Something smells a little fishy here, or at least it could.

Files are sealed in the archives until 2027 but the author "unearthed FBI summaries" of the incidents. The same FBI led by J. Edgar Hoover that was known to purposefully smear its "enemies" in myriad ways (sounds eerily familiar to its very recent incarnation, no?). The same FBI that supposedly sat in an adjacent room as a rape happened.

Is it a crime for them to have sat idly by as well as this purported rape went down? Real question as I have no idea as to what they are obligated to do if they know a crime is taking place.

I agree with the comments about respecting his achievements at large while also recognizing he was also a broken man like all the rest.

Removing statues is stupid, imo, however I'm all for a local electorate enforcing their power however they see fit. Muh democracy.

I love what Greenville, NC did...

The NAACP in Greenville was b*tching and moaning about 5th Street. (5th Street is the main road that runs right past campus... ECU's address is a 5th Street address.) They complained that it was called 5th Street, because MLK Jr Blvd abruptly ended about a half mile short of downtown, and became 5th Street. They claimed that "MLK wasn't half a man... why does he only get half a street?"

So... Greenville renamed the entire street 5th Street and gave the good doctor the stretch of Hwy 264 that runs around the city.

(05-28-2019 09:00 AM)king king Wrote:  Something smells a little fishy here, or at least it could.

Files are sealed in the archives until 2027 but the author "unearthed FBI summaries" of the incidents. The same FBI led by J. Edgar Hoover that was known to purposefully smear its "enemies" in myriad ways (sounds eerily familiar to its very recent incarnation, no?). The same FBI that supposedly sat in an adjacent room as a rape happened.

Is it a crime for them to have sat idly by as well as this purported rape went down? Real question as I have no idea as to what they are obligated to do if they know a crime is taking place.

I agree with the comments about respecting his achievements at large while also recognizing he was also a broken man like all the rest.

Removing statues is stupid, imo, however I'm all for a local electorate enforcing their power however they see fit. Muh democracy.

Building statues is what is stupid. When we make idols of imperfect humans someone is always going to want to tear them down. Statues of ideals (Justice, Liberty, etc.) never grow wearisome. We should always strive for the ideal even while knowing we will fall short of it. It is how societies of people better themselves. The greatest civilizations always honored ideals. The most egregious and horrific societies always honor the image of dead leaders.

(05-28-2019 11:18 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-28-2019 09:00 AM)king king Wrote:  Something smells a little fishy here, or at least it could.

Files are sealed in the archives until 2027 but the author "unearthed FBI summaries" of the incidents. The same FBI led by J. Edgar Hoover that was known to purposefully smear its "enemies" in myriad ways (sounds eerily familiar to its very recent incarnation, no?). The same FBI that supposedly sat in an adjacent room as a rape happened.

Is it a crime for them to have sat idly by as well as this purported rape went down? Real question as I have no idea as to what they are obligated to do if they know a crime is taking place.

I agree with the comments about respecting his achievements at large while also recognizing he was also a broken man like all the rest.

Removing statues is stupid, imo, however I'm all for a local electorate enforcing their power however they see fit. Muh democracy.

Building statues is what is stupid. When we make idols of imperfect humans someone is always going to want to tear them down. Statues of ideals (Justice, Liberty, etc.) never grow wearisome. We should always strive for the ideal even while knowing we will fall short of it. It is how societies of people better themselves. The greatest civilizations always honored ideals. The most egregious and horrific societies always honor the image of dead leaders.

Name a great society that doesn't have statues of people that did great things within that great society, please.

Should there be no statues of Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington, Roosevelt??

Should we tear down Mount Rushmore?

Is the Statue of Liberty > Mount Rushmore?

(05-28-2019 12:59 PM)king king Wrote:  

(05-28-2019 11:18 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-28-2019 09:00 AM)king king Wrote:  Something smells a little fishy here, or at least it could.

