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Big East 40th Anniversary
Saw this on Twitter, thought it was pretty cool.



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Crazy that it started with 7 schools
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amazing to think that today it probably would never happen with no assurance of an auto bid for I think it's 8 years now. 85 tourney still the gold standard for NCAA performances with 3 final 4 teams. And 11 still the best ever with 11 teams making the tourney.....
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(05-29-2019 11:06 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Saw this on Twitter, thought it was pretty cool.



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Nice Find. Thanks for posting.
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(05-29-2019 05:25 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 11:06 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Saw this on Twitter, thought it was pretty cool.



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Nice Find. Thanks for posting.

Cool, I hope they will use the retro logo some this year. As an aside, does anyone know what the circumstances were that resulted in UConn being the only public university to join at the outset? Pitt still riding the Marino FB glory? Just sort of a funny fact to have in mind whenever people say that UConn, as a public school, would be totally incongruous in today's Catholic 7 plus three "Big Priest" (which still has 4 of the 6 other schools who founded the OG league with UConn).
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I remember the first couple of years of the Big East, as they were primary programming on a new cable channel called ESPN. I wondered what the big deal was about these teams. The Big East and ESPN came along at the same time.

I remember UConn playing in a dark, tiny gym being coached by Dom Perno. I also remember Bill Raftery as coach of Seton Hall.

It didn't take long for the Big East to be successful.
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(05-29-2019 09:06 PM)johnintx Wrote:  I remember the first couple of years of the Big East, as they were primary programming on a new cable channel called ESPN. I wondered what the big deal was about these teams. The Big East and ESPN came along at the same time.

I remember UConn playing in a dark, tiny gym being coached by Dom Perno. I also remember Bill Raftery as coach of Seton Hall.

It didn't take long for the Big East to be successful.

Providence was strong back them but still a regional school. Syracuse was a rising eastern power but played in a 9000 seat gym and hadn't developed a national brand in hoops yet. St John's was a pretty big deal in the northeast and had some success in the 1970's. Funny thing Holy Cross was invited but turned it down. The Big East with ESPN turned the league into must see TV. It was so much fun following the league in the 1980s.
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(05-29-2019 11:26 AM)TheBasketBallOpinion Wrote:  Crazy that it started with 7 schools
And the two that turned it down:

Rutgers said they were better as an independent. Seton Hall got the bid.

Holy Cross' president famously told the Big East "they were not in the entertainment business." Boston College gladly accepted. Seven years later, Holy Cross dropped out of Div. I-A.
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(06-04-2019 09:43 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  And the two that turned it down:

Rutgers said they were better as an independent. Seton Hall got the bid.

Holy Cross' president famously told the Big East "they were not in the entertainment business." Boston College gladly accepted. Seven years later, Holy Cross dropped out of Div. I-A.

Rutgers turned down an Ivy League bid way back in the day too. Luckily they didn't make the same mistake with the Big Ten. Not sure why everybody always wants that program!
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(06-04-2019 09:47 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  Rutgers turned down an Ivy League bid way back in the day too. Luckily they didn't make the same mistake with the Big Ten. Not sure why everybody always wants that program!

Urban legend. The Ivy League has never offered expansion bids, though it briefly discussed Northwestern when that school's football team was cratering in the 1970's.
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The Big East was THE conference for college basketball for a long time. There is still nothing in college basketball like Championship Saturday Night in the Garden.
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(06-05-2019 06:12 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Urban legend. The Ivy League has never offered expansion bids, though it briefly discussed Northwestern when that school's football team was cratering in the 1970's.

Interesting, I’ve definitely read it as fact. Apparently they came close to asking, but nobody ever actually offered: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1953/...y-for-ivy/
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(06-04-2019 09:43 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 11:26 AM)TheBasketBallOpinion Wrote:  Crazy that it started with 7 schools
And the two that turned it down:

Rutgers said they were better as an independent. Seton Hall got the bid.

Holy Cross' president famously told the Big East "they were not in the entertainment business." Boston College gladly accepted. Seven years later, Holy Cross dropped out of Div. I-A.

Rutgers wasn't independent but was a member of the Eastern 8. Around the time the Big East was formed, Paterno was trying to put together the eastern conference for all sports. The Rutgers AD was closely allied with Paterno and was holding out for that conference. When it didn't happen, football remained independent and the other sports stayed in the Eastern 8/Atlantic 10 until 1995.
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(06-05-2019 11:08 AM)megadrone Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 09:43 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(05-29-2019 11:26 AM)TheBasketBallOpinion Wrote:  Crazy that it started with 7 schools
And the two that turned it down:

Rutgers said they were better as an independent. Seton Hall got the bid.

