & CCG games
Somebody for LHN was asleep at the wheel
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Bottom line is none of us has all the data needed to draw a conclusion. Only ESPN does.
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(06-02-2019 03:21 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  The LHN will fold. There just isn't enough content on the network to justify the money espn is doling out. If espn had half a brain, they would transform the network into a Texas college sports network and sign 2nd and 3rd tier rights to the various Texas FBS football and D1 basketball programs. A daily Sportcenter type broadcast would anchor the network in our football crazy state. That would earn them more money than the current LHN with practically no live content.

They tried that in the early days of the Longhorn Network, with rights to games ESPN owned already, and the non-UT schools were adamantly against showing them on Bevo TV. The experiment was abandoned.
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RE: Does the LHN make financial sense for ESPN?
they wanted to show High school games, that's what caused the promblem
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RE: Does the LHN make financial sense for ESPN?
It made sense at the time for what it was

Remember: at the time, the PAC was a Fox property and if the original group the PAC wanted (Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Texas and the two political tagalongs) had passed then suddenly Fox is in control of almost all major college FB west of The Mississippi

ESPN saw the chance to stop this with what was essentially a bribe for UT to stay in the B12.

Yes it’s a money loser but it was also a loss leader to prevent a potentially disastrous scenario for them
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(06-02-2019 04:47 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 03:21 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  The LHN will fold. There just isn't enough content on the network to justify the money espn is doling out. If espn had half a brain, they would transform the network into a Texas college sports network and sign 2nd and 3rd tier rights to the various Texas FBS football and D1 basketball programs. A daily Sportcenter type broadcast would anchor the network in our football crazy state. That would earn them more money than the current LHN with practically no live content.

They tried that in the early days of the Longhorn Network, with rights to games ESPN owned already, and the non-UT schools were adamantly against showing them on Bevo TV. The experiment was abandoned.

Because it was called the Longhorn Network. If it was not a University of Texas property, but was an actual network for Texas based FBS content, it would not have failed. Plus, like another poster stated, they were adding high school games.
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(06-02-2019 05:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 04:47 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 03:21 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  The LHN will fold. There just isn't enough content on the network to justify the money espn is doling out. If espn had half a brain, they would transform the network into a Texas college sports network and sign 2nd and 3rd tier rights to the various Texas FBS football and D1 basketball programs. A daily Sportcenter type broadcast would anchor the network in our football crazy state. That would earn them more money than the current LHN with practically no live content.

They tried that in the early days of the Longhorn Network, with rights to games ESPN owned already, and the non-UT schools were adamantly against showing them on Bevo TV. The experiment was abandoned.

Because it was called the Longhorn Network. If it was not a University of Texas property, but was an actual network for Texas based FBS content, it would not have failed. Plus, like another poster stated, they were adding high school games.

It was an excuse to pay UT to stay out of the PAC.

It doesn’t matter if it ever turns a profit because that was never the point
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(06-02-2019 04:02 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  ESPN better off with 5 conf for 4 playoffs spot
LHN becomes a quesa B-12 network
40,000 would have bought tier 3 & CCG games
Somebody for LHN was asleep at the wheel

Nope. The other Big 12 members have fought tooth and nail to keep their games from airing on the LHN. Playing on their network was and still is seen negatively by any respectable program.
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(06-02-2019 05:13 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  ESPN saw the chance to stop this with what was essentially a bribe for UT to stay in the B12.

Yes it’s a money loser but it was also a loss leader to prevent a potentially disastrous scenario for them

This. The LHN has served, or is serving, its purpose.
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(06-02-2019 05:27 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 05:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 04:47 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 03:21 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  The LHN will fold. There just isn't enough content on the network to justify the money espn is doling out. If espn had half a brain, they would transform the network into a Texas college sports network and sign 2nd and 3rd tier rights to the various Texas FBS football and D1 basketball programs. A daily Sportcenter type broadcast would anchor the network in our football crazy state. That would earn them more money than the current LHN with practically no live content.

They tried that in the early days of the Longhorn Network, with rights to games ESPN owned already, and the non-UT schools were adamantly against showing them on Bevo TV. The experiment was abandoned.

Because it was called the Longhorn Network. If it was not a University of Texas property, but was an actual network for Texas based FBS content, it would not have failed. Plus, like another poster stated, they were adding high school games.

It was an excuse to pay UT to stay out of the PAC.

It doesn’t matter if it ever turns a profit because that was never the point

Texas will never go to the PAC. That move would have a hard time being approved by the conservative state legislature. Plus, it would be a death sentence to the program. Many of the fans that follow Texas would throw a fit and stop supporting the program if they fled to a California based PAC-12.