Files are sealed in the archives until 2027 but the author "unearthed FBI summaries" of the incidents. The same FBI led by J. Edgar Hoover that was known to purposefully smear its "enemies" in myriad ways (sounds eerily familiar to its very recent incarnation, no?). The same FBI that supposedly sat in an adjacent room as a rape happened.

Is it a crime for them to have sat idly by as well as this purported rape went down? Real question as I have no idea as to what they are obligated to do if they know a crime is taking place.

I agree with the comments about respecting his achievements at large while also recognizing he was also a broken man like all the rest.

Removing statues is stupid, imo, however I'm all for a local electorate enforcing their power however they see fit. Muh democracy.

Building statues is what is stupid. When we make idols of imperfect humans someone is always going to want to tear them down. Statues of ideals (Justice, Liberty, etc.) never grow wearisome. We should always strive for the ideal even while knowing we will fall short of it. It is how societies of people better themselves. The greatest civilizations always honored ideals. The most egregious and horrific societies always honor the image of dead leaders.

Name a great society that doesn't have statues of people that did great things within that great society, please.

Should there be no statues of Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington, Roosevelt??

Should we tear down Mount Rushmore?

Is the Statue of Liberty > Mount Rushmore?

The United States had a mix, but most of the monuments you cite are late 19th and 20th century constructions. If you want to identify when our culture shifted all you need do is to look at the coinage. Liberty was the main item of interest on coins until 1909 when the Lincoln Cent replaced what we called the Indian Penny, but which was really the Face of Miss Liberty in a native headdress to depict expansion westward. It was first coined in 1859. In 1916 the Standing Liberty Quarter was quite interesting when it replaced the design of Barber which was just a profile of liberty's face. In 1916 the U.S. faced a crisis. Do we enter WWI or not? The 1916 Standing liberty quarter also brought out howls from the religious right. It depicted Liberty standing in a gateway carrying a shield in one arm showing our willingness to defend ourselves, and an olive branch in her other hand expressing a desire for peace, and she had an exposed breast to show America's desire to feed a hungry world. The gateway represented the decision about whether to enter the war which we would do in 1917. The Baptists raised such hell over the exposed breast that in 1917 the designer covered it up with a chainmail vest. In that same year the Walking Liberty Half also debuted (both thanks to Teddy Roosevelt who wanted our goals and ideals on our coinage to remind all Americans that we were part of things larger than 1 person. On that coin Liberty was wrapped in a flag to signify the sacrifices of those who had gone before and to symbolize our sense of justice and was also carrying an Olive Branch for peace as she walked toward the dawn of a new day. On the reverse was a mother eagle protecting here nest. The dime also received a face lift and what we call a Mercury Dime was really the face of liberty wearing Mercury's headdress to symbolize freedom of thought and thought toward progress. On the reverse was the fasces to symbolize that out of many we were one and were stronger for it if we were bound together. Italy's use of this symbol in WWII would lead to the adoption of the Roosevelt Dime in 1946. Washington was placed on the Quarter in 1932 when the depression made us forget the ideals represented on the Standing Liberty Quarter, and in 1948 Franklin would replace the most popular idealistic design on a U.S. Coin ever when the Walking Liberty half was replaced. Jefferson replaced the Buffalo Nickel which was T.R.'s attempt to push state parks and preservation since the Buffalo was endangered and the Native Americans had been stripped of their heritage and the thought was depict them as part of our proud heritage to be preserved.

Now my friend all we have a dead heads and old buildings, and stone monuments, none of which really express life, our ideals (which our children need to learn and pass on) or our hope for the future. Ideas and progress tend to cease in every civilization when they quit dreaming of the future, investing in thought, and start venerating the past and the dead.

Just an observation from an old man but we lived much more harmoniously and accomplished some of our greatest feats during the time in which our ideals were forefront and individuals were only remembered in text books.