Holy Cross' president famously told the Big East "they were not in the entertainment business." Boston College gladly accepted. Seven years later, Holy Cross dropped out of Div. I-A.

Rutgers wasn't independent but was a member of the Eastern 8. Around the time the Big East was formed, Paterno was trying to put together the eastern conference for all sports. The Rutgers AD was closely allied with Paterno and was holding out for that conference. When it didn't happen, football remained independent and the other sports stayed in the Eastern 8/Atlantic 10 until 1995.

And being in Joe Pa's good graces finally paid off for us. Only took 35 years 07-coffee3
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(06-05-2019 11:08 AM)megadrone Wrote:  Rutgers wasn't independent but was a member of the Eastern 8. Around the time the Big East was formed, Paterno was trying to put together the eastern conference for all sports. The Rutgers AD was closely allied with Paterno and was holding out for that conference. When it didn't happen, football remained independent and the other sports stayed in the Eastern 8/Atlantic 10 until 1995.

Thanks for the catch.

The realignment exerts can only wonder what would have happened had the E-8 had embraced football circa 1978. The lineup included UMass, Pitt, Rutgers, Villanova, West Virginia and Penn State, along with Duquesne (then playing D-III) and GW (dropped football in 1966). Did I miss someone?
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Funny how the C7 gave up the history only to reclaim it years later.
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(06-04-2019 09:47 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  
(06-04-2019 09:43 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  And the two that turned it down:

Rutgers said they were better as an independent. Seton Hall got the bid.

Holy Cross' president famously told the Big East "they were not in the entertainment business." Boston College gladly accepted. Seven years later, Holy Cross dropped out of Div. I-A.

Rutgers turned down an Ivy League bid way back in the day too. Luckily they didn't make the same mistake with the Big Ten. Not sure why everybody always wants that program!


Rutgers did not turn down an Ivy League bid. Rutgers, an original Colonial College and long time rival of many Ivy League schools in football, wrestling, basketball, baseball and rowing was considered for membership. However, by the time the Ivy League was formally established in 1954, Rutgers had already been designated The State University of New Jersey (1945) and had expanded by way of mergers to include Newark (1946) and Camden (1950) campuses. RU was evolving into a big state school and that meant it was no longer considered a cultural fit with the still elite private universities that make up the Ivy.
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(06-05-2019 09:41 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(06-05-2019 11:08 AM)megadrone Wrote:  Rutgers wasn't independent but was a member of the Eastern 8. Around the time the Big East was formed, Paterno was trying to put together the eastern conference for all sports. The Rutgers AD was closely allied with Paterno and was holding out for that conference. When it didn't happen, football remained independent and the other sports stayed in the Eastern 8/Atlantic 10 until 1995.

Thanks for the catch.

The realignment exerts can only wonder what would have happened had the E-8 had embraced football circa 1978. The lineup included UMass, Pitt, Rutgers, Villanova, West Virginia and Penn State, along with Duquesne (then playing D-III) and GW (dropped football in 1966). Did I miss someone?

That's everybody. Temple didn't join the Eastern 8 until after Pitt and Villanova left.
It's funny though how they didn't consider football -- either in the Eastern 8 or the Big East. it makes you wonder what could have been. But Penn State and Pitt were head and shoulders above everyone else at that point in time and it wouldn't have been stable enough with Syracuse and BC in the Big East.
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(06-05-2019 10:53 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Funny how the C7 gave up the history only to reclaim it years later.

Funny how so many on here are still very wrong when it comes to the divorce settlement. The C7 retained the basketball records as part of the split, while both the BE and the AAC claim 1979 as a founding date.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...t/2003477/

"As part of our separation agreement, we negotiated that the basketball records will remain the property of the basketball schools," Providence president Fr. Brian Shanley said on a teleconference Wednesday. "The Big East will just keep going on, being the inheritor if you will, of the traditions and the records of the conference."
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(06-06-2019 08:44 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Funny how so many on here are still very wrong when it comes to the divorce settlement. The C7 retained the basketball records as part of the split, while both the BE and the AAC claim 1979 as a founding date.

The AAC no longer claims 1979. But that's not unusual. The Big 12, despite eating up the larger half of the Southwest Conference, no longer recognizes its Big 7/8 championships dating to 1907.

On the other side of the coin, the Pac-12 recognizes all the records from the predecessor PCC and AAWU conferences.
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