Texas and Oklahoma have the easiest path to the playoffs and they know it. They will not leave the Big 12 as long as that is the case.
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(06-02-2019 05:32 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 05:27 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 05:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 04:47 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 03:21 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  The LHN will fold. There just isn't enough content on the network to justify the money espn is doling out. If espn had half a brain, they would transform the network into a Texas college sports network and sign 2nd and 3rd tier rights to the various Texas FBS football and D1 basketball programs. A daily Sportcenter type broadcast would anchor the network in our football crazy state. That would earn them more money than the current LHN with practically no live content.

They tried that in the early days of the Longhorn Network, with rights to games ESPN owned already, and the non-UT schools were adamantly against showing them on Bevo TV. The experiment was abandoned.

Because it was called the Longhorn Network. If it was not a University of Texas property, but was an actual network for Texas based FBS content, it would not have failed. Plus, like another poster stated, they were adding high school games.

It was an excuse to pay UT to stay out of the PAC.

It doesn’t matter if it ever turns a profit because that was never the point

Texas will never go to the PAC. That move would have a hard time being approved by the conservative state legislature. Plus, it would be a death sentence to the program. Many of the fans that follow Texas would throw a fit and stop supporting the program if they fled to a California based PAC-12.

Texas and Oklahoma have the easiest path to the playoffs and they know it. They will not leave the Big 12 as long as that is the case.

Thats all hyperbole. Texas wasn't going alone. A move with Tech, OU and OSU would have been approved. They wouldn't have even been in a division with any CA schools and could have garnered a TV contract similar to the SEC and B1G. The legislature doesn't get a vote last I checked when A&M ran off to the SEC.
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(06-02-2019 05:13 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  It made sense at the time for what it was

Remember: at the time, the PAC was a Fox property and if the original group the PAC wanted (Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Texas and the two political tagalongs) had passed then suddenly Fox is in control of almost all major college FB west of The Mississippi

ESPN saw the chance to stop this with what was essentially a bribe for UT to stay in the B12.

Yes it’s a money loser but it was also a loss leader to prevent a potentially disastrous scenario for them

2 political tagalongs?? TCU needs the Big 12 to survive or they will be left behind. I'm pretty certain the PAC, SEC and Big 10 won't invite them if the Big 12 dissolves.


The truth is Larry Scott flew to Lubbock with an invitation to join the PAC. If Tech was a political tagalong, Larry Scott would have hand delivered our invitation to the UT brass in Austin.
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregon...ac-10.html

The state of Texas has 3 schools (UT, Tech and A&M) who belong in a power conference.
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(06-02-2019 05:53 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 05:32 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 05:27 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 05:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 04:47 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  They tried that in the early days of the Longhorn Network, with rights to games ESPN owned already, and the non-UT schools were adamantly against showing them on Bevo TV. The experiment was abandoned.

Because it was called the Longhorn Network. If it was not a University of Texas property, but was an actual network for Texas based FBS content, it would not have failed. Plus, like another poster stated, they were adding high school games.

It was an excuse to pay UT to stay out of the PAC.

It doesn’t matter if it ever turns a profit because that was never the point

Texas will never go to the PAC. That move would have a hard time being approved by the conservative state legislature. Plus, it would be a death sentence to the program. Many of the fans that follow Texas would throw a fit and stop supporting the program if they fled to a California based PAC-12.

Texas and Oklahoma have the easiest path to the playoffs and they know it. They will not leave the Big 12 as long as that is the case.

Thats all hyperbole. Texas wasn't going alone. A move with Tech, OU and OSU would have been approved. They wouldn't have even been in a division with any CA schools and could have garnered a TV contract similar to the SEC and B1G. The legislature doesn't get a vote last I checked when A&M ran off to the SEC.

Well said. Kinda sad that an outsider gets it while some in our state live in lala land.
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The LHN was designed to air Texas High School football with the side note of keeping UT as a star program. Neither worked out.
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(06-02-2019 06:31 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  
(06-02-2019 05:13 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  It made sense at the time for what it was

Remember: at the time, the PAC was a Fox property and if the original group the PAC wanted (Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Texas and the two political tagalongs) had passed then suddenly Fox is in control of almost all major college FB west of The Mississippi

ESPN saw the chance to stop this with what was essentially a bribe for UT to stay in the B12.

Yes it’s a money loser but it was also a loss leader to prevent a potentially disastrous scenario for them

2 political tagalongs?? TCU needs the Big 12 to survive or they will be left behind. I'm pretty certain the PAC, SEC and Big 10 won't invite them if the Big 12 dissolves.


The truth is Larry Scott flew to Lubbock with an invitation to join the PAC. If Tech was a political tagalong, Larry Scott would have hand delivered our invitation to the UT brass in Austin.
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregon...ac-10.html

The state of Texas has 3 schools (UT, Tech and A&M) who belong in a power conference.

Just for the amusement of the board, please list for us all the power conferences that would take mighty Texas Tech alone, by itself and not as a required package deal of other schools to get the school(s) they really want
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