(05-28-2019 02:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-28-2019 12:59 PM)king king Wrote:  

(05-28-2019 11:18 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-28-2019 09:00 AM)king king Wrote:  Something smells a little fishy here, or at least it could.

Files are sealed in the archives until 2027 but the author "unearthed FBI summaries" of the incidents. The same FBI led by J. Edgar Hoover that was known to purposefully smear its "enemies" in myriad ways (sounds eerily familiar to its very recent incarnation, no?). The same FBI that supposedly sat in an adjacent room as a rape happened.

Is it a crime for them to have sat idly by as well as this purported rape went down? Real question as I have no idea as to what they are obligated to do if they know a crime is taking place.

I agree with the comments about respecting his achievements at large while also recognizing he was also a broken man like all the rest.

Removing statues is stupid, imo, however I'm all for a local electorate enforcing their power however they see fit. Muh democracy.

Building statues is what is stupid. When we make idols of imperfect humans someone is always going to want to tear them down. Statues of ideals (Justice, Liberty, etc.) never grow wearisome. We should always strive for the ideal even while knowing we will fall short of it. It is how societies of people better themselves. The greatest civilizations always honored ideals. The most egregious and horrific societies always honor the image of dead leaders.

Name a great society that doesn't have statues of people that did great things within that great society, please.

Should there be no statues of Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington, Roosevelt??

Should we tear down Mount Rushmore?

Is the Statue of Liberty > Mount Rushmore?

The United States had a mix, but most of the monuments you cite are late 19th and 20th century constructions. If you want to identify when our culture shifted all you need do is to look at the coinage. Liberty was the main item of interest on coins until 1909 when the Lincoln Cent replaced what we called the Indian Penny, but which was really the Face of Miss Liberty in a native headdress to depict expansion westward. It was first coined in 1859. In 1916 the Standing Liberty Quarter was quite interesting when it replaced the design of Barber which was just a profile of liberty's face. In 1916 the U.S. faced a crisis. Do we enter WWI or not? The 1916 Standing liberty quarter also brought out howls from the religious right. It depicted Liberty standing in a gateway carrying a shield in one arm showing our willingness to defend ourselves, and an olive branch in her other hand expressing a desire for peace, and she had an exposed breast to show America's desire to feed a hungry world. The gateway represented the decision about whether to enter the war which we would do in 1917. The Baptists raised such hell over the exposed breast that in 1917 the designer covered it up with a chainmail vest. In that same year the Walking Liberty Half also debuted (both thanks to Teddy Roosevelt who wanted our goals and ideals on our coinage to remind all Americans that we were part of things larger than 1 person. On that coin Liberty was wrapped in a flag to signify the sacrifices of those who had gone before and to symbolize our sense of justice and was also carrying an Olive Branch for peace as she walked toward the dawn of a new day. On the reverse was a mother eagle protecting here nest. The dime also received a face lift and what we call a Mercury Dime was really the face of liberty wearing Mercury's headdress to symbolize freedom of thought and thought toward progress. On the reverse was the fasces to symbolize that out of many we were one and were stronger for it if we were bound together. Italy's use of this symbol in WWII would lead to the adoption of the Roosevelt Dime in 1946. Washington was placed on the Quarter in 1932 when the depression made us forget the ideals represented on the Standing Liberty Quarter, and in 1948 Franklin would replace the most popular idealistic design on a U.S. Coin ever when the Walking Liberty half was replaced. Jefferson replaced the Buffalo Nickel which was T.R.'s attempt to push state parks and preservation since the Buffalo was endangered and the Native Americans had been stripped of their heritage and the thought was depict them as part of our proud heritage to be preserved.

Now my friend all we have a dead heads and old buildings, and stone monuments, none of which really express life, our ideals (which our children need to learn and pass on) or our hope for the future. Ideas and progress tend to cease in every civilization when they quit dreaming of the future, investing in thought, and start venerating the past and the dead.

Just an observation from an old man but we lived much more harmoniously and accomplished some of our greatest feats during the time in which our ideals were forefront and individuals were only remembered in text books.

I'd never really given this much thought before but after looking into some of the more famous monuments around the country, it appears after the turn of the 20th century is when people started being memorialized in statues and on coinage vs ideals being what is memorialized.

Thanks for the thought provoking reply. This notion of ideals being memorialized vs people is very interesting and I appreciate you sharing your perspective.

I learned some fascinating things to. Thanks JRsec. You’re a good read on this little spot. I only wish those that don’t read or post more than a couple of broken sentences would take the time.

(05-26-2019 04:28 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 04:01 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I first learned Dr King was a serial adulterer when I saw the movie Selma.

This subject has occasionally surfaced in the media since at least the 1970s, and probably earlier than that.

In 1989, one of King’s closest friends and confidants, Rev. Ralph David Abernathy, published his memoirs titled “And the Walls Came Tumbling Down”. The book included a passage about Martin L. King’s final hours in Memphis TN, just before being murdered. Those who are interested can look it up for themselves but I’ll just say here that Abernathy’s book generated a huge controversy that was still raging when he died a few months later (natural causes) at age 64.

So revelations like this are honestly not “new”.

Quote:If the rest of this is true, 'they' will try to keep it buried forever.

That is probably true. But I’ll point out that for about 20-25 years after their deaths, John F. Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy were spoken of in the same tones of hushed-reverence and deification that Martin King is spoken about, today. Over time, these things do change when the evidence keeps piling up.

The difference between the Kennedys and MLK is that MLK left a lasting legacy of peace and promise for the future.

The Kennedys left us the Bay of Pigs and war in Vietnam. They also instigated the Cuban Missile Crisis for domestic political reasons, putting the US closer to nuclear war than at any point in history. To put it bluntly, JFK was the most radical warmonger President in American history.

And the ridiculous,“Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country." Here's what Milton Friedman had to say about that:
"Neither half of the statement expresses a relation between the citizen and his government that is worthy of the ideals of free men in a free society. The paternalistic “what your country can do for you” implies that government is the patron, the citizen the ward, a view that is at odds with the free man’s belief in his own responsibility for his own destiny. The organismic, “what you can do for your ‘country” implies the government is the master or the deity, the citizen, the servant or the votary. To the free man, the country is the collection of individuals who compose it, not something over and above them. He is proud of a common heritage and loyal to common traditions. But he regards government as a means, an instrumentality, neither a grantor of favors and gifts, nor a master or god to be blindly worshipped and served."

(05-29-2019 11:47 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 04:28 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 04:01 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I first learned Dr King was a serial adulterer when I saw the movie Selma.

This subject has occasionally surfaced in the media since at least the 1970s, and probably earlier than that.

In 1989, one of King’s closest friends and confidants, Rev. Ralph David Abernathy, published his memoirs titled “And the Walls Came Tumbling Down”. The book included a passage about Martin L. King’s final hours in Memphis TN, just before being murdered. Those who are interested can look it up for themselves but I’ll just say here that Abernathy’s book generated a huge controversy that was still raging when he died a few months later (natural causes) at age 64.

So revelations like this are honestly not “new”.

Quote:If the rest of this is true, 'they' will try to keep it buried forever.

That is probably true. But I’ll point out that for about 20-25 years after their deaths, John F. Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy were spoken of in the same tones of hushed-reverence and deification that Martin King is spoken about, today. Over time, these things do change when the evidence keeps piling up.

The difference between the Kennedys and MLK is that MLK left a lasting legacy of peace and promise for the future.

The Kennedys left us the Bay of Pigs and war in Vietnam. They also instigated the Cuban Missile Crisis for domestic political reasons, putting the US closer to nuclear war than at any point in history. To put it bluntly, JFK was the most radical warmonger President in American history.

And the ridiculous,“Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country." Here's what Milton Friedman had to say about that:
"Neither half of the statement expresses a relation between the citizen and his government that is worthy of the ideals of free men in a free society. The paternalistic “what your country can do for you” implies that government is the patron, the citizen the ward, a view that is at odds with the free man’s belief in his own responsibility for his own destiny. The organismic, “what you can do for your ‘country” implies the government is the master or the deity, the citizen, the servant or the votary. To the free man, the country is the collection of individuals who compose it, not something over and above them. He is proud of a common heritage and loyal to common traditions. But he regards government as a means, an instrumentality, neither a grantor of favors and gifts, nor a master or god to be blindly worshipped and served."

I am sure the rape victim felt peace and optimistic.


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(05-28-2019 02:24 PM)king king Wrote:  

(05-28-2019 02:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-28-2019 12:59 PM)king king Wrote:  

(05-28-2019 11:18 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-28-2019 09:00 AM)king king Wrote:  Something smells a little fishy here, or at least it could.

Files are sealed in the archives until 2027 but the author "unearthed FBI summaries" of the incidents. The same FBI led by J. Edgar Hoover that was known to purposefully smear its "enemies" in myriad ways (sounds eerily familiar to its very recent incarnation, no?). The same FBI that supposedly sat in an adjacent room as a rape happened.

Is it a crime for them to have sat idly by as well as this purported rape went down? Real question as I have no idea as to what they are obligated to do if they know a crime is taking place.

I agree with the comments about respecting his achievements at large while also recognizing he was also a broken man like all the rest.

Removing statues is stupid, imo, however I'm all for a local electorate enforcing their power however they see fit. Muh democracy.

Building statues is what is stupid. When we make idols of imperfect humans someone is always going to want to tear them down. Statues of ideals (Justice, Liberty, etc.) never grow wearisome. We should always strive for the ideal even while knowing we will fall short of it. It is how societies of people better themselves. The greatest civilizations always honored ideals. The most egregious and horrific societies always honor the image of dead leaders.

Name a great society that doesn't have statues of people that did great things within that great society, please.

Should there be no statues of Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington, Roosevelt??

Should we tear down Mount Rushmore?

Is the Statue of Liberty > Mount Rushmore?

The United States had a mix, but most of the monuments you cite are late 19th and 20th century constructions. If you want to identify when our culture shifted all you need do is to look at the coinage. Liberty was the main item of interest on coins until 1909 when the Lincoln Cent replaced what we called the Indian Penny, but which was really the Face of Miss Liberty in a native headdress to depict expansion westward. It was first coined in 1859. In 1916 the Standing Liberty Quarter was quite interesting when it replaced the design of Barber which was just a profile of liberty's face. In 1916 the U.S. faced a crisis. Do we enter WWI or not? The 1916 Standing liberty quarter also brought out howls from the religious right. It depicted Liberty standing in a gateway carrying a shield in one arm showing our willingness to defend ourselves, and an olive branch in her other hand expressing a desire for peace, and she had an exposed breast to show America's desire to feed a hungry world. The gateway represented the decision about whether to enter the war which we would do in 1917. The Baptists raised such hell over the exposed breast that in 1917 the designer covered it up with a chainmail vest. In that same year the Walking Liberty Half also debuted (both thanks to Teddy Roosevelt who wanted our goals and ideals on our coinage to remind all Americans that we were part of things larger than 1 person. On that coin Liberty was wrapped in a flag to signify the sacrifices of those who had gone before and to symbolize our sense of justice and was also carrying an Olive Branch for peace as she walked toward the dawn of a new day. On the reverse was a mother eagle protecting here nest. The dime also received a face lift and what we call a Mercury Dime was really the face of liberty wearing Mercury's headdress to symbolize freedom of thought and thought toward progress. On the reverse was the fasces to symbolize that out of many we were one and were stronger for it if we were bound together. Italy's use of this symbol in WWII would lead to the adoption of the Roosevelt Dime in 1946. Washington was placed on the Quarter in 1932 when the depression made us forget the ideals represented on the Standing Liberty Quarter, and in 1948 Franklin would replace the most popular idealistic design on a U.S. Coin ever when the Walking Liberty half was replaced. Jefferson replaced the Buffalo Nickel which was T.R.'s attempt to push state parks and preservation since the Buffalo was endangered and the Native Americans had been stripped of their heritage and the thought was depict them as part of our proud heritage to be preserved.

Now my friend all we have a dead heads and old buildings, and stone monuments, none of which really express life, our ideals (which our children need to learn and pass on) or our hope for the future. Ideas and progress tend to cease in every civilization when they quit dreaming of the future, investing in thought, and start venerating the past and the dead.

Just an observation from an old man but we lived much more harmoniously and accomplished some of our greatest feats during the time in which our ideals were forefront and individuals were only remembered in text books.

I'd never really given this much thought before but after looking into some of the more famous monuments around the country, it appears after the turn of the 20th century is when people started being memorialized in statues and on coinage vs ideals being what is memorialized.

Thanks for the thought provoking reply. This notion of ideals being memorialized vs people is very interesting and I appreciate you sharing your perspective.

Aside from Stinky, JR has become my favorite poster here. He can speak for me anytime since he does it so much better than I. But he's easy to understand, Stinky requires some effort but once you get past thru the (intentional) gobbledy-gook he is quite profound.

(05-28-2019 02:39 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I learned some fascinating things to. Thanks JRsec. You’re a good read on this little spot. I only wish those that don’t read or post more than a couple of broken sentences would take the time.

Hey now, dont go getting all... would you look at that bird! I can't seem. To understand is difficult.

Seriously though, when I first stumbled on this place I was writing tomes. It didn't take long to realize I was putting people to sleep IF they even bothered reading. I'm just not that engaging nor am I articulate enough to capture peoples attention for long. I like making my points now with as little mental effort as it takes. #drivebypostingisfun

(05-29-2019 11:47 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 04:28 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 04:01 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I first learned Dr King was a serial adulterer when I saw the movie Selma.

This subject has occasionally surfaced in the media since at least the 1970s, and probably earlier than that.

In 1989, one of King’s closest friends and confidants, Rev. Ralph David Abernathy, published his memoirs titled “And the Walls Came Tumbling Down”. The book included a passage about Martin L. King’s final hours in Memphis TN, just before being murdered. Those who are interested can look it up for themselves but I’ll just say here that Abernathy’s book generated a huge controversy that was still raging when he died a few months later (natural causes) at age 64.

So revelations like this are honestly not “new”.

Quote:If the rest of this is true, 'they' will try to keep it buried forever.

That is probably true. But I’ll point out that for about 20-25 years after their deaths, John F. Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy were spoken of in the same tones of hushed-reverence and deification that Martin King is spoken about, today. Over time, these things do change when the evidence keeps piling up.

The difference between the Kennedys and MLK is that MLK left a lasting legacy of peace and promise for the future.

The Kennedys left us the Bay of Pigs and war in Vietnam. They also instigated the Cuban Missile Crisis for domestic political reasons, putting the US closer to nuclear war than at any point in history. To put it bluntly, JFK was the most radical warmonger President in American history.

And the ridiculous,“Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country." Here's what Milton Friedman had to say about that:
"Neither half of the statement expresses a relation between the citizen and his government that is worthy of the ideals of free men in a free society. The paternalistic “what your country can do for you” implies that government is the patron, the citizen the ward, a view that is at odds with the free man’s belief in his own responsibility for his own destiny. The organismic, “what you can do for your ‘country” implies the government is the master or the deity, the citizen, the servant or the votary. To the free man, the country is the collection of individuals who compose it, not something over and above them. He is proud of a common heritage and loyal to common traditions. But he regards government as a means, an instrumentality, neither a grantor of favors and gifts, nor a master or god to be blindly worshipped and served."

Interesting take from Friedman. I'd never considered any of that.

Thanks guys, but the summation I should have made is this one:

The left has been very active since 1917 to try to make the world a place about differences rather than what we hold in common. Our founding fathers didn't want their images on the coins like the King of England did. They knew that people weren't perfect and personalities were an easy target for those who wanted to sew division and discord.

If we returned to having all of our official currency and coinage depict our ideals, and had our politicians discuss our beliefs and ideals much of the divisiveness we experience every day today would simply vanish. Everyone can buy into an ideal without seeing a race, or gender issue, because an ideal has no race or gender. "E Pluribus Unum" is on our coins because it means "Out of Many One". But when the coins have divisive human leaders on them then it doesn't mean quite the same thing as when our symbols express our ideals.

It is our ideals that our enemies have striven so hard to tear down. They know if it is about a person or party that division is much easier to create and discord much easier to use to foment rebellion or insurrection.

Right now we spend all of our time trying to create another new minority holiday instead of holidays to celebrate national accomplishments. The pictures on coins are no different. It wasn't as much of a deal to have it on currency because currency was routinely destroyed and replaced. But coins last a long long time.

So it's no accident that the dead heads replaced symbols of our ideals at exactly the time communism was on the rise and have remained amid our neo-socialist movement which is posing as progressive.

And folks, it's no accident that our nation' flag continues to be under attack by the left. It is another symbol of ideals which has united people without race or gender concerns. We are all Americans and should be Americans first and subculture second.

(05-29-2019 11:47 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 04:28 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-26-2019 04:01 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I first learned Dr King was a serial adulterer when I saw the movie Selma.

This subject has occasionally surfaced in the media since at least the 1970s, and probably earlier than that.

In 1989, one of King’s closest friends and confidants, Rev. Ralph David Abernathy, published his memoirs titled “And the Walls Came Tumbling Down”. The book included a passage about Martin L. King’s final hours in Memphis TN, just before being murdered. Those who are interested can look it up for themselves but I’ll just say here that Abernathy’s book generated a huge controversy that was still raging when he died a few months later (natural causes) at age 64.

So revelations like this are honestly not “new”.

Quote:If the rest of this is true, 'they' will try to keep it buried forever.

That is probably true. But I’ll point out that for about 20-25 years after their deaths, John F. Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy were spoken of in the same tones of hushed-reverence and deification that Martin King is spoken about, today. Over time, these things do change when the evidence keeps piling up.

The difference between the Kennedys and MLK is that MLK left a lasting legacy of peace and promise for the future.

The Kennedys left us the Bay of Pigs and war in Vietnam. They also instigated the Cuban Missile Crisis for domestic political reasons, putting the US closer to nuclear war than at any point in history. To put it bluntly, JFK was the most radical warmonger President in American history.

And the ridiculous,“Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country." Here's what Milton Friedman had to say about that:
"Neither half of the statement expresses a relation between the citizen and his government that is worthy of the ideals of free men in a free society. The paternalistic “what your country can do for you” implies that government is the patron, the citizen the ward, a view that is at odds with the free man’s belief in his own responsibility for his own destiny. The organismic, “what you can do for your ‘country” implies the government is the master or the deity, the citizen, the servant or the votary. To the free man, the country is the collection of individuals who compose it, not something over and above them. He is proud of a common heritage and loyal to common traditions. But he regards government as a means, an instrumentality, neither a grantor of favors and gifts, nor a master or god to be blindly worshipped and served."

JFK is an example of what you get when you put someone too young and inexperienced in the White House. Especially someone who surrounds himself too closely with people he knew before (like brothers). Carter wasn't young and inexperienced, but he surrounded himself with his Georgia IBM mafia. Obama wasn't as young as JFK, but even more inexperienced.

That people are taking Mayor Pete and Hit n run Beto seriously is disturbing.